Ram Is Recalling Nearly 1 MILLION Cummins Diesels - Here's How The Truck Performs BEFORE the Recall!
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Ford did something similar about a year ago. My truck lost about 1 MPG after the update and used more DEF. recently lost my emissions equipment in a boating accident.
Man those boat ramps sure are brutal. 😂
Lol hate when that happens
I hope the boat is ok?
If they find out, you're going to pay for an entire system or get your truck crushed. Aint worth deleting.
@ineedapharmists depending where you live, you will never be checked. And without asking, I bet he kept everything
Seriously when are you gonna follow up on this?
A dyno test before and after would be great, too.
Yes, the best comparison would be before and after tests on the same dyno.
Well....what about torque limiting. These trucks are garbage with the torque management. I dont know that you would even see a change. I have a 22 with the "little cummins"
Once upon a time I had a Ford 6.0....it was an 05 for the F6 trans and from a dig that truck would spank my 22....even though the Cummings is rated much higher.
The 0-60 on HO VS standard....is almost identical despite the HO having another 200 lb/ft and more HP.
I don't think you will even see this recall in daily commenting for performance. Living with the truck pulling a service trailer and a heavy bed service box you probably will....thst requires all the beans.
Tq management affects 1st-2nd I think maybe 3rd but the 1:1 ratio with 3:73 gears in ram is 4th gear think it would be fine on the dyno just lock it in 4th
@@wadebrewer7212it got spanked because you call it a Cummings.
@user-ln7of9gs4s my bad. I dont proof reed...its youtube and far from the most important thing in my life
I'm betting power loss and fuel economy loss after the recall....
And increased DEF usage lol
Reliability loss
DEF usage will drop as that's what's injected to control NOx. Fuel economy is DEFINITELY going to take a hit as it will need to run richer with more EGR to reduce combustion temps. Power may be ok as these engines have lots of tuning left on the table to compensate. And given it's not a bad as Volkswagen, it's probably not going to be as drastic. But what do I really know.
💯. … had semi truck go in for maintenance and get program updates… lower power settings, drank more fuel and was gutless
No power loss. This was discovered way back in 2019. The 2019s got the update years ago with recall VB6, the 2020+ already have the updated software from the factory and this includes the power increase in 2021. 2013-2018 are now getting it in the mail.
When is the video of after the recall going to come out?
I’m here looking for the answer to the same question.
Hey TFL - can you please do a dyno test before/after as well? That would likely be the most conclusive - Thanks for doing these tests!!
2019-2023 will not be recalled according to the EPA.
Kori @Pppei is doing testing and data collection before and after the recall with an emissions engineer to see the difference. They should be able to determine the problem as well as the result. This happens in February. Hopefully late Feb or early March we will know exactly transpired. So far, no one I’ve seen posted an impact
@@Dusdaddyis that new information? I haven’t received a notice….yet
@@stinkymcstinkerton1854 Nothing new, it's right on the EPA's website and repeated on the CARB website. Nobody said the 2019-2023 were getting recalled except the RUclipsrs. They even stated why, nothing to fix.
@@DusdaddyI looked it up after shortly after I posted . My first alert was from this channel. . I was relieved to read Gen 5 not included. I just got done dealing with stellantis on an ecodiesel. Gen 4. It’s wasn’t easy…
Odd they’re testing the 22
I would recommend everyone ignore the recall
Except, CARB states will require this recall for registration renewal. Although, the EPA will allow up to three years to take care of 85% of all these truck recalls.
What happened to Part 2? 🤷🏼♂️
If Cummins does a recall why do they not recall the heating plate bolt! Thank you for the video guys!
They did.
Relay was recalled for staying on and melting the bolt insulator. But the killer bolt and insulator is still there waiting to weaken from years of cycling. Wiggle test still applies.
Dyno the motor!
We don't want to see the recall. We want TFL Truck and every truck owner to Push Back, Too Say No, we're not going to take this this.. These Trucks we're certified as having met current emissions requirements at the time of their sale. They can't dictate a change years later too private vehicle's that have already met the requirements at time of sale. TFL should find a NOX emissions facility and do a before and after test. Because I think this is all about acquiring money for EPA/CARB. We have to Say No.
I have a question.
Who monitored the Testing and Truck used in the testing during the EPA test???
You expect Colorado liberals and Bay Area Californian Nathan to push back? Get a grip.
Great initial test guys! I had an emissions recall on my f250 and didn't see any changes after pcm flash. Hopefully it's the same for you!
Do you think Ford has been "cheating" too and trying to fix it before they get caught?
Why would you take it for this recall??? No one is saying you have to do it.
Because people are idiots
@TFL please find a friend shop to do a dyno test before and after. It would be very telling and make for great content
I had the ECM update done two weeks ago and the only noticeable difference is DEF usage did increase. Power, performance and mileage don’t appear to be affected at this time.
With it being a NOx related issue, your experience 100% makes sense. DEF is primarily used to reduce NOx emissions. With all of the big players using DEF, I would be curious if pre-update cummins trucks use less DEF than their Powerstroke or Duramax counterparts (same years).
@@edwardpeters4700i’m very curious about this too. I wonder if there’s a slightly dated video comparing DEF consumption between Duramax, power stroke and Cummins
For what it’s worth my 2020 duramax goes approximately 6k on a 2.5 gallon jug of def
You have an idea about how much? Our 15 ram 3500 cab and chassis uses about 2.5 gallons per 50 gallons of fuel. But its worked pretty hard.
@@stevenwescott1422 I just filled this past Friday, will see what the average is now.
Glad they haven’t given a date yet. Keeps my favorite TFL truck in the fleet longer.😊
I’m sure they’ll take it to the local dealer and will have the TFL truck in and out fast. They don’t want to be messing around with a company who has a huge RUclips and media presence. Everyone else, good luck to you.
Anxious to see part 2, gents. 🙂
They didn’t do it, because nothing changed.
Any new updates on part 2 after the recall guys?
You guys are really milking the content from this whole “situation”. I’m done with this channel. Adios
I really like your testing procedures, my only thing is I would like to have seen the towing and empty mpg loops been the same loop. Not that it would really effect anything just more of a personal preference. The only other thing I could think of for testing would be to see if you could book a Dyno appointment and get real world horsepower and torque numbers before and after recall. That being said I love the persision and care yall are taking in doing the before and after testing
I work at a dodge dealer. The recall is a 67A and its been out since November
Only for 2013-2018. 2019 had VB6 and 2020+ came with the update from the factory.
for 2013-2021 or all engines to 2024?
Question. Why is Ram issuing this for so many trucks when the EPA says only certain 2019 trucks and 2013-2015 trucks that didn't receive S87 needs it.
And for trucks that receive 67A without being on the EPA list, do they still get the extended warranty?
If you have no idea when your truck will be repaired due to recall. Why are you testing now, conditions will most likely be completely different when the time comes for your recall? Could be when fuel type changes take place, temperatures and weather conditions are different invalidating this testing.
Because they're not very smart. I'll bet Roman sells the truck before he gets the recall notice. He ain't gonna keep it until January 2027!
Do yourselves a favor, DO NOT DO THE RECALL.
Their truck isn't even eligible for the recall.😂
Did you release the AFTER recall video and your conclusions?
I own a 2014 VW Touareg TDI and the diesel “fix” primarily affected cold start smoothness and the amount of DEF it uses. MPG’s may have dropped by 1-2 mpg, but that could as much be related to typical aging and I feel no real power difference (using my butt dyno). I’m guessing the Cummins fix will be similar.
The fix ruined my 2015. Lost over 1 second 0-60, reduced mpg and the transmission tuning was unsafe and undriveable. Then taking off from a stop you could literally count 1 one-thousand 2 one-thousand 3 one-thousand and then the car would begin to pull away. Pre fix it would run a low 7 second 0-60 with brake boost and high 7s with no brake boost. The quickest it ever ran post fix was 8.6 seconds and if you didn't brake boost it was nearly 11 seconds. Tune and TCM flash are required for those tdi.
Everyone told you in the last video to include a Dyno test, but you didn't listen.🤦♂️
but that would cost real money.
According to a pdf from the California dept of justice the recall is for 13-19 trucks. According to the document cummins will fix the trucks (sotware update) and provide an extended emission warranty. 10 year or 120k miles from initial purchase or 4 year 48k which ever is greater. On 13-18 the warranty will cover def and scr system. 19 covers the same but adds EGR. There is nothing listed for 2020 to current so either their not eecalling those or there is a seperate recall coming. Appreciate the video but it might be for nothing. Do a search for consent decree 1/10/2024 and look for the California dept of justice. It a large doc but explains everything pretty well.
Does this extended warranty cover trucks registered outside CA? The def/scr system should include the dpf as well.
According to what I've seen the warranty will be for every truck that has the recall performed no matter where the truck resides. In the list of parts covered I did not see anything about the DPF
Exactly! The TFL truck isn't even getting the "update".
My prediction will be more DEF use and more regen over time as the DPF gets more soot from the EGR in "normal" operating mode. That would result in very little power change but some extra fuel and DEF use. Once the DPF needs more regen then fuel economy will drop some. Long term there will be the EGR cooler blockage and coking of the intake valves.
Agreed
Agreed
The few test out the show zero power and fuel economy change. None that I've seen have tested def usage. TFL will be the bottom line. I'm behind the blue curtain in Kommiefornia so the update will be mandatory. My 2018 Limited Tungtsen Edition only has 57,000 miles on it so it's not leaving the fold anytime soon. Never say never though.
@@theantiqueactionfigurehave not seen a single dyno pull before and after
This is pretty much what happened to my 2015 jetta TDI, was getting like 45 -48MPG, after the recall it got 37 - 40MPG, they said it would be like 2MPG drop but it was actually like 6 -8MPG. Didn't make since anymore having it with the price of diesel to gas, looked into what it would be to delete it and after that got 50 - 53MPG.
The government needs to get out of this bs. None of what they do helps in anywY.
Nope. All the government does is makes our lives harder and more expensive. I’m so sick of this *hit
All the new recall flash is utilizing more DEF to get the Nox levels down. Nothing else should be affected. The 20+ trucks already have the software from factory. Bulk of the recalls are ln the MY2013-2019. On my ‘22 uses more DEF than my ‘18. This video is moot with the 2022.
That’s awesome that y’all are setting a current reference point. This will help to identify where the changes were made. Hopefully this update won’t neuter the Cummins like they did the ecodiesel, that truck cold would have no power from a standstill and once you hit 2k rpm it’s finally had some power
Except their truck won't be recalled according to the EPA. Only the 2013-2018 will.
This a RAM recall, not a Cummins recall! As a certified Cummins tech, I can not perform this recall because the 6.7 in Ram pickups is different than the B6.7. There is also the fact that the ECM and aftertreatment systems are RAM equipment not supplied by Cummins. Why does this recall not cover the B6.7 used in other REAL trucks like Mack, International and Freightliner? This is a Stellantis problem, not a Cummins problem!
Everyone who deleted their Cummins and they’re getting calls to bring it in for the recall- “well sh*t”. 😂
Edit: I guess if you don’t live in a state that does emissions checks then you don’t have to worry about the recall. Those are the states where people delete. Seems like half of the used HD diesels on FB Marketplace where I live have “deleted” in the description.
There's no reason why this incident should cause the end of the diesel trucks. Ford and GM haven't had that problem. So Ram needs to get their you know what going and concentrate on fixing the problem honestly. They just tried to cut the corner and got caught.
So where is the final test!!?? Will there be one?
I think this has to do with California needing a bailout they're billions of dollars in the hole and now have to take from their emergency fund.
That’s not true at all.
@@DeepDishPizza and I don’t think your statement is either.
@@CrimeVid Oh really? Wanna get Doxxed? I didn’t think so.
Well what you think and what's true ain't exactly the same thing.
You HAD to add smoke....
Really, if Cummins did it, other are too.
Do yah think the EPA needed $?
California needs to leave the rest of us alone.
I think the government should have to pay for any work regarding emissions out of warranty, they're the ones mandating that it be installed
4 months an no follow up video? It seems like this whole thing disappeared. There isn't any new info. Interesting.
When is TFL going to do part 2 testing, it's been a month allready.
I didn’t notice any changes after the VB6 recall on my 2019. Hopefully for the later models, the recall’s impact to vehicle performance is unnoticeable.
-3 mpg ftw
The VB6 is not the recall for the Cummins fine. 67A is the recall.
Nice truck but 10 sec to 0-60 kinda slow for modern truck, Love my HO 6.7l
A dyno session would have answered all these items with accuracy
It's too bad epa is such a stickular. I work for a hazardous waste company and receive waste from EPA waste sites and they are always the worst sites to receive from. They don't know their heads of rom their a__ most of the time. Pretty scary if you ask me. So let the EPA mess more things up here. I hope they check the other diesel engines and not just Cummins.
I’m sure they are. The government agencies are the worst at everything.
Please show me the mission's numbers between the old vehicle and the updated Knox. Co axio oxygen all those numbers during real live transparency tests
Excellent presentation. Thank you. You know that it will not end with positive results for the owners. As with the Ford overstating the 7.3 horsepower, the manufactures just want to get your money and then do damage control after the fact if needed. With the Tesla Cybertruck, many of the promised features are "disabled" and not "completed" yet. Tesla actually wants you to buy a "unfinished" truck and just wait around for the features to be finished. Tesla has been doing this more often lately. Crazy to see missing promises for the Model S just now finally being available to customers after years of waiting. Just seems to be standard operating procedures now.
Or like computer games then they give you a patch for the mistakes in the game that a simple play would find!
We are waiting for the after recall to see if or when we'll have it done on our Cummins. Any update?
Too bad TFL doesn't have a 2013-2018 which the recall effects.
You’re not even doing the test on a 13 - 18 truck! How does this help anyone????
Just curious, have you realized that your 2022 is not getting recalled?
These guys are stretching out this recall shit longer than it took cummins to agree to pay the 1.7b
They should do tests before and after recall and then deleted 😂
When do we get the update? The reason this video was made…
its like cummins stopped everyone from posting update videos/information
Why haven’t you done the follow up? Did you get rid of the truck?
Come on, where's the part II to this video!!!! We want to KNOW!!!!
For all y’all truck owners in California that have to deal with this, I raise my glass to you for putting up with these kinds of setbacks. 🍻
I raise my glass to the Californians stupid enough to still be in California.
called my dealer today and my 2022 is not part of the recall. Why is yours?
My truck is on the hit list. I'm not doing the recall until I know more about it. So... looking forward to the next video. In the meantime, I wonder if anyone has done an emissions test before and after. I can certainly imagine a case where the fix causes more emissions on the test and possibly fail to pass.
When are we going to see the sequel to this video with the post update results on the truck?
What's up with the thumbnails with the huge clouds of smoke?
So early I can hear the Cummins losing hp. I hope not .
The towing test is weak. I carry that much weight in the bed.
Gotta tow a 24k gooseneck.
Our Ram 2500 is not rated for that.
Motors= Electric
Engines= Combustion.
Cummins Engine.
Thank you guys for really taking this seriously, can’t wait for the follow up video 👍🤗🤗
Where is part 2, after the recall, episode? It’s been forever
Definitely need dyno numbers pre/post.
I'm Cummins just watching this video. 😍🥒
I love the inclusion of the banks data monster! Great engineering and data analysis
How is the testing coming long? I just did the recall on Friday since I live in California and was required to do it prior to renewing the registration. I'd be curious as to what exactly the ECM re-calibration does. According to the dealer service tech I talked to on Friday they said the truck mostly will just use a bit more DEF fluid and that there shouldn't be a reduction in power however I don't know if what they are saying is entirely true which is why I am waiting for your guys' testing on this.
Also, the time it took to get this done at the dealer was pretty fast, took less than an hour to complete.
Calling it now, everything will be worse post “fix”.
Wondering when we will get an update here. I would think 2 months would be plenty of time to get the recall done and reviewed.
Starting to think they either got a letter from Ram or got paid not to do the follow-up. lol
If the truck you’re testing on is only 2 years old, that would make it a model year 2021 or 2022, correct? If that’s the case, it is not subject to the 67A recall campaign. According to releases from CARB and the EPA, 2020 and up are only included in the settlement because Cummins didn’t disclose their programming specs and there is no corrective action on those model years. Is there something I’m missing?
Once again, your model year is not affected from information in news reports. If you haven't gotten a recall notice, why are you bothering?
Yes. 2019-2023 are affected , but it’s under a different recall number. Not much info on this yet.
@@TFLtruck ok then, media hasn't been reporting on it
Have you posted the after recall video yet?
Power most likely will be affected.. otherwise Ram wouldn't have had a reason for the 'defeat' software to be installed, right?
Somebody should partner up with Gale Banks to do the testing before and after the recall. His crew has the expertise and equipment to really tell what has happened before and after.
So where is the follow up road test????
The recall is just a recalibration, there is/was no defeat device. A friend at Cummin’s said the epa has not stated why they were being sued. Other diesel manufacturers don’t use the sensors that Ram decided to no longer to use. Ford and GM diesel emissions devices are no different than the rams.
“Defeat device” is EPA speak for software or hardware that lets the engine produce emissions over permitted limits. Manufacturers are allowed to write software routines to do that to protect the engine or dpf/ SCR system, those routines just have to be disclosed & justified to the epa. If the manufacturer didn’t disclose that routine for whatever reason, the epa could call that a “defeat device”.
Mine already uses twice as much def as my power stroke did, so let’s hope that don’t get worse, I’m gonna be one of the the last ones to get mine done, that’s for sure😂
Still no follow up? I have not had recall 67A done. They claim it is free, well it is not. My local dealer is so incompetent and lying to you is the norm, I will never set foot in their again. So that leaves me with a 220 mile round trip and a day shot. I use my truck mainly for towing a 37 foot 5th wheel. Something will change, and if I were to guess it will be more DEF usage and maybe poorer fuel economy, so it will cost me. Cummins paid out a huge amount of money, but I never saw a cent, but should have, I was lied to also.
I just received a reminder from Chrysler about the recall. The sentence that really stood out about having the recall done was , "Failure to do so could be determined as lack of Proper maintenance of your Vehicle. Wow, and now a threat! I am so threw with Chrysler.
What happened to the "after" video??
If it was an EV model that had a potential to have a problem, the gov would confiscate and shred them…
California EPA suits getting 300 million 😂
@location_florida
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I hate to break it to you mpg guys but I'm getting 19 city and 25+ highway in my 99 super duty 7.3 tuned to 400hp lifted with 33. Don't get me wrong, I like Cummins. Cummins 6bt (5.9) and the international 444 (7.3) are the best engines ever put in light trucks. To give some comparison I get 6-7.5 mpg in my 2020 Kenworth with a 450hp Cummins x15 pulling 70k, it still has def right now. Have not got it deleted yet. You will pick up more mpg by deleting the def on any engine. First thing to do to any modern diesel is to delete the def and turn off egr. You will get more mpg and be WAY more reliable
What if the recall isn’t till spring time? Then you try to do the same test? I don’t think it would be accurate with the environmental changes.
All we can do is communicate the current conditions, record it, and test.
@@TFLtruck No, gENius. You should have waited until you received the recall notice and made an appointment for the fix. The fix the before testing the day before the fix and the after testing ASAP after the fix. What public elementary schools did you guys flunk?
Super tough to make my Cummins use more DEF, since my 2018 Cummins had no DEF system period.
Those big tires are still dumb.
Any idea when part 2 will be released? What you’re doing is greatly appreciated.
There ever going to be a part 2?
Ram 2500 & 3500 models built after 10/1/2019 are not affected and will not be recalled. Cummins has to pay a fine for not reporting the software scheme used on these years but the emissions fully comply with EPA regulations. This is why Cummins will not admit guilt.
Famous words " I'm from the Government and I'm here to help"...😂
The government has forgotten their role. Ridiculous.
you going to follow up on this????????????
Where is the update to this video?
I think it would have been a better test if you did it closer to the time the recall work is done. Who knows how many miles you’ll put on the truck and what will change about the truck before they do the recall work. Or, it might be the middle of summer and weather could be much hotter. Just my opinion.
Dont take your truck in for the recall
So where is the rest of this story?
Love that I got a banks pedal commander add during this. Don’t have a diesel yet but lovebanks
I'm scared we're in the Ford 5.0 Diesel territory.
Ford had a 3.0L diesel and has a 6.7L diesel. The 5.0L is a gasser. 😎
Didn't the Titan have a 5.0 diesel?