Is First Class on a French TGV inOui worth it? Trip review Paris to Bordeaux on Oceane TGV
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This video reviews the SNCF French Railways' high speed train service from Paris to Bordeaux France in June 2019 on board a TGV InOui. Travel time - 2h09 (310miles / 499 km)
This Oceane type train sets were introduced in 2017 and put a focus on comfort and connectivity. The WiFi was pretty good indeed but
lacked in terms of entertainment content. The TGV Océane train seats 556 travellers (158 in 1st class and 398 in 2nd class). There are four wheelchair spaces
First class seats can be turned to face the direction of travel.
Ticket booked online: www.sncf.com/fr for 103 euros
Book up to 3 months in advance for the best fares (or tickets for the TGV InOui can also be bought from railways station in France or multi-lingual
self-service machines)
All TGV bookings include an assigned seat no additional check-in required
All 1st & 2nd class fares are now changeable & refundable, free of charge until 30 days before travel,
then for a €5 fee until 3 days before travel, then for a €15 fee until half an hour before departure
For further information, I would recommend the ever useful "Man in Seat 61" website
www.seat61.com...
Check-in and boarding: ***
Seat comfort: ****
Cabin cleanliness: *****
Staff: ****
Food and drinks: **
Entertainment: ***
Value for money: ****
Recommend: yes
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As a regular TGV user I must say I really don't care about on-board services. The structure of the TGV makes catering services impossible anyway. So I'm glad they can cut on some costs to keep ticket price at a reasonable rate.
That's a fair point and speed is it's main selling point
Purchasable drinks (some fresh beer) and meals at your seat, as you get it in german ICE first class, are appreciated after a long business-day. SNCF should think about it on its routes >1hour.
@@lausimeyer6558 meals at your seat is actually a thing now in selected tgv routes, for long trips
@@Speedbird1FLY And while it can use TGV tracks, how often does it? INOUI (and OUIGO) are their Amfleet - susidized people-movers for short distances. IT is why I want to see OUIGO-equivalents in the US. Alstom cam build them - they have the facltiies in the US to do so - the issue is Congress. They have been using AMTRAK as a whipping-boy since it was created - and unfairly at that. I suggsted towo types of new trains - Liberty Duplex (a duplexed version of Liberty) for the NEC and an Amfleet replacement, and Cascades Duplex (based on and built around SC-44 Charger) for unelectrified lines (built by SIEMENS). Yes - they can go faster - when the systems catch up; however, in the meantime, they fill an existing hole - moving lots of folks at cheap rates - which OUIGO and ICE-3 in Europe do today, and what AMTRAK's initial mission was supposed to be.
Agree. I like the no-nonsense approach. Does everything have to be "premium-ised"? The rich can have their limousines or private jets and need not take the train with the commoners.
We need this train in America. It is far better than any aircraft’s options I have seen
I haven't tried train travel in the US yet. On my list. Any routes you would recommend?
Speedbird1 FLY I have not been on an American train in years so I have no clue what it may be like
@Dfw Fqdefqw I am afraid that's not quite right as it would be a challenge to find an airfare for the 10th of that price and the high speed train does the journey from city centre to city centre so faster (and I do like flying but for such route it's a no brainer)
@@Speedbird1FLY the only good routes kn the country are routed along the northeast corridor (a section of track that runs from Boston to Washington DC.) So the acela express and northeast regional would be good, but they are EXPENSIVE since they are among the few fast trips in America
@@ryankiser294 I look forward to trying them when travel to the US is possible again. Stay safe and thanks for your feedback 😃👍
I go out and return by TGV-INOUI every couple of months from de Gaulle to Poitiers. As transportation services continue to decline in the US, France have continued making improvements, I always have great interactions with SNCF staff. Professional, polite, helpful.
Great to hear Paul. I find prices lower compared to the UK. I am yet to try train travel in the US
The last few weeks have been very hectic and publishing this video was long overdue. Thanks for your patience and hope you enjoy the ride
how was your trip in Bordeaux ?
Excellent. I can't wait to be able to travel again and spending time on the coast near Bordeaux or visiting Toulouse are both on my to-do list. Thanks for watching
Thank you kindly for taking the time to reply to my query. Happy travelling.
I've been in it from Marseille to Antibes, very good ride and comfort. Jolie et meme les trains OuiGo aussi.
Thanks for watching. And the train ride to Antibes must be very scenic?
Nice video, showing all important aspects of the trip! The cabin you in the video looks more modern than the one I had from Marseille to Paris. But all in all, I think France has a very sophisticated high speed rail network. Foodwise, I think the TGV Lyria has more to offer and I found it a little bit disappointing that there is no service at your seat.
Thanks. These trains were introduced in 2017. Very comfortable ride but
Improved on board service seems to be limited to international services
thanks for sharing this. It helped us decide inoui vs thalys. It seems both options are good but this one is a bit more value oriented.
Glad you found it useful Ivan. Hope you enjoyed your trip
I like how there's clearly a more communal atmosphere on board
there's more room to move around and it doesn't have that tin can feel of airplanes
A really nice cabin
Good video! Patrick and I rode all over Germany and one ride from Munich to Paris on the TGV Duplex using a first class Eurorail Pass. We messed up reserving the seats on the TGV when we didn’t realize the agent booked us in economy (2nd class)! We got on the train and spoke with the staff and they told us to just take any available seats in first. Unfortunately at every stop we had the possibility of getting kicked out or move seats because of new passengers joining with seat assignments. It was not relaxing at all, and we had to change seats about 3 times during our journey.
Very annoying and not much chance to relax. As well as the extra hassle to move the bags. Did you have any at seat service? I heard that the high speed trains between Paris and Switzerland have such services. I know the Eurostar does in first class
And today is the Eurostar 25th anniversary!!!
If you see this comment…..I am so torn in deciding to do Paris to Munich by train or plane. The cost is $95 for first class train, and $112 for Lufthansa flight. 5.5 hours vs 1.5 hours. Is the train worth the extra travel time. Can you give me any pros and cons? I’m from the US, so I’ve never taken a euro train before. I’m just trying to decide if an extra 4 hours in travel time, would give me any benefits on the train.
Great Video my friend... Thumbs up 👍
Thank you so much for watching Thomas. It's great to hear you enjoyed it
I am a regular user of this service when travelling between north of UK and St Jean de Luz/Ciboure. My observation are:-
(i) Montparnasse is the worst terminal in Paris by a distance making Gare du Nord seem like a haven of efficiency, tranquility and design excellence .... ! Not to mention the lengthy hike from the metro (slightly reduced by using RER B to Denfert Rochereau then M6 to Montparnasse rather than M4 direct from Gare du Nord with a 700m marathon at the end usually enlivened by the regular failure of the moving walkway!)
(ii) 1st class is worth the small premium for the extra comfort but is not comparable with Eurostar or LNER for catering (reflected in reduced price differential). I usually buy a sandwich and drink from Paul at Montparnasse (but never go to Monop Daily - there is a reason why there is rarely a queue ... )
(iii) I always choose lower deck as it is much quieter since the upper deck contains the path to the cafe-bar while each lower deck cabin is a sealed unit. There is nothing much to see outside so a marginally reduced view is no great sacrifice.
Tim - thank you for your very valuable feedback and all my best wishes for 2020. I endured the lengthy metro connections during a previous trip to Montparnasse station so I opted for a bus journey when I travelled last June. Quite pleasant! (and just as quick considering the long walkways)
I would agree about the overall feel of that station -it's rather poor and reminds me of Euston station.
Really good point about the lower deck cabin. I didn't think about it. I chose a carriage at one end of the train for a quieter ride. Last time I took the TGV it was from Gare de Lyon to the Med. The view was much more enjoyable.
Time to plan future trips :-)
Thanks for watching
Very helpful advice. Thanks! We're off to Paris via Montauban/Bordeaux and were wondering if we should count on the food/bar services onboard.
My favorite first class train experiences were on the Chunnel train from Paris to London, the Renfe train from Barcelona to Madrid, and the Brightline (Virgin) train from Miami to West Palm Beach! Food and drink included in your ticket price delivered to your seat with a trolley.
Peut-être mais à quel prix ? Vous êtes bien silencieux à ce sujet !
There are many elements to take into consideration - the ticket price. For example in the UK, first class fares can be at times offered with very attractive promotional prices. Subsidies - how much tax payers fund some train services
@@Speedbird1FLY You should know that TGV services (Inoui or Ouigo) are not subsidized.
Bordeaux station, Hausmann style i like it!
Me too!
Great. Felt like the user was in the train's journey.
Impressive Sir.
Visit Our subcontinent.
Thank you so much Alex. That's precisely the impression I like to create. I have more scenic rides to share. Happy to send you the link. I'd love to visit India when this horrible Pandemic goes away and I am sure you would have valuable recommendations. In the meantime, hope you stay healthy and safe 😷
very informative and well put together, thank you.
Thanks for watching and your kind feedback
I’ve attempted to take video in the cafe car of many trains, and always get told to stop immediately! So annoying!
Really!! By the bar staff? Some of the cafe cars can have a really nice design, I would have thought staff would have been glad to see it being showcased
Speedbird1 FLY yes, the bar staff immediately freaked out at told me to stop!
@@Luke_Starkenburg
That's too bad and I am.sure you were considerate. Love the experience of enjoying food while travelling
Very nice and useful review, thank you : )
Thanks for watching and sharing this nice feedback
Hello There, a decent summary and perspective the interior looks amazing, shame about the lack of service, cheers Peter Mc 🙂
Hello There, a really helpful and well informed video throughout. Cheers Peter
@@petermc7098 thanks for watching and your great feedback. That's exactly what I am aiming for my videos
@@Speedbird1FLY Good to hear.
@@Speedbird1FLY I am glad to here it! Cheers Peter
it looks real nice. Hopefully we'll get spaceships pretty soon.
I hope so too!
They should really have free (or paid) food and bar service served at your seat! There should be a little galley in the first class carriage which is only for first class so it’s not competing with the regular cafe car. Maybe raise the price of a first class ticket a little to pay for this.
Yes, even a pre-order and seat drop would make a huge difference. But in terms of comfort... Excellent. Quiet, and very relaxing
Speedbird1 FLY not having to wait 1/2 hour in line for any food or drink would be worth it!
@@Luke_Starkenburg and more sales for the train company. Thanks for watching 😀😀😀👍👍👍
Speedbird1 FLY you can preorder via the on board WiFi
Luke Starkenburg the truth is, you rarely stay more than 2-3 hours on a TGV and they’re really cheap. I really don’t miss it. I’ve probably ordered food once in 20 years…
Travelling from Lieges to Bruxelles 1st class using Thalys, the "Bedienung am Platz " was my Highlight. I was looking forward to it, as I will be travelling from Paris to Brest in one week :/
firdt class is OK, Coffee is very nice. I Remember in Summer Marseille - Nice. Great Space
Thanks for watching
great video! its nice that you put your star rating in the description, but i would also appreciate the trip info as well like the date, price, duration, destination :)
All of that is I believe featured during the video. You're welcome to watch it again ;-) .
Excellent suggestion and now added to the description too. Thanks for watching (again?)
I enjoyed your video very much.
😃😃 thank you. As we are still unable to travel, it's great to remember all those trips
très belle vidéo
Merci!!
Excellent video, thanks
Really appreciate your nice feedback. Thanks
This was a good video, thank you!
Thanks for watching and sharing your nice feedback 😀😀😀
Great Video. Thanks for sharing. We will be traveling from Paris to Bordeaux on August 29 and I was debating between driving there or taking the train. Naturally taking the train is much faster I was just trying to avoid being with crowds during this Covid breakout. And taking first class is the only way I would go as I can see that there are less people. I wonder if people are wearing masks on the train now.
No. No one wears masks over here.
Appreciate your video as we are about to take a return trip to Paris from Moissac (via Montauban/Bordeaux). Wondered if the food/bar service was worth the hassle for such a short trip. Don't think so! Had I known about the tray tables I wouldn't have worked so hard to sit in a tabled area. Good to know. Thank you!
I put in a request for an e-mail when a ticket is available to purchase for next summer. I'm going on a tour of France and Switzerland and have a day between tours. As I've never taken a bullet train I'm going to do that rather than fly from Paris to Zurich. Only if the price isn't substantially different would I consider 1st class...my vacation is already costing me a small fortune.
I honestly don't see a lot of difference between first and second class, except that the seat are maybe a few centimetres wider. Could have used leather seats at least.
Good point and leather seats are very durable. As the price difference with 2nd class was minimal, it was worth to go for 1st class otherwise I wouldn't bother paying more. Thanks for watching
You have the option to have an "isolated" seat in first class, that's the main difference
Informative. Would have been helpful to see how to find a taxi but no doubt its sign-posted. Looks quite cramped and your last observation suggests you are not all that impressed. Fortunately only two hours and better than the 'plane option.
@@andrewgrant5357 thank you Andrew. Both stations have clear signs and well connected
It's not the best first class I experienced but for a small price difference well worth it. The speed is impressive and it gets you to your destination so quickly
Thanks for watching
Cool
It's most comfortable luxurious n economic congrats n thanks
I do recommend it. Thanks for watching 😃
What is the best way to get from Charles de Gualle to Gare Montparnasse? We will flying in from the US and will be taking a train from Paris to Bordeaux. Also to clarify are there 2 main rail stations in Paris, du Nord and Montparnasse? On the SNCF Connect site to get tickets, it looks like I can only book from Montparnasse
RER from CDG to Gare du Nord, then metro line 4 (the purple one) from Gare du Nord to Montparnasse.
or Uber!
There are actually TGV train services to Bordeaux from Charles de Gaulle airport. For your departure station enter: Aeroport Cdg2 TGV Roissy. Avoid the hassle of changing to go to Montparnasse station.
TGV is Nice train!
Why is the American train system always 2 generations behind everything in Europe?!
Can you recommend the usb euro plug you are using please? Socket looks deep so wanted to check what you had. Thank you
It's a multi-USB from Anker. Very happy with it
Question: on my Ticket it Says I have to place an "Etikett" on my luggage. Is this like for flying or should this be my Adress?
There is no at-seat service on any trains in France at all as far as I know. It's still common in the UK?
Hi, as far as I know, it's only available on international services like Eurostar, Thalys and Lyra. It's something prevalent in the UK (but trains aren't as fast). I did a trip on The Gerald of Wales and enjoyed a nice cooked breakfast (with on board chef). Happy to send you a link to this trip report.
Thanks for watching
@@Speedbird1FLY Trains aren't as fast, but distances are shorter in the U.K. too, so average journey times are similar.
NSW trainlink does that too, you order from your seat however you must collect it yourself.
@@AussieGunzel hi, click and collect was also available on this high speed service. Alas the queue was so long even with priority pre purchase
@@3506Dodge what's the average train speed from London to Birmingham? The distance between London and Birmingham is 116 UK miles
We booked the first class tickets from bordeaux st jean to paris. Our seats are upper deck - wondering if there are any issues with boarding big luggages? Safety wise, any concern?
Hi, I would check if the service you chose is direct to Paris. If not, I would keep the bags within easy reach. I've seen passengers use bike security cables as well. there's storage for larger bags on them upper deck
Very well made and informative video, ignore the haters buddy❤
Thank you. I appreciate your positive thoughts. Means a lot
Очень великолепно.Хотелось бы ещё посмотреть немецкие скоростные поезда.
Спасибо Богдан. Я взял немецкий "ICE" в прошлом году - тоже очень приятно
Thank you very much! I'll see.
@@user-wk1kv7pk5u I have a bit of a backlog of good footage. Not enough hours between work and other things 😎 stay tuned. I published a recent video of a trip from Belgrade to Bar. Cheers
Where did you purchase the ticket? People advise purchasing online due to pricing and availability but i would rather buy it on the station?
Hi Haris, I bought it online. Better fares and more choice of seating compared to a last minute purchase at the station. It's also because I had time constraints and wanted to make sure I arrive at destination at a specific time. Thanks for watching and hope we'll all get to resume traveling soon!
@@Speedbird1FLY Thank you for the fast reply!
@@Speedbird1FLY One more thing. Where did you print out the ticket shown in the video?
Hi can i ask, is the first class cabins usually at the front or the back of the train? And when booking the tickets, how do you know which is the front/back? As I'm trying to choose seats facing forwards when the train moves. Thank you!
Hi, if I remember correctly my first class cabin was at the front of a train set. In first all seats are forward facing except 2 of the seats in a set of 4 around a table. Hope this helps. I also found the SNCF chat.useful when I had an issue with my booking. Safe travels
I feel the same as you. They could upgrade the 1st class services. I'm willing to pay a bit more to be able to eat at my seat if I want to. Also, 1st class passengers should get a free drink. And SNCF should have more choices of alcohol. I travel a lot between Paris and Tarbes or St Jean de Luz. I'm really disappointed by the lack of services. I will take the plane from now on.
0:28 What a blight on such a beautiful city. It's like having a beautiful girl intentionally carve an ugly scar on her face. A terrible sin!
This queues at the platform without a priority lane are horrible.
That wasn't really good experience. The station was designed well before such gates were installed (and the train capacity has hugely increased since). A priority boarding could help to mitigate but I am not sure how practical it is.
@@Speedbird1FLY it changed: you have a priority access queue for boarding for 1st class tickets now
Lol first class is no different than regular. And honestly I’ve seen some of the wierdest people in first. Especially going to Paris/coming back. Never had a problem in second.
Weird people could make any trip more entertaining 🤣
103 Euros?? That's way too expensive.
I'd rather buy a baguette and cheese, and take OUIGO for less than 30 Euros for the same trip. It takes the same time.
I tried OUIGO last year: it wasnt a great experience - a really busy service despite the pandemic and my seat wasn't facing forward. At the time of that journey OUIGO did take longer and didnt have a service at a time I needed. First class fare on the Inoui tgv was only a few euros more to the economy fare
@@Speedbird1FLY I bought my tickets for Paris to Bordeaux through SNCF, it was cheaper than many other sites - thanks for the advice. I also got a darn cheap ticket, I believe - paid only €51 for premiere class with seat selection, and it cost me only €4 more than the second class. Couldn't pass it!
@@KAMU13 awesome. So glad my tips enhanced your experience for a few extra euros while staying away from more expensive websites. Hope you had a good onboard experience too 😃👍 thanks for sharing your feedback
@@Speedbird1FLY I am traveling in Sept., but thought I’d purchase my tickets early due to the air travel mess currently going on in Europe and it’s probable effect on the train fares. Already the prices jumped by 10 Euros since I purchased my tickets, in less than a week.
@@KAMU13 good to book early. Leave enough flex for your connection so your plans aren't dramatically impacted if your flight is delayed or changed
What is the song in the intro, thank
0:09 the ticket says tvg instead of tgv 😅😅😅
Ooops well spotted 😊🤫
so not much more than 2nd class where you also have wifi, usb port and conncetion for your computer and lighting, etc... only the seats are slighly bigger
But if you can get it for almost the same price as 2nd class. You get to appreciate the extra space even more. Otherwise not worth it as no extra perks beyond a nice 1st cabin
Far better in first class, quieter (usually) and more comfortable..Much. much cheaper than 1st Class in the UK, TGVs travelling at twice the speed, smooth lines not old bumpy and vomit inducing Victorian rails. Yes you get food and drink in the UK which is fair quality but overpriced if you see the difference in ticket prices. Eating on the West Coast line you can end up with half of it in your lap.
@@davidperry7128 1st class pollutes more too (aside from being unjust), the rich pollutes more. also the french railways were cheaper when they were public. You should know why yours are expensive in the UK. The same and worth happened to you.
I’m looking your video from this train in business
Hi, that's such a nice coincidence. Are you connected on the train wifi? Thanks for watching
కొరియా ktx ,ఫ్రాన్స్ tvg బాగుంది .కానీ ,vbt (వందే భారత్ ) ట్రైన్ A .C కలర్ బాగుంది .అవసరమైతే లోకో పైలట్ మాట్లాడటం మరీ బాగుంది ! అయితే TVG స్టైల్ లేదు ! - విజయ్ ,ఒంగోలు
Всё-таки, электрическая силовая тяга имеет существенное отличие от дизельной силовой тяги, поэтому их унификация нецелесообразна.
Спасибо Алексей
I don’t think this train is worth it since you can take the low cost one for 1/4th the price
It's good to have choice. I also tried the low cost option and it's wasn't a very comfortable journey
and you can take 1/4 of luggages with you as well as arriving 2 hours before the plane departs then board puiblic transport to downtown
Low cost, OuiGo you get what you pay for, uncomfortable seats, far noisier. The TGV Duplex trains run as 'InOui' are brilliant.
Gorczany Forge
Parker Falls
The first class is NOT first class enough. No sleeper compartments for two with showers and private bathroom?
Thanks for watching.
I am not aware of any overnight high speed train services hence the absence of sleeper compartments. Those trains are just too fast 😄😎
Possible opening for a luxurious train? This is France mate, equality, brotherhood and freedom. They have a habit of chopping off the heads of those who want to be better than others.
Lol don't forget the great consumer democracy: people vote with their feet and more competition is needed
Man buys low fare ticket and then complains there aren't additional amenities. Lol, some people
lol had I paid a higher 1st class fare, I would have enjoyed the same absence of additional amenities. I guess the #1 perk of the service is ... the speed
In Miami, Brightline/Virgin Trains is much better than this, in Select/First Class. Here it includes a lounge with drinks, Champagne at the train when boarding, drinks served to you on the train as well.
That's very true. I look forward to trying this service when I am next in MIA. What's interesting with the French domestic high speed train is ability to secure a 1st class ticket for just a few extra euros. Well worth it for the extra comfort. Less so if you need to fork out more given the lack of soft product. I am due to travel again on Thalys in April, in first and I am glad to say that Thalys offers more in their first class service. Well fingers crossed as my travel situation has been rather fast changing in the last few days
Sure you drink champagne in virgin trains but do you travel at 200mph??
@@LittrowTaurus No, they are not high speed.
You can't compare one new small line in Florida rarely used by people end compared it with one of the most dense old end fastest networks of high speed train in the world
You can't compare some small private service in Florida used by a man and a dog to a massive high speed line.
"No at seat meal delivery...", "View nothing to write home about..." On a 2hr high speed hop? What a whiner...
Thanks for watching. It's something you get on similar services so certainly worth having the service or the option as an extra revenue opportunity
@@Speedbird1FLY Fair enough in terms of your expectation perhaps, but keeping the TGV fares affordable is more important to ridership, frequency and overall success of the service. Most of us eat before or after as the trips are only 1:30 - 3 hrs and work or watch a movie whilst travelling.
@@lours6993 my expectations as well as comparing with other high speed train services.
Looking at the high speed
train services serving France, thalys and frecciarossa offer such at seat catering. Same for TGV Lyria.
Judging by the queue at the bar of the inoui TGV I took, many pax also need or enjoy drinks or food while traveling.
@@Speedbird1FLY TGV Lyria; Thalys and others have 3 classes of travel - Meals are only included the top (‘Premium’) cabin, not 1st (or ‘Comfort’) and the fare is MUCH higher. If Frecciarosa is supplying meals at the same fare as a TGV in classic 1st class, we’ll see how sustainable that is.
@@lours6993 true although Eurostar does offer at seat drinks and food in its standard first class offering. I guess thalys and Lyria have spotted an opportunity in the market to upsell the first class offering. I'd love to try the Italian high speed train.
Sorry, this looks like shit.
France made better trains 200 years ago (orient express-like).
As far as modern trains, japan is much better in terms of ... everything.
This is supposed to be first class, I don't care about cutting costs. The first class is for people who DONT want to be cutting costs, otherwise they'd be traveling with the pleb. They want to pay to have comfort, and when I look at this, I don't see comfort.
Troll alert.
You mean, when jet didn't exist for ultra wealthy, there were castle on wheel to convoy them. What a shame we didn't live in this society anymore ...
Not too impressive! Looked not so cool as the Japanese Shinkansen! OK trip by rode TGV from Paris to Breton! 😏😬
I tried the Shinkansen a few years ago. I wasn't wowed , I did enjoy the wonderful design on the trains
Hello claustrophobia!!!
Great Video. Thanks for sharing. We will be traveling from Paris to Bordeaux on August 29 and I was debating between driving there or taking the train. Naturally taking the train is much faster I was just trying to avoid being with crowds during this Covid breakout. And taking first class is the only way I would go as I can see that there are less people. I wonder if people are wearing masks on the train now.
You are very welcome. Glad you enjoyed this video. I tried once the TGV ouigo and it was far too busy for my liking. A friendly price on an InOui train is a great way to travel to Bordeaux, especially if you have little use of your car once you get there. Happy travels PS I was in France in June and not many people were wearing masks.