How do you approach a problem? | J. Krishnamurti
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How do you approach a problem? | J. Krishnamurti
Extract from the first seminar at Brockwood Park, 1978.
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His graceful annoyance is understandable and encourages self enquiry, not dependance 😊❤
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His point seems to be that we think we approach problems with an open mind, but we don't. When it's truly open, here defined as free from opinion, knowledge and fear, there is no problem. This is a very binary way of explaining it. I like a more fuzzy approach.. Minds aren't open or not open, whatever the definition of it. Nothing is ever black or white. They fluctuate along a spectrum of opposites.. Nothing is absolute, nothing is certain. No viewpoint is truly fixed.
Let me give it a go...
The thing that seems to make spiritual thinking about problems problematic is that both the narrow and broad viewpoints are true simultaneously.
Yes, any problem I see, I made myself by caring about a situation. But to deny the problem, to deny the caring is to deny the self, which is an observable entity. Yes, all entities are an illusion, including the self. But so is perspective, it's an illusion and it still helps an individual to avoid bruises. But bruises are alright, part of the process of healing, unless you are stuck on the idea of being non-bruised..
We are just going to flipflop eternally.. since both viewpoints are true. And this is not allowed in human logic. Even spiritual logic..
So I suggest a different approach than binary logic. A simple change in mindset. Stepping out of the victim role.
Look at problems as a luxury item. Like a crossword puzzle.. A lot has to happen in your brain to experience a problem, to give yourself this engaging puzzle. And you did all that, maybe not on a conscious level, but quite obviously you..
It may not solve the problem, but it might make working on it enjoyable.
A simple example..
If I find I have a hole in my socks, I might construct a problem through the social convention of fashion or poverty, also through the simple fear of being cold. But obtaining thread and needle or new socks can be quite an enjoyable quest as long as there is not a pressing need to finnish it. If I experience a pressing need, I can examine the fear of not confirming to fashion, maybe being alone or rudiculed or the fear of cold, sickness, dying etc and dissolve the problem by examining the fears until they dissappear. This is the point K is making any examined fear either turns out to be fear of fear or just dissappears when observed directly.
So if you find yourself no longer enjoying solving a problem, realise enjoying it is an option and realise dissolving it is. Then you have three options, enjoy it, don't enjoy it and be a victim, dissolve it.
You might be stuck on a right solution..
Any "right" way to do anything is probably better thrown out the window. Problems that have a "right" solution aren't usually a lot of fun to solve, they stifle creative expression. Unless ofcourse you are very anxious and the illusion of creating order calms you down. Then it can be enjoyable to have a right solution. But you might be better served examining the anxiety. Unless you enjoy being anxious and the illusion of order. Which is less rare, than you'd think.
At the end, K seems to be stuck in his own perpetual problem of not being able to make people see clearly and annoyance arises. This is because he believes at that moment there was a 'right' way to approach life and others did not see it. His temporary attachment to this idea causes annoyance to arise to a degree that compassion is slightly hindered.
Or it may be an upaya to Finnish a lesson which could have gone on indefinitely.. but we need to be careful not to elevate teachers in order to make ourselves feel good for being in their presence.
A buddha is not free from problems and suffering, she is just able to dissolve all problems and suffering, but the moment she does that for all problems, she stops manifesting as a human being. Why eat if hunger is just a feeling, why treat wounds if pain is just a warning signal of the inevitable? This is why all Buddhas that stuck around for a while had a little flaw.. they chose this 'flaw' to be boddhisattvas.. I see clear inability to get his point across and annoyance at his public for being so dim-witted. For a moment being tired of his self made problem.. sighing like a victim.. He handles his annoyance more gracefully than most, because he knows it is ultimately transient and self made. He chooses to experience his annoyance, own it and feels no need to project it out and punish his audience. This is the approach of someone who knows bliss is just around the corner at any time.
It took 15 minutes to read this comment and it was worth it. You have explained way better than video.Thanks
@@HarshGupta-tj8qeI am wondering how many hours it took him to write this?
I really appreciate your comment. Thank you.
I really appreciate your comment. Thank you.
The value of a teacher has nothing to do with what he has to teach but the understanding of his students that follow..
Confused students = poor teaching (not content)
Pure compassion in JK’s voice. Incredible
Wow 👏 what a great thinker. If there's no thoight of past or future, then there's no fear at all
How many hours a day you live that way?
I think Jiddu was tired. Trying to explain the finer points. That you are the creators of your existence, not the other way around.
1:55 from a solution based perspective and a desire to solve the problem rather than attempting to assign blame or minimize or avoidance or just wallering in your misery.
For me this looks like owning my part of it even when it's a problem caused by another or an act of God because I almost always have a role to play even if it's just enabling or putting myself in a position to wear other people's problems become my own
The person approaching a problem is the problem. Unless an individual awakens to his/her individuality, he/she will forever live in the misery of a divided existence.
How so? There's all kinds of problems, lets say you have a problem with a car, maybe someone broke it during the night. 🤷 The problem exists the whole night, (you are not it) and in the morning you come to the car and find out about it. The problem existed before you knew about it and now it keeps existing, but inside of you suddenly.
You don't have to let it touch you, you can walk away, or you can freak out, or you can use your skill to repair it fearlessly etc etc.
You can be very well awaken but if you gotta take your kids to school asap, what's it good for??
And there's your situation - what is your approach to it - is what Krishnamurti was asking, wasn't he?
Do I approach it with fear from my previous experiences or not?
I say the fear is helpful there and you should be glad for it.
If you wasn't afraid your kids won't make it to the school in time, you wouldn't a responsible parent. 😊😊😊
I don't think your sentence applies, then.
There is no problem, until a consciousness creates it. Hallucinates it. Trying to fix it is where suffering comes from, but also flow and happiness. Awakening is optional to happiness and true awakening may bring bliss, acceptance, but never happiness.. There can be nothing, not happiness, not even compassion without the illusion of dividing into two, self/non self, opposites, qualia etc, the illusion of seperation. True awakening dissolves everything.
The Conscious state 'Sees' the Situation ....As it IS.
The 'Person ' converts the Situation into a Problem ( to Do something about it)
@felixmoyoedomonmi, yes, i agree, also Krishnamurti is the real deal, i don't see any fraudulence in his behaviour but, that is just me, myself and i, maybe i am wrong but believe not...
His graceful annoyance is a wake up call to us to do self enquiry 😊❤
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Grazie
It is in the mind of a person with the problem and when he realises the truth there is a solution.
I approach a problem with an outcome in mind.
I then imagine the steps to take towards the outcome I desire.
I may change and adjust the steps in my mind many times to determine the best steps and method/s at my disposal and capabilities.
After taking the time to work through my thoughts, I then begin the problem solving.
Without taking the time to work it out in my thoughts, nothing goes as I would have liked.
If no time is given to a thought process, this is when training and knowledge would kick in.
With no training or knowledge and no time for a thought process, most people will go into a panic mode.
I have problem because of my character &body& being in society &and all other things, now i look at it and think about solution and apply on it that's it,if it works my ego feels reward or if it not works i feel unpleasant and do the same method again, if i feel i can't solve it i seek some one help. I don't know what he wants from normal regular people, or I don't get is view😢
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Through timing and distance. All things contained within space-time. To approach it in 2-D, which is thought, cannot resonate as completely as the power of observation does. Observation? But observation is nothing! Just sitting there looking at nothing! Well, we have scientific proof that observation affects the observed. One say that the observer is the observed. And that ultimately, the problem was the belief that the observer was not the observed.
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Human beings approach a human problem with a form of movement. Our eyes, ears, skin, mood, emotion, and feelings of space around our bodies us allow to perceive the space(energy) of other beings and objects that surround us. When we encounter a problem, it generates a movement in ourselves that makes a unique cluster of movement in every individual depending on past events, present circumstances, or future expectations. Now how those movements operate in oneself, is for the individual to find out for themselves, because once we figure out those movements, and become aware of them, then we can control those movements and as a consequence, we can change the narrative of our past, present and future. We can choose to ignore a problem if it can be ignored.
The approach is to change the external language in order have new internal dialogue and insight. When you look at a PROBLEM you begin to PROBLAME yourself. Instead see it as a prosolve in which a solution becomes the approach.
Please provide link for full video.
Approach, pull over...
The idea of getting closer to a problem is the act of bringing it closer. Usually with an intention and affinity. It is unlikely that you will approach the relationship problems of an acquaintance without you having an affinity, or a social problem in your society that you do not identify with.
The ideas discussed in the video of identifying with problems, as well as realizing that you can solve them or having an intuition that they are yours it's the next phase. Before this getting to the problem, we approach it motivated by identity and self-expression, comfort or discomfort, familiarity or even social validation.
1) you're part of the problem.
2) approach using first principles, without prejudices, freely.
Through me.
How does one approach a problem? Being aware of it
A problem must be understood before being answered
I’m not any wiser after thinking about this. Is that me?
teacher is there to teach
I
I is study
It can't we
It can't we I
Tarakam(Student)
The crowd in the room is fearful😅
Sin duda él superaba a psiquiatras y psicologos con algo más simple que era percibir el hecho tal cual es sin que el ego osea la memoria psicológica interfiera en esta observación para así no haya una repetición de un ciclo de no solucion de un problema
does a solution can be called a solution If it contains same problem which it has solved ?
Non judgemental... approach the person.
K really had it in the end 😂😂😂
Lovely man, has helped me tremendously.
Of course it's possible to approach a problem without the past rememberance, but this kind of approach doesn't come about with discussion and debates and not with philosophy.
Just aknowldege that we are awareness. Our core being is prior to any recording of the mind as knowledge, memories etc...
By being present and not caught up in thought, we live every moment of our life spontaneously and totally free of the accumulated knowledge in the brain.
Of course we are capable of looking into thoughts when it's needed to plan, solve a problem or apply skills we've learned.
We just do think when it's absolutely necessary, free of drama of psychological time.
Psychological time means, worrying about future hypothetical events and plans and resentment about past events, mistakes, failures etc....This kind of thinking is painful, useless and brings misery and suffering without solving anything.
We stop entirely psychological time by letting go, accepting what has been done, accepting ourself and the fact that we don;t have control over life.
Surrendering to the flow of life, with self awareness, in order to be totally honest that we live rightfully without violence and that is OK to not have it always as we want it or be wrong or fail sometimes. Either way we learn from any expereincea and also we use thought constructively.
Mr.JK asked a simple question but unfortunately noone understood.... because they can't approach it
Let's say there's a problem
2 + 2 = ?
In his context Mr. JK is asking how will u solve it ....
It's very simple... We know that 2 and 2 things make together 4 things.... '4' represents the no. of total things left here
JK didn't ask how will u realise the problem that it's a problem or not? :~⁹
How selfish of him to ask such a wobbly, annoying question!!.. this is rare footage of the speaker laying a deliberate trap. Those who know, know what I mean. What struck me though is the cheek of the man to trick the audience like this.. he's not humble at all.
My opinion = he didn't know himself and his ego followed him to the stage that morning and jumped out lol
Asking myself how can solve it and optimise the quality of the solution 🙏🤍🎯😇