The only problem, is that he lengthened the frame. so the hood and panels would not match the new application. He also removed the dash, which the hood mates up to. So more fabrication would have to be made to get the hood and grill back on. However, I agree that they should be reinstalled.
@@LoyalTreeFriend Just learning to use properly a rotary lathe is a whole technician's course per se. He's not such a great welder but come on....and the CAD design? dissasembling all that stuff by himself without an accident? This video is valuable just for that. Hope he keeps them coming.
@@ansg70 Yes, but are they making any electric-powered tractors? If not *why not*?... or do they just not care that they will have gone bust within 10 years as the competition overtakes them...?
@@martinwinlow It will take a quantum leap in battery technology for electric tractors to be more than light duty. He did say it would not be doing heavy pto work. Currently there is no practical alternative to diesel power. The best prospect is hydrogen, which is at least a decade away.
@juslitor I Literally came to the comment section to find this comment!!! My exact thoughts!!! All the weight missing is a HUGE Mistake!!! It needs a thousand pounds put back on it so it can pull anything!!! The way it is now it'll just twist around the Axle!!!
He was planing a solar roof, and also, the cost-benefit ratio of a anti-roll bar on an old M-F is ridiculously high, it is too slow to get enough momentum to roll, and it is too stable centre of mass wise, there are some East Asian models that could benefit from it, but you really have to try hard to flip a M-F.
Man, how many technologies do you know? You’re covering all the bases: 3D modeling, sheet modeling, battery technology, electronics, 3D printing, IC engines, transmission, computer programming, electricals, electronics... hat’s off to you!
Next big project you do, don't use cement blocks. They crack and fracture suddenly (especially on their side! 7:44 ). You want solid wood blocking or sturdy jack stands.
Cement blocks are dangerous, but the biggest issue is not understanding how to load them. I turned one on its side (holes horizontal) as a kid trying to help my uncles jack up an old Ford 8N and the block broke; thankfully no one was hurt. They didn't check my work and I was too young to know, so it wasn't my fault, but I learned a valuable lesson about concrete blocks that day ;). The holes must be parallel to the loading and this usually hides them from view.
For the battery these days you can get something pre-made from the golf cart lithium conversion market. The 72V 105Ah options do about 200A continuous and 500A for 3s which should be enough for this application. And since they're LFP batteries they're very safe and will last forever.
Very well done. I run a small farm with my wife, and our everyday tractor, a Kubota, spends a lot of its day idling between and during chores. A much larger Ford does the grunt work. But an electric tractor would be a great substitute for the smaller one. Be careful at higher speeds and on uneven ground. Tractor roll-overs kill a few people every year. And if you install a roll bar, wear a seat belt. It's pretty much impossible to stay in the seat when the tractor flips. Please don't become a statistic!
.....and when you're pulling hard, keep the drawbar low. Remember, "It all comes down to physics." Make this into a 3d sign and hang it on your shop wall.
The scariest ride I had was a 1930 tractor as a teenager got it into travelling gear opened the throttle with iron bar . Front wheels started to bounce off the dirt road. More of a kangaroo hop .Throttle was broken just needed smacking closed with iron bar. Bloody near impossible while hanging on for dear life. Never again was terrified. Never mentioned that one to Dad.
I am so impressed with your combination of skills and knowledge; on the one hand you had all the hitech skills to make the electrics work and also what I call farmer skills dismantling with the front-end loader and fabricating and welding.
No amount of coolant/lubricant was going to make that job not suck. 100 points to Liam for seeing it through. That's a horrible task but you got it done!
I converted a ford N 9 (80years old) a few years ago to electric . with a 6 kw battery. i can generally do about 4 - 6 hrs of work ( pulling a trailer) and when i am deep tilling, plowing discing my garden and/or hilling my potatoes with it I get 2to3 hours of work out of it. if I am grading my road usually around 3 - 4 hrs. and if I am swamping full length trees out of the forest about 1 to 2 hours. it can pull far more then what ICE ford N9 could due to the extreme amount of torque an electric motor has and you risk blow apart your transmission ( which I have done) as it is, it is either go or spin there no such thing as stalling. if you want to do harder work or use the 3pt. you probably have to add weight to the front at now the front end is too light and you will loose steering traction.. but my tractor probably will pull far more then yours will as i using two smaller fork lift motors hooked inline series . so i have far more torque at lower rpms then you can achieve . also your motor is designed for higher rpm operation mine are designed for lower rpm operations. you could probably put your tractor in 1st gear and still be able to go 37 miles per hour . my motor operate at what the the Original ICE top rpm was. so the tractor behave just as the original tractor did . if I was you I probably put in a gear reduction on your motor. so you can operate at a lower amp draw it prolong the life of your motor and make the tractor safer
Here's an idea for you. I think you could use a heavy duty transfer case with two motors on the front driveshaft yoke and one on the T-case input shaft from the original transmission. Then you could mount the driveline shaft yoke to connected to the transmission. That way you could put the transfer case in 2WD to run 1 motor or put it in 4WD to run two motors for heavy pulling. It would extend your range. You would also have the option to mount a PTO on the transfer case, put the transfer case in neutral and run a hydraulic pump to operate things like a wood splitter.
@@EnGammalAmazon not sure how well that would work since i still use the gears on the tractor as normal. 1st gear for plowing. and swamping trees . 2nd gear for hilling and grading. and 3 gear for transport. I do have PTO and hydraulics (if I tap in to the 3point hitch hydraulics ).
Great job. At the beginning of the video I thought you were messing around, but your build is amazing. Nice battery pack, great engineering. Liked the editing.
What a good project !!! I converted a mini pick up to 10kw Motor, 10kWhr batt with 40miles max range. I drive daily to less than 25miles so it’s now my daily drive… My VW Touran is now parked indefinitely in the garage. Love the change !!!
Now there's a spare diesel engine that someone could use to revive an old chassis, potentially resulting in more working model 65s. Would be interesting to see a weight comparison, too, if considerably lighter it could allow for more batteries, and more use time! Though yer wallet might wince a lil'. Can't wait for part 2.
His electricity is still being generated through a fossil fuel source. The charger gets plugged into the wall. Now if he made it with solar panel trailer then it would truly be fully electric.
@@Reed.dakota Actually, less than 10% of our energy in Ontario comes from fossil fuels. See here for details: www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/provincial-territorial-energy-profiles/provincial-territorial-energy-profiles-ontario.html
@@Reed.dakota Even being produced by burning the dirtiest coal is cleaner and takes less energy than diesel. If you're considering the source of the fuel, you have to consider the oil refinery energy costs, which are MASSIVE.
You really shouldn't mix oil or hydraulic fluid with coolant. It makes it more difficult to recycle. We used to have to test army reservoirs of spent oil for contamination specifically for that.
This project will put you on a good path to creativity for the rest of your life. I've been at it for over 65 years now and a new idea to improve something still lights me up. Remember, "It's never too late to have a great childhood!" and "Don't listen to the 'nay-sayers!"
The use case is unique, most of us on the farm wouldn't be able to only use the tractor for an hour each day. Literally run the chore tractor all day, old AC D14. Nevermind the main ones that run 24/7 during harvest. Cool project though.
And that is enough reason for you to poison your environent every day without end? Of burning precious fossil ressources and hurt your children every day? Just because you can not imagine bulding a tractor with a bigger battery and somehwat better efficiency to be able to replace your precious old AC D14?
The use case is very common. Various odd jobs around an old farm can benefit from a small tractor with various attachments. Not to be confused with a beast of a machine that runs 24/7 during harvest of massive fields. Very different, but still common use case.
Yes, it will be interesting to see how the tractor works out in practice. My guess is that it will actually exceed his target performance ... and there's plenty space to add more battery capacity if he needs it. The 125kWh of energy referred to early in the video is the energy content of the diesel fuel which has excellent energy density ... however, an internal combustion engine turns most of the energy from fuel into heat and friction ... only getting about 20% of the original energy into "work". An electric motor will likely have about 90% efficiency so even though he doesn't have 125kWh in his battery pack he won't need anything like that.
your calculation at 4:20 about the energy in diesel fuel compared to batteries - neglects to allow for the low efficiency of combustion enginges (in this case probably about 25%) so you can get by with a battery of 30kw/h per hour which is highly achievable.
Apologies, I just made a similar comment before seeing that you spotted the same issue! My guess for an old diesel like this was less than yours ... I reckon I was being very generous suggesting 20% efficiency! He easily has space for the required battery capacity if he chooses to max it out. (I just checked out his motor model ... dirt cheap!! He saved enough to add battery capacity!)
4:07 There's a mistake there. Most diesel engines are only 30-40% efficient compared to 95%+ efficiency from battery to motor. Considering this tractor is an old one we can assume it has an efficiency of 30%. There are 10,700 Wh of energy in a liter of diesel. Only 3210 Wh is used. All the other energy is wasted as heat. 11×3210 Wh ×1h = 35,310 Wh So half the size of tesla model 3.
all fun and games but a Tesla couldn't pull a plow even if it has rough profile offroad tires, and if it could (you'd need a cybertruc to pull a 1,5 meter stubble plow) your battery will be flat faster than a old diesel trying to start in a rough winter
A gentleman whose exact name I disremember, something Howe, was building a Farmall Cub electric conversion; his was far less comprehensive in that he simply backfed the entire drivetrain via a motor driving the PTO shaft. It meant not running anything from the PTO but for dragging implements like harrows and scraper blades it worked fine. As I recall his had a solar canopy as well; a week of sitting in the sun was sufficient to do a weekend's worth of chores.
Excellent idea and makes complete sence for agricultural vehicles. What do you want from your tractor? Instant torque ☑ Run all day ☑ Low maintence ☑ Ability to run off renewable energy (that could be self generated on most agricultural land) ☑ What's not to love!?!
Great work! I'm in the middle of converting an international 3414 right now. I've been waiting years for mister Benjamin Nelson to finish his tractor conversion series, and I'm happy you beat him to it.
Great. This size tractor would not be used on plowing fields long days anyway. So electric can work nicely. Put the front loader back on so it will make a nice farm tool for lifting heavy things around the yard. I find my old tractor mostly idling in these type of yard tasks. Other thing to investigate is if you could high-speed charge it up via the PTO (with another tractor / a huge old electric motor from the grid / steam engine / whatever floats your boat).
this is so sick, there isnt alot of ppl like you thats good in all fields electronic and mechanical like this. Id be doing shit like this as well if i had a farm
Nice work! I converted a small Sears Suburban to electric, using a 48v brushless motor and some old Chevy Volt/ Nissan Leaf cells. It was a lot easier since I literally just swapped out the engine for the motor and changed the belt that drives the transmission. I mainly used it to move a 24ft camp trailer around my tiny urban yard.
Excellent work! You mention that a tank of diesel has a zillion kW-hrs or energy. However, that old diesel is probably only 25% efficient (modern DI engine runs 30 to 40%) which gives the electric system a big leg up. If the tractor then spends a lot of time stationary, loading, unloading, hitching etc, the electric version is using zero energy while the diesel is idling away creating the smoke screen! Roll on part 2 😋😋
Super cool project. You young guys are knocking it out of the park with all of the battery conversions. Subbed and liked. I can't wait to see this completed.
While I know you are converting the tractor into a race car, someone will eventually hook up a brush hog. The "live PTO" two clutch setup keeps from the spinning brush hog blade pushing the tractor into buildings, fences, or ditches. One workaround is get a "overrunning clutch" that goes on the PTO shaft and the brush hog attaches to the clutch. It transfers power in the normal direction but if you use the foot clutch to stop the tractor power the implement just spins the overrunning clutch. Live PTO was a big technology improvement to run equipment like hay balers.
I would highly recommend double battery, solar roof, and the biggest thing I'd recommend is a small little portable generator strapped right under that hood somewhere where in an emergency you can charge the thing up off the generator and get to where you need to go.
That custom battery box is sick. I had to rewind to see if it was a commericial solution. Was surprised to see someone who knows their stuff. Earned yourself a sub!
As an ag diesel Tec I love seeing people making their stuff how they want it to be. I say that because I believe that no manufacturer makes things perfect so it’s up to you, if that means electric swap the good for ya! Just please don’t let that old diesel sit around and rot, donate it to a diesel Tec program they would love to have a new project! Awsome vid!
Good idea. Great experience with electric energy storage, motors etc. I was young also at one time, and wanted tractors to go fast, turn as tight as possible. Top speed . Cool
I'm a massey collector so I like originals tractors. But you know what ? That's an amazing projet and I enjoyed to watch it ! Keep going on that way, actually I work on small articulated tractor with real work capacities, and I'm not sure about the energy at this point, but you prove to me that the electric can be a good idea 😉
Here's an idea for you to add to this build, a compressed air range extender. I recently read an article about how some ferry services were looking at using compressed air motors to go green instead of batteries because they're able to be filled much faster than the batteries can be charged. Thought since this tech only works for large vehicles it might be a nice addition to the tractor.
I just happened across this from the algorithm wow!! What a great build. I'm also in Canada, thinking of doing a tractor at some point, so I appreciate the video!
that was a nice video of a conversation and I didn't really thaught that the electric version would increase the maximum speed, great job. especially the electric work you showed 1,37 sec looks really clean.
Day 1 on Cavalary Corps, Private is afraid of mounting a horse. In fact he's never been close to any such large animal in his entire urban life... "Sarge, I am afraid I've never mounted a horse" "Don't be afraid, private, we'll find for you a horse that has never been mounted."
Impressive. Also make shure that the screws on the electric busbars don't come loose due to vibration and temperature cycles. Loose connection will have increased electric contact resistance and could create hot-spots which can cause fire.
I have Yugoslav Massey Ferguson 35 (IMT 539). It has a dual stage clutch where you can disable PTO with full press or just the wheels at half press. I always wanted to convert it, so the hydraulic does not have parasitic loss, at least no more than necessary. So since the PTO has its own transmission, where it can be locked to engine or wheel speed, you could turn it to engine position, and then feed the power from PTO connector in the back, provided you have a second motor. Also, I live in a hilly area and we use engine braking a lot. So, for trailer and other towing, I would prefer AC motor, so I can set the speed, not the power level like on DC motors.
Electric pallet jacks and forklifts demonstrate the torque and smooth control possible with battery powered tractors. Also,we use battery powered drills and saws in construction and see efficiency and quieter operation . Generators and compressors were great back in the eighties when I was framing houses. That’s Stone Age now. The battery powered nail guns are heavy but you don’t have to drag around an air hose or listen to a compressor. I prefer to use screws and ,while it’s slower, I like the quieter environment and stronger fastening. A 4 amp hour 20 volt battery is only 80 watt hours of energy. A 5.12 kilowatt hour LFP server rack battery weighs about 100 lb,costs about $2500 including a EG4 3 kw inverter to power your tools and drill chargers,and will recharge your drill battery 64 times. Since weight is not usually a problem with tractors, you could carry 60 KWH of LFP at 1200 lb . One hp is 740 watts. That’s 81 horsepower hours. It seems to me that you could run that tractor all day for most applications. Plowing is high consumption and going out of style with sustainable farming but many tasks of farm tractors are far less energy intensive.
@@jamesphillips2285 geologist here. The plant kingdom includes algae. And a dead terrestrial plants metamorphose to coal. In certain circumstances. And there's no need in somebody to decompose it. In fact, quite opposite. The mass should be preserved w/o oxygen long enough to get covered from above and finally get deep enough where pressure and high temperature do their job. I dunno, I was told so.
Not sure where you came from or how you got here but I’m glad you exist. I want my kids to go to school in Canada just for your (Canadian) humor. Keep up the good work young man!
Heavy batteries actually make more sense than a combustion engine because a tractor usually has cast iron rear wheel weights and cast iron suitcase weights on the front. One cast iron suitcase weight cost $90 and the tractor might have 10 weights. So that $900 in front weights could just as easily be $900 in batteries.
I love your narration. Good sense of humour. You condensed a big project in a quite small video. Well done 👍 I'd watch if you made more detailed videos of the entire build.
Hope this will encourage manufacturers to market tractors with an electric powertrain. Your results show that this has a great marketing potential. At the same time, it would be nice to do the bodywork and restore the tractor to its deserved glory.
I wouldn't have the heart to do that myself but I wouldn't blame anyone for doing it either. You can really go to town on batteries. Tractor needs to be pretty heavy to do its job. Most have additional weights here and there. Extra weight from the batteries would be a bonus in this case. And solar roof would be an excelent feature. You would have a tractor that can "rest" and regain its strength back after some time in the sun.
In New Zealand there is a company running a chinese electric tractor commeriallly. The orchard company added a solar panel roof as the tractor didn't have enough battery to do a full day otherwise.
Thanks! They're SPIM08HP cells from Battery Hookup. They were used to start backup generators. batteryhookup.com/products/36v-48ah-1776wh-spim08hp-36v-power-module
Dude when you did welding and cutting you had my respect. Then you proceed to build your own battery including BMS and even know SSH. You are a fucking mechanical, electrical and software engineer at the same time. Great work!!
This kid remarked, "There's a reason why electric tractors haven't taken over like electric cars have." However, this statement is not grounded in reality. Contrary to the claim, only a tiny fraction of the population-around 0.1%-owns electric vehicles. The adoption of electric cars is still in its early stages, far from widespread dominance. To suggest that electric cars have "taken over" is misleading. In fact, both electric tractors and electric cars face similar challenges in terms of cost, infrastructure, and technology, and neither has become the norm yet. The idea that electric vehicles, whether cars or tractors, have fully replaced their traditional counterparts is a significant overstatement.
I have a real challenge for you, convert a tractor to a traction engine. Diesel to steam conversion, pressurized steam is incredibly strong and it's better for the environment. Also steam whistles aound cooler than any horn.
Great project, forget the haters. If people don’t see the value in this on a farm, they’re not looking. A tractor seldom runs all day long on a truck (vegetable) or livestock farm. As you stated, this will be pulling a trailer for short periods all day long. On an apple farm, for example, this would allow you to tow the bin wagon into a row, get filled, then tow it back to the bin barn and back. No diesel, no noise, no fumes on the apples. No spooked wildlife, no fuel spills, no ear protection. No buying a new tractor because clearly, that Diesel engine was done. Probably $5k in new parts and material vs $50k for a new tractor. I dunno, I can’t see past the value.
Unironically with the SHT show that is modern cars and the ever looping doomsday for parts even in the future of "3d print fabrication" this makes a LOT of sense. You retain control and ownership of the vehicle and can maintain it on your own. Awesome job
Edison motors in Canada has retro fit kits. Hybrid seems to be the best way so far, because batteries 🔋 need charging. Our ancestors used water 💧 or hydro to make saw mills and grain mills. I think if people lived by streams and rivers could put more generators out to charge batteries 🔋. Nice to see people just wanting to make things.❤
The Edison hybrid approach is appropriate for their use case. However, if you can cover your needs with batteries alone that's always going to be preferable. This tractor doesn't need to drive long distances, it's always going to be around the farm and can be plugged in at night. The cost, complexity and maintenance of hybrid wouldn't be worth it (IMHO). It would be driving around lugging an unnecessary engine most of the time.
I think the hood and body panels need to go back on!
definitely!
100%
Cleaning it would be a thing.
The only problem, is that he lengthened the frame. so the hood and panels would not match the new application. He also removed the dash, which the hood mates up to. So more fabrication would have to be made to get the hood and grill back on. However, I agree that they should be reinstalled.
@@okmrocksU Sounds like a fun way to continue this project to me!
The number of skills needed to make this happen is extremely impressive
Along with the number of $$$$$$$
@@descargaelbano skills more than $$$$, not everyone with $$ can achieve this
he makes it seem easy... it's not!
@@LoyalTreeFriend Just learning to use properly a rotary lathe is a whole technician's course per se. He's not such a great welder but come on....and the CAD design? dissasembling all that stuff by himself without an accident? This video is valuable just for that. Hope he keeps them coming.
Why would anyone do something so dumb while ruining an antique?
I work for Massey Ferguson now & watching someone giving life to an old tractor is remarkable. Good work my friend.
How the heck are they in business and what in the world are they selling now?
@@cdoublejj Massey Ferguson was acquired by AGCO & is still working in Beauvais. They are selling tractors & other agricultural equipment.
Destrozó una maquina de verdad para convertirlo en basura. Solo para obtener mayor velocidad 🥴
@@ansg70 Yes, but are they making any electric-powered tractors? If not *why not*?... or do they just not care that they will have gone bust within 10 years as the competition overtakes them...?
@@martinwinlow It will take a quantum leap in battery technology for electric tractors to be more than light duty. He did say it would not be doing heavy pto work.
Currently there is no practical alternative to diesel power. The best prospect is hydrogen, which is at least a decade away.
Pulling capability would have been better than a speed test.
considering the lost mass over the front axle, this baby is gonna do wheelies as soon as it starts pulling any loads.
@juslitor I Literally came to the comment section to find this comment!!!
My exact thoughts!!! All the weight missing is a HUGE Mistake!!!
It needs a thousand pounds put back on it so it can pull anything!!!
The way it is now it'll just twist around the Axle!!!
Good thing extra cheap lead acid batteries are heavy then
Standard tractor weights when needed.
@@rockerpat1085 Hah! The easy and useful solution is 'more battery!' Kind of like, "I want more cowbell......more cowbell!"
Get yourself a Anti-roll bar before a tragedy happen.
The originals never had one!
Those are for city slickers
An not a on the first part and happens on the second
He was planing a solar roof, and also, the cost-benefit ratio of a anti-roll bar on an old M-F is ridiculously high, it is too slow to get enough momentum to roll, and it is too stable centre of mass wise, there are some East Asian models that could benefit from it, but you really have to try hard to flip a M-F.
Don't do that, just film it whenever you use the thing 😅
This is the first time I've seen someone shrink a heat-shrink thing with a heat gun, not a lighter. Humanity is saved
You can also do it with a torch or a soldering iron. Pretty much anything hot will do.
Almost used the heat-shrink attachment too!
I can't believe this channel doesn't have millions of subscribers the humor, and the just awesome work is crazy.
Man, how many technologies do you know? You’re covering all the bases: 3D modeling, sheet modeling, battery technology, electronics, 3D printing, IC engines, transmission, computer programming, electricals, electronics... hat’s off to you!
He's a great example of someone who just does things. You can learn it all if you give yourself a chance.
Most of those are related
Next big project you do, don't use cement blocks. They crack and fracture suddenly (especially on their side! 7:44 ). You want solid wood blocking or sturdy jack stands.
Cement blocks are dangerous, but the biggest issue is not understanding how to load them. I turned one on its side (holes horizontal) as a kid trying to help my uncles jack up an old Ford 8N and the block broke; thankfully no one was hurt. They didn't check my work and I was too young to know, so it wasn't my fault, but I learned a valuable lesson about concrete blocks that day ;). The holes must be parallel to the loading and this usually hides them from view.
For the battery these days you can get something pre-made from the golf cart lithium conversion market. The 72V 105Ah options do about 200A continuous and 500A for 3s which should be enough for this application. And since they're LFP batteries they're very safe and will last forever.
Forever is a stretch but definitely longer
500A for 3 secondes?
you are a clever Nerd. I wish I could spend my holidays with you in your workshop helping you with projects. I am 70 years young.
Very well done. I run a small farm with my wife, and our everyday tractor, a Kubota, spends a lot of its day idling between and during chores. A much larger Ford does the grunt work. But an electric tractor would be a great substitute for the smaller one.
Be careful at higher speeds and on uneven ground. Tractor roll-overs kill a few people every year. And if you install a roll bar, wear a seat belt. It's pretty much impossible to stay in the seat when the tractor flips. Please don't become a statistic!
.....and when you're pulling hard, keep the drawbar low. Remember, "It all comes down to physics." Make this into a 3d sign and hang it on your shop wall.
right, this person may or may not have the experience with the weight transfer with a tractor, we shall see
The scariest ride I had was a 1930 tractor as a teenager got it into travelling gear opened the throttle with iron bar . Front wheels started to bounce off the dirt road. More of a kangaroo hop .Throttle was broken just needed smacking closed with iron bar. Bloody near impossible while hanging on for dear life. Never again was terrified. Never mentioned that one to Dad.
I am so impressed with your combination of skills and knowledge; on the one hand you had all the hitech skills to make the electrics work and also what I call farmer skills dismantling with the front-end loader and fabricating and welding.
Adding some tapping fluid to that hole saw cut (or anything you're drilling) will dramatically speed up the cut and improve tool life.
I did, you can see the bottle of Tap Magic at 12:02 ;)
@@LiamTronix Oh I missed it! I use tap magic too lol. In truth, cutting a hole like that by hand is going to suck no matter what. Love the videos!
@@LiamTronix A 1/2 inch hole drilled at a point that the hole saw is going to cut through will let chips escape and speeds up the process.
No amount of coolant/lubricant was going to make that job not suck. 100 points to Liam for seeing it through. That's a horrible task but you got it done!
A larger drill would also help tremendously.
20v XR isnt bad, unless youre trying to use a 6" hole saw.
I converted a ford N 9 (80years old) a few years ago to electric . with a 6 kw battery. i can generally do about 4 - 6 hrs of work ( pulling a trailer) and when i am deep tilling, plowing discing my garden and/or hilling my potatoes with it I get 2to3 hours of work out of it. if I am grading my road usually around 3 - 4 hrs. and if I am swamping full length trees out of the forest about 1 to 2 hours. it can pull far more then what ICE ford N9 could due to the extreme amount of torque an electric motor has and you risk blow apart your transmission ( which I have done) as it is, it is either go or spin there no such thing as stalling. if you want to do harder work or use the 3pt. you probably have to add weight to the front at now the front end is too light and you will loose steering traction.. but my tractor probably will pull far more then yours will as i using two smaller fork lift motors hooked inline series . so i have far more torque at lower rpms then you can achieve . also your motor is designed for higher rpm operation mine are designed for lower rpm operations. you could probably put your tractor in 1st gear and still be able to go 37 miles per hour . my motor operate at what the the Original ICE top rpm was. so the tractor behave just as the original tractor did . if I was you I probably put in a gear reduction on your motor. so you can operate at a lower amp draw it prolong the life of your motor and make the tractor safer
Here's an idea for you. I think you could use a heavy duty transfer case with two motors on the front driveshaft yoke and one on the T-case input shaft from the original transmission. Then you could mount the driveline shaft yoke to connected to the transmission. That way you could put the transfer case in 2WD to run 1 motor or put it in 4WD to run two motors for heavy pulling. It would extend your range. You would also have the option to mount a PTO on the transfer case, put the transfer case in neutral and run a hydraulic pump to operate things like a wood splitter.
@@EnGammalAmazon not sure how well that would work since i still use the gears on the tractor as normal. 1st gear for plowing. and swamping trees . 2nd gear for hilling and grading. and 3 gear for transport. I do have PTO and hydraulics (if I tap in to the 3point hitch hydraulics ).
Great job. At the beginning of the video I thought you were messing around, but your build is amazing. Nice battery pack, great engineering. Liked the editing.
Dang dude
From layout to fabrication
Your an animal
Excellent work
Congratulations young man
Plus the videography
What a good project !!!
I converted a mini pick up to 10kw Motor, 10kWhr batt with 40miles max range.
I drive daily to less than 25miles so it’s now my daily drive…
My VW Touran is now parked indefinitely in the garage.
Love the change !!!
A new, good tech channel with under 10k subs! That's not every week. And your wiring work man! That's some proper work. Kudos!
For actual ploughing for 2 hours you will need 5 of those batteries, plus cooling.
I do like your build very much
Now there's a spare diesel engine that someone could use to revive an old chassis, potentially resulting in more working model 65s. Would be interesting to see a weight comparison, too, if considerably lighter it could allow for more batteries, and more use time! Though yer wallet might wince a lil'. Can't wait for part 2.
@@Callsign_Sturm That sounds like fun, what kinda engine?
Your measurement of fuel energy capacity vs electric doesn't take into account that electric is nearly 3x more energy efficient compared to diesel.
His electricity is still being generated through a fossil fuel source. The charger gets plugged into the wall. Now if he made it with solar panel trailer then it would truly be fully electric.
@@Reed.dakota Actually, less than 10% of our energy in Ontario comes from fossil fuels. See here for details:
www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/provincial-territorial-energy-profiles/provincial-territorial-energy-profiles-ontario.html
@@Reed.dakota Even being produced by burning the dirtiest coal is cleaner and takes less energy than diesel. If you're considering the source of the fuel, you have to consider the oil refinery energy costs, which are MASSIVE.
@@seawolf2830 and also the cost of moving the diesil to your tractor
Sigh....you sweet summer child
That punch at 13:52 is really badly mushroomed and needs to be ground down before a piece pings off into your squishy bit.
You really shouldn't mix oil or hydraulic fluid with coolant. It makes it more difficult to recycle. We used to have to test army reservoirs of spent oil for contamination specifically for that.
Ahhh Oil Floats To The Top And It's Sucked Off!!! How Hard Is That???
i think he just burned the oil in the big greenhouse oven at 13:09
This project will put you on a good path to creativity for the rest of your life. I've been at it for over 65 years now and a new idea to improve something still lights me up. Remember, "It's never too late to have a great childhood!" and "Don't listen to the 'nay-sayers!"
The use case is unique, most of us on the farm wouldn't be able to only use the tractor for an hour each day. Literally run the chore tractor all day, old AC D14. Nevermind the main ones that run 24/7 during harvest. Cool project though.
And that is enough reason for you to poison your environent every day without end?
Of burning precious fossil ressources and hurt your children every day?
Just because you can not imagine bulding a tractor with a bigger battery and somehwat better efficiency to be able to replace your precious old AC D14?
He does speed😮 but I have not seen a plow being pulled yet
The use case is very common. Various odd jobs around an old farm can benefit from a small tractor with various attachments. Not to be confused with a beast of a machine that runs 24/7 during harvest of massive fields. Very different, but still common use case.
Yes, it will be interesting to see how the tractor works out in practice. My guess is that it will actually exceed his target performance ... and there's plenty space to add more battery capacity if he needs it. The 125kWh of energy referred to early in the video is the energy content of the diesel fuel which has excellent energy density ... however, an internal combustion engine turns most of the energy from fuel into heat and friction ... only getting about 20% of the original energy into "work". An electric motor will likely have about 90% efficiency so even though he doesn't have 125kWh in his battery pack he won't need anything like that.
your calculation at 4:20 about the energy in diesel fuel compared to batteries - neglects to allow for the low efficiency of combustion enginges (in this case probably about 25%) so you can get by with a battery of 30kw/h per hour which is highly achievable.
Apologies, I just made a similar comment before seeing that you spotted the same issue! My guess for an old diesel like this was less than yours ... I reckon I was being very generous suggesting 20% efficiency! He easily has space for the required battery capacity if he chooses to max it out. (I just checked out his motor model ... dirt cheap!! He saved enough to add battery capacity!)
4:07 There's a mistake there.
Most diesel engines are only 30-40% efficient compared to 95%+ efficiency from battery to motor.
Considering this tractor is an old one we can assume it has an efficiency of 30%.
There are 10,700 Wh of energy in a liter of diesel. Only 3210 Wh is used. All the other energy is wasted as heat.
11×3210 Wh ×1h = 35,310 Wh
So half the size of tesla model 3.
And wasted as noise. Lots of noise.
@@edave111significantly less noise than any agricultural diesel engine.
redditor /s
@@linusx1x 😂
Reddit has the most intelligent and intellectual user base/s
all fun and games but a Tesla couldn't pull a plow even if it has rough profile offroad tires, and if it could (you'd need a cybertruc to pull a 1,5 meter stubble plow) your battery will be flat faster than a old diesel trying to start in a rough winter
A gentleman whose exact name I disremember, something Howe, was building a Farmall Cub electric conversion; his was far less comprehensive in that he simply backfed the entire drivetrain via a motor driving the PTO shaft. It meant not running anything from the PTO but for dragging implements like harrows and scraper blades it worked fine. As I recall his had a solar canopy as well; a week of sitting in the sun was sufficient to do a weekend's worth of chores.
Excellent idea and makes complete sence for agricultural vehicles. What do you want from your tractor? Instant torque ☑ Run all day ☑ Low maintence ☑ Ability to run off renewable energy (that could be self generated on most agricultural land) ☑ What's not to love!?!
Great work! I'm in the middle of converting an international 3414 right now. I've been waiting years for mister Benjamin Nelson to finish his tractor conversion series, and I'm happy you beat him to it.
All that work to make a less useful tractor. I love it
ok the extension cord dropping the beat like lightning gets a lol and a sub
Great. This size tractor would not be used on plowing fields long days anyway. So electric can work nicely. Put the front loader back on so it will make a nice farm tool for lifting heavy things around the yard. I find my old tractor mostly idling in these type of yard tasks. Other thing to investigate is if you could high-speed charge it up via the PTO (with another tractor / a huge old electric motor from the grid / steam engine / whatever floats your boat).
The hell why doesn’t this video have a million views? This is the coolest thing I’ve ever seen.
Best thing I watched on youtube for months. Love your sense of humor as much as all these skill you show off. Keep going !!!
this is so sick, there isnt alot of ppl like you thats good in all fields electronic and mechanical like this. Id be doing shit like this as well if i had a farm
1:15 try starting a similarly old design Chieftain tank in the morning if you want smoke that stings your eyes. 😂
Came here from reddit. Cool.
which subreddit?
@@tafsirnahian669 r/electric vehicle and through his profile.
Who cares?
@@Maikel1500 the video's creator and me.
@@JSM-bb80u 👏🏻
A deadman switch for the seat or even on the floor would be a great safety addition
It's crazy how many good channels are actually Canadian. And dang, all that stuff is way way more expensive up here than south of the border. Eeek.
Nice work! I converted a small Sears Suburban to electric, using a 48v brushless motor and some old Chevy Volt/ Nissan Leaf cells. It was a lot easier since I literally just swapped out the engine for the motor and changed the belt that drives the transmission. I mainly used it to move a 24ft camp trailer around my tiny urban yard.
Excellent work! You mention that a tank of diesel has a zillion kW-hrs or energy. However, that old diesel is probably only 25% efficient (modern DI engine runs 30 to 40%) which gives the electric system a big leg up. If the tractor then spends a lot of time stationary, loading, unloading, hitching etc, the electric version is using zero energy while the diesel is idling away creating the smoke screen!
Roll on part 2 😋😋
Super cool project. You young guys are knocking it out of the park with all of the battery conversions. Subbed and liked. I can't wait to see this completed.
While I know you are converting the tractor into a race car, someone will eventually hook up a brush hog. The "live PTO" two clutch setup keeps from the spinning brush hog blade pushing the tractor into buildings, fences, or ditches. One workaround is get a "overrunning clutch" that goes on the PTO shaft and the brush hog attaches to the clutch. It transfers power in the normal direction but if you use the foot clutch to stop the tractor power the implement just spins the overrunning clutch. Live PTO was a big technology improvement to run equipment like hay balers.
The mechanical, electrical and IT knowledge all wrapped together was mind blowing. I wish the engineers I work with were as smart as you.
Very impressive with the tools available. Well done!
I think you missed a trick, not calling it a MassEV Fergusson E5, but hey...love it all!
Converting it to electric is great, but you backing that tractor out of the shed is another story.
I would highly recommend double battery, solar roof, and the biggest thing I'd recommend is a small little portable generator strapped right under that hood somewhere where in an emergency you can charge the thing up off the generator and get to where you need to go.
Reddit sent me here. Great stuff! Love your humour and editing. Subscribed for sure.
I too was sent here by Reddit and also appreciate the humour and editing and have subsequently subscribed.
Modern day "Scrapheap challenge" Well done!
Proper job from here in the UK. 👍
Epic electric tractor conversion 🙌
@@MonarchTractor Thanks! Wanna do an electric tractor swap? :D
That custom battery box is sick. I had to rewind to see if it was a commericial solution. Was surprised to see someone who knows their stuff. Earned yourself a sub!
A gamer chair would make a sick looking seat for this thing.
As an ag diesel Tec I love seeing people making their stuff how they want it to be. I say that because I believe that no manufacturer makes things perfect so it’s up to you, if that means electric swap the good for ya! Just please don’t let that old diesel sit around and rot, donate it to a diesel Tec program they would love to have a new project! Awsome vid!
Worth the 919 day wait
Good idea. Great experience with electric energy storage, motors etc. I was young also at one time, and wanted tractors to go fast, turn as tight as possible. Top speed . Cool
now can it do all the jobs it was originally built for. that's the ultimate test.
Nice, I've thought about doing the same to a tractor here that we use for pulling a hay rake and garden plow.
I'm a massey collector so I like originals tractors. But you know what ? That's an amazing projet and I enjoyed to watch it ! Keep going on that way, actually I work on small articulated tractor with real work capacities, and I'm not sure about the energy at this point, but you prove to me that the electric can be a good idea 😉
Here's an idea for you to add to this build, a compressed air range extender. I recently read an article about how some ferry services were looking at using compressed air motors to go green instead of batteries because they're able to be filled much faster than the batteries can be charged. Thought since this tech only works for large vehicles it might be a nice addition to the tractor.
I just happened across this from the algorithm wow!! What a great build. I'm also in Canada, thinking of doing a tractor at some point, so I appreciate the video!
I like your attitude and skill with this conversion. Will look forward to the further modifications!
Excellent work!
Can not wait to see more of this!
that was a nice video of a conversation and I didn't really thaught that the electric version would increase the maximum speed, great job. especially the electric work you showed 1,37 sec looks really clean.
Day 1 on Cavalary Corps, Private is afraid of mounting a horse. In fact he's never been close to any such large animal in his entire urban life...
"Sarge, I am afraid I've never mounted a horse"
"Don't be afraid, private, we'll find for you a horse that has never been mounted."
I love the sound of the straight gear transmission.
It felt so good, when you used the metric system for the velocity! Thank you very much!
I think he's Canadian ...
Dude. You are a genius. You should start a business converting these tractors and selling them.
That is objectively impressive. I want one...
Impressive. Also make shure that the screws on the electric busbars don't come loose due to vibration and temperature cycles. Loose connection will have increased electric contact resistance and could create hot-spots which can cause fire.
really makes you realize how most of the tractor is just an engine
*all. you're litterally sitting on the gearbox. these things were all motor, with a frame attached only when power became a structural problem.
It's half the name.
Traction Engine.
I have Yugoslav Massey Ferguson 35 (IMT 539).
It has a dual stage clutch where you can disable PTO with full press or just the wheels at half press.
I always wanted to convert it, so the hydraulic does not have parasitic loss, at least no more than necessary. So since the PTO has its own transmission, where it can be locked to engine or wheel speed, you could turn it to engine position, and then feed the power from PTO connector in the back, provided you have a second motor.
Also, I live in a hilly area and we use engine braking a lot. So, for trailer and other towing, I would prefer AC motor, so I can set the speed, not the power level like on DC motors.
This is crazy! I can’t believe this only has 700 views. Your production quality and commentary are great.
Appreciate it!
Electric pallet jacks and forklifts demonstrate the torque and smooth control possible with battery powered tractors.
Also,we use battery powered drills and saws in construction and see efficiency and quieter operation . Generators and compressors were great back in the eighties when I was framing houses. That’s Stone Age now. The battery powered nail guns are heavy but you don’t have to drag around an air hose or listen to a compressor.
I prefer to use screws and ,while it’s slower, I like the quieter environment and stronger fastening. A 4 amp hour 20 volt battery is only 80 watt hours of energy. A 5.12 kilowatt hour LFP server rack battery weighs about 100 lb,costs about
$2500 including a EG4 3 kw inverter to power your tools and drill chargers,and will recharge your drill battery 64 times.
Since weight is not usually a problem with tractors, you could carry 60 KWH of LFP at 1200 lb . One hp is 740 watts. That’s 81 horsepower hours. It seems to me that you could run that tractor all day for most applications.
Plowing is high consumption and going out of style with sustainable farming but many tasks of farm tractors are far less energy intensive.
13:08 ☝uhm, actually: Oil isn't liquified dinosaurs, it's most likely to be long dead algae. 🤓
I heard is was mainly plants. Fungus was not around to decompose them for the longest time.
@@jamesphillips2285 geologist here. The plant kingdom includes algae. And a dead terrestrial plants metamorphose to coal. In certain circumstances.
And there's no need in somebody to decompose it. In fact, quite opposite. The mass should be preserved w/o oxygen long enough to get covered from above and finally get deep enough where pressure and high temperature do their job. I dunno, I was told so.
Not sure where you came from or how you got here but I’m glad you exist. I want my kids to go to school in Canada just for your (Canadian) humor. Keep up the good work young man!
will be no Canada in 50 years, it will be half China & half India
Heavy batteries actually make more sense than a combustion engine because a tractor usually has cast iron rear wheel weights and cast iron suitcase weights on the front. One cast iron suitcase weight cost $90 and the tractor might have 10 weights. So that $900 in front weights could just as easily be $900 in batteries.
I wish we had a steel place like that where I live for the average Joe . I've never seen a tractor converted to electric good job.
Love it! What was the total parts cost?
I love your narration. Good sense of humour. You condensed a big project in a quite small video. Well done 👍 I'd watch if you made more detailed videos of the entire build.
"Buy as many as you want and don't convert them to electric." Instant subscribe.
Thanks :D
Some people are scared of their shadow
Hope this will encourage manufacturers to market tractors with an electric powertrain. Your results show that this has a great marketing potential. At the same time, it would be nice to do the bodywork and restore the tractor to its deserved glory.
I think they actually say "Don't count your chickens before they're flux weakened"
I wouldn't have the heart to do that myself but I wouldn't blame anyone for doing it either. You can really go to town on batteries. Tractor needs to be pretty heavy to do its job. Most have additional weights here and there. Extra weight from the batteries would be a bonus in this case. And solar roof would be an excelent feature. You would have a tractor that can "rest" and regain its strength back after some time in the sun.
In New Zealand there is a company running a chinese electric tractor commeriallly. The orchard company added a solar panel roof as the tractor didn't have enough battery to do a full day otherwise.
Cool project, Where are the battery modules pulled from?
Thanks! They're SPIM08HP cells from Battery Hookup. They were used to start backup generators.
batteryhookup.com/products/36v-48ah-1776wh-spim08hp-36v-power-module
Thanks!
Dude when you did welding and cutting you had my respect. Then you proceed to build your own battery including BMS and even know SSH. You are a fucking mechanical, electrical and software engineer at the same time. Great work!!
This kid remarked, "There's a reason why electric tractors haven't taken over like electric cars have." However, this statement is not grounded in reality. Contrary to the claim, only a tiny fraction of the population-around 0.1%-owns electric vehicles. The adoption of electric cars is still in its early stages, far from widespread dominance. To suggest that electric cars have "taken over" is misleading. In fact, both electric tractors and electric cars face similar challenges in terms of cost, infrastructure, and technology, and neither has become the norm yet. The idea that electric vehicles, whether cars or tractors, have fully replaced their traditional counterparts is a significant overstatement.
this is dope. I love that the next generation is just DOING this. There are so many vehicles that are going to get a 2nd life!
I have a real challenge for you, convert a tractor to a traction engine. Diesel to steam conversion, pressurized steam is incredibly strong and it's better for the environment. Also steam whistles aound cooler than any horn.
Great project, forget the haters. If people don’t see the value in this on a farm, they’re not looking. A tractor seldom runs all day long on a truck (vegetable) or livestock farm. As you stated, this will be pulling a trailer for short periods all day long. On an apple farm, for example, this would allow you to tow the bin wagon into a row, get filled, then tow it back to the bin barn and back. No diesel, no noise, no fumes on the apples. No spooked wildlife, no fuel spills, no ear protection. No buying a new tractor because clearly, that Diesel engine was done. Probably $5k in new parts and material vs $50k for a new tractor.
I dunno, I can’t see past the value.
Such a cool build! Can't wait to tackle a project like that for our farm! Love it.
This was much better than expected. Lovely work.
Unironically with the SHT show that is modern cars and the ever looping doomsday for parts even in the future of "3d print fabrication" this makes a LOT of sense. You retain control and ownership of the vehicle and can maintain it on your own. Awesome job
Edison motors in Canada has retro fit kits. Hybrid seems to be the best way so far, because batteries 🔋 need charging. Our ancestors used water 💧 or hydro to make saw mills and grain mills. I think if people lived by streams and rivers could put more generators out to charge batteries 🔋. Nice to see people just wanting to make things.❤
The Edison hybrid approach is appropriate for their use case. However, if you can cover your needs with batteries alone that's always going to be preferable. This tractor doesn't need to drive long distances, it's always going to be around the farm and can be plugged in at night. The cost, complexity and maintenance of hybrid wouldn't be worth it (IMHO). It would be driving around lugging an unnecessary engine most of the time.
I am in to see you make all those modifications to the old tractor. Good luck, Mike from Montreal.
I never tought building a tractor can be that cool. It was awesome and really like the way how you show us the process.
A shunt and gauge will allow you to monitor the current load from the dash.
That drill press at 19:59 is pretty sweet, haha