THIS IS A SIMPLE DEBATE LOL IF WE BAN HIGH POWER GUNS DO WE THINK THE PROBLEM WILL GO AWAY NO AND WHY THERE ARE NO LAWS FOR PEOPLE THAT LOVE TOO BREAK THEM LOL DO I THINK THE GENERAL PUBLIC NEEDS THESE HIGH POWER WEAPONS NO NOT AT ALL BUT IF A PERSON GOES BY THE GUN LAWS SHOULD BE ABLE TOO OWN CERTAIN GUNS YES BUT HONESTLY THE GENERAL PUBLIC DOESNT NEED A GUN THAT WILL SHOOT ALOT OF BULLETS VERY FAST NO LOL YOU NEED A HAND GUN OR A SHOT GUN TOO PROTECT YOUR HOME LOL YOU DONT NEED A M16 TOO GO HUNTING FOR A DEER BUT EITHER WAY THIS COUNTRY HAS A HUGE PROBLEM AND SOMETHING MUST BE DONE TOO TRY TOO GET GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF BAD PEOPLE PERIOD.
A burglar breaks into Larry Pratt's house and is confronted by an AR15, AMD 65, AK47, Browning shotgun, and 3 Browning 9mms, and he runs away. A burglar breaks into Piers Morgan's house and is confronted by a butter knife. He dies of laughter.
Thank you for all the work you do to keep us free Mr. Pratt. All the people in my community are happy for your support of gun rights thumbs up and subscribed to your channel!
Piers Morgan - "In 62 mass shootings, not one's ever been thwarted by a civilian" Larry Pratt - "Because if it's thwarted, it doesn't rise to the level of mass shooting" Piers Morgan - *changes subject* Come on, dude. You researched the material. lol
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a6m5 zero How about we just take away all guns so the shooter has nothing to shoot with?
Jesse Pinkman like that shooting in playpark in Glasgow ? The two teenagers that got shot in London ? Like how they took away all the drugs, yet drugs are big business.
Jesse Pinkman how ? They just will obtain them illegally like in Mexico.(they don’t follow the law.) It just makes the innocent easier target for the bad guys.
Piers Morgan go live in England where there are no guns rather than try to force gun control down our throats. The right to defend ourselves with guns is a God granted inalliable right and you nor anyone else has any right to take a God given right from Americans!
Everybody always tries going apples to apples with gun homicides between Britain and American yet conveniently ignore population size and other violent crimes and murders committed by other weapons.
Why is it that every time Piers asks Pratt a question, he won't let him answer it? He jumps in and talks over him when he feels the need, belittles Pratt with dumb questions, right in the middle of explanations like, "can you tell me the exact date that happened?" It seems like Pratt needs to be on a talk show thats willing to listen to the answers given before they try to talk down to him. Just saying...
General McCrystal failed to mention that most hunting rifle cartridges are nearly twice as powerful as the 5.56mm round. He also failed to mention that the 5.56mm has been plagued with controversy about it's stopping power. There have been complaints that it often fails to tumble and fragment on impact but instead just passes through the body leaving a tiny wound about the same diameter as a pencil.
It's funny when he shows the clip from last time and he shows Pratt calling him "morally obtuse" but Morgan omits the fact he called him a "incredibly stupid man".
Mr.Pratt is incredibly stupid unintelligent uneducated moron who doesn’t care about the American civilians. More guns in the community equals more gun crime. I live in Canada and our crime rate is much lower than America.
@@dmytrokopetskyy6981 Actually Canada is one of the most heavily armed countries in the world (in terms of civilian held firearms; 7th per capita). So really that isn't making a good argument for reducing the number of guns.
@@09rja Canada has an average 500 homocides a year. Which includes stabbings and gun murders. U.S has 11-12 thousand. So of course Canada is much safer than U.S and most people who own guns in Canada mainly use it for hunting, not to defend themselves.
@@dmytrokopetskyy6981 Well keep in mind Canada has about 40 million people and we have 300 million. But a lot of our murders are tied to the drug trade (or domestic stuff). And the notion we can change that with gun laws is absurd. We can change it by legalizing drugs (which I favor)......but domestic killing isn't going anywhere.
@@09rja true, but we are talking about mass shootings that have happened with a military style weapon. There is absolutely no reason for a civilian to have a military style weapon. Look at the mass shootings you guys had in 2012 sandy hook school and the movie theatre in Denver. In 2018 you have had 23 school shootings. In 2018 there have been more people who died in school shootings than soldiers who serve in rye military. So it tells me that in U.S it’s safer to serve in the army than for a child to go to school.
I just love how Pratt has a calm collected smile on his face.. I love the effect of it riling up Morgan even more. Morgan doesn't know how to handle someone like Pratt, except for trying to overrun him in a conversation, and even that doesn't work.
Jack Bruce Whats wrong with Jones, He is a die hard American patriot. He has his moments were he stretches it a bit. But hes got a big heart underneath.
What problem do you have with Piers? Is suggesting ideas to save more lives in America instead of them being gunned down in schools and other public places really a bad thing?
Collins LFC I personally dislike Piers because he is incredibly arrogant and resorts to abuse if anybody disagrees with his point of view. His questions and arguments are also really stupid sometimes.
"do you know how many citizens have stopped the mass shooters?" we're not aloud to. if a citizen hears a gun shot and is out of range he/she is supposed to flee. you are only aloud to shoot if your life is in immediate danger and if you can leave you are expected to. if you instead run towards the shooter to save other's lives and kill him to stop the mass killing, that is seen as vigilantism and that is illegal and they will send you to prison for saving lives. plus when the cops do show up they may mistake you for the threat instead and kill you even if the mass shooter is dead cause they were called about a shooting and you have a gun. if we are there we can do something, but if we are far enough to flee the law prohibits us from helping. no cop has ever said "hey, ccw holder. I need some back up. help me take this guy out." no, they would tell people to leave the area and if you stayed you'd risk being targeted by them.
The thing that stopped school shooting for a long time was armed security guards that were private citizens who just owned a firearm for the job. Detriot had this for a long time untill schools were made gun free zones: now you find it rather often that people will bring in handguns, knives, and what not into the building for what reason no buddy knows. My mother during her 16 year of teaching down in that pit of ruination had a full blown fire fight happen outside her school at one point, and she also get mased by the cops for breaking up a fight when the cops wouldn't do anything because it would have got bloody if she didn't step in with another teacher. SECURITY GAURDS ARMED WITH FIREARMS ARE A GOOD THING! You can look at the numbers here in the US and you find out over 90% of the murders that happen are not with a firearm. It is with knife, bluntforce object, and or other means because they are easier to conceal. For gang bangers bluntforce objects the perferable things because they are easier to get away with: one hard hit to head and the target now is bleeding from the brain an will die in 5 minutes no matter what because people are unaware a hit was just done.
Whether you agree or disagree with Mr. Pratt 17:42 is a moment of sheer BRILLIANCE! This man knows how to debate. I have never owned a gun nor even held one in my life. But I also do not want my right to one stripped of me just to provide me with "more security". I (surprisingly) happen to agree with most of what Mr. Pratt says. According to Piers, this means I'm going to go buy my first gun. I have NO intention of this. Putting words in the mouths of your guests and viewers is no way to debate.
All I know is that the reason we are not robbed out in the country where the sheriff goes off duty at 4 pm is the robbers know homeowners are armed and will kill intruders. What deterrent do the criminals have if not armed good guys? The criminals do not fear the law, do not fear the police, and only fear an armed citizen!
"The police arrive on the scene late, bring a body-bag collect the body and make a ´report´, when seconds count the police are miles away !" -Larry Pratt of Gun-Owners of America.
Look, I must say, whereas I do not agree with Mr. Morgan and his gun control views, I do respect them. I understand he has his views, and he is allowed to. But if somehow he looks at this comment, I wish he would listen when Mr. Pratt was discussing the cyclical argument and how mass shootings did not become mass shootings because civilians stopped them from happening. I wish Mr. Morgan would listen instead of cut him off
You are correct, I misread the article, it went UP for several years after the ban and then levelled off to a little less. 1995 - 70 Gun Related Homicides, 1996 - 49 GRH, 1997 - 59 GRH, then they changed the frame of time, say spring of year x to spring of year y. 2010/11 - 58 GRH Let me rephrase "Why doesn't Piers ever mention that there has been little to no noticeable reduction of firearm related homicides?"
I grew up in a country where we have one of the strictest gun laws in the world, I NEVER had to fear an invasion. You are allowed to have A gun for self defense or for hunting but to get that you have to go through a proper training which is absolutely not the case in the US! I don't think we had ANY mass shootings ever, I always felt safe and this subject matter was never an issue and quite frankly I do not see why this is so complicated to understand for you people of America!
It should be noted that Generals are no where near the line and resemble politicians more than they do warfighters. Furthermore, most soldiers, NCOs, and Officers would disagree with the General.
I didn't get that General's comments at all. There are numerous weapons of higher caliber and similar velocities as the AR-15 that have been available for more than 60 years.....if not longer. (Starting with the M-1.)
If the police can't be everywhere at once and they can't, plus you never know if or when you'll be the victim of a crime then who will protect you? All law bidding citizens have the right to defend themselves by any means.
The answer is simple: do not make gun free zones in gun saturated country. Instead reduce the total number of firearms, remove automatic and semi-automatic guns and introduce stringent background checks for every single gun.
did you hear about the 14 year old kid who defended his sister from intruders with an AR-15? Remember, 65 million responisble gun owners killed 0 people yesterday. in australia, since gun ban: armed robberies up 69%, assaults w/ guns up 28%, gun murders up 19%, home invasions up 21%. In Switzerland, citizens are required to have handguns and military style full auto rifles in their home on hand at all times and they have some of the lowest gun-crime rates in the world.
At 6:02, where is that chart from, what data did they gather, and what source did they use to come up with that information? I don't believe any marginal chart has validity without something even as simple as a watermark stating where the numbers come from. Edit: I'm not saying these numbers are inaccurate, but for the love of Cornell Law could you please cite your things?
2. How do you know it was obtained illegally? Private sales are not subject to background checks or weapon registration. He could have bought it legally from any one of the millions of so called responsible gun owners and law abiding citizens in the US. No laws would have been broken by him obtaining it from one of these private citizens. And this is the floor in the logic of people who say that criminals buy illegal weapons. They are ALL legally sold weapons until used in a crime.
Examples of non gun-free mass shootings: Nov 2009: Fort Hood, TX. 43 Shot. 13 Killed Jan 2011: Tuscon, AZ - 19 shot including Gabby Giffords. 6 dead. Apr 2012: Tulsa, OK - Jake England killed 5 black men on the street. Sept 2011: Carson City, NV - 12 people shot at an IHOP including 3 National Guardsmen. 5 dead. Dec 2007: Omaha, NE - 9 dead and 4 wounded at Department Store by a 19 year old who took his stepfather's assault rifle. Oct 2011: Orange County, CA - 8 shot and killed in a Hair Salon.
Fort Hood military base area was a "gun free zone" on the base. Florida school shooter appears to have just walked out with other school kids. The shooter at Texas church was taken out by an armed NRA member as soon as left the gun free zone church area. In Norway where had disarmed basically everyone, including police, there was a shooting in 2011 of 77 kids and adults. More gun control and more laws won't stop determined people. The Aurora movie shooter chose the one theater in the area that was "gun free", btw. That wasn't a coincidence that he chose that particular theater. No one says "if everyone had been armed...". The suggestion is to not have "gun free" zones and allow trained individuals who are screened to have the right to carry. Texas has a Texas School Marshal program since 2013 that allows school districts to have armed teachers under strict rules. No outrage in Texas over this that is already in place! Why argue so much about not allowing other states to implement a similar program? How many people killed by automobiles? Let's raise the driving age way above 16 years old. Why do we let 16 year olds drive cars?
I am not from Australia, I live in US. And one does not need to have a gun to have opinion about the effect of guns in the society. Anyone can have an opinion about anything. What is your point? You do not agree with Pratt about arming school teacher, you agree that he lied about UK murder rates, and yet you said he had "a ton of sense". This makes no sense to me.
My insurance policy is the knowledge that no one in the UK can own a gun legally unless it is extremely regulated the gun and person. And that no one can own something like and ar-15 or a Glock for example. Secondly I have a securely locked PVC door, that are built into houses as standard in the UK. These doors warp with impact and return to their previous form, so not even a police battering ram is capable of breaking through. Thirdly is door and window locks in conjunction with double glazed silicone reinforced windows. And finally a police force that is rated as one of the best in the world. I have never felt as safe as I do in Britain any where else in the world.
Apparently women are 83 times more likely to be assaulted with or threatened by a gun that is legally owned by their spouse/husband than they are to use a gun in self defense. Did you hear about that father last week that pointed an AK at his daughter for not getting straight A's on her report card? How would you decide who is and is not fit to own a killing machine?
I wish Larry Pratt had this discussion with someone more informed than Piers Morgan. Nothing productive came out of this besides the realization taht Piers Morgan is a sensationalist with no appetite for facts.
Piers. My wife and I are rifle and handgun owners. We are Americans. We are from Illinois...we have FOID cards. We legally own our guns. Because we have legal access to our guns we understand them and know how to properly use them thru practice.. We KNOW how to use them. We store them with with children in mind. We have become brilliant with them. We support the second amendment. We fully support Castle Doctrine. If anyone should invade our home to cause harm to us, we will stop you. Quickly and completely. No matter how much you would like to use statistics against me or my wife because of gun ownership. If you invade our home to cause us harm. You will not leave. You will never cause harm to us or any other. This is The Second Amendment in MY home. Peirs, in America we have one thing you will never understand in a gun free county. We can shoot back. Perfectly.
"State agriculture department spokesman Brian Long says a 12-gauge shotgun discharged while its owner unzipped its case for a law enforcement officer to check it at a security entrance." Figures that law enforcement had to be involved. Lesson to be learned here my friend. More guns = less crime. More government intervention = democide, whether directly or indirectly.
All the anti-gun debates focus on fear too. The whole debate, on both sides, is centralized around fear. "You're afraid of the worst, but in giving up rights to the government to prepare for it, your actually unwittingly contributing to oppressive government, and are indeed the problem." There just reworded that for you.
I like how at 0:51 the editor cut out when Piers called Pratt an "incredibly stupid man". Then acts like Pratt got "heated". Rhe way the media trys to demonize people is ridiculous.
If someone invaded Mr. Morgan's home with the intent of harming him, I believe he would wish he had a gun to defend himself. How can this man speak for Americans?
Pratt was referencing the -total- number of murders because Piers kept on falling back to the ideology that guns (by themselves) cause crime, when this was in fact massively untrue. The reason he mentioned it was that even WITH a gun ban in the UK, not only are gun-related deaths still happening (at a higher per capita than the US), but crime overall is HIGHER there, even with less guns. Pratt dodged the question, yes, but he gave an even better answer because of it.
Actually the differences in violent crime between the UK and the US are slim at best not to mention that according to many politicians in the UK crime their is MASSIVELY underreported.
He was hired away a year later by The Daily Mirror, where he served as editor until 2004; he was fired for publishing an expose´ of British soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners of war, using photos that later turned out to be fake. Once out of the newspaper business, Piers Morgan became a television personality, appearing as a judge on the talent shows America's Got Talent (2006) and Britain's Got Talent (2007, with Simon Cowell, launching interview shows in the U.K.
1) as I said before, higher penalties do not deter people. That is well documented. 2) good 3) what do you suggest should be the qualifications? should training be required? or just anyone of legal age with no record of mental health issues or criminal charges? Or should people who want to buy a gun have to take an actual mental health evaluation? If people are not actually evaluated for mental health issues, you are only relying on crazy people who know they are crazy enough to seek help.
1) The average number of deaths in a shooting stopped by a citizen is 2.5 it never rises to the point of a mass shooting. 2) Mcchrystal is wrong about the .223. Vets since Vietnam have complained about the lack of stopping power of the .223. I hand load for my .223 and even with the fastest and heaviest loads I've loaded up the .223 is the bare minimum I'd want for coyote hunting and is illegal for deer hunting in my state. Loads like the 30-06 or 7mm mag are truly devastating not the .223
Murders without guns don't matter. The only ones we care about are the ones done with guns. Right? Just trying to make sure I now what is morally reprehensible and what isn't.
Just wanted to add that subtracting 3.6 gun murder value from 4.8 of the total murder rate in US gives 1.2 value, which is the same as in UK. It makes perfect sense to me, considering that besides the difference in gun policies these two countries are not too dissimilar.
Murder is murder whether it is US or UK. What constitutes "violent crime" is different and very much depends on the legislation. To make comparisons one has to take a very careful look not to compare oranges with apples. In any event it is irrelevant because the discussion was not about poorely defined "violent crimes", it was about homicides.
There are approximately 45 murders committed in the United States every day. If you divide the total number of death as a result of murder and non-negligent manslaughter every year in the US, which is 17,034 according to the FBI, by 365 days, you arrive at roughly 45 a day. 30 of which are perpetrated with guns. 40% of guns sold in the US per year go through private sales and gun show loopholes. So at least 12 of those murders guns were probably bought legally, but unregistered or checked.
1) There is the assumption that all of those weapons are in the hands of citizens; not the government which "will not always be there". 2) The argument of justice through moderation works only if each of those guns were sufficient for defense of every person in America. 3) The word enough requires a judgment call, and most judgment calls are hard to make when you are miles away from their application...behind a desk in the relative safety of a studio.
I think Piers Morgan saying to someone, "You're no friend of mine" is one of the highest compliments you could receive.
THIS IS A SIMPLE DEBATE LOL IF WE BAN HIGH POWER GUNS DO WE THINK THE PROBLEM WILL GO AWAY NO AND WHY THERE ARE NO LAWS FOR PEOPLE THAT LOVE TOO BREAK THEM LOL DO I THINK THE GENERAL PUBLIC NEEDS THESE HIGH POWER WEAPONS NO NOT AT ALL BUT IF A PERSON GOES BY THE GUN LAWS SHOULD BE ABLE TOO OWN CERTAIN GUNS YES BUT HONESTLY THE GENERAL PUBLIC DOESNT NEED A GUN THAT WILL SHOOT ALOT OF BULLETS VERY FAST NO LOL YOU NEED A HAND GUN OR A SHOT GUN TOO PROTECT YOUR HOME LOL YOU DONT NEED A M16 TOO GO HUNTING FOR A DEER BUT EITHER WAY THIS COUNTRY HAS A HUGE PROBLEM AND SOMETHING MUST BE DONE TOO TRY TOO GET GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF BAD PEOPLE PERIOD.
gets destroyed
begins name calling
typical liberal
A burglar breaks into Larry Pratt's house and is confronted by an AR15, AMD 65, AK47, Browning shotgun, and 3 Browning 9mms, and he runs away. A burglar breaks into Piers Morgan's house and is confronted by a butter knife. He dies of laughter.
blood and silver Yeah, and also when Mr. Morgan confronts a robber with a XM307 ACSW....!
+Asap Terio ever heard the word called Sarcasm?????
prataksha gurung Sorry meant the original commenter
***** Funny because of how retarded the comment is
you stupid fuck, the burglar wouldn't have a gun
Nothing made me happier than hearing that Peirs Morgan lost his job
Thank you for all the work you do to keep us free Mr. Pratt. All the people in my community are happy for your support of gun rights thumbs up and subscribed to your channel!
Piers Morgan - "In 62 mass shootings, not one's ever been thwarted by a civilian"
Larry Pratt - "Because if it's thwarted, it doesn't rise to the level of mass shooting"
Piers Morgan - *changes subject*
Come on, dude. You researched the material. lol
a6m5 zero How about we just take away all guns so the shooter has nothing to shoot with?
Jesse Pinkman like that shooting in playpark in Glasgow ?
The two teenagers that got shot in London ?
Like how they took away all the drugs, yet drugs are big business.
Jesse Pinkman how ? They just will obtain them illegally like in Mexico.(they don’t follow the law.)
It just makes the innocent easier target for the bad guys.
@@kylethedalek Good point. If hundreds of tons of drugs get here illegally every year.....so will guns.
lmao Around 14:08 "You're from another planet Mr. Morgan, that's why you're having trouble in America." xD
Well Goodbye Pierce Morgan. Guess we know who won now:
Piers Morgan's CNN show to end amid mediocre ratings
Piers Morgan go live in England where there are no guns rather than try to force gun control down our throats. The right to defend ourselves with guns is a God granted inalliable right and you nor anyone else has any right to take a God given right from Americans!
Everybody always tries going apples to apples with gun homicides between Britain and American yet conveniently ignore population size and other violent crimes and murders committed by other weapons.
Robby Cutt like what though?
Why is it that every time Piers asks Pratt a question, he won't let him answer it? He jumps in and talks over him when he feels the need, belittles Pratt with dumb questions, right in the middle of explanations like, "can you tell me the exact date that happened?" It seems like Pratt needs to be on a talk show thats willing to listen to the answers given before they try to talk down to him. Just saying...
Piers has a narrative that he wants to send to his viewers, and gets upset when his supporting cast actors won't stick to his precious script.
Joining Gun Owners of America tomorrow morning. This was amazing. Need more of this!
General McCrystal failed to mention that most hunting rifle cartridges are nearly twice as powerful as the 5.56mm round.
He also failed to mention that the 5.56mm has been plagued with controversy about it's stopping power. There have been complaints that it often fails to tumble and fragment on impact but instead just passes through the body leaving a tiny wound about the same diameter as a pencil.
It's funny when he shows the clip from last time and he shows Pratt calling him "morally obtuse" but Morgan omits the fact he called him a "incredibly stupid man".
Mr.Pratt is incredibly stupid unintelligent uneducated moron who doesn’t care about the American civilians. More guns in the community equals more gun crime. I live in Canada and our crime rate is much lower than America.
@@dmytrokopetskyy6981 Actually Canada is one of the most heavily armed countries in the world (in terms of civilian held firearms; 7th per capita). So really that isn't making a good argument for reducing the number of guns.
@@09rja Canada has an average 500 homocides a year. Which includes stabbings and gun murders. U.S has 11-12 thousand. So of course Canada is much safer than U.S and most people who own guns in Canada mainly use it for hunting, not to defend themselves.
@@dmytrokopetskyy6981 Well keep in mind Canada has about 40 million people and we have 300 million. But a lot of our murders are tied to the drug trade (or domestic stuff). And the notion we can change that with gun laws is absurd. We can change it by legalizing drugs (which I favor)......but domestic killing isn't going anywhere.
@@09rja true, but we are talking about mass shootings that have happened with a military style weapon. There is absolutely no reason for a civilian to have a military style weapon. Look at the mass shootings you guys had in 2012 sandy hook school and the movie theatre in Denver. In 2018 you have had 23 school shootings. In 2018 there have been more people who died in school shootings than soldiers who serve in rye military. So it tells me that in U.S it’s safer to serve in the army than for a child to go to school.
I just love how Pratt has a calm collected smile on his face.. I love the effect of it riling up Morgan even more. Morgan doesn't know how to handle someone like Pratt, except for trying to overrun him in a conversation, and even that doesn't work.
I love how the clip they show from the last debate is right after Piers called Larry "an incredibly stupid man."
Go Larry Pratt he always keeps his composure
I need to know one thing from Piers. Where do the millions of criminals and thugs get all their semi-automatic weapons?
LOL at p morgan getting so mad at the newspaper comment lmfao
Larry Pratt is very good at debating he had piers name calling again
Lol Larry Pratt is a straight up OG!
I would have got up and left after piers said "we're a television show. You know that?"
Yeah Piers surprisingly owned him there after he made such a stupid comment about selling more newspapers.
+loot6 meaning, nobody watches his show
Larry Pratt's laugh is unforgettably priceless
GOD BLESS YOU MR PRATT!
As an American I really dislike Piers. I hope Piers does not represent most of the Brits ideology. Does he?
Gex no I'm happy to say he doesn't but I also hope people like alex jones don't represent Americans
Jack Bruce Whats wrong with Jones, He is a die hard American patriot. He has his moments were he stretches it a bit. But hes got a big heart underneath.
Gex No he doesn't, we can't stand the smug, self-righteous twat either!
What problem do you have with Piers? Is suggesting ideas to save more lives in America instead of them being gunned down in schools and other public places really a bad thing?
Collins LFC I personally dislike Piers because he is incredibly arrogant and resorts to abuse if anybody disagrees with his point of view. His questions and arguments are also really stupid sometimes.
I lived in England for 5 years and crime is bad.
Larry Pratt is a remarkably patient and intelligent speaker.
"do you know how many citizens have stopped the mass shooters?" we're not aloud to. if a citizen hears a gun shot and is out of range he/she is supposed to flee. you are only aloud to shoot if your life is in immediate danger and if you can leave you are expected to. if you instead run towards the shooter to save other's lives and kill him to stop the mass killing, that is seen as vigilantism and that is illegal and they will send you to prison for saving lives. plus when the cops do show up they may mistake you for the threat instead and kill you even if the mass shooter is dead cause they were called about a shooting and you have a gun. if we are there we can do something, but if we are far enough to flee the law prohibits us from helping. no cop has ever said "hey, ccw holder. I need some back up. help me take this guy out." no, they would tell people to leave the area and if you stayed you'd risk being targeted by them.
Just looked it up. Murders/homicides in England and Wales: 550 (39 of which were caused by a gun/firearm)
In the US: 11,101 gun related deaths in 2011
You know when Morgan loses. When he gets angry.
The thing that stopped school shooting for a long time was armed security guards that were private citizens who just owned a firearm for the job. Detriot had this for a long time untill schools were made gun free zones: now you find it rather often that people will bring in handguns, knives, and what not into the building for what reason no buddy knows. My mother during her 16 year of teaching down in that pit of ruination had a full blown fire fight happen outside her school at one point, and she also get mased by the cops for breaking up a fight when the cops wouldn't do anything because it would have got bloody if she didn't step in with another teacher. SECURITY GAURDS ARMED WITH FIREARMS ARE A GOOD THING!
You can look at the numbers here in the US and you find out over 90% of the murders that happen are not with a firearm. It is with knife, bluntforce object, and or other means because they are easier to conceal. For gang bangers bluntforce objects the perferable things because they are easier to get away with: one hard hit to head and the target now is bleeding from the brain an will die in 5 minutes no matter what because people are unaware a hit was just done.
Whether you agree or disagree with Mr. Pratt 17:42 is a moment of sheer BRILLIANCE! This man knows how to debate. I have never owned a gun nor even held one in my life. But I also do not want my right to one stripped of me just to provide me with "more security". I (surprisingly) happen to agree with most of what Mr. Pratt says. According to Piers, this means I'm going to go buy my first gun. I have NO intention of this. Putting words in the mouths of your guests and viewers is no way to debate.
Piers as always is dishonest.
All I know is that the reason we are not robbed out in the country where the sheriff goes off duty at 4 pm is the robbers know homeowners are armed and will kill intruders.
What deterrent do the criminals have if not armed good guys? The criminals do not fear the law, do not fear the police, and only fear an armed citizen!
Unless you are asked one question, then not allowed to finish before being asked another one....
"The police arrive on the scene late, bring a body-bag
collect the body and make a ´report´, when seconds
count the police are miles away !"
-Larry Pratt of Gun-Owners of America.
"your whistling passed the grave yard" priceless.
Pratt seems like a pretty calm guy considering he is the executive director of gun owners of America!
Piers got his ass handed to him.
Correction: The ONS 2012 "552" murder data is for England and Wales, still far less than US though.
Look, I must say, whereas I do not agree with Mr. Morgan and his gun control views, I do respect them. I understand he has his views, and he is allowed to. But if somehow he looks at this comment, I wish he would listen when Mr. Pratt was discussing the cyclical argument and how mass shootings did not become mass shootings because civilians stopped them from happening. I wish Mr. Morgan would listen instead of cut him off
Funny how Piers only cares about gun violence instead of violence in general.
You are correct, I misread the article, it went UP for several years after the ban and then levelled off to a little less. 1995 - 70 Gun Related Homicides, 1996 - 49 GRH, 1997 - 59 GRH, then they changed the frame of time, say spring of year x to spring of year y. 2010/11 - 58 GRH
Let me rephrase "Why doesn't Piers ever mention that there has been little to no noticeable reduction of firearm related homicides?"
I grew up in a country where we have one of the strictest gun laws in the world, I NEVER had to fear an invasion. You are allowed to have A gun for self defense or for hunting but to get that you have to go through a proper training which is absolutely not the case in the US! I don't think we had ANY mass shootings ever, I always felt safe and this subject matter was never an issue and quite frankly I do not see why this is so complicated to understand for you people of America!
When comparing different countries on murder, you must look at the number of overall people and the different racial, religious, and regional groups.
The UK violent crime rate is almost 4 times that of the U.S. UK has 2000 per 100,000 people while the U.S. has 429 per 100,000.
yes i saw that too, we agree now. we are ranked at 28th
It should be noted that Generals are no where near the line and resemble politicians more than they do warfighters.
Furthermore, most soldiers, NCOs, and Officers would disagree with the General.
I didn't get that General's comments at all. There are numerous weapons of higher caliber and similar velocities as the AR-15 that have been available for more than 60 years.....if not longer. (Starting with the M-1.)
It's not a question of fear, but simply being prepared. Don't conflate the two or mistake survival preparedness for fear.
If the police can't be everywhere at once and they can't, plus you never know if or when you'll be the victim of a crime then who will protect you? All law bidding citizens have the right to defend themselves by any means.
Piers looks defeated
The answer is simple: do not make gun free zones in gun saturated country. Instead reduce the total number of firearms, remove automatic and semi-automatic guns and introduce stringent background checks for every single gun.
Mr. Pratt is classy as hell. Very polite and soft spoken even when insulted by Morgan.
Would you provide a reference to the report(s) at the FBI website? - I cannot find it(them). - Thank you.
Italy has a homicide rate of 0.9 x 100000
USA has a homicide rate of 4.2 x 100000
And Italy has very strict gun control laws.
I wish piers would explain the term "assault weapon"
Not gun control people control period
did you hear about the 14 year old kid who defended his sister from intruders with an AR-15? Remember, 65 million responisble gun owners killed 0 people yesterday.
in australia, since gun ban: armed robberies up 69%, assaults w/ guns up 28%, gun murders up 19%, home invasions up 21%. In Switzerland, citizens are required to have handguns and military style full auto rifles in their home on hand at all times and they have some of the lowest gun-crime rates in the world.
People need to wake up, look at the real numbers. Look into it for yourself.
Piers didn't show the part when he called Pratt stupid lol. Funny hahaha
At 6:02, where is that chart from, what data did they gather, and what source did they use to come up with that information? I don't believe any marginal chart has validity without something even as simple as a watermark stating where the numbers come from.
Edit: I'm not saying these numbers are inaccurate, but for the love of Cornell Law could you please cite your things?
2. How do you know it was obtained illegally? Private sales are not subject to background checks or weapon registration. He could have bought it legally from any one of the millions of so called responsible gun owners and law abiding citizens in the US. No laws would have been broken by him obtaining it from one of these private citizens. And this is the floor in the logic of people who say that criminals buy illegal weapons. They are ALL legally sold weapons until used in a crime.
That's good stuff.
Examples of non gun-free mass shootings:
Nov 2009: Fort Hood, TX. 43 Shot. 13 Killed
Jan 2011: Tuscon, AZ - 19 shot including Gabby Giffords. 6 dead.
Apr 2012: Tulsa, OK - Jake England killed 5 black men on the street.
Sept 2011: Carson City, NV - 12 people shot at an IHOP including 3 National Guardsmen. 5 dead.
Dec 2007: Omaha, NE - 9 dead and 4 wounded at Department Store by a 19 year old who took his stepfather's assault rifle.
Oct 2011: Orange County, CA - 8 shot and killed in a Hair Salon.
More guns not less gun crime..... less total crime
Pratt's Laugh is friggin Hilarious xD
i dont know, that why i will look into it more
Fort Hood military base area was a "gun free zone" on the base. Florida school shooter appears to have just walked out with other school kids. The shooter at Texas church was taken out by an armed NRA member as soon as left the gun free zone church area. In Norway where had disarmed basically everyone, including police, there was a shooting in 2011 of 77 kids and adults. More gun control and more laws won't stop determined people. The Aurora movie shooter chose the one theater in the area that was "gun free", btw. That wasn't a coincidence that he chose that particular theater.
No one says "if everyone had been armed...". The suggestion is to not have "gun free" zones and allow trained individuals who are screened to have the right to carry. Texas has a Texas School Marshal program since 2013 that allows school districts to have armed teachers under strict rules. No outrage in Texas over this that is already in place! Why argue so much about not allowing other states to implement a similar program?
How many people killed by automobiles? Let's raise the driving age way above 16 years old. Why do we let 16 year olds drive cars?
Does Piers Morgan ever let anyone make their point without interrupting them
Fort Hood is gun free. They can't carry guns around most military base areas.
the violent crime rate is higher in the UK then it is in the US.
I am not from Australia, I live in US. And one does not need to have a gun to have opinion about the effect of guns in the society. Anyone can have an opinion about anything. What is your point? You do not agree with Pratt about arming school teacher, you agree that he lied about UK murder rates, and yet you said he had "a ton of sense". This makes no sense to me.
My insurance policy is the knowledge that no one in the UK can own a gun legally unless it is extremely regulated the gun and person. And that no one can own something like and ar-15 or a Glock for example. Secondly I have a securely locked PVC door, that are built into houses as standard in the UK. These doors warp with impact and return to their previous form, so not even a police battering ram is capable of breaking through. Thirdly is door and window locks in conjunction with double glazed silicone reinforced windows. And finally a police force that is rated as one of the best in the world. I have never felt as safe as I do in Britain any where else in the world.
Andy Morris well said! the obsession with guns they have over there is disturbing
I know. Why can't they just use knives like everyone else? The snobs.
Apparently women are 83 times more likely to be assaulted with or threatened by a gun that is legally owned by their spouse/husband than they are to use a gun in self defense.
Did you hear about that father last week that pointed an AK at his daughter for not getting straight A's on her report card?
How would you decide who is and is not fit to own a killing machine?
I wish Larry Pratt had this discussion with someone more informed than Piers Morgan. Nothing productive came out of this besides the realization taht Piers Morgan is a sensationalist with no appetite for facts.
How convenient that he skipped over the part where he called Larry stupid in his recap lol
Piers. My wife and I are rifle and handgun owners. We are Americans. We are from Illinois...we have FOID cards. We legally own our guns. Because we have legal access to our guns we understand them and know how to properly use them thru practice.. We KNOW how to use them. We store them with with children in mind. We have become brilliant with them. We support the second amendment. We fully support Castle Doctrine. If anyone should invade our home to cause harm to us, we will stop you. Quickly and completely. No matter how much you would like to use statistics against me or my wife because of gun ownership. If you invade our home to cause us harm. You will not leave. You will never cause harm to us or any other. This is The Second Amendment in MY home. Peirs, in America we have one thing you will never understand in a gun free county. We can shoot back. Perfectly.
"State agriculture department spokesman Brian Long says a 12-gauge shotgun discharged while its owner unzipped its case for a law enforcement officer to check it at a security entrance."
Figures that law enforcement had to be involved. Lesson to be learned here my friend. More guns = less crime. More government intervention = democide, whether directly or indirectly.
You couldn't start a car if the keys were in the keys were in the ignition.
i do respect and appreciate your opinion.
Pratt is a very, very skilled debater. My respects for him
All the anti-gun debates focus on fear too.
The whole debate, on both sides, is centralized around fear.
"You're afraid of the worst, but in giving up rights to the government to prepare for it, your actually unwittingly contributing to oppressive government, and are indeed the problem."
There just reworded that for you.
I like how at 0:51 the editor cut out when Piers called Pratt an "incredibly stupid man". Then acts like Pratt got "heated". Rhe way the media trys to demonize people is ridiculous.
Oh let me stoop to your level..."I know you are but what am I?"
If someone invaded Mr. Morgan's home with the intent of harming him, I believe he would wish he had a gun to defend himself. How can this man speak for Americans?
Pratt was referencing the -total- number of murders because Piers kept on falling back to the ideology that guns (by themselves) cause crime, when this was in fact massively untrue.
The reason he mentioned it was that even WITH a gun ban in the UK, not only are gun-related deaths still happening (at a higher per capita than the US), but crime overall is HIGHER there, even with less guns.
Pratt dodged the question, yes, but he gave an even better answer because of it.
Actually the differences in violent crime between the UK and the US are slim at best not to mention that according to many politicians in the UK crime their is MASSIVELY underreported.
The start of this interview is halarious
He was hired away a year later by The Daily Mirror, where he served as editor until 2004; he was fired for publishing an expose´ of British soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners of war, using photos that later turned out to be fake. Once out of the newspaper business, Piers Morgan became a television personality, appearing as a judge on the talent shows America's Got Talent (2006) and Britain's Got Talent (2007, with Simon Cowell, launching interview shows in the U.K.
1) as I said before, higher penalties do not deter people. That is well documented.
2) good
3) what do you suggest should be the qualifications? should training be required? or just anyone of legal age with no record of mental health issues or criminal charges? Or should people who want to buy a gun have to take an actual mental health evaluation? If people are not actually evaluated for mental health issues, you are only relying on crazy people who know they are crazy enough to seek help.
1) The average number of deaths in a shooting stopped by a citizen is 2.5 it never rises to the point of a mass shooting.
2) Mcchrystal is wrong about the .223. Vets since Vietnam have complained about the lack of stopping power of the .223. I hand load for my .223 and even with the fastest and heaviest loads I've loaded up the .223 is the bare minimum I'd want for coyote hunting and is illegal for deer hunting in my state. Loads like the 30-06 or 7mm mag are truly devastating not the .223
Murders without guns don't matter. The only ones we care about are the ones done with guns. Right? Just trying to make sure I now what is morally reprehensible and what isn't.
Just wanted to add that subtracting 3.6 gun murder value from 4.8 of the total murder rate in US gives 1.2 value, which is the same as in UK. It makes perfect sense to me, considering that besides the difference in gun policies these two countries are not too dissimilar.
Hell yeah. I moved to Texas. I love it here.
Welcome home.
Once again, there is no evidence to support the claim that assault rifles need to be banned
You go Larry Pratt.
Larry Pratt for president!
It's important to those who care.
I didn't say he wasn't incorrect on some points. But what he says regarding the right to arms makes more sense than Piers.
Murder is murder whether it is US or UK. What constitutes "violent crime" is different and very much depends on the legislation. To make comparisons one has to take a very careful look not to compare oranges with apples. In any event it is irrelevant because the discussion was not about poorely defined "violent crimes", it was about homicides.
There are approximately 45 murders committed in the United States every day. If you divide the total number of death as a result of murder and non-negligent manslaughter every year in the US, which is 17,034 according to the FBI, by 365 days, you arrive at roughly 45 a day. 30 of which are perpetrated with guns.
40% of guns sold in the US per year go through private sales and gun show loopholes. So at least 12 of those murders guns were probably bought legally, but unregistered or checked.
1) There is the assumption that all of those weapons are in the hands of citizens; not the government which "will not always be there". 2) The argument of justice through moderation works only if each of those guns were sufficient for defense of every person in America. 3) The word enough requires a judgment call, and most judgment calls are hard to make when you are miles away from their application...behind a desk in the relative safety of a studio.