As much as I wish he had way more screentime, I actually enjoy that we get limited scenes of him because it at least expands his evil arc instead of just fixing his problems in one season.
I really like how they're taking their time with Jay and all the mystery surrounding him. It appears that he might have a bigger role next season, which is exciting, specially with his whole new identity. I hope they find a way to restore his memories and merge it with who he is now.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING A VIDEO ABOUT JAY! I totally agree with you here, exploring other aspects of his character was very needed, and I can't wait to see what they do next. Great video!!!
after being treated like a joke in the 11 minute episode era, jay deserves this. hopefully it will make people realize that he is more than just "the funny one".
For the first season, I didn't mind Jay's absence, because most of the Ninja were lost and they were found one at the time, when season 1 ended and Jay was still lost, i was like, okay, they didn't have time to develop the stories they wanted to tell and reintroduce Jay, that's okay, then season 2 part 1 ended, and I started to get frustrated, I was like, okay, so I guess he's not back just yet, when season 2 part 2 came out and he was only in ONE episode, I was starting to lose my patience I'm telling you, if the first frame of the first episode of season 3 doesn't have Jay in it, I'm gonna lose it
Great vid! You made some great points, also I really hope he gets some development for himself as most of his development revolves around his relationship with Nya ( no hate I love Jaya and they are really adorable) but this is so frequent that his relationship with the other ninja and his parents feel so strained, he basically became Jaya. I hope he gets more development in the future ( he was kind of a jerk in the 11 min era) I hate that they made him a scary cat in those seasons sure he was nervous and all but he was still extremely brave like a guy who could take on torture would act like that? and also his time in the administration because I found that place interesting and also very dark. Anyway I would love to hear your thoughts about it💕💕
Thanks for your comment! I definitely agree that too much of his character has just been boiled down to being Nya's boyfriend, so I'm really excited that they are straying away from that a bit more, or at least adding a level of angst to it haha.
Thankyou for talking about his flanderization, I hope the show fix his him being more than the 'comic relif' and 'nya's yang' and bring back his inventing side and I really hope they don't make him "the weak one" again and show more likeable aspects of his character, great video❤️😊
Good to have you back - it's been worth while the wait - yes I agree Jay's storyline in Dragons Rising has been great so far. The way he's lost and confused, only to be found by someone like Ras who manipulates and uses him instead of his family, is a really fascinating idea - and when he says to Nya, the love of his life, that he will always hate her, it breaks my heart. I think his goodness can be fixed, using Shatterspin - it's said to not destroy someone's goodness but shatter it, and shattered things can be put back together, but year I'm also very excited to see where his story goes next. Something you just made my think about: do the other Ninjas besides Nya even know Jay is adopted, has he told them that he was adopted since Sky bound was a waste?
@lasseehrenreich5502 Interesting point about shatterspin! Honestly I don’t think anyone except probably Nya knows because I do remember Jay offhandedly mentioning it to the group in skybound so if Nya still remembers everything she should remember that
I honestly wouldn’t mind if Jay has permanent memory loss and the whole team has to cope with it and the dynamic that would play on Jay and Nya’s relationship would be interesting, trust issues, regret of what he did but moments he’s still confused of what’s real or not and if the rest of the ninja are telling him the truth
Another thing you forgot to mention Another reason why it was so devastating to Nya because in the Bloodmoon Arc when they were in the cave, Nya is the one to break the illusions of fear. Her fear was Jay forgetting her and she said he'd never forget her. Also Jay was shown to be a capable fighter in the opener of S7, he didn't hesitate with Acronix I also recall some were saying Evil Jay is like Oni Lloyd. Crusty783 explains it better on why it's not like Oni Lloyd but I agree with you and him that it works better for his character
I really enjoyed this video and for the longest time I've been wanting a video about my personal favourite character, Jay, about how he is portrayed in Dragons Rising and having a nice calm voice with the good background music and overall good editing is just really nice. I've noticed you're a relatively small creator but honestly kinda better than most channels I see nowadays. Anyways great video and keep up the great content! I subscribed btw.
You know what, I feel like I’m the only person that sees the parallel similarities between jay/rogue and Bucky Barnes/winter soldier. Both used to be noble heroes fighting alongside their friends but were ultimately captured by their enemies, brainwashed, and forced to fight the same people they once called friends. If jay does end up having an arc similar to Bucky Barnes from the second cap movie, it will be perfect for his character.
Thank you for an amazing material about Jay. After the 6th season (imo he was great there) there was nothing catchy and interesting about his character (maybe like few moments in the 13rd and 15rd seasons buut it`s sooo little in compare with others) and i`m really excited abt how he represented in Dragon Rising series. Like... he`s appeared only for 10 minutes but it was awesome. The directors masterfully white these scenes when Jay, even without memories, still resembles himself, but at the same time he still creates something completely unacceptable for himself from the past. Memory losing is the best idea to build something new and then add his past memories to get a great character development. Can`t wait for the 3rd season and see how it will turn out. P.s. English isn`t my first language sorry((
@@jjohnson2445nope, the place suits Cole more actually cuz the common thing with all of these junk on the land is they all are forgotten, like Cole in DoTD Also I doubt that Jay is the best person to be there cuz he isn’t Cole, you wouldn’t expect Jay to make a strong bond with a group of new ppl like Cole always does lol.
3:40 i think the reason the writers dont focus on the inventor side of Jay is because the team has enough of that with Pixal, Nya and now Sora. Ive seen some fans complaining about the team only having the role of an inventor and would want other roles (for example a team nurse) which is probably why they "removed" Jay from that role
@Ruben99677 no like, how tf he knows a good ninja is good at fighting? Ras must have said ninja are bad people or something not "if they're Ninjago they're good at fighting
@Ruben99677 no boi you aren't getting what I am saying. Why Ras will tell about Jay how bad the ninja are. Meanwhile with the "terrible ninja" line it seems like Jay knows what a ninja is (fyi in ninjargon "ninja" means protector)
Are his parents dead or something? It’d be pretty interesting to get something with that because he’s the only ninja that has a good relationship with their parents
er you talking about his biological parents or Ed and ednd ? i am guess you mean late and yes agree It will be interesting if they focus on them more on like er thye did they seems to be relatively old and quite a few years have passed since the original series maybe they could have a role in helping you get jay free from his corruption sorry if my English is bad
@@somerandomguy7325 Well, I think his biological dad is dead, but it isn’t confirmed if his biological mom is alive or not. I think diving into his relationship with his biological mom would be so cool. As for his adopted parents, Ed and Edna, I would love to have some sort of confirmation on what they’re up to and to see a scene of them and Jay now would be great. I’d love to see how they’d react to how he is now. I don’t see it happening, but it would be cool.
I completely agree with everything you said in this video for the longest time Jay was always my least favorite ninja I don’t hate him but for longest time the writers just didn’t want to give anything to him he’s just a comic relief, character and not a funny one but annoying one especially in 11 minute era he was just annoying and kind of insufferable at least to me but dragons rising has finally given jay a good story the fight scene between him and nya was peak and the voice acting too was great I was not a fan of high pitch voice so I’m very glad it got a little deeper and the callback to season 4 with them to grab a blade to win was a great I love what dragons rising is doing with Jay and can’t wait to more of him in season 3 I can’t believe I’m saying that, but I am
Well done! I actually didn't realize how the slivers of his screentime were kept short for a reason; the reintroduction point is great! The only thing I think should have been stressed more is the sheer scale or how unmasculine he is as a husband. For starters, psychologically, that should be wrecking Nya, and taking on a responsibility like engagement should be a maturing force; the miss to fix what a pansy he's been was horrid! And I wouldn't say Kai had an arc, he didn't really change this season, he just had excellent characterization and showed he's now a fully developed adult. Great vid!
Bro made a video longer than how much he’s been in the show-
Ok and?
As much as I wish he had way more screentime, I actually enjoy that we get limited scenes of him because it at least expands his evil arc instead of just fixing his problems in one season.
I really like how they're taking their time with Jay and all the mystery surrounding him. It appears that he might have a bigger role next season, which is exciting, specially with his whole new identity. I hope they find a way to restore his memories and merge it with who he is now.
I actually like how Jay was once an inventor
Same here
Who can forget his fanboying in the frist eposode of season 3 when Nya announce the school is doing a school trip to Borg industry
THANK YOU FOR MAKING A VIDEO ABOUT JAY! I totally agree with you here, exploring other aspects of his character was very needed, and I can't wait to see what they do next. Great video!!!
@@cricket_0289 Thank you!!
14:15 That’s a cool detail! I can’t believe I never noticed that
after being treated like a joke in the 11 minute episode era, jay deserves this. hopefully it will make people realize that he is more than just "the funny one".
Ur voice is so calming lol
Haha thank you, that's nice of you to say!
For the first season, I didn't mind Jay's absence, because most of the Ninja were lost and they were found one at the time, when season 1 ended and Jay was still lost, i was like, okay, they didn't have time to develop the stories they wanted to tell and reintroduce Jay, that's okay, then season 2 part 1 ended, and I started to get frustrated, I was like, okay, so I guess he's not back just yet, when season 2 part 2 came out and he was only in ONE episode, I was starting to lose my patience
I'm telling you, if the first frame of the first episode of season 3 doesn't have Jay in it, I'm gonna lose it
Great vid! You made some great points, also I really hope he gets some development for himself as most of his development revolves around his relationship with Nya ( no hate I love Jaya and they are really adorable) but this is so frequent that his relationship with the other ninja and his parents feel so strained, he basically became Jaya. I hope he gets more development in the future ( he was kind of a jerk in the 11 min era) I hate that they made him a scary cat in those seasons sure he was nervous and all but he was still extremely brave like a guy who could take on torture would act like that? and also his time in the administration because I found that place interesting and also very dark. Anyway I would love to hear your thoughts about it💕💕
Thanks for your comment! I definitely agree that too much of his character has just been boiled down to being Nya's boyfriend, so I'm really excited that they are straying away from that a bit more, or at least adding a level of angst to it haha.
I agree... I also admired his resilience in sky bound🖤💙
Thankyou for talking about his flanderization, I hope the show fix his him being more than the 'comic relif' and 'nya's yang' and bring back his inventing side and I really hope they don't make him "the weak one" again and show more likeable aspects of his character, great video❤️😊
Good to have you back - it's been worth while the wait - yes I agree Jay's storyline in Dragons Rising has been great so far. The way he's lost and confused, only to be found by someone like Ras who manipulates and uses him instead of his family, is a really fascinating idea - and when he says to Nya, the love of his life, that he will always hate her, it breaks my heart. I think his goodness can be fixed, using Shatterspin - it's said to not destroy someone's goodness but shatter it, and shattered things can be put back together, but year I'm also very excited to see where his story goes next. Something you just made my think about: do the other Ninjas besides Nya even know Jay is adopted, has he told them that he was adopted since Sky bound was a waste?
@lasseehrenreich5502 Interesting point about shatterspin! Honestly I don’t think anyone except probably Nya knows because I do remember Jay offhandedly mentioning it to the group in skybound so if Nya still remembers everything she should remember that
@@faithsnonsense Thank you, that's so nice of you❤
I honestly wouldn’t mind if Jay has permanent memory loss and the whole team has to cope with it and the dynamic that would play on Jay and Nya’s relationship would be interesting, trust issues, regret of what he did but moments he’s still confused of what’s real or not and if the rest of the ninja are telling him the truth
@@Pigeon-so9ye Honestly I think that’s the way they’re gonna go with this and I’m here for it
Another thing you forgot to mention
Another reason why it was so devastating to Nya because in the Bloodmoon Arc when they were in the cave, Nya is the one to break the illusions of fear. Her fear was Jay forgetting her and she said he'd never forget her.
Also Jay was shown to be a capable fighter in the opener of S7, he didn't hesitate with Acronix
I also recall some were saying Evil Jay is like Oni Lloyd. Crusty783 explains it better on why it's not like Oni Lloyd but I agree with you and him that it works better for his character
I really enjoyed this video and for the longest time I've been wanting a video about my personal favourite character, Jay, about how he is portrayed in Dragons Rising and having a nice calm voice with the good background music and overall good editing is just really nice. I've noticed you're a relatively small creator but honestly kinda better than most channels I see nowadays. Anyways great video and keep up the great content! I subscribed btw.
@sirjimothythe1st Thank you, I appreciate you saying that!
im so happy to finally fall in love with jay as a character again..
Amazing work I can tell you work hard on it.💜👍💯
You know what, I feel like I’m the only person that sees the parallel similarities between jay/rogue and Bucky Barnes/winter soldier. Both used to be noble heroes fighting alongside their friends but were ultimately captured by their enemies, brainwashed, and forced to fight the same people they once called friends. If jay does end up having an arc similar to Bucky Barnes from the second cap movie, it will be perfect for his character.
@@mduressa05 I never realized that, that’s such a cool comparison!
honestly I'm glad someone pointed it out❤
SHE'S BACK,YES!!🎉❤
@@ZeyadKhater-bf7yk HAHA THANKS 😂
Thank you for an amazing material about Jay. After the 6th season (imo he was great there) there was nothing catchy and interesting about his character (maybe like few moments in the 13rd and 15rd seasons buut it`s sooo little in compare with others) and i`m really excited abt how he represented in Dragon Rising series. Like... he`s appeared only for 10 minutes but it was awesome.
The directors masterfully white these scenes when Jay, even without memories, still resembles himself, but at the same time he still creates something completely unacceptable for himself from the past.
Memory losing is the best idea to build something new and then add his past memories to get a great character development. Can`t wait for the 3rd season and see how it will turn out.
P.s. English isn`t my first language sorry((
"His power was the only thing that was actually his post merge, the only remaining reminder about who he once was."
That was an EXCELLENT point.
It would be cool if u talked about Arin's character development and what he plans on doing with Ras, in a future video.
This video is so real great video 👏👏
@@nancyaide5207 Thank you!!
season 3 better have him though especially with the rumors of potential storyline for his character.
@@Jakiwaki7251 He’ll definitely show up
Whatever is next for Jay I'm sure it will be amazing
Drinking game:
Take a shot every time you say "Jay"
i don't think that would be safe😆
I fell off the series a long time ago, but it’s pretty cool they’re still doing interesting stuff with these characters!
Great video!!
I totally agree with everything you said!
Can’t wait to see his story to flesh out 🙂↕️🙂↕️
@@oin_czn Thank you!!
@@faithsnonsense jay should have ended up in the land of lost things it makes since he's a inventor
@@jjohnson2445nope, the place suits Cole more actually cuz the common thing with all of these junk on the land is they all are forgotten, like Cole in DoTD
Also I doubt that Jay is the best person to be there cuz he isn’t Cole, you wouldn’t expect Jay to make a strong bond with a group of new ppl like Cole always does lol.
YAY YOU UPLOADED🥳🥳
Great analysis of jay right now
3:40 i think the reason the writers dont focus on the inventor side of Jay is because the team has enough of that with Pixal, Nya and now Sora. Ive seen some fans complaining about the team only having the role of an inventor and would want other roles (for example a team nurse) which is probably why they "removed" Jay from that role
I can't believe jay believe ras instead of nya
15:14 wait a damn minute, why Jay knows what a "good ninja" is??
Because ras telled him
@Ruben99677 no like, how tf he knows a good ninja is good at fighting? Ras must have said ninja are bad people or something not "if they're Ninjago they're good at fighting
@supersipra3782 Jay literaly said that In one scene That Ras Telled him The ninja are manipulating him Just watch the episode again
@Ruben99677 no boi you aren't getting what I am saying. Why Ras will tell about Jay how bad the ninja are. Meanwhile with the "terrible ninja" line it seems like Jay knows what a ninja is (fyi in ninjargon "ninja" means protector)
@supersipra3782 Ras telled Bad things about The ninja That they would try to manipulate him not that they are bad Ninjas
Are his parents dead or something? It’d be pretty interesting to get something with that because he’s the only ninja that has a good relationship with their parents
er you talking about his biological parents or Ed and ednd ? i am guess you mean late and yes agree It will be interesting if they focus on them more on like er thye did they seems to be relatively old and quite a few years have passed since the original series maybe they could have a role in helping you get jay free from his corruption
sorry if my English is bad
@ Yeah his parents from the junkyard
@@somerandomguy7325 oh ok I agree with most of what you said
@@somerandomguy7325 Well, I think his biological dad is dead, but it isn’t confirmed if his biological mom is alive or not. I think diving into his relationship with his biological mom would be so cool. As for his adopted parents, Ed and Edna, I would love to have some sort of confirmation on what they’re up to and to see a scene of them and Jay now would be great. I’d love to see how they’d react to how he is now. I don’t see it happening, but it would be cool.
Guys we need jay back 😭
I wonder what he's going to do next season, especially with the leaks
You forgot to mention/explain about Jay's information in NDR Season 3...
@@RuneLightLovely Yeah I didn’t want to talk about anything we haven’t actually seen in the show yet
I think they did the MIB thing to Jay
Huh?
I completely agree with everything you said in this video for the longest time Jay was always my least favorite ninja I don’t hate him but for longest time the writers just didn’t want to give anything to him he’s just a comic relief, character and not a funny one but annoying one especially in 11 minute era he was just annoying and kind of insufferable at least to me but dragons rising has finally given jay a good story the fight scene between him and nya was peak and the voice acting too was great I was not a fan of high pitch voice so I’m very glad it got a little deeper and the callback to season 4 with them to grab a blade to win was a great I love what dragons rising is doing with Jay and can’t wait to more of him in season 3 I can’t believe I’m saying that, but I am
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@BoredTwo Thank you!!
@ Your welcome! :)
Jonsey ahh character
I like that The people Who want jay back Wanted him to come back from season 1 Dr And then they would complain That he has No characther development
Well done!
I actually didn't realize how the slivers of his screentime were kept short for a reason; the reintroduction point is great!
The only thing I think should have been stressed more is the sheer scale or how unmasculine he is as a husband.
For starters, psychologically, that should be wrecking Nya, and taking on a responsibility like engagement should be a maturing force; the miss to fix what a pansy he's been was horrid!
And I wouldn't say Kai had an arc, he didn't really change this season, he just had excellent characterization and showed he's now a fully developed adult.
Great vid!
They are not married.
@abrahammartin4695 I do say they're engaged not married, so you can see I know, I just make the mistake often😂
Unmasculine? What do you mean
Now the only one of the main 4 that hasent plaid villan is Coal.
when have kai been a villan ?
@lasseehrenreich5502Season 4 when he was holding Chen's staff
@@emantsrifemantsal2588 true but that was so shot that I feel it barely counts