Instant Analysis - Red Wings Trade Walman To Sharks...Another Move Coming?
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- Опубликовано: 24 июн 2024
- Steve Dangle recaps and analyzes both deals the Detroit Red Wings made today and shares his thoughts on whether or not he believes there is something bigger in the works.
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4:18 Funnily, Nikita Zadorov's stats in 2022-23 were... 14G and 7A for 21PTS
Future ("If this player is still available at 14 don't take him") Considerations
11*
Sharks fan here. My thoughts throughout this video.
Redwings... uh huh... Redwings... weird stats, I agree... more redwings... Sharks?
"The team they iced last year was a little disrespectful..."
You're... not wrong.
Also Sharks fan: congratulations Steve for making it through an entire video without screaming like Charlie Day on bath salts.
Lol why did we both say “Sharks fan here.” In tandem lmao
You have my prayers fren
🤣
Lucas Raymond needs a contract.
Yeah but put him on waivers and the sharks might have taken him anyways lol
Steve is making room for Edvinsson and Johansson to join the Wings lineup, as well as creating cap space for his excellent young players. Raymond and Seider.
Then why was the defenseman we dumped named Jake Walman and not Justin Holl?
@rexmcdowd Who wants Holl? Nobody. They would much rather have Walman, not Petry, not Maata.
Also Walman gone means Edvinsson may take his roster spot, which I like
@@dondon130 so, instead of getting rid of Holl and Petry (to fix his own mistakes) he decided to dump Walman’s contract. Wonderful. And why did he sign Holl for that atrocious contract? Leafs fans warned you.
@ivanpavlov9885 Steve explained his signing of Holl in his press conference. Nobody wants Holl or Petry, they'd want Walman, who played well in the top pairing.
And Walman gone means Edvinsson may take his spot, which I'm good with.
Hope Jake can pop off on SJ's top pair and top PP, and Edvinsson on the top pair
I find it extremely hard to believe that no one would take Wallman for absolutely nothing…. Why was the 2nd included. Homerun for the Sharks imo.
One wings fan even said just releasing him would at least give the wings a chance to keep that 2nd.
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants Release him? Do you mean "buy him out"? You can't just send a guy packing because you feel like it. This isn't the NFL.
@@rexmcdowd Barclay Goodrow Claimed on waivers by San Jose Sharks.
I mean put him on waivers and hope another team takes him before paying a 2nd rounder you do not need to.
@rexmcdowd Then what are waivers?
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants Exactly.
I can only assume Stevie is cooking something because I have no idea why he made this move and why we got NOTHING for Walman? Like... How nothing?
Grier had to have promised something to Yzerman because Detroit could have easily put Walman on waivers and he would have be grabbed within the hour.
You’re allowed to cook something up while not making bad trades
@@JaredLS10 exactly. There's something bigger at play and we'll know what that is soon. But in the meantime, I'm just confused.
Mitch Marner, come on down!! You're a Detroit Red Wing.
Usually I thought they put “future considerations” when it’s like a conditional 5th in 2026 and it turns to a 4th by then if walman plays X amount of games and a 3rd if blah blah blah
I don’t like this deal at all. Walman was great for us and it feels like there’s something happening. There has to be some major cash being splashed to justify that sort of cap dump on a genuinely good player.
walman has a drug problem
love all the people who casually forget Steve Yzerman is the same guy who wouldn't blink and basically showed Martin St. Louis the door
He's also the same guy who drafted Brayden Point and Nikita Kucherov and Vasilevsky and built the Tampa lightning into a powerhouse.
He also gm'd team Canada to gold, won gold, won 4 Stanley cups, captain of the red wings for 19 years, drafted 4th overall, scored over 60, got over 150 points and won the Selke trophy.
And much much much more.
Best GM in hockey, rated as such by many experts.
You're jealous
@@dondon130 read the room bud, all i alluded to was that he has ice in his veins and that if he’s not afraid to trade old Martin then he’s sure as hell not gonna be afraid to trade Jake Walman. I know damn well how good he is, I’m a Wings fan you doofus.
@@dondon130he’s also the guy responsible for three pretty bad FA contracts (one of which was horrible before the ink dried) and giving up assets to acquire Jeff Petry all in the last two years
@@dondon130he won 3 cups there bud
@@richieb74 and?
As a Wings fan, this sucks. Did not want to see Walman go, this guy was ready to be here a long time. And we got nothing. And we still have Justin Holl and Andrew Copp.
I wasn't expecting his long-term, but losing him as a usable #3 D-man, while also still having Matta, Petry, Holl hurts a bit. It's Yzerman though, so let's just give it some time and see what he does. He had a fantastic off-season last year that made us competitive while our prospects marinate a little more.
And we still have a "And Another One" Brothers Chiarot and Petry. And also Husso with 4.7m contract
Did you watch jake last year? He was atrocious defensively. He wasn't even playing at the end of the year.
@@crykamikazeChiarot, Husso and Petry all have no movement clause or Modified NMC in their contracts. So they would have to agree to be traded away.
Holl played back on d he is who cares.. Flopp and Compher are worth literally 4 goals over 82 games. Larkin is the captain and the team had 27 regulation wins guys. they are disabled incapable of scoring
You're absolutely right, Steve!
I keep telling my husband that the next week, or two, are going to be some of the busiest for NHL general managers in a long time!
I'll be watching your videos and sharing them too!
Nancy
LOL You’d think if Yzerman wanted to dump a bad defence contract he would’ve given them Justin Holl
Justin Holl has a No Movement clause in his contract. So Detroit cannot move him unless he agrees to it. Husso and Chiarot also have no movement clause in their contracts as well.
@@lance2465talk about self-inflicted wounds
We'll be coming back to Holl a lot. If Yzerman is such a genius, why did he sign Holl for that term and that money? Modified NTC, 2 more years at 3,4. Terrible.
I've been thinking the past few days, with Holl having the no movement clause, maybe he refused the trade, so now Yzerman will place him on waivers "for the purpose of a buyout" but since the Sharks get first dibs they claim him on waivers. No dead cap space, and Holl is moved
This trade makes literally no sense. I really hope he’s got something big coming.
literally?
Yes, it actually makes no sense.
@@BurtTurbo Future considerations... He wants Zadina back 🤣
wings don't care about 100 moh slap shots Hronek Walman doesn't matter ...
It’s not hard to understand. It’s a straight up cap dump.
SD nailed it. Stevie is definitely up to something. Wings fans need to sit back and watch him cook. Also there is nothing more important than signing Seider and Raymond and managing the cap. I love Walman but this move can't be judged in the moment... something's up.
He could still cook without making a bad trade. Unless you'd like to convince me that there's no team in the league that wouldn't have taken Walman without even needing to be coaxed with a second-round pick. Even if Y gets a great free agent signing, attaching a second-round pick to get rid of a very serviceable player on a decent contract didn't have to happen. There's only one thing that would make this make any sort of sense: if they make a trade and the "future considerations" include San Jose being a third team and retaining salary.
Sharks can't retain salary this year. Can only retain on 3 contracts total at one time. Hertl, Karlsson, Burns
As a wings fan, I think Stevie Y is cooking something up
Mr. Dressup was my hero growing up! Loved Casey and Finnigan.
As a sharks fan I resonate with that comment about their team last year 😂😂
lmao god knows I love the sharks, bay area representing, but... yeah!! it's rough!!!
As a Wings fan, we've been patient for years now. Some of us feel we needed the blue line help to get us into the playoffs and we did nothing. Trading arguably our 2nd best defenseman is confusing AF. We need goals, but we also need to let in less goals more importantly. In a week we'll probably understand, but we lack patience now
By far one of the funniest videos I've seen from this channel. I need more weird trades for this content.
Stevie Y must have made a Jeff Finger deal here, where he thought he was dumping Justin Holl for 2nd rounder but mistakenly wrote down Walmans name
'right down to the -16 next to it' made me roll
Maybe the Red Wings are going to get future considerations Givani Smith and Filip Zadina?😅
Us wings fans do trust in the Yzerplan, but we also loved Walman
Steve gotta be cooking. I can't think of any other reason to dump cap space like that
Yzerman should have given up more and shipped away Holl instead.
6:15 Another possibility is perhaps he wasn't a fan of the "griddy" 😂.
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I have no idea why a pick had to be tied to Walman if you had to move him
There’s just no spot for Walman to play next season, too many LD. Detroit basically traded a 2nd + Walman for a 3rd. Expect more moves from Yzerman to dump salaries.
Yzerman is cooking
I don't understand why the Red Wings didn't just waive his contract to see if a team would take him on for nothing before they attached an asset to get rid of his contract. I feel like at the bare minimum that procedural aspect would not make the fan base hate the trade as much as they did.
Yzerman is trying to get celebriny😂
Future Considerations can also mean an AHL contract. The Canucks and Rangers did a trade like this a couple of years ago.
Love Stevie Y. Something big is coming 🎉🎉🎉
From a San Jose Sharks fan perspective, the Sharks wanted an offensive defensemen to replace Calen Addison, who didn't quite work out in his role from an individual perspective. Walman gives them that albeit with that low assist total. The Sharks are up-in-the-air on whether Shakir Mukhamadulin, the defensemen they acquired from New Jersey in the deal with Timo Meier, will actually make the roster on opening night. Mukhamadulin, 22, had a cup of coffee in January, and this deal hedges their bets a little.
The Sharks defensive core is probably their weakest spot going into 2024-25 and as Steve said, this team has to spend money. Overall, I think this is a low risk, medium reward move by Mike Grier who has made a couple of them the last few days. The Sharks also recently acquired F Ty Dellandrea from Dallas (traded for a 4th) and F Egor Afanasyev from Nashville (traded for F Ozzy Wiesblatt) for basically nothing as well. In the summer, expect San Jose to keep going after wingers and defensemen.
There's a lot of roster questions with this team going into next season, so expect more trades and more signings from this team. The Sharks don't even know if Logan Couture will ever be cleared to play again, which might mean $29.33m in cap space goes up to $37.34m. A lot of the roster spot favorites are unproven players, young players, and/or RFAs. The only guys with a spot secured next season are Celebrini, Eklund, Granlund, Zetterlund, Sturm, Ferraro, Walman, Vlasic (because of his NMC, if he didn't have it, he'd be an AHLer). Everything else is up in the air, and damn, it's exciting for me.
Celebrini may not play this year (though I think he will), but you forgot Smith! He signed his ELC
Looks like he’s going for Stamkos. Let’s face it. He built that Lightning team.
Wallman is an asset ...in fact, many defenseman would be signed, at a good figure, as free agents..LoL
I cracked up at "what the sharks put on the ice was disrespectful"
I don’t like this deal at all as a Wings fan, but that’s mostly because I love Wally. A real heart and soul guy who was a fan fave. I think this wasn’t Holl or Petry because we have way less depth on the right side and because Holl might get waived.
that's like when I play NHL franchise mode, and I pick my side of the trade, and then I accidently drop the controllel and the impact pushes some buttons and accepts the trade without filling the other side with assets.
is Yzerman playing the real NHL on a gamepad? did he drop it?
shayne gostisbehere caught the BIGGEST stray at 5:32:
I'm glad you are feeling better. You look healthy
The wings had more double digit goal scorers than any other team i think. Walman has a huge clapper, one of the fastest in the league
I doubt he traded Jake because of the Griddy. He only does the Griddy when he scores an overtime goal, which happens two or three times a year. Everybody got a kick out of it and an OT goal is something to celebrate.
As a wings and walman fan I sure Stevie does some big with this trade
Stevie sending a message for that collapse against the sharks last winter 😂
He's trying to convince Parise to come back so they can sign both him and Suter like they wanted to do 25 years ago
Damn, I'm so early the bots are still attacking. Yzerman has got to be trying to sign Kane and Ghost while still working the numbers for Seider and Raymond, not to mention Veleno needs a new contract.
He does not need to sign Kane. That player doesn’t need to come back.
@@workshoptelescope You mean Veleno?
@@darkphoenix2 neither player, sure. But they also have a roster minimum to hit.
@@workshoptelescopeglad you aren’t GM
@@aaronstark1969 thanks for sharing. 👍
Wings fan here... This story is still in progress, so I'm going to have to see what transpires from here on out.
We know they have to sign both Seider and Raymond. They will most likely come in at a little above 8.5 x 8. If they also sign Gostisbehere to a 6 x 4 (which it sounds like is the asking price) they've spend 23 mil. I wonder if they looking very hard at Necas or Zegras and making room for.
Also the red wings have atleast two nhl ready rookie defencemen in Simon Edvinsson and Albert Johansson, they have to make room for them.
Let ghost walk for that much money. Yes he is good but I don’t want a Copp or Compher similar deal and then he absolutely sucks.
WHY DO WE NEED TO PAY RAYMOND AND SEIDED 8 5M?! For 2 more million you can get a McKinnon or a 100 pt guy.. wtf
@@yzerab19Obviously it's just a guess but there are several things to consider. Firstly the market trends toward "brigde" deals. The example used is Lebron James. He can negotiate often and with the cap rising so will his asking price. That lead me to the second thing. The higher price is to lock them up for the maximum number of years. Long term (in most cases) benifit the teams, so the price is higher.
Also you can't just get a McKinnon, McDavid or a Matthews. Otherwise every teams would pay that.
McKinnons deal was also made a while back, if you need a reference look at newly signed deals. Look at Petterssons deal in Vancouver.
@@lance2465 I would be hesitant aswell but he did end high in points for d's
Yzerman didn't like Walman doing the gritty, so he was traded 😂
GREAT video Steve
*Yzerman stays around Michigan, you will randomly see him show up to local OHL games. Dude has an itch that will never be scratched. He is the most Michigan person ive known and hes Canadian. In Yzerman we trust.*
Blind faith in a GM is how the Wings become mid
Why? How many players from the ohl has he drafted since he's been gm? Not many.
No love for Mike Grier snagging a 2nd round pick in addition to a player we would have acquired outright with no sweetener?
No idea.what SY is cooking, but inwas shocked to see walman go, i could be wrong but i thought holl and petry have no trade clauses, i just hope these future considerations pay off. Does anyone have an example of future considerations paying off?
Raymond, Veleno, & Seider are all up, and are all going to command a lot. Raymond & Seider north 8 IMO. Yzerman wants as much flexibly as possible coming into this off season.
I also think the conversation started with a Holl or a Chiarot being sent to the Sharks for cap relief but the compensation was too much for Yzerman to consider and it got negotiated down to Walman instead.
Steve has done a great job with Tampa and has been doing good things in Detroit wait and see I bet he’s got something up his sleeve😊
Great trade for the Sharks! It helps that we suck now and have the Cap space to take this contract on!
Thanks for the video. As soon as i saw this trade i started thinking of the possibilities. This has to be Yzerman making space for an upcoming move. Jake Walman was a player that fans liked in Detroit. He seems like a good Locker Room guy and has a nice offensive side. Solid Defensemen who automatically is in San Jose's top 4.
As far as how Wings fans feel about Yzerman; He is a beloved member of Detroit Sports Royalty and he would have to screw up royally for fans to turn on him. I think he's done a good job with the team, not perfect, but good. The team has seen steady improvement every year since he got here. The team could be better, but when you look at the mess that Holland left, Yzerman had to undue a lot of bad "GM-ing".
What would be the consequences for a team not making the cap floor?
Any of: a fine between $1m-5m, suspension of Club employees, or forfeiture of draft picks, after the case goes to an arbitrator.
The free particle is Utah. Not all the 'Yotes players may be on board, some may not like Salt Lake City much, and there are plenty of teams hedging bets on that. Not pointing to any situations in particular; it just seems the math all around the league has been funny, as if guided by invisible gravitational forces, and I'm guessing that's one of them. Yzerman tends to get things really right or really wrong when cooking. Either way, he thinks macro.
Sharks fan here. Just you wait buddy, this young core is comin to knock whatever team austin matthews goes to out the playoffs in a couple years ;)
The only way this trade makes sense is if the Red Wings sign a starter quality goalie under 24 for almost the same price as Walman
As a red wings fan and a diehard Yzerman supporter im just going to say this trade absolutely pisses me off and there better be a bigger reason behind this because Jake was a fan favorite here and wanted to spend his whole career in Detroit
Go cry about it. This is a business not a popularity contest dance off. 20pt d men aren't exactly coveted assets.
Walman has a drug problem i heard
@@mvd4436 You’re literally the first person I’ve ever seen on Earth that’s ever suggested that so I’m gonna go ahead and say that’s not true and this was for cap dump purposes
@@TBTasherI’ve heard from somewhere that he has a chronic injury that won’t go away, even with surgery, and they don’t expect him to even play in the NHL for the entire length of the contract
@@timothyhole2003 Source plz
Bye, Wally? Can...can we pay Patrick Kane now? Maybe wheel that pick back out? Shuffle the deck, I guess.
He's gonna overpay Kane. Kane will be good, for a bit, and then he'll drop off.
Either there is another shoe to drop here in the form of a player to be signed to a new deal after July 1st (I don't know who this player is) going back to the Red Wings, there's something about Walman we don't know yet, or Yzerman is no longer a good GM.
Love the Mr dress up shirt 👍🏼
With Steve talking about all the streams his going to be doing especially one afternoon 5pm deadline on free agency, imagine if it peters out to nothing like the mid season trade deadline this season gone
i hope Walman Griddys on people in SJ, ill miss him in the winged wheel.
The Wings are loaded on defense and need some of those prospects to move up to the big club so as not to lose them via waivers. With the extra space maybe Stevie can sign Mo, Raymond and Kane.
I understand moving Walman. I think us Wings fans overvalue him a little bit. Only thing I don’t get is having to attach the 2nd in order to move him. I’m gonna try to not react too much until after the draft and free agency period.
Saw a Gibson trade and got excited… not quite
What a mystery. Perhaps Steve will find it in the Tickle Trunk.
This question is not being asked enough. WHY did Stevie trade him along with a second round asset, when he could have simply waived Jake, and he would’ve been picked up in about five minutes…while keeping the asset????? Help me….
Walman is weird, as his stats show. He really struggled to hang with Seider this time around. Tho I still wouldn't think you would need to give up a 2nd to dump him, and we still have Holl... Which sucks.
Wings fan here
We like him
Just a thought... whens the last time the leafs and wings made a trade?
Looks like Stammer is going to Nashville
The team they iced last year was disrespectful had me dead ngl
"The team they iced last year was disrespectful." 💀
To be honest, Yzerman has been a MASSIVE letdown for me as a Wings fan. Like, okay, when he came in, it was the usual, briding contracts, signing guys like Filppula... eh, okay, but his drafting has not been anything special, nothing like in Tampa, Detroit had overpaid defence, so he got rid of those, and got more defencemen that he overpaid and the fans want out (I mean, Holl, seriously, I saw Steve lose his mind 50 times over him, and Yzerman paid him, fff-), and now it's the questionable moves like getting NOTHING for Walman, and actually giving up something to do it. Walman was not the problem. Why not try putting him on waivers to save the 2nd round pick?
Because Steve Yzerman is a Wing legend, Wings fans fall all over themselves defending him. If his name were "Joe Smith" he would have been ridden out of town 2 years ago.
Mo= 8m+, Raymond=8m+, So that leaves 16m+ on the table. Kane + Stamkos signing would rock the NHL. Will that happen? probably not, but what if it does? lol
Am i being stupid, or is this not just to make space for Raymond and Seider's new contracts?
Can’t wait to see what overpay SY does here. Tough to be a wings fan these days. Stuck in neutral.
the griddy gets a new area code.
Stevie Y im sure is eyeing stamkos
Yannick Weber did it with the Canucks 2014-15 Vancouver Canucks NHL 65 11 10 21
Cap space to sign Kane?
Stamkos and Yzerman reunion I can see
Red Wings fan here. Love Steve Y but this trade definitely gave me pause. There has to be something he's up to.
Yeah, I'm stumped. What is Stevie, REALLY, up to?
As a red wings fan I kind of hate this. If they needed the cap space I think they could of at least got a draft pick back. Walaman has a decent contract. Why give up a second on top of losing him?
I think he is lining up for something big
Raymond and Seider are going to get big deals in the coming weeks. I also believe he's going to resign. Walman was a salary cap casualty. There are probably more to come and a buy-out of either Holl or Chiarot.
They have to extend Lucas Raymond now, no? That will be a jump.
I swear, one more damn video calling the sharks side nothing. We’re gonna fight.
Space for his old captain to come to Detroit
Red Wings fan here. He can go in a bunch of different directions with this. I think he’ll buyout Holl if he can’t get someone to take his contract freeing up another couple of million and then he’ll try to bring back Kane and Ghost and sign another big forward or he goes after Saros and maybe re-signs one of those two. If he signs Saros then I could see him buying out Husso too.
Is not the most likely here.
A Ville Husso buyout will span 2 years, has a cost of $3,166,667 and savings of ONLY $1,583,333. Not see that coming, too much work for so little.
However, A Justin Holl buyout will span 4 years, has a cost of $4,533,333 and savings of $2,266,667. Holl is 32 years of age at the time of the buyout; therefore, the buyout ratio is 2/3. With $6,800,000 in salary remaining, the cost is $4,533,333, and the savings are $2,266,667.
@@billjohansson88 yeah but why keep either one if they aren’t going to play.
@@crossface222 A pure guess is that they both have a 10 team No trade contract today. Wille, I don't think he will be bought out at all.More off his last year will be more of a season where he can really prove that he is worth keeping or not (Cossa next year 25/26?).
Holl is the one most of us think will be bought out, so no panic to do it "before" it's even possible to start such a deal before 7/1. Of the 22 teams that technically exist, none are interested in accepting his contract. So probably cheaper to buy him out over four years and admit that this was a mistake by S.Y.
@@billjohansson88 if he signs Saros, do you see him hanging on to Husso?
@@crossface222 Interesting question.
If Saros was the target as a third deal "from the beginning".
In that case, it is most likely that Husso is involved in such a deal. That is, I don't think RW will keep Husso, but the question is where will Husso go, to Nashville?
Saros is an A rank G (Husso not that much). Saros can play most games out of 82 as he has proven to do so before (Husso not so much). Saros would fit the RW timeline quite well as Saros is 29 this year. Cossa in 25/26 is given the best conditions to slot in the same way Saros did once upon a time.
I'm not an expert on Nashville, I know they have Askarov and their other G is probably a UFA. The question is why Nashville would make such a 1vs1 deal. Probably something more needs to come with such a deal (Bergren, +?). I'm personally not against a Saro's deal here, the question is what such a deal really gone costs...
You forgot to bring up the gritty.