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@Ebikeschool I'm all the way in South Africa and would like to get my hands on these. I've come to trust your reviews on these machines. Are you open to sharing where you order them from? I would want to buy from you but you mentioned you're only servicing North America at the moment
These machines look fantastic. I worked in landscaping for many years and 6 hour is plenty of run time for a 8-10 hour workday (machines never run all day straight). These would make the jobsite so much more comfortable (diesel engine really cooks you in the summer).
Bear in mind that these do not use lithium batteries. The lead acid ones they have really should not be discharged below 50%, ideally less than that. So I'd say run time is more like 3 hours, assuming light-ish use like what he did here.
Incredible what we could do here on our 5 acres with just the smaller loader and a few attachments. This is a great review, and your dad's property is the perfect demo site. I'm sold. Thanks.
Micah great job on leading the charge on the electric revolution! I was an out of shape middle aged dude then I stumbled across some of your videos. I got an e-bike and use it as my daily commuter snow or sunshine. I've dropped 3 pant sizes, have more energy, but I'm still middle aged. I also have a few years experience operating diesel loaders and look forward to trying a Neshar loader!
they already exist, though they lack the lift capacity to carry a full pallet of pavers or sod etc they are 36in wide and can lift 1000 w a tip capacity of 3000lb. theres many models from vermeer, Kubota, ditch witch and bobcat to name some. the slightly larger models can lift sod or pavers while being the same width if not smaller than the machine in the video....ditch witch has its sk1550 with a tip capacity up to 5600lb at 46in width, Vermeer has its ctx160 with a width of 42in and a tip capacity of 4500lb.... if your set on an articulated loader well vermeer has one at 45in of width with a 2000lb lift capacity....bobcat also has one though admittedly its weaker than both vermeer this nesher one
You have your foot in the door of a great enterprise! i am looking to build a new home on an acre site and I can see me needing a loader with multiple attachments. As a previous machine operator it's very nice to see someone concerned about the environment and construction equipment needs to change too. Lawnmowers first then on to the snowplow!
lol. Can you explain the environment friendly process of mining the lithium and cobalt for the batteries here…which have to be thrown away after 10-15 years?
@@FlyingAceAV8B Well, first off they're AGM batteries, more than 98% recyclable, but all batteries can be recycled to some extent. Redwood Materials is building a plant outside Charleston NC. that will employ 1500 people to recycle lithium ion batteries, 100% recyclable.
Great work Micah! Being an ebike enthusiast, I've been following your videos for several years and I'm really pleased to see you start this company and the ethics behind it. Kudos to your mum and dad for that too. I wish you every success.
I’m so surprised you are from Florida and you don’t hate China given the state of the media in US. As a Chinese living overseas it’s very refreshing to see and up lifting.
Dude, you're very a hands-on guy. Preparing a whole manual for those machines really impressed me. Good luck with your new venture. One piece of advise I have for you though is, (and I'm sure you already have this covered), to make sure you have an ironclad noncompete agreement with your suppliers. Otherwise, once you've made these machines popular, they might start bringing them in directly and undercutting your prices. Not saying you shouldn't trust them, but have your back covered anyway. We've seen such in most African countries.
6 Hours is pretty darn good. For snowplowing I think I would modify that blade a bit as it doesn't seem like it would do that great, but I could be wrong. More of a snow pusher would be a better idea I would think. Have you ever thought about bringing in towable boom lifts or such? I see a ton listed on a few of the sites they come in battery power and A/C which is amazing for home owners that don't want to use ladders to reach high areas.
Omg, you addressed everything.... I have learned a lot from this single video than i would have ever had in any management course... Your work ethics is impeccable ❤❤❤ You are a good businessman, i hope you succeed.....
If I needed one of these I would buy it from you Micah. Your honesty and transparency has always shined through. I have enjoyed your videos for years now, and it's so good to see you capitalizing on the honest reputation you have built over those years. Peace brother! ✅👍☮️
I purchased a 3,000# mini excavator from china at the end of last year. I am quite pleased with my purchase. I got mine from a company named VOTE Machinery. I got the VTW-18S with an enclosed cab, Kubota D209 diesel engine, and a hydraulic thumb. I have made a few upgrades, but the tractor is very sound in it's construction and easy of operation. My favorite feature is the enclosed cab. Next is the expanding track width (40" to 48"), which allows back yard access through a standard sized fence gate. Minor but important improvements: More and better lighting, improved range of movement of the hydraulic thumb, I added a 2" receiver hitch to the center top of the blade, and more powerful drive motors for the tracks. I am working on designing a more convenient track tensioning system for the rubber tracks. Good luck with your endeavors. I enjoy watching your videos.
Interesting, could be fun for small stuff. We recently had a 5 day power outage and the roads around us had trees and power lines down. I used my diesel tractor for many hours helping to clear the fallen trees and allow people to get out of the dead end road that leads to ours and 17 neighbors properties. I wouldn't have wanted to only have electric equipment, although I could have recharged them with my generator, diversity of fueling is a must in emergency situations.
Wow, what wonderful machines. I can see a lot of uses for these, using regular batteries instead of lithium will make these easy to maintain in the future.
You definitely need to do a colab video with @tractortimewithtim He tested a solectrac and does a lot of work with subcompacts. He's also a retired computer engineer, so he's not afraid of new tech. Great idea for a company!
Please make sure the green on the original equipment matches all new stuff you bring in.. I love that green and it remind me of the construction transformers from when I was a kid. Love the videos, can't wait to be in a spot to pick on of these machines up.
If you ever get a tractor with a three point linkage as well I’d be very interested! Do a lot of market garden construction and contracting and I’d love to get away from diesel. Also the ability to brush hog or flail…..
Love this business venture you're embarking on. Absolutely a needed service. Customer service means thinking ahead and meeting needs and creating solutions before problem happen. ❤
One little upgrade to have on those is to make sure the battery charger is lithium compatible. If i had one of those machines and in like 5 years (or however long it takes), the agm batteries went out, i would prefer to change them to lithium. (it might need some weight added to the back tho)
They get too light with Lithiums in them, we had to add weight to our units after doing a lithium swap (we bought 6 units from the same OEM.) In our service, full 8 hour shifts, we killed the batteries in ~300-500 cycles, with operator training (and our own management system) restricting the batteries to 80% discharge. So about 1-2 years. We ended up developing our own battery pack vs just buying random units in similar form factors. There's no real point in including a lithium compatible charger, given the cost difference of a good UL certified unit, and lack of a standard replacement. There's no way to know how users would modify them to support lithium. So not worth the liability to ship them 'lithium ready' unless he develops a standard kit.
@BadHaddy thanks for the feedback. I said like 5 years, with it being used for odd jobs around a small farm (not replacing a tractor), a homestead, or similar setting, what way, it would get much longer longevity compared to daily use of 8h shifts
@@volvo24091no it's not, i do camper conversions an lithium is superior to agm or lead, lighter, more compact, more energy dense, higher discharge rate, etc, just has the downside of a higher price point but it makes up for it in longevity
I do a flat trade for my bobcat for one of these honestly. Just the idea of having all the electricity in case of a power outage. I know it takes some kind of DIY solution but that would be really cool to just have it fully charged in the winter if the power goes out hook up my electrical contraption and boom at least have heat in the house and a few lights and internet.
Oh man that part is not hard. Just make sure you have a large enough gauge wire for DC transmission, and a conduit-shielded wireway i to the home (or thru-plug). What I would caution: heat is actually very demanding of the batteries, but it's totally not hard--just will be a big drain. PTC heater-fam combos are common car parts. The internet is easier and will last longer too. Either get a DC-DV transformer or get an inverter, some sensitive electronics need a pure sine wave inverter, which is more expensive.
So you'll probably consume less than the 500W at continuous runtime, but it's hard to say. I'm guessing your heat source is a combustion fuel: these will still need a fan motor (for air supply and/or exhaust) and controller to function, which you'll need to add to your electrical load, but these should be much less than your rad pump(s).@@hotrodhunk7389
These units use lead-acid batteries, not lithium, so they can't be discharged below 50% without damage. IIRC, I think there are 9 KWh of juice in the batteries in one loader. I don't know if that accounts for the discharge limitation or is the full capacity, but either way, that isn't all that much power for running a house. A space heater would deplete that in 6 hours, or 3 if you don't want to damage the batteries.
I can't wait for the one that can lift 3000lbs!!! I currently have a JDeere 1025R & have many pallets around my property of Pavers, Stone thinys, Cinder Blocks. Each pallet of them weight about 3k lbs so I am dead in the water over here with my limited JDeere capacity. Hurry, get them in Plse!
wow congrats, great business idea and model. I had purchased a China made flail mower it was a BEAST the biggest issue was abuse second biggest issue was parts availability great job with ordering spare parts. Best of luck. Sharing.
Once I close on the property I’m buying I will be ordering one of these machines from you. I worked in construction and landscaping for many years and having an electric machine at my home would be ideal for many tasks
Having had a diesel mini excavator in our back garden, having had the same work done with an electric alternative would have been a lot quieter and less smelly. Also the fine control and reliability that electric drive gives cannot be underestimated.
Thanks for the info on your new venture. Like like fun machines for the occasional user. Keep up the content, and I'm still waiting and entering for my free e-bike
Looking forward to the excavator video. You probably already have the first batch, but one of the most useful things to me on an excavator is a good hydraulic thumb.
This is a very very cool idea. I kind of wish this was a Canadian thing. There are a lot of rural farms out here that would probably benefit greatly by these where you're not using them daily for like 8-10 hours a day constantly without breaks, and the attachments are really standard and cool. Bobcats are SOOooo expensive. This would be perfect. Edit: Of course after I comment I see the part about trying to come to Canada. :) Good to hear :D
Thanks Micah! I was curious about electric loaders in the US. We were going to build an outdoor RC car track a couple years ago and a little Nesher would be perfect. (We didn't, life happened.) Would have been nice for sure...
I've been looking for a multi-use machine to manage an off-grid property, kept landing on having to buy ($$$) a skid steer and a mini excavator to meet all my needs (road maintenance, trenching, hole digging, wood lot, forestry, towing, snow removal, ect)... This seems to have hit the sweet spot. Imagine getting an enclosed cab and tracks? It would be Unstoppable. Would be super interested to see how this could hold up to a Canadian winter. Happy to collaborate and test it out for you ;)
This video is great. Just to comment that a bobcat is generally going to be able to move 2x as much weight over those hours a day so its not a 1:1 comparison, but the price point is justified for your target buyers for sure - this can also fit into smaller spaces.
a modular battery assembly that can be swapped with a fully charged one might also be good for longer operations and making battery maintenance easier, perhaps even onboarding the charger for simplicity. also a snow blower attachment?
Looks like these have some Promise. I am actually looking for a front loader to be able to move snow when we get lake effect in Buffalo, NY. Reading the comments below most people have a lot of the same questions. How will the battery hold up in low temps. Most people are interested in the 4 degree to 25 degree range.....yes some parts of Canada and the NW USA get sub zero....but I think sub zero you need diesel or gas as batteries are going to struggle in that kind of temp. Secondly, the Li swap....being lighter is not a huge issue as you can add weight to the back bumper to compensate....Or just add more Li to extend run time and range. Now what would really get me salivating is having a cab on the smallest unit for dealing with the cold and winds, second is the ability to charge from a 220 car charger (didn't see anyone ask about this). If it takes 6 hours to charge on 110, you could probably charge it in 2 hours with a car charger. Not sure if you would have to go Li, but for those of us in snow country we are mostly looking at snow removal and outfitting it for cold weather. Having the smaller model with some heat, a cab and ability to fast charge would be huge.
I was just going to fire off an email about will there be electric mini excavators in the future. Wow this is fantastic hopefully you will have one with pilot controls soon. Looking forward to your future videos.
Did you forget the DET fluid in your diesel time cost. That extra expense to meet emissions really ticks people off. The low noise is really nice for working in town. Less annoying for the owner and neighbours. Nice products
A few issues with the snow plow attachment, for snow and ice, rubber cutting edges are not effective, you really want hard steel, second the plow you have seems to lack trip springs and plow shoes to help float the plow across the ground and not accidentally turn into a bulldozer. I imported this same machine with a Kubota diesel engine and had the factory make me a snow plow and ran into these exact same issues.
I would definately love to see a fully enclosed version of these with a heat pump system in it for heating and cooling. Also maybe a version that is slightly more standard tractor like with the 3 point system on the back of it with a swivel seat and controls that work forward and backward (so probably 90% joystick based movement/turning)
You could potentually try to design an electric PTO that hooks directly up to the attachment instead of it having 2 U joints. but that is if you want to be hyper efficient.
I would love to have something like this with an auger that can drill into rock for fence posts and such. I feel like the weight of the batteries and the relatively low power application would be perfect for that.
I see these as the Ryobi of heavy equipment. They’re actually pretty nice machines that get the job done at reasonable prices. Plus the color doesn’t hurt.
As a way you could improve the loaders coming from someone who works on a farm driving one daily I'd suggest to put an arm rest with the joystick on the end attached to the seat so it moves with you and so that you would have more steady control over the boom of the loader for driving on uneven ground because I'd imagine it would be hard enough working daily in one and the joystick low down while you higher up whilst somewhat bouncing around I could be wrong but I'd still rather have the joystick built into an armrest built into a suspension seat and would near put me off getting one but apart from that it some pice of equipment for the money and it's capability
Had no idea these were a thing and I want one. We will be getting a little hobby farm in the next year and am looking forward to getting in thouch with your company when the time comes.
Thanks for mentioning about the life cycle charge and discharge. Many people still thinks that it is the best to charge @ 10% to 100% (90% of charged) and if someone charge @55% to 100% twice (which work out to be 90%) is considered 2 charge life cycle, which is not true. Allowing your battery to be discharge until extremely low will cause damage to the battery
I have owned a few towable bucket (cherry pickers), two gas (40' + 56') and two battery powered (40'). Battery power is the way to go, quiet, usable indoors and lighter. Now retired, interested in something like your articulated tractor.
I live on a pistachio ranch in California. We use an auger pretty often, and our backhoe is honestly too large for the trenches we make. It's currently down for repairs 😕 If there were an attachment for dragging the ground to pull weeds out of the orchard that would be great! I like how narrow the machines are since it would need to fit in between rows of trees. As always, thanks for the great content. Imma buy your solar book soon.
a word of caution about the snowplow. they normally have trip protection or whatever you call it where if it catches it can tip forward and release what it caught to prevent damage. whats keeping it from just tipping all the time ate some pretty beefy springs
Why agm, lifpo4 are so cheap now. 12V 100 Ah for less then $190. Can discharge to 5%. Just don't charge it at 0F. Or buy ones with self heating. 3000-10000 charge cycles
These look great! I'd probably get one of these to replace my current tractor when it breaks If the attachment plate is the same as a John Deere so I can reuse my existing loader attachments.
Excellent . A Rock Breaker and a trencher attachment and a point claw attachment would be essential in my work and location. I looked at the digging pressure on your site 16 MPA , for the excavator attachment , and that's about 2300ish PSI? That is quite a bit lower ( half that) of a gas powered mini excavator or backhoe. Having an upgrade for the hydraulic pressure would be great , especially for areas with hard and rocky soil..Maybe you can do a digging test through really compact 300-500 psi ground with lots of rock?... next to a mini X? might be a good test to run..I'm sure it would be easy to engineer the hydraulic system to compete with a mini X or backhoe with a few engineered components....otherwise itb might not be very practical out here in the desert south west where we have 300 psi soils ( unlike Florida digging through sand) ...but I know it could be engineered with the right tweeks to keep up. Please show the digging test..the MPA through reallu compact earth next to a mini x.thanks
nice equipment glad your eventually coming to canada...those containers would make a slick garage to store them in a few panels on the roof for charging them win win situation
Looks like a pretty nice lineup of equipment your starting to sell. If I ever end up getting property and moving out of the city I'd probably look into investing in one of these.
This is a very versatile machine good for so many task! Yeah, great idea to install some solar panels on the roof of the vehicle which can increase the running time for users in sunny regions and cut down the electricity charges further!
I can see the smaller version being useful to do yard work on livestock farms. In winter (in many parts of Europe) we have to keep cattle indoors due to the cold and also because of no food in the fields. That means cowsheds that need to be cleaned out, or mucked out as we say, every day. No one really wants to introduce diesel fumes and create a lot of noise around their livestock unnecessarily and it isn't work that you would do all day either. The only disadvantage with the type of machine that you have is that it pivots on its centre to steer. That means that you have to be very careful turning next to a wall which you would be if mucking out a cowshed. That problem has nothing to do with how the vehicle is powered however. The snowplough attachment would be brilliant for mucking out and also for pushing up feed closer to where the cattle feed to reduce waste. You obviously wouldn't want to use the same mucking out tool to do that though. I am not convinced that the battery technology is where it needs to be for passenger vehicles just quite yet, but for machines like this and work such as I've described, it is already good enough.
The "manual" I can relate to a little, back in 2008 I bought a $1300 dollar twist and go scooter from an online usa seller but from Shanghai region of China, but since I had studied Mandarin in Taiwan a very long time ago for three years, I was able to read the English with the oddities of word choice, and order of words reasonably well/ funny problems in international business / and customers. (I put about 4,000 miles on that during that $5 dollar /gallon gas period, before giving it to my father in law in Del Rio Texas)
Regarding the shipping container; have you considered selling it as both part of delivery and modified to be a storage/charging station? Wiring in a power box with both shore power hook-ups and solar charging from roof panels shouldn't be too difficult. I realize that this would be complex from a liability point of view, but it could be done as a DIY kit set-up, similar to how kit planes are sold, much assembly required, but instructions included. This idea came to me after Colin Furze converted a ride-on mower to electric, then knocked together a storage/charging shed from pallets with solar charging on the roof.
Nice idea you have going there, with the EV equipment. I can see the big guys like BobCat and Kubota going the EV way too. So when are you going to make a battery with some 280AH Lifepo4 batteries? 😁
I think JCB has some electric equipment already. The price point is what’s gonna make the difference. If these are made well enough, they’ll sell good. Almost like Harbor Freight tools sell really good, even though they are not the name brand tools that some people swear by.
EXCELLENT changing the sight glass!!! You will NEED shoes to plow snow! Get in touch if you need/want to chat about shoes... Sorry to say, but these are still out of my price range.... I just bought an AGT H12. You might have an opportunity to provide an auger head that will go on the AGT mini excavators and run off the aux hydraulic port. I haven't yet seen the attachments I want, maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place......
I expected they have LiFePo4 batteries in them. I highly recommend to replace them (if the lead acids are gone) with LFP-batteries. Even if the initial costs are a bit higher, you save a lot of money (at least 2/3 less costs over all), cause they last 10 times more cycles, and they can be discharged completely without damaging them. With same usable capacity LFPs are 2,4 times smaller. Only thing to keep in mind is they just can be charged above zero degree celsius (discharge is allowed at lower temperatures) and they give less counterweight.
Would be cool to get these with an LFP option for customers that would be using these for more than 1 shift per day. Would easily pay for itself quickly in cycle life.
The AGM batteries in these have a VERY short service life, a year or two tops, in my experience. 500 cycles if you don't go below 80% DOD. Operators need additional training to not run these units under 20% charge, and developed a battery management system to keep operators from flatlining the batteries and wrecking them. We imported half a dozen from the same OEM and developed our own LFP packs for them as well. We're not selling any of our work, really, the liability isn't worth it to us, but the machines overall are serviceable minus the battery packs, and the supplied packs are okay as long as you train your operators well. We swapped the controllers with real Curtis ones (it's basically a golf cart controller) so we could program voltage levels, etc.
Have you swapped to lithium on any machine yet? Lithium is readily available in batteries today thanks to RV industry. Unlike AGM, lithium can be discharged to complete empty without damaging the battery. Effectively doubling your run time. Most offer 10 year warranties as well. Higher upfront cost, sure, but cheaper in the long run and much more convenience.
Interesting machine, looks like a minimized copy of an articulated loader I had years ago called a 'Swinger', even down to it's' green paint. Had heavy use from it and very few problems. Used it for lots of snow and had a bucket that was twice as big as the dirt bucket. Good run time for 'warm weather' wonder what would happen in the '20's F, or below. Adding heated cab might really lower run time.
Im conserned about battery life in cold weather. I used to own an electric mini excavator but I made the mistake of storing it outside the first winter and it totalled the batteries. Maybe a little insulating cover and a little heating element with a temp sense for when its plugged in as an optional addition you can buy? We ended up just putting Fiberglass insulation around the batteries on mine and set the batteries on a heating pad with an in line temp shut off.
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@Ebikeschool I'm all the way in South Africa and would like to get my hands on these. I've come to trust your reviews on these machines. Are you open to sharing where you order them from? I would want to buy from you but you mentioned you're only servicing North America at the moment
i think 6 hours is ALOT, thats awesome!!
these machines deserve their own reddit... =]
These machines look fantastic. I worked in landscaping for many years and 6 hour is plenty of run time for a 8-10 hour workday (machines never run all day straight). These would make the jobsite so much more comfortable (diesel engine really cooks you in the summer).
plus charging over lunch
Thanks for saving me the time to have to watch the whole video
Bear in mind that these do not use lithium batteries. The lead acid ones they have really should not be discharged below 50%, ideally less than that. So I'd say run time is more like 3 hours, assuming light-ish use like what he did here.
@@bmay8818 I thought they used lithium batteries. Am beginning to change my mind about buying
Incredible what we could do here on our 5 acres with just the smaller loader and a few attachments. This is a great review, and your dad's property is the perfect demo site. I'm sold. Thanks.
Micah great job on leading the charge on the electric revolution! I was an out of shape middle aged dude then I stumbled across some of your videos. I got an e-bike and use it as my daily commuter snow or sunshine. I've dropped 3 pant sizes, have more energy, but I'm still middle aged. I also have a few years experience operating diesel loaders and look forward to trying a Neshar loader!
Those are impressive. The landscape industry needs a mini skid steer that can carry a pallet of landscape pavers through a gate for backyards.
they already exist, though they lack the lift capacity to carry a full pallet of pavers or sod etc they are 36in wide and can lift 1000 w a tip capacity of 3000lb. theres many models from vermeer, Kubota, ditch witch and bobcat to name some. the slightly larger models can lift sod or pavers while being the same width if not smaller than the machine in the video....ditch witch has its sk1550 with a tip capacity up to 5600lb at 46in width, Vermeer has its ctx160 with a width of 42in and a tip capacity of 4500lb.... if your set on an articulated loader well vermeer has one at 45in of width with a 2000lb lift capacity....bobcat also has one though admittedly its weaker than both vermeer this nesher one
You have your foot in the door of a great enterprise! i am looking to build a new home on an acre site and I can see me needing a loader with multiple attachments. As a previous machine operator it's very nice to see someone concerned about the environment and construction equipment needs to change too. Lawnmowers first then on to the snowplow!
lol. Can you explain the environment friendly process of mining the lithium and cobalt for the batteries here…which have to be thrown away after 10-15 years?
@@FlyingAceAV8B @8:08 AGM batteries don't contain cobalt. They're essentially lead acid.
@@FlyingAceAV8B Well, first off they're AGM batteries, more than 98% recyclable, but all batteries can be recycled to some extent. Redwood Materials is building a plant outside Charleston NC. that will employ 1500 people to recycle lithium ion batteries, 100% recyclable.
Great work Micah! Being an ebike enthusiast, I've been following your videos for several years and I'm really pleased to see you start this company and the ethics behind it. Kudos to your mum and dad for that too. I wish you every success.
Great for snow plowing! This would be great for Canadian properties too. Will keep you bookmarked when we move to the country.
It might not run as long in the cold. Still will get the job done though.
I’m so surprised you are from Florida and you don’t hate China given the state of the media in US. As a Chinese living overseas it’s very refreshing to see and up lifting.
No one deserves to be hated because of who they are or where they are from. We’re a world of people, more similar than most of us realize.
It needs a full array of snow removal attachments. Perfect for sidewalks and small lots. And some sort of battery blanket too!
very true but i feel electric still has a cold issue that is not 100% fixed yet, in time it will be fixed
@@5tyxxit's the downfall of batteries, they hate cold.
@@iamaduckquack Just add a battery warmer pad. It's like a diesel engine heater but for electrics.
Dude, you're very a hands-on guy. Preparing a whole manual for those machines really impressed me. Good luck with your new venture.
One piece of advise I have for you though is, (and I'm sure you already have this covered), to make sure you have an ironclad noncompete agreement with your suppliers. Otherwise, once you've made these machines popular, they might start bringing them in directly and undercutting your prices.
Not saying you shouldn't trust them, but have your back covered anyway. We've seen such in most African countries.
6 Hours is pretty darn good. For snowplowing I think I would modify that blade a bit as it doesn't seem like it would do that great, but I could be wrong. More of a snow pusher would be a better idea I would think. Have you ever thought about bringing in towable boom lifts or such? I see a ton listed on a few of the sites they come in battery power and A/C which is amazing for home owners that don't want to use ladders to reach high areas.
Omg, you addressed everything....
I have learned a lot from this single video than i would have ever had in any management course...
Your work ethics is impeccable ❤❤❤
You are a good businessman, i hope you succeed.....
Thanks for these great videos about this electric equipment. That calls for a Lithium Battery Upgrade of these loaders on my channel... at some stage😉
100% 😂
If I needed one of these I would buy it from you Micah. Your honesty and transparency has always shined through.
I have enjoyed your videos for years now, and it's so good to see you capitalizing on the honest reputation you have built over those years.
Peace brother!
✅👍☮️
I purchased a 3,000# mini excavator from china at the end of last year. I am quite pleased with my purchase. I got mine from a company named VOTE Machinery. I got the VTW-18S with an enclosed cab, Kubota D209 diesel engine, and a hydraulic thumb. I have made a few upgrades, but the tractor is very sound in it's construction and easy of operation. My favorite feature is the enclosed cab. Next is the expanding track width (40" to 48"), which allows back yard access through a standard sized fence gate. Minor but important improvements: More and better lighting, improved range of movement of the hydraulic thumb, I added a 2" receiver hitch to the center top of the blade, and more powerful drive motors for the tracks. I am working on designing a more convenient track tensioning system for the rubber tracks. Good luck with your endeavors. I enjoy watching your videos.
I can't wait for you to be able to get these to Canada!!!! Please please make sure to let us know!
Working on it. Thanks for your patience
@@micahsdad5388 So exciting!
Alibaba delivers to Canada.
would it be too cold for batteries?
Interesting, could be fun for small stuff. We recently had a 5 day power outage and the roads around us had trees and power lines down. I used my diesel tractor for many hours helping to clear the fallen trees and allow people to get out of the dead end road that leads to ours and 17 neighbors properties. I wouldn't have wanted to only have electric equipment, although I could have recharged them with my generator, diversity of fueling is a must in emergency situations.
Congrats on your new company those are excellent machines.
Wow, what wonderful machines. I can see a lot of uses for these, using regular batteries instead of lithium will make these easy to maintain in the future.
You definitely need to do a colab video with @tractortimewithtim He tested a solectrac and does a lot of work with subcompacts. He's also a retired computer engineer, so he's not afraid of new tech. Great idea for a company!
A snowblower attachement and mowing attachement would be great an almost a guaranteed buy for me
That's amazing. Nesher is going to be the next John Deere!
John Deere manufacture.
I like these machines. It's good to hear your company is taking off!
Please make sure the green on the original equipment matches all new stuff you bring in.. I love that green and it remind me of the construction transformers from when I was a kid. Love the videos, can't wait to be in a spot to pick on of these machines up.
Love the content! You do a great job! Thank you. Congrats to Nancy! You have another Wisconsin fan, we are in New Glarus!
Hail from la crosse
If you ever get a tractor with a three point linkage as well I’d be very interested! Do a lot of market garden construction and contracting and I’d love to get away from diesel. Also the ability to brush hog or flail…..
Love this business venture you're embarking on. Absolutely a needed service. Customer service means thinking ahead and meeting needs and creating solutions before problem happen. ❤
Very cool. I want a smaller one, like the little bobcats used in urban landscaping.
One little upgrade to have on those is to make sure the battery charger is lithium compatible. If i had one of those machines and in like 5 years (or however long it takes), the agm batteries went out, i would prefer to change them to lithium. (it might need some weight added to the back tho)
They get too light with Lithiums in them, we had to add weight to our units after doing a lithium swap (we bought 6 units from the same OEM.) In our service, full 8 hour shifts, we killed the batteries in ~300-500 cycles, with operator training (and our own management system) restricting the batteries to 80% discharge. So about 1-2 years. We ended up developing our own battery pack vs just buying random units in similar form factors. There's no real point in including a lithium compatible charger, given the cost difference of a good UL certified unit, and lack of a standard replacement. There's no way to know how users would modify them to support lithium. So not worth the liability to ship them 'lithium ready' unless he develops a standard kit.
@BadHaddy thanks for the feedback. I said like 5 years, with it being used for odd jobs around a small farm (not replacing a tractor), a homestead, or similar setting, what way, it would get much longer longevity compared to daily use of 8h shifts
Lithium is overrated. AGMs will work just fine.
@@volvo24091no it's not, i do camper conversions an lithium is superior to agm or lead, lighter, more compact, more energy dense, higher discharge rate, etc, just has the downside of a higher price point but it makes up for it in longevity
@@BadHaddywhat capacity and voltage did you go with for the lithium swap (I'm wondering if they can run on 96V nominal)?
That was an impressive amount of pull-ups @ 20:40!
I do a flat trade for my bobcat for one of these honestly. Just the idea of having all the electricity in case of a power outage. I know it takes some kind of DIY solution but that would be really cool to just have it fully charged in the winter if the power goes out hook up my electrical contraption and boom at least have heat in the house and a few lights and internet.
Oh man that part is not hard. Just make sure you have a large enough gauge wire for DC transmission, and a conduit-shielded wireway i to the home (or thru-plug).
What I would caution: heat is actually very demanding of the batteries, but it's totally not hard--just will be a big drain. PTC heater-fam combos are common car parts. The internet is easier and will last longer too. Either get a DC-DV transformer or get an inverter, some sensitive electronics need a pure sine wave inverter, which is more expensive.
@@mattphilip3266 my heat is all radiators. So it has about 500 watts of pumps.
So you'll probably consume less than the 500W at continuous runtime, but it's hard to say. I'm guessing your heat source is a combustion fuel: these will still need a fan motor (for air supply and/or exhaust) and controller to function, which you'll need to add to your electrical load, but these should be much less than your rad pump(s).@@hotrodhunk7389
These units use lead-acid batteries, not lithium, so they can't be discharged below 50% without damage. IIRC, I think there are 9 KWh of juice in the batteries in one loader. I don't know if that accounts for the discharge limitation or is the full capacity, but either way, that isn't all that much power for running a house. A space heater would deplete that in 6 hours, or 3 if you don't want to damage the batteries.
That is a very nice loader . This would work great for my yard projects
I can't wait for the one that can lift 3000lbs!!! I currently have a JDeere 1025R & have many pallets around my property of Pavers, Stone thinys, Cinder Blocks. Each pallet of them weight about 3k lbs so I am dead in the water over here with my limited JDeere capacity.
Hurry, get them in Plse!
Those pull-ups are impressive!
wow congrats, great business idea and model. I had purchased a China made flail mower it was a BEAST the biggest issue was abuse second biggest issue was parts availability great job with ordering spare parts. Best of luck. Sharing.
Once I close on the property I’m buying I will be ordering one of these machines from you. I worked in construction and landscaping for many years and having an electric machine at my home would be ideal for many tasks
Sounds great !!
These little machines seem great. I wish I had the money for one myself. I will one day be able to buy one from you.
Having had a diesel mini excavator in our back garden, having had the same work done with an electric alternative would have been a lot quieter and less smelly. Also the fine control and reliability that electric drive gives cannot be underestimated.
all very true. thanks
Thanks for the info on your new venture. Like like fun machines for the occasional user. Keep up the content, and I'm still waiting and entering for my free e-bike
Looking forward to the excavator video. You probably already have the first batch, but one of the most useful things to me on an excavator is a good hydraulic thumb.
Glad your new venture going well. Not in the market for this but still find your videos interesting
This is a very very cool idea. I kind of wish this was a Canadian thing. There are a lot of rural farms out here that would probably benefit greatly by these where you're not using them daily for like 8-10 hours a day constantly without breaks, and the attachments are really standard and cool.
Bobcats are SOOooo expensive. This would be perfect.
Edit: Of course after I comment I see the part about trying to come to Canada. :) Good to hear :D
Thanks Micah! I was curious about electric loaders in the US. We were going to build an outdoor RC car track a couple years ago and a little Nesher would be perfect. (We didn't, life happened.) Would have been nice for sure...
Start now again mf
I've been looking for a multi-use machine to manage an off-grid property, kept landing on having to buy ($$$) a skid steer and a mini excavator to meet all my needs (road maintenance, trenching, hole digging, wood lot, forestry, towing, snow removal, ect)... This seems to have hit the sweet spot. Imagine getting an enclosed cab and tracks? It would be Unstoppable. Would be super interested to see how this could hold up to a Canadian winter. Happy to collaborate and test it out for you ;)
This video is great. Just to comment that a bobcat is generally going to be able to move 2x as much weight over those hours a day so its not a 1:1 comparison, but the price point is justified for your target buyers for sure - this can also fit into smaller spaces.
a modular battery assembly that can be swapped with a fully charged one might also be good for longer operations and making battery maintenance easier, perhaps even onboarding the charger for simplicity. also a snow blower attachment?
Looks like these have some Promise. I am actually looking for a front loader to be able to move snow when we get lake effect in Buffalo, NY. Reading the comments below most people have a lot of the same questions. How will the battery hold up in low temps. Most people are interested in the 4 degree to 25 degree range.....yes some parts of Canada and the NW USA get sub zero....but I think sub zero you need diesel or gas as batteries are going to struggle in that kind of temp. Secondly, the Li swap....being lighter is not a huge issue as you can add weight to the back bumper to compensate....Or just add more Li to extend run time and range. Now what would really get me salivating is having a cab on the smallest unit for dealing with the cold and winds, second is the ability to charge from a 220 car charger (didn't see anyone ask about this). If it takes 6 hours to charge on 110, you could probably charge it in 2 hours with a car charger. Not sure if you would have to go Li, but for those of us in snow country we are mostly looking at snow removal and outfitting it for cold weather. Having the smaller model with some heat, a cab and ability to fast charge would be huge.
I was just going to fire off an email about will there be electric mini excavators in the future. Wow this is fantastic hopefully you will have one with pilot controls soon. Looking forward to your future videos.
Awesome update to your new adventure. Makes me want to get some property so I can justify purchasing one.
Would be good to see a lithium ion battery upgrade
Did you forget the DET fluid in your diesel time cost. That extra expense to meet emissions really ticks people off. The low noise is really nice for working in town. Less annoying for the owner and neighbours. Nice products
A few issues with the snow plow attachment, for snow and ice, rubber cutting edges are not effective, you really want hard steel, second the plow you have seems to lack trip springs and plow shoes to help float the plow across the ground and not accidentally turn into a bulldozer. I imported this same machine with a Kubota diesel engine and had the factory make me a snow plow and ran into these exact same issues.
I would definately love to see a fully enclosed version of these with a heat pump system in it for heating and cooling. Also maybe a version that is slightly more standard tractor like with the 3 point system on the back of it with a swivel seat and controls that work forward and backward (so probably 90% joystick based movement/turning)
You could potentually try to design an electric PTO that hooks directly up to the attachment instead of it having 2 U joints. but that is if you want to be hyper efficient.
I would love to have something like this with an auger that can drill into rock for fence posts and such. I feel like the weight of the batteries and the relatively low power application would be perfect for that.
I see these as the Ryobi of heavy equipment. They’re actually pretty nice machines that get the job done at reasonable prices.
Plus the color doesn’t hurt.
Dang. This is cool. If I needed a lifter, I'd definitely buy from you. Hope you sell tons of them.
As a way you could improve the loaders coming from someone who works on a farm driving one daily I'd suggest to put an arm rest with the joystick on the end attached to the seat so it moves with you and so that you would have more steady control over the boom of the loader for driving on uneven ground because I'd imagine it would be hard enough working daily in one and the joystick low down while you higher up whilst somewhat bouncing around I could be wrong but I'd still rather have the joystick built into an armrest built into a suspension seat and would near put me off getting one but apart from that it some pice of equipment for the money and it's capability
Had no idea these were a thing and I want one. We will be getting a little hobby farm in the next year and am looking forward to getting in thouch with your company when the time comes.
Sounds like a great business you've started, selling those useful machines. Well done.
Thanks for mentioning about the life cycle charge and discharge. Many people still thinks that it is the best to charge @ 10% to 100% (90% of charged) and if someone charge @55% to 100% twice (which work out to be 90%) is considered 2 charge life cycle, which is not true. Allowing your battery to be discharge until extremely low will cause damage to the battery
I have owned a few towable bucket (cherry pickers), two gas (40' + 56') and two battery powered (40'). Battery power is the way to go, quiet, usable indoors and lighter. Now retired, interested in something like your articulated tractor.
Great job on the video Micah! Thanks for making it. Now I just want to go buy some land on which I can use one of these cool machines.
I live on a pistachio ranch in California. We use an auger pretty often, and our backhoe is honestly too large for the trenches we make. It's currently down for repairs 😕
If there were an attachment for dragging the ground to pull weeds out of the orchard that would be great! I like how narrow the machines are since it would need to fit in between rows of trees.
As always, thanks for the great content. Imma buy your solar book soon.
This was brilliant. Thanks for your indepth effort.
Glad you enjoyed it!
a word of caution about the snowplow. they normally have trip protection or whatever you call it where if it catches it can tip forward and release what it caught to prevent damage. whats keeping it from just tipping all the time ate some pretty beefy springs
Why agm, lifpo4 are so cheap now. 12V 100 Ah for less then $190. Can discharge to 5%. Just don't charge it at 0F. Or buy ones with self heating. 3000-10000 charge cycles
These look great! I'd probably get one of these to replace my current tractor when it breaks If the attachment plate is the same as a John Deere so I can reuse my existing loader attachments.
Excellent . A Rock Breaker and a trencher attachment and a point claw attachment would be essential in my work and location. I looked at the digging pressure on your site 16 MPA , for the excavator attachment , and that's about 2300ish PSI? That is quite a bit lower ( half that) of a gas powered mini excavator or backhoe. Having an upgrade for the hydraulic pressure would be great , especially for areas with hard and rocky soil..Maybe you can do a digging test through really compact 300-500 psi ground with lots of rock?... next to a mini X? might be a good test to run..I'm sure it would be easy to engineer the hydraulic system to compete with a mini X or backhoe with a few engineered components....otherwise itb might not be very practical out here in the desert south west where we have 300 psi soils ( unlike Florida digging through sand) ...but I know it could be engineered with the right tweeks to keep up. Please show the digging test..the MPA through reallu compact earth next to a mini x.thanks
Working with one of the newer batyeru companies to offer a Lipo battery upgrade for these would be awesome.
nice equipment glad your eventually coming to canada...those containers would make a slick garage to store them in a few panels on the roof for charging them win win situation
Looks like a pretty nice lineup of equipment your starting to sell. If I ever end up getting property and moving out of the city I'd probably look into investing in one of these.
This is a very versatile machine good for so many task! Yeah, great idea to install some solar panels on the roof of the vehicle which can increase the running time for users in sunny regions and cut down the electricity charges further!
I can see the smaller version being useful to do yard work on livestock farms. In winter (in many parts of Europe) we have to keep cattle indoors due to the cold and also because of no food in the fields. That means cowsheds that need to be cleaned out, or mucked out as we say, every day. No one really wants to introduce diesel fumes and create a lot of noise around their livestock unnecessarily and it isn't work that you would do all day either. The only disadvantage with the type of machine that you have is that it pivots on its centre to steer. That means that you have to be very careful turning next to a wall which you would be if mucking out a cowshed. That problem has nothing to do with how the vehicle is powered however. The snowplough attachment would be brilliant for mucking out and also for pushing up feed closer to where the cattle feed to reduce waste. You obviously wouldn't want to use the same mucking out tool to do that though. I am not convinced that the battery technology is where it needs to be for passenger vehicles just quite yet, but for machines like this and work such as I've described, it is already good enough.
I just love your entrepreneurship, keep it up. I know where to look for when i need a loader!
The "manual" I can relate to a little, back in 2008 I bought a $1300 dollar twist and go scooter from an online usa seller but from Shanghai region of China, but since I had studied Mandarin in Taiwan a very long time ago for three years, I was able to read the English with the oddities of word choice, and order of words reasonably well/ funny problems in international business / and customers. (I put about 4,000 miles on that during that $5 dollar /gallon gas period, before giving it to my father in law in Del Rio Texas)
I like the idea. Is there a finish mower or bush hog option?
Regarding the shipping container; have you considered selling it as both part of delivery and modified to be a storage/charging station? Wiring in a power box with both shore power hook-ups and solar charging from roof panels shouldn't be too difficult. I realize that this would be complex from a liability point of view, but it could be done as a DIY kit set-up, similar to how kit planes are sold, much assembly required, but instructions included. This idea came to me after Colin Furze converted a ride-on mower to electric, then knocked together a storage/charging shed from pallets with solar charging on the roof.
That is so cool to see and hear how successful this business ideas has mushroomed into Good Luck!
Nice idea you have going there, with the EV equipment. I can see the big guys like BobCat and Kubota going the EV way too.
So when are you going to make a battery with some 280AH Lifepo4 batteries? 😁
You could probably get 400 AH Lifepo4 batteries in that space.
I think JCB has some electric equipment already. The price point is what’s gonna make the difference. If these are made well enough, they’ll sell good.
Almost like Harbor Freight tools sell really good, even though they are not the name brand tools that some people swear by.
Absolutely made up for you, so glad the response to you bring these to market has been so positive….👍👌
EXCELLENT changing the sight glass!!!
You will NEED shoes to plow snow! Get in touch if you need/want to chat about shoes...
Sorry to say, but these are still out of my price range....
I just bought an AGT H12.
You might have an opportunity to provide an auger head that will go on the AGT mini excavators and run off the aux hydraulic port.
I haven't yet seen the attachments I want, maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place......
Congrats on your business taking off. What a great niche to fill!
This is great, I’m in Jamaica and would love to discuss franchising with you as I’ve found importing from China to be a bit hit and miss.
Good job Micah! Hope your business successful!
Can’t wait for 880 hopefully to have a Jackhammer attachment for it.
Will you eventually try to find, “or expand” to electric skid steers?
I expected they have LiFePo4 batteries in them. I highly recommend to replace them (if the lead acids are gone) with LFP-batteries. Even if the initial costs are a bit higher, you save a lot of money (at least 2/3 less costs over all), cause they last 10 times more cycles, and they can be discharged completely without damaging them. With same usable capacity LFPs are 2,4 times smaller. Only thing to keep in mind is they just can be charged above zero degree celsius (discharge is allowed at lower temperatures) and they give less counterweight.
Would be cool to get these with an LFP option for customers that would be using these for more than 1 shift per day. Would easily pay for itself quickly in cycle life.
The AGM batteries in these have a VERY short service life, a year or two tops, in my experience. 500 cycles if you don't go below 80% DOD. Operators need additional training to not run these units under 20% charge, and developed a battery management system to keep operators from flatlining the batteries and wrecking them. We imported half a dozen from the same OEM and developed our own LFP packs for them as well. We're not selling any of our work, really, the liability isn't worth it to us, but the machines overall are serviceable minus the battery packs, and the supplied packs are okay as long as you train your operators well. We swapped the controllers with real Curtis ones (it's basically a golf cart controller) so we could program voltage levels, etc.
A claw and a breaker (either for wood or stone) would be a useful addition for this multi machine. ❤
Working on testing prototypes of both. Stay tuned. regards
Battery warming mats for cold weather
Have you swapped to lithium on any machine yet? Lithium is readily available in batteries today thanks to RV industry. Unlike AGM, lithium can be discharged to complete empty without damaging the battery. Effectively doubling your run time. Most offer 10 year warranties as well. Higher upfront cost, sure, but cheaper in the long run and much more convenience.
Thank you, sir! I have had a Kabota tractor for years and if these things would get an attachment to mow my 6 acres then 😍I would appreciate that!
Oooohhhhh
Really love what you're doing. Seriously an amazing initiative.
Can you replace the AGM batteries with lithium batteries? I don't want to just assume a battery is a battery so any battery would work with these.
I’d love to see a working snowblower attachment too in addition to the plow
Interesting machine, looks like a minimized copy of an articulated loader I had years ago called a 'Swinger', even down to it's' green paint. Had heavy use from it and very few problems. Used it for lots of snow and had a bucket that was twice as big as the dirt bucket.
Good run time for 'warm weather' wonder what would happen in the '20's F, or below. Adding heated cab might really lower run time.
My question as well (cold weather run time). Also if loader arm control has float position detent.
Im conserned about battery life in cold weather. I used to own an electric mini excavator but I made the mistake of storing it outside the first winter and it totalled the batteries. Maybe a little insulating cover and a little heating element with a temp sense for when its plugged in as an optional addition you can buy? We ended up just putting Fiberglass insulation around the batteries on mine and set the batteries on a heating pad with an in line temp shut off.
You should add some sort of solar panels to the roof maybe as an option to extend the working time. So many possibilities with these machines.