Besides trying to give the impression Mary is a golddigger, Holmes also tries to "unsell" Watson to Mary by suggesting he is a gambler and has "cost us the rent more than once". He really does not want this relationship to develop.
Exactly!! you have actually read the novels unlike many out here... In stories John mentions how he had to restrain his emotions for her until the very end, after sherlock failed to restore the box with it's precious contents..
I hate that movies and TV shows portray him as if he magically sees everything he needs to see, like a wizard, when in the books, Holmes works his arse off for the skills he possesses. He did tons of researches and experiments, trained himself observation and deductions for years before he became the great detective Watson knew and adored.
I'm not sure if this was pointed out already, but it's pretty cool how Holmes foresaw the discussion ending early as it seems he ordered his food well in advance.
U don't want your dinner sullied by wine splashed on your face, he ordered it in advance and to be brought to him after they left...as per the overall plan all along...
Could be. They have wine but no meal is on the table. Then Mary throws the wine, they depart and suddenly Sherlock gets served his meal (roast beef?). Did he order his meal for one even before he took his seat? He may even have calculated it all in advance as carefully as a chess move in a game with Moriarty.
In fact the way he stares at his watch at the start almost looks as though he is calculating how much time he has to provoke a bust-up with Watson's intended before he gets his meal for one. I do think Holmes is very calculating in this scene. It is true that she asked him to "read" her but if she had not I think Holmes would have concentrated more on the "watch out, dearie, Watson is not a real find" angle he was pushing in the earlier part of the scene.
People in these comments don't get why she was upset. "She asked for it and he gave it to her! Why is she upset?" It's because Sherlock Holmes is normally very good at the whole induction thing, but this time he let his emotions cloud his judgement. He willfully chose to interpret the information in the worst possible way (that she's a gold-digger) simply because he doesn't like her because she's marrying Watson. It was actually incredibly insulting and disingenuous. And of course because her previous fiance DIED, it was very hurtful as well.
She asked him to make deductions about her by looking at her. She did not ask him to deliberately insult her. Remember, Holmes is a jerk. He's a lovable jerk, but a jerk nonetheless.
+ThaMahstah Him being right or wrong notwithstanding, a simple "you're wrong, because" would suffice. A real proper lady would not throw her wine on a gentleman and ruin the evening before leaving. She told him to make assumptions and he did.
I mean borrowing jewelry to make a good impression on her fiance's best friend (not including the fact he's practically famous and you typically wear your best when meeting a celebrity) wouldn't necessarily constitute as a gold digger to me. On top of that, if Holmes deduction was correct, she wore that ring proudly whilst traveling. I feel like a true gold digger would be able to tell that it wasn't as valuable as Holmes said. If nothing else, she would have gotten it appraised early on, to make sure she's getting her worth in gold. I gotta agree with +Mason here, Sherlock's abilities are typically more accurate and less emotionally charged than that. If nothing else, you can tell he's upset about Watson getting married in multiple other scenes. It's not at all a stretch for this to be a form of Sherlock acting out. And who can honestly tell they wouldn't be upset about someone bringing up your dead fiance and claiming you didn't even love him? Besides, he already pointed out that she borrowed the necklace so that right there shows that she's not greedy enough to steal it or going and buying expensive things
There is somebody explaining exactly how it is, not enough obviously, and people start going at it again and again. When Sherlock saw the ring of light skin on her finger, he could have gone with engaged but seperated and he should have asked what happened as he also only guessed it in the end. But he couldn't refrain from implying she is a gold digger, which cements his loathing of their marriage and again what a good, honest man Watson, who is his best friend, is. What it meant to her is being called a whore while having lost somebody she loved. You idiots.
*EDIT*: To shut down everyone who keeps on saying lyrics because I typed this up a few years ago now and at the time I couldn’t think of the word ‘Subtitles’ for some reason, and lyrics was the only word to come to mind, I have decided to change it so I apologise for that mistake and thank you for all the likes. XD In case if anyone's wondered, Subtitles for Sherlock speaking to Mary: 2:18 - 3:15 "You're a Governess." "Well done." "Yes, well done.. Shall we. Waiter!" "Your student.Its a boy of eight." "Charlie is seven actually." "And he's tall for his age. He flicked you with ink today." "Is there ink on my face?" "There is nothing wrong with your face." "There are two drops on your ear in fact." “Indie blue is nearly impossible to wash off." "Anyway, very. impetuous act of that boy, but you're too experienced to act rashly which is why, The lady whom you work lent you that necklace." “Pearls. Diamonds. Flawless rubies. Hardly gems of a Governess. However. The jewels you are not wearing tells us rather more." "Holmes!" "You were engaged. The ring has gone, but the lightness of the skin where it once sat suggests that you spent some time abroad, wearing it proudly, .that is, until you were informed of its true and rather modest worth, and then you broke of the engagement and returned to, England for better prospects.." *Pause* "A doctor perhaps?" *Throws wine in Sherlocks face* You're welcome. :D
At 1:20 Sherlock is just so done with Mary’s “I intend to.” Also this whole scene is one of my favorites, Mainly because how calculated Sherlock is in this scene.
The ending of this makes me so sad - like I know he was kind of harsh to Mary but when he puts on the napkin and starts eating by himself, it's just as if they're making a statement about how his intelligence leaves him always cut off from other people...
Well... he is autistic. And so coupled his intellignce it is not to surprising that he is emotionally distant and hyper obsessive to the few people he is close to.
i always love this scene ... in this scene we can see that even Sherlock Holmes is really good at deduction ... he can still make a wrong assumption ...
he tried to portray her as bad as possible with the little information he had. he wasn't trying to deduct anything, he just wanted to end the relationship
If he lived today he would use the Internet a lot - he is described as acquiring the most extensive and obscure general knowledge by reading, and somebody today could use the Web for that. Whether he would use it to try and engage with other people, even in a trolling manner - of that I am doubtful.
Exactly. I also loved the scene between them after Watson is hurt. She was very kind to him even after he treated her this way. She knows Sherlock loves him like a brother and tells him that it wasn't his fault. She's definitely a really good person.
I always feel sorry for Holmes here. He said it was a bad idea, and she insisted. Then she walks away pissed when he says something she doesn't want to hear. Ye Gods, woman. >.>
Yes, and that sad music ? It's the first time we see this character, and the one who died, we will never see him, or hear of him again... Am I supposed to care ? This scene doesn't show her under a good light, imo.
@@stevekaczynski3793 He may have chosen the wrong assumption to make, knowing how she and Watson would react, which would leave him alone for dinner. So he planned to eat alone,
Holmes was waiting for her to insist, he calculated it, he started reading Watson, "nice man, but with a gamble problem", he knew she would be curious to hear his deductions about her, he vaguely declines knowing Watson would tell him to do so, but she would insist (after all is the great Sherlock Holmes and Watson's best friend) to which Holmes would use it to ignore Watson's warnings. Holmes even brings the chair closer to her and starts nice, but the moment he mentions the ring he does it to hurt her, to make her angry and maybe he's 100% right, he may have known she would get so angry that she would spill the drink on his face which could be the reason he turned his face away from her at the last second... He knew it so good that after they leave, the waiters inmediately served the food.
I'm a big Robert Downey Jr. fan but I never felt he would make a good Sherlock. He didn't seem the type to me. After seeing his portrayal I stand corrected and apologize to him for under estimating his acting chops. In truth if one has read the books one realizes that Downey's Sherlock is perhaps the closest to the mark after all !!
MJ PS I understand that the Cumberbatch version is set in contemporary times . Although it might be a great job the Victorian era setting of the Holmesian legend is also a big draw to me so I'll pass.
+prydonian460 I think Cumberbatch is great actor and portrays amazing private detective/consultant and definitely an interesting character just not Sherlock Holmes. And it's not because of the modern era but because he is literary completely the opposite to the original Conan Doyle characterization of him. he is immature, sociopathic (as he calls himself), completely insensitive, and purposely rude. RDJ portrayed while not perfect and too comedic at times but still Sherlock Holmes. Mycroft and Irene from the movies are MUCH closer to the books
+MJ PS I actually prefer Downey Jr.'s version as I think he has a lot more range, not to mention better acting chops (in my personal opinion) of a Sherlock who's a lot more multifaceted than most other performances of the character I've seen (even moreso than Jeremy Brett). This scene in particular showcases how out of sorts he is as he's pressing on in eating after Watson and Mary leave, he's acting totally normal in terms of the encounter, yet he's tearing up from ruining the dinner for his friend and his fiance.
I would like to title the beginning of this scene a blessing and a curse! Guy Ritchie and everyone who worked on the movie this scene would be the reality of what it would be like to be Sherlock Holmes! GENIUSES!
that's so you can't figure out he's actually American !! but seriously Downey does a good job at playing history's greatest detective !! this was an exciting update of the tale of SHERLOCK HOLMES !!
thats why i never read the subs...... they are so incorrect it pisses me off and want to punch the person who made the texting. and its incorrect in every fucking thing that has subtitles... Why is noone correcting the fuckers that makes the subs???
I watched a bit of this movie today, and honestly RDJ is a much better Holmes than I remember. I'm not 100% on the look or how he's written, but the actual performance is pretty damn good. That lean and the hand thing at 2:14 reminds me a little of Jeremy Brett.
I like this Holmes better than Benedict's. The latter is a superhero whereas RDJ's and the original books' Sherlock is a simple man with an astute observational ability, but having all the common human flaws.
This just occurred to me. If he gets his food at the table right after, that means he ordered before the couple arrived. Maybe he knew she'd storm out and he'd be eating alone anyway, so he timed everything.
I think if it weren't for his comments about her dead fiance, she wouldn't have been so angry. Sure, she seemed flustered when he started going on about her borrowed necklace, but then he touched a sore spot and that's what set her off. I hardly blame her.
ScoopMeisterGeneral She asked him to show her what he could understand about her life, not to insult her calling her a golddigger based upon anything but his (wrong) intuitions.
I don't think Holmes was trying to be mean, he was just making a statement and assumption by what he saw. She was the one that challenged him and she insisted so he answered. Of course he could have answered in a nicer way I suppose.
3:20, 3:35 and 3:41 may be my favorite part of the movie. John shows that he truly admires Holmes for Holmes being Holmes. You can tell that he really cares about him.
Interesting little Easter egg they threw in with Mary's borrowed necklace. Her original book counterpart is in fact the rightful owner of some priceless pearls and jewels.
I used to think that Mary was wrong for getting upset like that (because I was thinking "Well, she insisted!"). But, then I realized that first of all, Holmes didn't have to mention a word about her former engagement. I also realized that he was indeed trying to stop Watson from getting married (I never believed that he had tried to do that the first few times that I saw this movie). Finally, you can see at the end by the look in his face that he knows what he did was wrong and not needed.
Rather than asking for it like a a lot of people have said, I think she wasn't expecting it to get so personal and the insult about her previous husband/fiance was the final straw. Is it me or is the way she says, "He didn't leave me. He died." so heartbreaking?
If you notice, his dinner was brought out *Right* after the interaction. He had ordered far before they showed up. Either he *knew* that something he would say would end in them leaving, or he planned for it to be so. Either way, astute.
Compared to the BBC tv series, this Watson is better and so is this Mary. Also, this Sherlock. The only thing that the tv series did better is Mycroft.
On another note: Am I the only one who is perfectly happy with whomever is playing the role of Sherlock? I've never seen a bad actor portray this character. Even when Brent Spiner was playing Data playing Sherlock, I was impressed by it. Probably because he's so iconic and the actors who take on the role always feel a sense of obligation to inject their own style, while trying to pay homage to a brilliant writer who didn't know how popular his creation would be come.
The way Mary catches Holmes off guard with the "I intend to" comment is hilarious... his face is just like SHIT GOT REAL. And then right after he offends both her AND Watson, he just tucks into his food! Priceless. The embarrassment on Watson's face throughout the whole scene is just brilliant.
Why ,why,why,why do movie makers and t.v.producers insist that Mary Morston was a SURPRISE to Holmes?.In The Sign of Four she hired Holmes.She met and fell in love with Watson during this time.
Everyone is always saying how they feel bad for Holmes in this scene. I think he was a jerk. i understand that he is good a reading people but i think Mary showed him that he can be wrong. He thinks he is infallible, when in reality sometimes his "grand assumptions" are wrong. Yes Mary was engaged, and yes the ring was cheap, but his assumption that she is a gold digger who wanted "better prospects" of marrying a "doctor" aren't true because she in fact loved the man she was engaged to and she didn't leave him because he was poor, he died. This makes her out to be so much better than Holmes thought she was. I don't feel bad for him at all. He "assumed" and it backfired on him.
Well, his judgement was clouded. His bias lead him to deducing the worst possible likelihoods of why the former Mrs Morstan was no longer married. Holmes disliked Mary, and irrationally perceived that she was here to steal Watson away. His best friend, and only real friend I must add. Feeling insecure about himself, and again, biased in his dislike of Mary. A deadly combination, corrupting his logic. Desiring to find some flaw that may sabotage their relationship, he thus arrived at his false conclusion. The conclusion: That Mary had run away with her previous husband's money. Therefore your conclusion that Holmes was, to quote, "a jerk", is indeed correct. As he cared less about the overall happiness of his best friend than he did about being left alone. The result of his inability to make friends. But as I have revealed, the reasons as to why Mr Holmes is a jerk, are not necessarily for the reasons that you listed.
+Justine Rennekamp Why would he be kind to her? He never hid his dislike from Watson and didn't want to meet her to begin with. Moreover, what if she really was a gold digger and he guessed right in that instance? She could have killed her husband for all we know and played innocent sad widow. Adler by the way is a gold digger and a thief so Holmes already has a skewed view of women. It's understandable he would assume the worst. And what if he said it all on purpose to see her reaction so he could see her true colours?
Sherlock is smart as hell I think he read her wrong on purpose to piss her and Watson off and come in between them so that they wouldn't see eachother anymore and eat alone...funny as hell actually
To me, Holmes didn't like Mary before meeting her. If the conversation had started differently I'm sure he would've said something else offensive towards Mary. She did insist on him deducing her but Holmes was just looking for an excuse to "catch" Mary acting shady anything that would make her look bad to Watson who seems like he already knew about Mary's last fiancee. This just shows just how personal and rude Holmes' deductions can be which is canon to the books, right?
David Worsley-Tonks oh god I deserved to die for not knowing exactly the origin of a word that doesn't beling to my own language which is spanish. I'm gonna kill myself
MagnificentFiend jesus, you're the google generation, right? You think I have the time in the world to check a thing related to language? I need to clean, to cook and keep writing my thesis and you ask to check a thing related to language while I have to communicate in english because I don't get all the info I need in spanish here in the internet??
MagnificentFiend and how is it a comment, an innocent comment woke up a troll like you. I was just watching a video and I thought fashionable was an english word because of reasons you should at least suppose. I learned to talk in english. but I won't learn it completely unless it's really important for my life, which won't be, because I doubt that Ill visit an english speaker country sometime in my life because I'm afraid the people in it will think I'm gonna syteal ther wallets because my skin is darker than yours. Fck you
Even in the new Sherlock, it's stated that there is always something he gets wrong. I'm glad that even though they are two completely separate media, there is still a parallel.
Be careful what you wish for, Mary. Also, be careful which of your fiancee's friends you wish to meet, especially the ones that your significant other might describe as "crazy".
I love the little confused mumbling at 2:05! What can you tell about me? You? I don't think that's... I don't know that that's... Not at dinner. Perhaps some other time. I insist. You insist? You remember we discussed this? The lady insists. Brilliant!
One interesting fact. The moment they went servants came with the plate but only for him. As if he warned them in advance that they won't be staying. As if he knew what was going to happen. Sad.
Thank you for all of the thumbs up for my previous post on this video, but what does Sherlock say right at the end before Mary throws the wine in his face? Someone please respond. For the life of me, I can't understand what he's saying.
Since there are butthurt meninists aplenty in this comment section wondering why women like to hurt their poor little feelings so much, let me explain why Mary reacted the way she did. What she asked Sherlock to do is to analyze her, so determine what she does for work ("you're a governess" "well done!") and what kind of day she's had ("your student flung ink at you." "*surprised gasp*") and that sort of thing. Things about her current life, not her life story. He could have stopped there and they'd all had a nice dinner and gone home. However, he proceeded to tell her that she's broke as hell and the jewels she's wearing are borrowed because her salary sure couldn't buy anything that extravagant. He basically called her bougie. He then proceeds to reveal her engagement to another man and accuse her of being a gold digger who is only dating Watson because his position as a doctor makes him the killing that could potentially result in her OWNING such jewels, not borrowing them. She became insulted because she is NOT a gold digger as he accused, but she is no longer engaged to her husband because he is dead. Are we all set here?
'What about me' were her exact words, uttered after having, herself, just witnessed Holmes expose Watson's gambling - a somewhat unflattering quality. She challenged Sherlock by inferring that his assumptions were somehow fraudulent, flawed and, having watched him dissect Watson, previously informed. He proved that they [his deductions] weren't. There was never any arrangement as to what was or wasn't off limits, however. She challenged Holmes to assess her, and this he did. It's not his fault that he picked up on what she otherwise would have kept hidden, regardless of whether he was 100% right or not. Holmes is blatantly autistic/different and she was wrong to not factor that in, to disrespect him in a way that would have been deemed reprehensible had the situation had been reversed (can you imagine a brilliant female astutely dissecting a man and being treated to a glass of wine to her face for her trouble?) and to do so publicly. And I like Mary.
He didn't judge her. He made a statement. And as cold as this statement may be (And seemed wrong, since she said the person died), she didn't say clearly what was her intention (You did your own interpretation on what she meant by asking him to analyze her. For all I know, she maybe considered at the time that Holmes was a joke or a lunatic), and so, Holmes made a complete response, which seems to be the ''safest'' way to respond to a person who is being vague. I add : Regarding @dominateolderwomen's response, I agree with this person. Same goes for Matthew R, who brings (It seems) precisions about her previous husband.
They met at Holmes favorite restaurant which meant that the staff already knew what he liked, that's why his dinner was brought to him. He doesn't want Watson and Mary together because he doesn't want to lose his friend and given the time, he knows she has a somewhat unfavorable past and may be deceiving his friend. Fortunately, Watson already knew about it.
0:28 me when I eat dinner with people. My ears are so sensitive that I can hear my brother chewing a sandwhich across the table and him sloshing it down with water. Then add in the clinkering of plates, glasses, and siverware...
The final shot of Holmes beginning to eat to eat: he seems to realize he has been such a jerk and he's ashamed of himself. That's how I interpret that awkward look on his face.
I perceived this scene as showing that Holmes is really, really bad at everything outisde his immediate field of knowledge. He simply has a very different set of feelings, lots of them severely lowered. He is a character who has obvious psychosis - functional OCD, excellent memory .. he thrives in a lot of fields, as opposed to people who are savants (who excel in one field, but debilitate other skills). Holmes simply is shown he goes insane alone, he notices everything. Watson is his voice of reason. He confronts his to-be-wife in some way, but again holds no human limits. Holmes may be presented as an adventurer, but he is quite a tragicomic character at the end.
I always feel really sorry for S.H at the end of this scene, and how he just tries to act like everything is fine. Mind you , he did have it coming I guess but it was his own weird way of informing his friend of information, since he's used to confrontations. But still, the first half of this movie just feels like S.H is trying to go about his business and live life the way he wants and people are just constantly giving him shit....although I can see where his friends r coming fromtrying to help
i understand that she can be upset about being questioned of leaving her previous husband, but she asked Holmes to! she better expect to have him tell everything!
I totally agree. In fact that's something that they've kind of focused on in the BBC Sherlock - the idea that those two men were really the only ones on a par with each other. In 'Sherlock' they really show a connection between the two, despite them being on opposite sides. It's something I really like about that show.
Mary: "I intend to." Holmes: "And I took that personally because she'd be taking him from ME!" She said she intended to take John and he's like, over my cold, dead body, lol.
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Besides trying to give the impression Mary is a golddigger, Holmes also tries to "unsell" Watson to Mary by suggesting he is a gambler and has "cost us the rent more than once". He really does not want this relationship to develop.
Exactly!! you have actually read the novels unlike many out here... In stories John mentions how he had to restrain his emotions for her until the very end, after sherlock failed to restore the box with it's precious contents..
Good point
They could've gotten someone to play Mary her face just looks weird!!
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I like the cinematography of the first 30 seconds. It underlines why sherlock doesn't enjoy public places and crowds.
+Rochelle AlanSmithee Sherlocks expression of torment is perfect, gives him so much more depth.
Too much information! (for him)
That‘s how i feel when i‘m trying to sleep and there is any noise ... :D
It's the clip I play when I try to explain my condition (Aspergers). It perfectly summarizes the social aspects of it.
Total aspergers moment ....trust me I know
"What do you see?" "Everything. That.. Is my curse"
This reading technique is called cold reading usually used by mentalist
Starting scene , cursed ...)
He sees everything , thats why that's his curse
I hate that movies and TV shows portray him as if he magically sees everything he needs to see, like a wizard, when in the books, Holmes works his arse off for the skills he possesses. He did tons of researches and experiments, trained himself observation and deductions for years before he became the great detective Watson knew and adored.
He’s autistic
I'm not sure if this was pointed out already, but it's pretty cool how Holmes foresaw the discussion ending early as it seems he ordered his food well in advance.
He moved events in that direction, to the extent he could...
As per the overall plan...
U don't want your dinner sullied by wine splashed on your face, he ordered it in advance and to be brought to him after they left...as per the overall plan all along...
Holmes planned it all. That's why just as Watson left his dinner arrived.
sneaky bastard!
+vivi44 holly shit I didnt realized that.
Could be. They have wine but no meal is on the table. Then Mary throws the wine, they depart and suddenly Sherlock gets served his meal (roast beef?). Did he order his meal for one even before he took his seat? He may even have calculated it all in advance as carefully as a chess move in a game with Moriarty.
In fact the way he stares at his watch at the start almost looks as though he is calculating how much time he has to provoke a bust-up with Watson's intended before he gets his meal for one. I do think Holmes is very calculating in this scene. It is true that she asked him to "read" her but if she had not I think Holmes would have concentrated more on the "watch out, dearie, Watson is not a real find" angle he was pushing in the earlier part of the scene.
The real reason he insulted her was because he wanted them to leave before they would find out he already ordered instead of waiting for them. Lol
People in these comments don't get why she was upset. "She asked for it and he gave it to her! Why is she upset?"
It's because Sherlock Holmes is normally very good at the whole induction thing, but this time he let his emotions cloud his judgement. He willfully chose to interpret the information in the worst possible way (that she's a gold-digger) simply because he doesn't like her because she's marrying Watson. It was actually incredibly insulting and disingenuous. And of course because her previous fiance DIED, it was very hurtful as well.
ThaMahstah
gtfo here.. he wasnt emotional, she was. She asked, then get mad... He wasnt there to kiss her ass.
She asked him to make deductions about her by looking at her. She did not ask him to deliberately insult her. Remember, Holmes is a jerk. He's a lovable jerk, but a jerk nonetheless.
+ThaMahstah
Him being right or wrong notwithstanding, a simple "you're wrong, because" would suffice. A real proper lady would not throw her wine on a gentleman and ruin the evening before leaving.
She told him to make assumptions and he did.
I mean borrowing jewelry to make a good impression on her fiance's best friend (not including the fact he's practically famous and you typically wear your best when meeting a celebrity) wouldn't necessarily constitute as a gold digger to me. On top of that, if Holmes deduction was correct, she wore that ring proudly whilst traveling. I feel like a true gold digger would be able to tell that it wasn't as valuable as Holmes said. If nothing else, she would have gotten it appraised early on, to make sure she's getting her worth in gold. I gotta agree with +Mason here, Sherlock's abilities are typically more accurate and less emotionally charged than that. If nothing else, you can tell he's upset about Watson getting married in multiple other scenes. It's not at all a stretch for this to be a form of Sherlock acting out. And who can honestly tell they wouldn't be upset about someone bringing up your dead fiance and claiming you didn't even love him? Besides, he already pointed out that she borrowed the necklace so that right there shows that she's not greedy enough to steal it or going and buying expensive things
There is somebody explaining exactly how it is, not enough obviously, and people start going at it again and again.
When Sherlock saw the ring of light skin on her finger, he could have gone with engaged but seperated and he should have asked what happened as he also only guessed it in the end.
But he couldn't refrain from implying she is a gold digger, which cements his loathing of their marriage and again what a good, honest man Watson, who is his best friend, is.
What it meant to her is being called a whore while having lost somebody she loved.
You idiots.
*EDIT*: To shut down everyone who keeps on saying lyrics because I typed this up a few years ago now and at the time I couldn’t think of the word ‘Subtitles’ for some reason, and lyrics was the only word to come to mind, I have decided to change it so I apologise for that mistake and thank you for all the likes. XD
In case if anyone's wondered, Subtitles for Sherlock speaking to Mary: 2:18 - 3:15
"You're a Governess."
"Well done."
"Yes, well done.. Shall we. Waiter!"
"Your student.Its a boy of eight."
"Charlie is seven actually."
"And he's tall for his age. He flicked you with ink today."
"Is there ink on my face?"
"There is nothing wrong with your face."
"There are two drops on your ear in fact."
“Indie blue is nearly impossible to wash off."
"Anyway, very. impetuous act of that boy, but you're too experienced to act rashly which is why, The lady whom you work lent you that necklace."
“Pearls. Diamonds. Flawless rubies. Hardly gems of a Governess. However. The jewels you are not wearing tells us rather more."
"Holmes!"
"You were engaged. The ring has gone, but the lightness of the skin where it once sat suggests that you spent some time
abroad, wearing it proudly, .that is, until you were informed of its true and rather modest worth, and then you broke of the engagement and returned to, England for better prospects.." *Pause* "A doctor perhaps?"
*Throws wine in Sherlocks face*
You're welcome. :D
Thanks, hard to understand what he's saying.
Ruby not rubies. one big red
you're a goddamn hero
So because there were 2 drop of ink on her ear; Holmes figured out she was a teacher of a 7-8 year old?
David Modesto thx mate
it's very telling how Holmes gets to focus himself and stops hearing all the voices and noises in the restaurant when Watson calls his name
"Well done Old Boy." That line gets me every time.
At 1:20 Sherlock is just so done with Mary’s “I intend to.”
Also this whole scene is one of my favorites,
Mainly because how calculated Sherlock is in this scene.
Those days are behind.
Right behind you
lolololol
0:01 - 0:35 ... this was absolutely the most resonant scene for me. this is exactly why I hate crowds.
I think it is a by-product of his powers of observation. Sometimes he gets sensory overload as he takes in so much.
"Take Watson."
"I intend to."
*Holmes gives her a death glare at that part.
I dont think you understand what exactly is a death glare
I don't think you know what a smile is either
The ending of this makes me so sad - like I know he was kind of harsh to Mary but when he puts on the napkin and starts eating by himself, it's just as if they're making a statement about how his intelligence leaves him always cut off from other people...
Well... he is autistic. And so coupled his intellignce it is not to surprising that he is emotionally distant and hyper obsessive to the few people he is close to.
i always love this scene ... in this scene we can see that even Sherlock Holmes is really good at deduction ... he can still make a wrong assumption ...
Its more like he let his dislike for her cludge his judgmentp
he tried to portray her as bad as possible with the little information he had. he wasn't trying to deduct anything, he just wanted to end the relationship
How i loved that scene, one of the best scenes between Watson and Sherly
Hello mycroft
I guess I am kind of off topic but does anybody know of a good site to watch newly released tv shows online ?
@Forest Kingston flixportal :D
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@Forest Kingston you are welcome xD
Imagine if Sherlock Holmes was on the internet trolling and roasting people based on their comments!😂😂😂
If he lived today he would use the Internet a lot - he is described as acquiring the most extensive and obscure general knowledge by reading, and somebody today could use the Web for that.
Whether he would use it to try and engage with other people, even in a trolling manner - of that I am doubtful.
BBC's Sherlock discovered twitter and went nuts.
Exactly. I also loved the scene between them after Watson is hurt. She was very kind to him even after he treated her this way. She knows Sherlock loves him like a brother and tells him that it wasn't his fault. She's definitely a really good person.
I always feel sorry for Holmes here. He said it was a bad idea, and she insisted. Then she walks away pissed when he says something she doesn't want to hear. Ye Gods, woman. >.>
Yes, and that sad music ? It's the first time we see this character, and the one who died, we will never see him, or hear of him again... Am I supposed to care ?
This scene doesn't show her under a good light, imo.
because she is insist
Gryffix omg yes, such a bitch
Clemmy Magee all women huh?? ALl WoMEn??? Wow, share more wisdom
+Tina Loye Yes. All women.
LMAO I LOVE HOW HOLMES JUST CONTINUED TO EAT HIS DINNER AFTER SHE SPLASHED WINE ON HIM AND STORMED OUT HAHAHAHa I LOVE THAT GUY
Totally bland response. Not upset. But it might have been going to plan for him anyway.
@@stevekaczynski3793 He may have chosen the wrong assumption to make, knowing how she and Watson would react, which would leave him alone for dinner. So he planned to eat alone,
But she insisted...
But he said she was a gold digger when her previous fiance died
And Holmes failed to deliver by letting his emotions take over, rather than just using pure deduction.
Holmes was waiting for her to insist, he calculated it, he started reading Watson, "nice man, but with a gamble problem", he knew she would be curious to hear his deductions about her, he vaguely declines knowing Watson would tell him to do so, but she would insist (after all is the great Sherlock Holmes and Watson's best friend) to which Holmes would use it to ignore Watson's warnings. Holmes even brings the chair closer to her and starts nice, but the moment he mentions the ring he does it to hurt her, to make her angry and maybe he's 100% right, he may have known she would get so angry that she would spill the drink on his face which could be the reason he turned his face away from her at the last second... He knew it so good that after they leave, the waiters inmediately served the food.
@@Yorcont YOU ARE AMAZING CAN WE BE FRIENDS??
Yup, he made her walk right into it!!!
I'm a big Robert Downey Jr. fan but I never felt he would make a good Sherlock. He didn't seem the type to me. After seeing his portrayal I stand corrected and apologize to him for under estimating his acting chops. In truth if one has read the books one realizes that Downey's Sherlock is perhaps the closest to the mark after all !!
+prydonian460 Cumberbatch does an even better job imo. RDJ was great too.
Fuck you
MJ PS I understand that the Cumberbatch version is set in contemporary times . Although it might be a great job the Victorian era setting of the Holmesian legend is also a big draw to me so I'll pass.
+prydonian460
I think Cumberbatch is great actor and portrays amazing private detective/consultant and definitely an interesting character just not Sherlock Holmes. And it's not because of the modern era but because he is literary completely the opposite to the original Conan Doyle characterization of him. he is immature, sociopathic (as he calls himself), completely insensitive, and purposely rude. RDJ portrayed while not perfect and too comedic at times but still Sherlock Holmes. Mycroft and Irene from the movies are MUCH closer to the books
+MJ PS I actually prefer Downey Jr.'s version as I think he has a lot more range, not to mention better acting chops (in my personal opinion) of a Sherlock who's a lot more multifaceted than most other performances of the character I've seen (even moreso than Jeremy Brett). This scene in particular showcases how out of sorts he is as he's pressing on in eating after Watson and Mary leave, he's acting totally normal in terms of the encounter, yet he's tearing up from ruining the dinner for his friend and his fiance.
i love it when she says i intend to then sherlock smiles looking at her like
'bitch,what?'
1:20 that fast smile from Holmes
I would like to title the beginning of this scene a blessing and a curse! Guy Ritchie and everyone who worked on the movie this scene would be the reality of what it would be like to be Sherlock Holmes! GENIUSES!
He talks so damn fast... and the subtitles are hilariously incorrect...
+Helen Cheung the subtitles are RUclips's.
I'm aware. That's why it's funny. Thanks.
that's so you can't figure out he's actually American !! but seriously Downey does a good job at playing history's greatest detective !! this was an exciting update of the tale of SHERLOCK HOLMES !!
thats why i never read the subs...... they are so incorrect it pisses me off and want to punch the person who made the texting. and its incorrect in every fucking thing that has subtitles... Why is noone correcting the fuckers that makes the subs???
I watched a bit of this movie today, and honestly RDJ is a much better Holmes than I remember. I'm not 100% on the look or how he's written, but the actual performance is pretty damn good. That lean and the hand thing at 2:14 reminds me a little of Jeremy Brett.
The look? What? And best written amazingly
She insisted that Sherlock read her, not insult her. There is a difference, and Sherlock knows it.
Well that finger didn't have enough time to be of the same color all of it again.. So there was some true on what he said 😂😂😂
“I didn’t leave him, he died.” That’s from an insult.
I like this Holmes better than Benedict's. The latter is a superhero whereas RDJ's and the original books' Sherlock is a simple man with an astute observational ability, but having all the common human flaws.
I think he was jealous of her, annoyed at the idea of Watson getting married and was trying to push Watson away from her.
Steve Kaczynski at the some point in the book, yes he reject it
No shit Sherlock
Annnnnnd that's why he has no friends...other than Watson
PHX Lin “I don’t have FRIENDS, I only have one.”
People don't like it when you see through them, even if you don't do it jackass style like Sherlock. ❤
@@krishna9438 exactly. This is one of the main reasons why phenomenally socially savvy men have far less friends than most people assume.
This just occurred to me. If he gets his food at the table right after, that means he ordered before the couple arrived. Maybe he knew she'd storm out and he'd be eating alone anyway, so he timed everything.
Well she asked for it.. Go Sherlock
I don't know why but there's just something about Merry's eyes that are just captivating I think it may be the emotion she conveys with her glances.
Love this actress, she's mesmerizing
Don't waste good wine. That's alcohol abuse.
I mean, to be fair, he only did what she asked of him.
I think if it weren't for his comments about her dead fiance, she wouldn't have been so angry. Sure, she seemed flustered when he started going on about her borrowed necklace, but then he touched a sore spot and that's what set her off. I hardly blame her.
Sometimes its more important to be tactful and polite, than always be right.
ScoopMeisterGeneral She asked him to show her what he could understand about her life, not to insult her calling her a golddigger based upon anything but his (wrong) intuitions.
I don't think Holmes was trying to be mean, he was just making a statement and assumption by what he saw. She was the one that challenged him and she insisted so he answered. Of course he could have answered in a nicer way I suppose.
AdeptKing wasn’t trying to be mean? That’s the whole point of this scene. He’s afraid of losing Watson.
Never leave the food
3:20, 3:35 and 3:41 may be my favorite part of the movie.
John shows that he truly admires Holmes for Holmes being Holmes.
You can tell that he really cares about him.
Interesting little Easter egg they threw in with Mary's borrowed necklace. Her original book counterpart is in fact the rightful owner of some priceless pearls and jewels.
I used to think that Mary was wrong for getting upset like that (because I was thinking "Well, she insisted!"). But, then I realized that first of all, Holmes didn't have to mention a word about her former engagement. I also realized that he was indeed trying to stop Watson from getting married (I never believed that he had tried to do that the first few times that I saw this movie). Finally, you can see at the end by the look in his face that he knows what he did was wrong and not needed.
As much as I like the Sherlock Holmes character I feel sad for the woman losing someone she loved and Holmes immediately triggered her.
I love that fact tho even with his deduction skills he had no way to know her last husband to be died.
I love how they articulate, with and without the fangs.
Rather than asking for it like a a lot of people have said, I think she wasn't expecting it to get so personal and the insult about her previous husband/fiance was the final straw. Is it me or is the way she says, "He didn't leave me. He died." so heartbreaking?
Oh c'mon Holmes and Watson warned her, but she just had to insist.
If you notice, his dinner was brought out *Right* after the interaction. He had ordered far before they showed up. Either he *knew* that something he would say would end in them leaving, or he planned for it to be so. Either way, astute.
Why was I thinking of this scene a few days ago and now it's recommended to me? GET OUT OF MY HEAD GOVERNMENT.
"The lady insists"
Compared to the BBC tv series, this Watson is better and so is this Mary. Also, this Sherlock. The only thing that the tv series did better is Mycroft.
On another note: Am I the only one who is perfectly happy with whomever is playing the role of Sherlock? I've never seen a bad actor portray this character. Even when Brent Spiner was playing Data playing Sherlock, I was impressed by it. Probably because he's so iconic and the actors who take on the role always feel a sense of obligation to inject their own style, while trying to pay homage to a brilliant writer who didn't know how popular his creation would be come.
I think Pete Holmes did an incredible job also. ruclips.net/video/eKQOk5UlQSc/видео.html
Also, I love how when Mary asks Holmes to read her and he obliges, he pulls up his chair and stares! LOL!
The lady: I insist
Us: “so you have chosen death.”
I like this scene. Sherlock knew that was going to happen that's the reason he arrived early and his meal came out just when they left.
I like how he continues on with his dinner. XD
The way Mary catches Holmes off guard with the "I intend to" comment is hilarious... his face is just like SHIT GOT REAL. And then right after he offends both her AND Watson, he just tucks into his food! Priceless.
The embarrassment on Watson's face throughout the whole scene is just brilliant.
Why ,why,why,why do movie makers and t.v.producers insist that Mary Morston was a SURPRISE to Holmes?.In The Sign of Four she hired Holmes.She met and fell in love with Watson during this time.
1:21, what a true smile!
Everyone is always saying how they feel bad for Holmes in this scene. I think he was a jerk. i understand that he is good a reading people but i think Mary showed him that he can be wrong. He thinks he is infallible, when in reality sometimes his "grand assumptions" are wrong. Yes Mary was engaged, and yes the ring was cheap, but his assumption that she is a gold digger who wanted "better prospects" of marrying a "doctor" aren't true because she in fact loved the man she was engaged to and she didn't leave him because he was poor, he died. This makes her out to be so much better than Holmes thought she was. I don't feel bad for him at all. He "assumed" and it backfired on him.
Well, his judgement was clouded. His bias lead him to deducing the worst possible likelihoods of why the former Mrs Morstan was no longer married.
Holmes disliked Mary, and irrationally perceived that she was here to steal Watson away. His best friend, and only real friend I must add.
Feeling insecure about himself, and again, biased in his dislike of Mary. A deadly combination, corrupting his logic. Desiring to find some flaw that may sabotage their relationship, he thus arrived at his false conclusion. The conclusion: That Mary had run away with her previous husband's money.
Therefore your conclusion that Holmes was, to quote, "a jerk", is indeed correct. As he cared less about the overall happiness of his best friend than he did about being left alone. The result of his inability to make friends. But as I have revealed, the reasons as to why Mr Holmes is a jerk, are not necessarily for the reasons that you listed.
+Justine Rennekamp
Why would he be kind to her? He never hid his dislike from Watson and didn't want to meet her to begin with. Moreover, what if she really was a gold digger and he guessed right in that instance? She could have killed her husband for all we know and played innocent sad widow. Adler by the way is a gold digger and a thief so Holmes already has a skewed view of women. It's understandable he would assume the worst. And what if he said it all on purpose to see her reaction so he could see her true colours?
Sherlock is smart as hell I think he read her wrong on purpose to piss her and Watson off and come in between them so that they wouldn't see eachother anymore and eat alone...funny as hell actually
BRAVO!!!🤗
First she thought he is dump but then he started disclosing her like an expert then she got feared. Her insist to him was a bad choice.
To me, Holmes didn't like Mary before meeting her. If the conversation had started differently I'm sure he would've said something else offensive towards Mary. She did insist on him deducing her but Holmes was just looking for an excuse to "catch" Mary acting shady anything that would make her look bad to Watson who seems like he already knew about Mary's last fiancee. This just shows just how personal and rude Holmes' deductions can be which is canon to the books, right?
I love Mary. She's so badass, especially in Game of Shadows.
"FASHIONABLE-LY"?
OMG, I just realized of something. The word "Fashion" came up in the 20's.
Nina Tabbal 'Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months.' - Oscar Wilde (d. 1900)
David Worsley-Tonks oh god I deserved to die for not knowing exactly the origin of a word that doesn't beling to my own language which is spanish. I'm gonna kill myself
Nina Tabbal Try 'for asserting as fact something I didn't bother checking'.
MagnificentFiend jesus, you're the google generation, right? You think I have the time in the world to check a thing related to language? I need to clean, to cook and keep writing my thesis and you ask to check a thing related to language while I have to communicate in english because I don't get all the info I need in spanish here in the internet??
MagnificentFiend and how is it a comment, an innocent comment woke up a troll like you. I was just watching a video and I thought fashionable was an english word because of reasons you should at least suppose. I learned to talk in english. but I won't learn it completely unless it's really important for my life, which won't be, because I doubt that Ill visit an english speaker country sometime in my life because I'm afraid the people in it will think I'm gonna syteal ther wallets because my skin is darker than yours.
Fck you
Even in the new Sherlock, it's stated that there is always something he gets wrong. I'm glad that even though they are two completely separate media, there is still a parallel.
Be careful what you wish for, Mary. Also, be careful which of your fiancee's friends you wish to meet, especially the ones that your significant other might describe as "crazy".
I love the little confused mumbling at 2:05! What can you tell about me? You? I don't think that's... I don't know that that's... Not at dinner. Perhaps some other time. I insist. You insist? You remember we discussed this? The lady insists. Brilliant!
Love how he just casually eats the chicken afterwards xD
Take Watson for instance
(I intend to)
Never heard one that good in a British movie or show
And Holme's veiled uncomfortable laugh...
And Robert did an amazing job at his reaction, anger, hurt, jealousy...and fear, so much fear.
by far my favorite scene in this movie.
In Holmes’ defense, Mary did insist.
I like how in the end Sherlock still eats without them and then it cuts off to the bar fight
Me too. The expression on his face and eyes show some kind of intense sadness that's hidden from everyone.
Great show, thank you You Tube.
One interesting fact. The moment they went servants came with the plate but only for him. As if he warned them in advance that they won't be staying.
As if he knew what was going to happen.
Sad.
By the end of the video, you realize how much of a socially awkward penguin Holmes really is.
Rule #1 : Don't ask Sherlock to analyze you if you can't take the heat.
beautiful.. 'just' beautiful..
He didn't really insult her. He naturally sees crooks everywhere..that's his problem.
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Thank you for all of the thumbs up for my previous post on this video, but what does Sherlock say right at the end before Mary throws the wine in his face? Someone please respond. For the life of me, I can't understand what he's saying.
David Modesto "doctor perhaps"
Really? Is that what he says? O_O Oh thanks man, That's been driving me nuts for weeks. xD :3
Since there are butthurt meninists aplenty in this comment section wondering why women like to hurt their poor little feelings so much, let me explain why Mary reacted the way she did. What she asked Sherlock to do is to analyze her, so determine what she does for work ("you're a governess" "well done!") and what kind of day she's had ("your student flung ink at you." "*surprised gasp*") and that sort of thing. Things about her current life, not her life story. He could have stopped there and they'd all had a nice dinner and gone home. However, he proceeded to tell her that she's broke as hell and the jewels she's wearing are borrowed because her salary sure couldn't buy anything that extravagant. He basically called her bougie. He then proceeds to reveal her engagement to another man and accuse her of being a gold digger who is only dating Watson because his position as a doctor makes him the killing that could potentially result in her OWNING such jewels, not borrowing them. She became insulted because she is NOT a gold digger as he accused, but she is no longer engaged to her husband because he is dead.
Are we all set here?
'What about me' were her exact words, uttered after having, herself, just witnessed Holmes expose Watson's gambling - a somewhat unflattering quality. She challenged Sherlock by inferring that his assumptions were somehow fraudulent, flawed and, having watched him dissect Watson, previously informed. He proved that they [his deductions] weren't. There was never any arrangement as to what was or wasn't off limits, however. She challenged Holmes to assess her, and this he did. It's not his fault that he picked up on what she otherwise would have kept hidden, regardless of whether he was 100% right or not. Holmes is blatantly autistic/different and she was wrong to not factor that in, to disrespect him in a way that would have been deemed reprehensible had the situation had been reversed (can you imagine a brilliant female astutely dissecting a man and being treated to a glass of wine to her face for her trouble?) and to do so publicly.
And I like Mary.
He didn't judge her. He made a statement. And as cold as this statement may be (And seemed wrong, since she said the person died), she didn't say clearly what was her intention (You did your own interpretation on what she meant by asking him to analyze her. For all I know, she maybe considered at the time that Holmes was a joke or a lunatic), and so, Holmes made a complete response, which seems to be the ''safest'' way to respond to a person who is being vague.
I add : Regarding @dominateolderwomen's response, I agree with this person.
Same goes for Matthew R, who brings (It seems) precisions about her previous husband.
mortic0n She could have corrected him without the immature reaction of throwing wine at him and continued the "nice dinner"
Sergio M
not that I want to defend her (I did respond to this earlier) but It may be asking too much xD
But yeah, I agree with you.
SMV L Right, she can't get angry about someone calling her a gold digger, when she is actually a widow?
I just love these Sherlock Holmes movies !! Robert Downey junior does such a spectacular job !❤ Actually all the actors !
They met at Holmes favorite restaurant which meant that the staff already knew what he liked, that's why his dinner was brought to him. He doesn't want Watson and Mary together because he doesn't want to lose his friend and given the time, he knows she has a somewhat unfavorable past and may be deceiving his friend. Fortunately, Watson already knew about it.
El hecho de que comiera solo al final también puede significar que ya sabía lo que iba a pasar.
Thank you, oh so much.
0:28 me when I eat dinner with people. My ears are so sensitive that I can hear my brother chewing a sandwhich across the table and him sloshing it down with water. Then add in the clinkering of plates, glasses, and siverware...
Thanks!
The final shot of Holmes beginning to eat to eat: he seems to realize he has been such a jerk and he's ashamed of himself. That's how I interpret that awkward look on his face.
I perceived this scene as showing that Holmes is really, really bad at everything outisde his immediate field of knowledge.
He simply has a very different set of feelings, lots of them severely lowered.
He is a character who has obvious psychosis - functional OCD, excellent memory .. he thrives in a lot of fields, as opposed to people who are savants (who excel in one field, but debilitate other skills).
Holmes simply is shown he goes insane alone, he notices everything. Watson is his voice of reason.
He confronts his to-be-wife in some way, but again holds no human limits.
Holmes may be presented as an adventurer, but he is quite a tragicomic character at the end.
that beginning moment wraps up having aspergers syndrome perfectly
I always feel really sorry for S.H at the end of this scene, and how he just tries to act like everything is fine. Mind you , he did have it coming I guess but it was his own weird way of informing his friend of information, since he's used to confrontations. But still, the first half of this movie just feels like S.H is trying to go about his business and live life the way he wants and people are just constantly giving him shit....although I can see where his friends r coming fromtrying to help
i understand that she can be upset about being questioned of leaving her previous husband, but she asked Holmes to! she better expect to have him tell everything!
well from what I can analyze, he had been waiting for quite some time for them to arrive that he went ahead and ordered dinner for himself.
Right at the end, that is a strange way to put steak into your mouth.
I totally agree. In fact that's something that they've kind of focused on in the BBC Sherlock - the idea that those two men were really the only ones on a par with each other. In 'Sherlock' they really show a connection between the two, despite them being on opposite sides. It's something I really like about that show.
i love how he can just eat all properly with wine still on his face
Often those little details that fray beneath the seems.
A very subtle way of saying "I don't want you marrying Watson" 🤣
Mary: "I intend to."
Holmes: "And I took that personally because she'd be taking him from ME!"
She said she intended to take John and he's like, over my cold, dead body, lol.
Well done!
Watching this scene makes me want the third film NOW! Downey is a great Holmes. ( Cumberbetch is too.)
atleast they dident end this scene with "check please". this truely is a perfect film.
so if this is the first meeting between Holmes and Mary Morstan, does that mean that the sign of four never took place in this chronology?
This is non cannon