How about monk skill that might have been non intentional nod: “I am the Blizzard”. It’s like developers themselves are saying “Look at me. I am the Blizzard now”
Party play being good in an engaging way is only a win in my opinion. Nothing wrong with being rewarded for working together. But it shouldn’t be insanely more rewarding. It is definitely healthy to the game to have party play be good and they are balancing the end game limits with parties more aggressively this time.
What is the most insane thing they said was that some boss, who are connected to a power, might react different if you use the power, like they said the Chronos boss will tell a chronomancer that her skill have no effect on him
My prediction for the update/release Schedule: Every 3 months add 2 classes(with 2 ascendancy each), 1 campaign chapter, and 1 End game mechanic. Then this time next year release the 3rd ascendancy for each class.
I haven't been able to comment on anyone stuff because there's SOOOOOO much content to go over and comb through, but I am SUPER excited that they used Sylver's idea almost word for word!!!! OMG!!!!!! Can't wait to watch this!!!
Each trial has scalable tiers. Each tier rewards the set of points. But, since you meet them in different acts, it is most likely that you could gain the points doing the first tier of each trial to get the ascendancy points.
I love that they added trials back for the ascendancies. I will miss the Labs but it looks like they came pretty close without duplicating it. I know some people hate Labyrinth but they added different ways to ascend. Win-win for everyone.
What's crazy is they soft confirmed the 3rd trial. I'll call it here but it's ToTA 2. Edit: watch the vid further and everyone is making the same call lol.
@PattyGoesZoom i would assume lab is coming back in some form at some time, some people like it, and who knows maybe they do it to bring back helm meta mods. But who knows, maybe they looked at it and they couldn't figure a way to make the Izaro fight fit their new boss philosophy.
so glad to hear the sound design team cooked with POE2 and that all the sounds are amazing. I picked a really good time to buy some IEMs that I will now definitely be wearing when I play this game.
@@laucon11 Hate to say it but almost yeah, been playing poe for 11 years and i play 2 months out of each league easily but all i want to do now is play poe 2.
There might be some trophy for first pinnacle boss kill, but maybe they don't want to make a big fuss about it at release. It might overshadow the casual audience experience a bit if it's communicated loudly at start.
Tbf they never said that tier 4 was the highest level of difficulty. All they said was that certain uniques would only drop after reaching certain levels of difficulty and that defeating the breach boss on tier 4 would be pretty difficult. So it's possible that tier 4 could be the top or could be just the midway there.
@@Krzysiekoy I think every small node is a +1 difficulty, so there would be 8 total. Technically you could get +6 difficulty if you picked all of the first ones, not sure if they scaled for that though.
@@ninetailedfox579121 You are right, I just re-watched the video and there are indeed 8 nodes. I incorrectly assumed there were only +1 nodes at the start of the tree, but there are actually 8. So now I also wonder if there is more difficulty, and if it does anything or if this was just an outdated tree or maybe the icons were wrong? Who knows, but this is interesting.
I can't believe they are going as far as they are. The first game already helped redefine the genre, now they are cementing their legend status in ARPG history. It's a good time to be alive!
57:14 some ancient azmeri, potentially yet unnamed, but im gonna go out on a limb and say that it will be someone we know at least. I would guess the beast but i think thats more of a story boss than a pinnacle. Maybe theyll bring back izaro? I hope hes there somewhere
Love the pod Tri. Just an idea for the hype train guests. Maybe compile like 5 universal questions that you ask each guest, that way we get to hear multiple opinions guest to guest on the same topics, at least for a few talking points. This is my favorite PoE crew though. Thanks to you 3.
Incursion 2.0 will really be life changing for me when it comes out it was the reason i ever got to maps the first time so 2026 will be when i drop all other games
I thought revival is only during the campaign, not in maps for last boss: kalandra is as old as the titans but the lake is older, nobody knows who created the lake :)
@@TalkativeTri: If you look at the Atlas tree for the Uber boss in the middle (right at the end of the stream), you'll see an icon with a figure. I assume it's the end boss and u can see some hints in it. I won't spoil!
So as for the speculation which character that dark mantled wraith may be. I'd like you to go to the PoE wiki and search "Sin" and "Shaper" and tell me those eyes match more with Shaper than they do with Sin. Yes he does have the interloper line, very shaper-esque, but man if this character isn't Sin I'm lost for words. Not to mention he was trying to guard the seed of corruption, Shaper would want to see us extinct for what we've done to his realm I reckon he'd be trying to find ways to duplicate it and spread a few dozen of them into the wrong hands just to make a point :p
Precursor huh? Like in Precursor's Emblem? An ancient being from undergrund? Why is no one guessing Aul? "a historical figure in Wraeclast as the last king of the Proto-Vaal civilization" according to the wiki. If we're really playing this far in the past I think it could be him a few years / decades after he got dethroned. I'd love to see the "first ones" as actual bosses as well :)
@Talkative Tri, do you know or maybe something you could ask will the other 6 classes be released eventually during Early Access?, I’m so keen on Druid and Templar would be awesome to find out they’ll come to EA at a later date.
I wonder what happens if you die in all 4-5 maps connected to the ziggurat? I mean you will be locked in and unable to proceed. Do you have to make a new character or is there some way to reset the atlas? Don’t know if they’ve answered this?
I'm worried with bosses we will have the same problem where you never run bosses at lower difficulties than 4 because the fragments are priced around their "uber" prices. I don't want the continued tradition of guarenteed money loss when bossing
As always Poe 1 brains be doom and gloom The game is entirely different Poe 1/d3 are both a huge outlier to what diablo 2 fans wanted in the sequels Stop doing that Great video tri! ❤
40:10 i will be so sad if we really dont see izaro. 40:52 i also believe that you can do all your ascensions from whatever trials you want, even if you do them all at one. The thing i want to know is this: do we still get 4 trials/8 points? I kinda thought i heard mark say something that led me to believe there was only 3 trials, but i cant remember exactly what it was he said
@ninetailedfox579121 the only final boss I heard about was izaro at the highest level of the sekhma trial specifically, but if it's at the highest level only, that would be pinnacle level, not Uber lab level, considering the trials are all also endgame mechanics
A question for SylverXYZ….. You said a 2H sword Chronomancer would be your first build….. But are there any 2H swords and 2H sword skills in the EA or di we have just Maces, Staves, Wands, Sceptres, Quarterstaves, Bows and Crossbows for start? Didnt saw any sword or dagger or claw or flail skills….
Will poe2 have its own launcher? I know that most OGs don't play on stream but for a long time steam concurrent players is a big publicity number. So I hope they are on steam only😅
I’m scared of making a trash build with the passive skill tree being a new player. I played poe1 and followed a build guild but man was it still complicated
This is exactly the reason why they made the new skill tree as it is. Because there are lots of newer players who may have had a hard time with Poe 1 skill tree and making builds or new players to Poe 2 altogether. Being able to respec for a small fee and have a guidance and recommended feature is perfect.
One of the biggest problems with poe 1 was you couldn't respec easily if you messed up. It should be much much easier now to respec if things aren't working out
love the content and the attitude! However, the chat in the middle of the screen bigger than the 3 hosts combined is kinda hard to look at... all the best!
I'm still dooming. Looking really fun one time play but sinking 400 500 600 or more hours every league seems like these changes are going to be soul draining.
The 'die and not being able to redo the map' will be great for the few but not the many it will distract them and cause them to stay away from challenges. It will do far more harm than good, it will alienate the vast majority.
Fair point that the biggest skeptics of POE2 are POE1 players. 11 years of playing the OG breeds familiarity and I suppose POE1 players headed into the POE2 reveal looking for a kind of "familiarity" to POE1. What we were shown was a sequel that differs vastly from its parent. I think POE1 players will be surprised; I don't think you can try to play POE2 like it's POE1 with more bells and whistles. We now know why the original plan to have the two games merge at the endgame was dropped. They are just incompatible with each other.
Im going to say something controversial: this game is going to have a major casual player drop off at endgame, for the same reason Last Epoch did; endgame activities with 1 death fail mechanics. If you have 1 hour to play, and you spend 25 to 30 minutes and then die and get nothing, you feel like you utterly wasted your time. These activities need a life system, 2 or 3 lives system would be nice, even if a death gives less rewards (or no death runs give more).
The pinnacle boss is probably Diablo, since he is not used in the Diablo games anymore. :D
Still processing! Thanks for helping me digest guys. Loved the chat.
i fuckin love your 2h chronomancer fantasy and I'm on board!
How about monk skill that might have been non intentional nod: “I am the Blizzard”. It’s like developers themselves are saying “Look at me. I am the Blizzard now”
Party play being good in an engaging way is only a win in my opinion. Nothing wrong with being rewarded for working together. But it shouldn’t be insanely more rewarding. It is definitely healthy to the game to have party play be good and they are balancing the end game limits with parties more aggressively this time.
What is the most insane thing they said was that some boss, who are connected to a power, might react different if you use the power, like they said the Chronos boss will tell a chronomancer that her skill have no effect on him
My prediction for the update/release Schedule: Every 3 months add 2 classes(with 2 ascendancy each), 1 campaign chapter, and 1 End game mechanic. Then this time next year release the 3rd ascendancy for each class.
This legendary trio is my favorite poe2 discussion board. Remembering all the hours you guys helped us out this year. Much love
Awesome breakdown and talk, thank you gents!! Extremely hyped for ascendancy and the scaling difficulty of endgame 🍻
I haven't been able to comment on anyone stuff because there's SOOOOOO much content to go over and comb through, but I am SUPER excited that they used Sylver's idea almost word for word!!!! OMG!!!!!! Can't wait to watch this!!!
jesus fucking h christ dude, chill!
Awesome video, guys! Wished it was twice as long tho :D
Each trial has scalable tiers. Each tier rewards the set of points. But, since you meet them in different acts, it is most likely that you could gain the points doing the first tier of each trial to get the ascendancy points.
Being a voice acter making monster noises must be so fun
Now I understand whatTalkative Tri means! 3 hotties of PEO2. Looking forward to this game and appreciate the conversation and the added eye candy :D
I love that they added trials back for the ascendancies. I will miss the Labs but it looks like they came pretty close without duplicating it. I know some people hate Labyrinth but they added different ways to ascend. Win-win for everyone.
What's crazy is they soft confirmed the 3rd trial. I'll call it here but it's ToTA 2.
Edit: watch the vid further and everyone is making the same call lol.
I hope there is an outlet for the zoom-zoom lab runners like me. Love optimising for movement speed above nearly all else.
@PattyGoesZoom i would assume lab is coming back in some form at some time, some people like it, and who knows maybe they do it to bring back helm meta mods. But who knows, maybe they looked at it and they couldn't figure a way to make the Izaro fight fit their new boss philosophy.
100% they said you can ascend by doing the same trial if you chose so.
there is a guy towards the end of the video in chat sum it all for me and he said " i just wanna play man"
so glad to hear the sound design team cooked with POE2 and that all the sounds are amazing. I picked a really good time to buy some IEMs that I will now definitely be wearing when I play this game.
POE2's video showcase could also be re-titled as D4's upcoming funeral
Also POE1
@@laucon11 Hate to say it but almost yeah, been playing poe for 11 years and i play 2 months out of each league easily but all i want to do now is play poe 2.
Rip both games
There might be some trophy for first pinnacle boss kill, but maybe they don't want to make a big fuss about it at release. It might overshadow the casual audience experience a bit if it's communicated loudly at start.
Sylver just leapt up my POE content creator list for being a Chronicles of Riddick fan. Such a cultured gentleman!
for the guy who asked about wipe, characters are moved to beta standard, so still playable after launch.
Tbf they never said that tier 4 was the highest level of difficulty. All they said was that certain uniques would only drop after reaching certain levels of difficulty and that defeating the breach boss on tier 4 would be pretty difficult. So it's possible that tier 4 could be the top or could be just the midway there.
Well, there are only four +1 difficulty nodes, so it makes sense that difficulty 4 is max, starting from 0.
@@Krzysiekoy I think every small node is a +1 difficulty, so there would be 8 total. Technically you could get +6 difficulty if you picked all of the first ones, not sure if they scaled for that though.
@@ninetailedfox579121 You are right, I just re-watched the video and there are indeed 8 nodes. I incorrectly assumed there were only +1 nodes at the start of the tree, but there are actually 8. So now I also wonder if there is more difficulty, and if it does anything or if this was just an outdated tree or maybe the icons were wrong? Who knows, but this is interesting.
On POE 1 I spent real money on cosmetics to turn my witch into a succubus, Now with the new ascendancy I'm between excited and frustrated.
Lovely as ALWAYS. SO MUCH PATH OF EXILE 2 STUFFFFFFFFF!
I can't believe they are going as far as they are. The first game already helped redefine the genre, now they are cementing their legend status in ARPG history. It's a good time to be alive!
Hooded one:
I think that was the statue behind ZiggyD at Q&A.
Or was it something else we already know?
57:14 some ancient azmeri, potentially yet unnamed, but im gonna go out on a limb and say that it will be someone we know at least. I would guess the beast but i think thats more of a story boss than a pinnacle.
Maybe theyll bring back izaro? I hope hes there somewhere
Love the pod Tri. Just an idea for the hype train guests. Maybe compile like 5 universal questions that you ask each guest, that way we get to hear multiple opinions guest to guest on the same topics, at least for a few talking points. This is my favorite PoE crew though. Thanks to you 3.
@@johncani4684 this is done!
Incursion 2.0 will really be life changing for me when it comes out it was the reason i ever got to maps the first time so 2026 will be when i drop all other games
Prediction - the third ascendancy for Mercenary will be like an Engineer and will have skills and perks that deal with turrets and such.
I thought revival is only during the campaign, not in maps
for last boss: kalandra is as old as the titans but the lake is older, nobody knows who created the lake :)
Tri taking notes for 2h during the livestream while smiling was priceless 😂 great video guys
I cannot believe anyone had not mentioned Atziri as the end boss.
YO
@@TalkativeTri: If you look at the Atlas tree for the Uber boss in the middle (right at the end of the stream), you'll see an icon with a figure.
I assume it's the end boss and u can see some hints in it. I won't spoil!
Because thats not exciting, zana and/or shaper would be ideal. Imagine you walking in and some quick dialogue leads to her asking 'still sane, exile?'
I thought the fade in on their names was a really nice touch.
Hi, tri , thank you very much for the coverage! I have got one question after watching all the trailers : where are the swords?
So as for the speculation which character that dark mantled wraith may be. I'd like you to go to the PoE wiki and search "Sin" and "Shaper" and tell me those eyes match more with Shaper than they do with Sin. Yes he does have the interloper line, very shaper-esque, but man if this character isn't Sin I'm lost for words. Not to mention he was trying to guard the seed of corruption, Shaper would want to see us extinct for what we've done to his realm I reckon he'd be trying to find ways to duplicate it and spread a few dozen of them into the wrong hands just to make a point :p
Is this pod premiere or I've missed previous ones? Loving it
Precursor huh? Like in Precursor's Emblem? An ancient being from undergrund? Why is no one guessing Aul? "a historical figure in Wraeclast as the last king of the Proto-Vaal civilization" according to the wiki. If we're really playing this far in the past I think it could be him a few years / decades after he got dethroned. I'd love to see the "first ones" as actual bosses as well :)
POE1 : "tony stark made this in a cave outta scrap!"
POE2 : "Oh shit tonys gotta fuckin lab now!"
@Talkative Tri, do you know or maybe something you could ask will the other 6 classes be released eventually during Early Access?, I’m so keen on Druid and Templar would be awesome to find out they’ll come to EA at a later date.
I wonder what happens if you die in all 4-5 maps connected to the ziggurat? I mean you will be locked in and unable to proceed. Do you have to make a new character or is there some way to reset the atlas? Don’t know if they’ve answered this?
I'm worried with bosses we will have the same problem where you never run bosses at lower difficulties than 4 because the fragments are priced around their "uber" prices. I don't want the continued tradition of guarenteed money loss when bossing
The ultimate boss might be an Exile. Cause we are really dangerous in PoE 1
I'm really curious if you can add corruption to the map by vaaling a Waystone.
As always
Poe 1 brains be doom and gloom
The game is entirely different
Poe 1/d3 are both a huge outlier to what diablo 2 fans wanted in the sequels
Stop doing that
Great video tri!
❤
40:10 i will be so sad if we really dont see izaro.
40:52 i also believe that you can do all your ascensions from whatever trials you want, even if you do them all at one. The thing i want to know is this: do we still get 4 trials/8 points? I kinda thought i heard mark say something that led me to believe there was only 3 trials, but i cant remember exactly what it was he said
There are 3 levels of trial, plus the final boss. I assume you will have to beat the final boss at least once to get the final ascendency points.
@ninetailedfox579121 the only final boss I heard about was izaro at the highest level of the sekhma trial specifically, but if it's at the highest level only, that would be pinnacle level, not Uber lab level, considering the trials are all also endgame mechanics
A question for SylverXYZ…..
You said a 2H sword Chronomancer would be your first build…..
But are there any 2H swords and 2H sword skills in the EA or di we have just Maces, Staves, Wands, Sceptres, Quarterstaves, Bows and Crossbows for start?
Didnt saw any sword or dagger or claw or flail skills….
Yep sword skills are missing.
59:00 uuuh, could it be the beast?
Will poe2 have its own launcher? I know that most OGs don't play on stream but for a long time steam concurrent players is a big publicity number. So I hope they are on steam only😅
I’m scared of making a trash build with the passive skill tree being a new player. I played poe1 and followed a build guild but man was it still complicated
You can always respec, no worries
This is exactly the reason why they made the new skill tree as it is. Because there are lots of newer players who may have had a hard time with Poe 1 skill tree and making builds or new players to Poe 2 altogether. Being able to respec for a small fee and have a guidance and recommended feature is perfect.
One of the biggest problems with poe 1 was you couldn't respec easily if you messed up. It should be much much easier now to respec if things aren't working out
love the content and the attitude! However, the chat in the middle of the screen bigger than the 3 hosts combined is kinda hard to look at... all the best!
you're right
What about the droprate in Koop e.g as 4 players?
xesht'ula in poe1 is literally Xoph ESH Tul UL'netol chayULA so xesht would be xoph esh tul I guess
hyped for off meta michael chat btw
I’m definitely gonna try a life stacking melee focused blood mage haha
multiclassing ascendencies maybe someday?
where is the lore series
Can’t wait to play the monk
Hey Tri, did anyone tell you how much you look like Khadgar (Warcraft/WoW)?
Poe 2 is fire
Ggg is Fire
@talkativeTri: is it possible to brick the Atlas by dying in all the waystones and don't have any Chance to Progress further...?
There is a reset mechanism if you want / need a new atlas, it was mentioned in the ghazzy and dm interview the other day.
Wish I could play poe2 but I have choice paralysis. No idea what class to choose I’ll be stuck on login.
Time to play HC, you'll get around to them all real quick.
Will early access be available on console?
Yes!
Is PS5 included in EA ? Or need to wait till official launch ?
it will have EA, cannot buy key until dec 6 on ps5 tho :(
I'll add a bit of copium to the Pinnacle boss' identity discussion.
Is it me or the atlas tree for that looks like a brain?
LOGIN
Cant be there on 6th. May a Month later😮
Bro can't wait dont know if i want to wait for ps5 support packs or play on my laptop
GGG said all the bosses will be unique to poe 2
So i highly doubt they bring back sirus or anyone from poe 1
I'm still dooming. Looking really fun one time play but sinking 400 500 600 or more hours every league seems like these changes are going to be soul draining.
The only thing I don't want to see in PoE 2 is reflect damage. I hate this feature
LET MEEEEEE IIIIIIN
The 'die and not being able to redo the map' will be great for the few but not the many it will distract them and cause them to stay away from challenges. It will do far more harm than good, it will alienate the vast majority.
Fair point that the biggest skeptics of POE2 are POE1 players. 11 years of playing the OG breeds familiarity and I suppose POE1 players headed into the POE2 reveal looking for a kind of "familiarity" to POE1. What we were shown was a sequel that differs vastly from its parent. I think POE1 players will be surprised; I don't think you can try to play POE2 like it's POE1 with more bells and whistles. We now know why the original plan to have the two games merge at the endgame was dropped. They are just incompatible with each other.
Especially if they never played diablo 2
Also a key distinction
ggg skill tree planner when?
We will need a RTX 5090 to run it ?
addidas you support izreal
Im going to say something controversial: this game is going to have a major casual player drop off at endgame, for the same reason Last Epoch did; endgame activities with 1 death fail mechanics. If you have 1 hour to play, and you spend 25 to 30 minutes and then die and get nothing, you feel like you utterly wasted your time. These activities need a life system, 2 or 3 lives system would be nice, even if a death gives less rewards (or no death runs give more).
Fair point. GGG is great at listening to the community.. if that’s something everyone hates, they’ll change it.
It won't be 1 death fail. Maps still have 6 portals like they always have.
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