BUYERS BEWARE! Comic Scams Are Out There! | Some Sellers Have No Respect! / ComicTom Got Scammed
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I know the exact feeling of “wanting to buy a nice book” lol. Happens to me every payday.
i guess Im kinda off topic but does anyone know of a good website to watch new series online?
Felt this 😂
I would have flipped my shit if I spent that much for a possible scam, good job coming out on top with the whole situation
Dealing with a fake 9.8 is probably frustrating but, getting a free Hulk #181 ultimately should’ve been worth the stress.
Yeah, I thought marvel should have put a better artist on Wolverine #1 at the time for such a high profile book. That’s why I wasn’t into it at the time.
@@chrischreative2245 honestly, despite the fact it's a #1 issue and his first monthly title, I hated this book. No uniform on Wolverine, re-imagined him as a street-level hero and changed his name to patch. I disliked everything about that book (I know people love it, to each their own). I sold mine, and would do it again
The 1982 limited series #1 with the great Miller art will always be my "superior" Wolverine #1
The scammer got scammed lol
I love it
This is why I check the cgc number to make sure it's legit first then inspect the hell out of the book when it arrives.
"Buy it off line" threw me for a second lol
I sell comics on eBay and recently had a comic book writer and artist buy a CGC graded 9.4 copy of Evil Ernie. He cracked the case open and then demanded a return of the book as he said he already read this issue in one of those omnibus compiled anthologies. I denied his return. He challenged my denial and held up my $455 payment to me. I had to send in proof that I don’t accept returns on my sealed comics. I won my case with eBay eventually and got my funds released to me. Great stories Tom & Jeff! 🤘👍
So grateful for this video. I've been buying slabs for the past several months and haven't even paid as much attention to the book as I should have before storing them away.
8:55 I love how he zooms Jeff's taking out the tape on the slab! 🤣
One of those moments we all needed to appreciate lolol
Tom, I found the ebay sale of your book and am just curious why you didn't hit the seller with negative feedback? Feedback is how the community polices itself and we rely on Feedback to know what sellers we can and cannot trust. I purchased a raw Batman 179 in NM/NM+ 9.4 minimum condition. I checked the pictures and all looked good so I won the auction. When I got the book there were numerous colour-breaking spine ticks that were most definitely not in the pictures...at least not until I increased the magnification on the areas to 500% and then I could finally see the definitive photoshop marks. The seller had photoshopped the spine defects out of the picture. The book had been sold 2 previous times by the same seller but when asked about it, I received no response. You can bet that I opened a case against him and hammered him with Negative Feedback. Unfortunately, ebay is still allowing him to sell. Tells you what ebay's priority is.
What pisses me off about seller ratings is that the percentage only accounts for the past 12 months.
I assume he didn’t hit it with negative feedback because he’s going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and assume that he’s not the one who attempted to slide one past him and that it was done before the seller had acquired it? Just a guess
Wow! Jeff basically with a free Hulk 181 in a 9.0? Talk about coming out smelling like roses!
You couldn't give a Wolverine #1 away for free back in the day, nor Eternals #1, nor Ms Marvel #1, or She Hulk #1!
someone just threw me a wolverine #1 roughly 9.4 as an extra thank you on an ebay order like days before it started taking off. im just stockpiling books at this point everything is becoming worth $$$ graded.
No doubt.
I got Eternals #1 like 3-5 years ago for 5 bucks.
Yeah, no doubt.
Remember when Amazing Spiderman 252 & 361 were common issues?
Remember when "The Death of Superman" was nearly the death of D.C.? Remember when everyone who collected had multiple cover variants for Spider-Man Torment issue #1?
Picking up Wolverine's 1st appearance or snagging a clean copy of Moon Knight Issue #1 was once fairly easy (and reasonably affordable.)
I'm also beginning to suspect that every single McFarlane/Spidey book will begin to fetch a small fortune in the next few years when savvy collectors gobble them up and finally finish adding them to their permanent collections.
The saturation phase of the early/mid 90's nearly drowned the entire comic industry.
Now, suddenly fans & collectors are starting to recognize what a powerful paradigm shift that particular decade truly represented. Comics would not be what they are today if not for the edgier artwork and more adult-driven narratives born during that unconventional wave of non-traditional artists.
I know this much, when my copy of Sleepwalker Issue #1 becomes a $100 book, I'll know I've finally come full-circle.
Welcome to the Renaissance of "Special Limited Foil Embossed Collector's Edition" comics.
Buckle up!
This is about to get bumpy...
@@jayblack7495 I recently started to collecting early image books (Youngblood,Wild C.A.T.S ect.) Just because a lot of that stuff isn't being reprinted.
Great story! Bought a one ounce Canadian gold coin on eBay ten years ago that was fake, but I had no idea until I tried to resell it. Had to deal with the cops plus eat the $750 I paid for it cuz too much time had gone by to trace the original seller. Buyer beware always!!!
Great info. I just started collecting slabs, so this is something I’ll be looking out for!
CGC needs to release grading notes for free and E-Bay needs to Boot these bootleg peddlers from causing any more thief
This
And photos online
Marvel and their fans have always been frauds and POS. You all pushed so hard on those shit Marvel movies, just to raise values. But, all those Marvel movies were just like their comics...Boring kiddie trash.
Guru! Glad you got your money back and got to keep that book. In the end.
Never have this problem with the good ol raw books!!👍🤔🤣
I have a story on a raw book that I got screwed over
@@STASHdadtv It is possible online,but never in person!
books are meant to read.
@@Ransolo626 they are not just books though
There's always a chance of slight color touch and once you buy you should own a black light and look at that book very carefully, both inside and outside the cover to see any deviation.
Lmao that " See you Sucker " took me out 😂😭
Crazy stuff. The Guru made out like a bandit on that one, lol.
Stuff like that only happens to rich people damn!!!
Insane. Thanks for calling this out. Never would have imagined that this sort of thing happened.
Wowwww! Sorry to hear about the suspect books and grades but glad you guys were on top of it!
Thanks to you both for sharing your stories.
Crazy stories! Thanks for sharing, always things to watch for
I've gotten scammed on eBay before. I have gotten a refund from eBay while not having to send back said NOT as described item because the seller initially refused my return.
Just using u as a platform. Thinking of postin some of my collection on Instagram. 🤔🤔🤔
😯 crazy, glad it worked out Jeff. And hopefully things get resolved quickly Tom
it must have been real stressful with that amount of money out in the air but at lest the guru got that 181 for free in the long run
I thought of a reason to put tape all the way around. Tom actually mentioned the possible reason. In the older cases you could crack them open slightly, but not all the way. And I have had CGC cases that do this. I could understand someone wanting to put tape on the edges to keep any dust, dirt, or hair from getting inside the case. Now that I think about it, I may want to do that for my older cases. However, I would use masking tape instead of Scotch tape because it is easier to remove.
Thank you for sharing this Tom and Golden Age Guru!
It was great meeting you both in San Diego last month!
I bought a PGX 9.8 Wolverine #1 (direct edition) from the ongoing series for an amazing price several months ago on eBay. I received it and inspected the slab and the slab could be completely opened from the bottom. I contacted the seller for a return or discount since I figured the book was essentially “raw” at this point. The seller apologized, gave me a full refund and told me to keep the book! Amazing!!! Definitely not a scam that time. I took it out and sent it to CGC, and realized that PGX’s labels are part of the sealed plastic that the book is in inside of in the holder. The CGC label is separate from the book. I really wish that the CGC label was sealed with the book like it is for PGX for extra fraud protection (can’t believe I had something good to say about PGX 😜).
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Crazy how fraudulent some people can be. Very good stories, Tom. Appreciate your content. Keep it up!
I have a copy of the newsstand Wolverine #1 that I bought at a greeting card shop when it was released. I believe many people overlooked this issue because Wolverine had been the cover feature of Marvel Comics Presents, so they failed to realize how important the starting of the ongoing series was. Sort of lost in the shuffle at the time. But I was buying the first couple of issues of most titles back then, so I got it.
I have a 9.9 from the 90’s on the old label, but I’m too scared to get it reholdered. I feel like if they regraded, you could just stare at it wrong and it would drop to a 9.8.
I am always taking chances buying cracked slabs and reholdering or regrading but always ask for pictures and more pictures. You never know out there, but this is a great community that supports each other.
Great video. I've fortunately had decent dealings with buying on Ebay until recently. I got a Last Ronin #2 ratio variant that came in damaged. It wasn't packaged well and USPS I believe damaged the top of the book. I also ordered a Voices #1 Dell'otto variany that got lost but thankfully arrived late. Like 2 months late.
Great video and 2 interesting (but frightening) stories. I’ve had a few issues when buying books off EBay, but nowhere close to the money you guys were talking about. We all need to share our stories to help each other be more informed in the future 😎👍
None of it is true though.
Moral of the story....don't buy expensive comics in a slab on the internet.
Yikes. Good to know. I'm not buying any more comics on Ebay that have only one picture of the front and back. Seems like they are trying to get away with something without closeups of all the corners.
I just received a 9.6 cgc comic. The sides of the case are so loose and open, that you could easily slip any comic in or out of it. The book looks 9.0, and not 9.6. I'm returning it to the ebay seller.
That' craziness! Both of you lol.
Tom staying extremely cool n collected about this whole shenanigans. Crazy story bout that hulk 181
Tom you are awesome but you don't buy off line from eBay you buy on line everything from the internet is getting it on line as in on the internet.
I think with the recent boom in the comic book industry, these incidents will be more common
13:58 I had a similar experience with eBay. Bought a long box of comics from a seller in Tennessee. The box was in the Memphis Network Distribution Center (it has 1.2 ⭐ rating in Google Maps BTW). I contacted eBay after almost 30 days of the box being at the distribution center. I was issued a refund, thought I was never going to see the box. I also notified USPS lost packages 📦 department. One day in September 2021 the long box was delivered at our door 🚪. I was able to keep it along with all of the comics. It's interesting how eBay doesn't ask or require the buyer to return the package after a refund.
I don't understand why they would but Scotch Tape all around the case other than that it was tampered with. Definetly not worth the investment on this book with all this weird tampering. How wasn't putting tape all around the case intentional, Tom is giving this seller way too much credit.
I've had sellers absolutely decimate highly collectible comics by utterly cocooning them in Scotch-tape.
A Gemini-box for an ungraded book or a USPS Priority box with a few tight swatches of bubble-wrap for a graded/slabbed book is all that's needed for a safe shipment to arrive intact.
Anyone trying to be more clever than that tends to think that tape is the solution...
I always cringe when my packages arrive.
@@jayblack7495 I'll never understand why some people like to put tape anywhere close to a comic book.
Might be to prevent possible water getting inside if the package gets wet. While the comic itself is sealed, the case is not watertight. Not saying that is the reason here, but it is a plausible explanation.
Love you guys ^_^ thanks for the amazing content
How do you constantly confuse buying something ONLINE but you say you bought it OFFLINE? OFFLINE meaning you purchased local or face to face. You got it backwards homey.
Agreed. Now let me lay some street smart on ya. Know your product. I have purchased sunglasses that I thought were real and they were but the guy did a bait and switch. Lesson learned. Playa got played. Bought a Jordon Alvarez signed rookie card on eBay. List 150. Offered 75. Accepted. When revived. It is a business card with a very nice printer work. With sealed case and make shift authenticated case. Now that said. Also bought some comics off a auction on the tube here and never got them. And I won some stuff. But I say things and am very verbal. So kcuf them. Lessons learned. Not worth my time 2 get pissed. Just do better work. Now this is key. I have been the one who got over on someone. Bk I know more than u. Ex. Box of comics NM98 inside. Me pawnbroker. I will give u 20 for the whole box. Deal!! Me. Pull that comic. Similar deal scored Secret wars 8 newsstand!!!! Also traded all my first walking dead for my spawn collection I lost. 🥸🥸🤌🤌🧐🧐🤷♂️. But I got all my spawns!!! Well not all but the first 25 back. Side not spent 85 bucks on spawn comics today. So 2 explain my point. Tom, you are a voice in the community. If you expose there account u can make sure this does not happen. I do not bk I just deal with it. And if I were 2 care like a lot. Like real money. Bk I have none. Talking like above 300. I will find you if u screw me. I will take a road trip and document my voyage of asskicking. Would sell maybe Marvel presents weapon x. Set. Should cover most of the U.S. but that’s if I get pissed. Ah if Nick Cage only bought comics instead of houses!!!
I recently sold my copy of Wolverine #1 and it was CGC graded (9.4), I had it for quite a few years and I never had any problems with the case it was in. It’s sad to see people that are out to scam people in this hobby. Same goes for sports cards.
Great video. Very educational and sad at the same time.
WOW SOME PEOPLE YOU NEVER KNOW
Wow!! People are crazy!!
Great video it does raise a question "do you ask the seller for pics to see top and bottom and sides of a graded book going forward"????
I do. I ask to see the back of the book or closer up image of area of cover if needed. Most times they send a pic but some don’t but I ask.
Had an Ebay experience where I won a cool high grade bronze age book that was an auction that ended with a really low price. ( can't remember what book or grade it even was now)
The seller sent me a completely different book in a low grade . I reached out and the seller apologized and said he sent my item to another person and their book to me.
It happens, I've done it.
Anyway 3-4 months in and I still didn't get my book after sending the other book back.
Finally involved Ebay and got my money back. Seller then sent me an angry message saying I wasn't patient with him.
What makes me suspicious is the seller tried to get me to keep the book he sent instead the one I won .
That, and the ridiculous amount of time involved makes me think that the seller felt the auction price ended too low and wasn't willing to let the book go for that.
Anyway, thanks for sharing and reading this.
That is exactly what happened.
This is what makes me soo leery of using eBay the shenanigans are real and there is always people out there looking to scam.
My man got a sweet Spider Gwen variant behind him distracting me. ❤
Definitely not worth taking the risk.. awesome shirt as always my man!! 🤙
I always make sure to pull it out of the ugly poly bag, examine it and place it in a mylar.
Broken CGC case that opens wide enough to pull out a comic and replace it with another one = scam. Happened to me too from Ebay. I returned it immediately to the seller. Seller had put a "7.0" with 5 long spine ticks and a small stain on the cover into a 9.6 CGC case. Do not accept a broken CGC case from any Ebay seller. Return it immediately to the seller.
Crazy Wolverine stories, glad you both had it work out in your favor.
Anytime ebay sellers tape bubble wrap around your items you know that shits gonna be damaged 😂
That's not always true lol some throw some in there for extra padding.
@@BloodFromSpain no I'm saying they tape bubble wrap around items to conceal damages because alot of people will leave it like that thinking itll keep it safer when they store it.
I guess it’s worth it now lol damn hulk 181
Wow.. thankyou for the info....
I can see some one taping the edge to protect the case if it is displayed on the wall with the black graded frame holder
Wow man! Sorry that happened to you guys. The 181 ended ok after the stress but that’s some scary shit!
This conversation looks like my rational mind talking to my fanboy mind
great episode!
Just curious : where did you get the Newsstand ratio / percentage from for the Wolverine #1? According to Milehigh's ratio on the newsstand to direct it is more closer to 15% and may be as high as 30%. As of 1986 ratios it was still a 50 / 50 split between Newsstand and Direct according to Milehigh's chart / stats. 1990 it was 15% according to Milehigh's chart / stats. So the '88 percentage of Newsstand to Direct might fall in between 50% and 15% if you are following Milehigh's chart / stats . Is there another source for the Newsstand percentages than Milehigh? I've never seen one and would love to see a comparable to Milehigh's percentages. Thanks.
I mean 9.8 specifically 👍 good clarification
$1,000 is ridiculous!👎👎
Guys! I bought that same copy of Wolverine about a month ago, I freaked out as it was my first CGC ever! would it be possible to get a video showing the different CGC cases used since they started? Maybe showing what they used to put on labels vs what they put now? I freaked out bc it had spaces on both sides that you could open (not a lot) but I thought they hat to be completely encased...
Apart from a couple clipped coupons (silver age spiderman stuff mostly unfortunately)I've been pretty lucky. Hopefully all gets taken care of asap
Now I have to go check my slabs 🤞
How dare someone try to scam sir ComicTom! Shame on that person! Lol
I have seen perfect comics that have had tape put on the spines and around the staples for no apparent reason. Sometimes people do weird things, maybe because it was loose, or could be opened so they put tape around the edges, or they have swapped it like you possibly think. I didn't think cgc made notes about something being newsstand or not, unless it's changed.
Thank you for this episode. Very informative. I've had my share of a few shady sellers on EBay. So Comic Tom - you are getting reimbursed correct?
I bought a slabed 7.5 Cgc starwars #1 and noticed months later there’s a crack in the casing. What would you do if you wanted it slabbed again. Crack the case and send t in and hope it’s gets graded at 7.5 or higher or if I send it in would they just recase it for me and put my label back in?
For all you know it may just be the cover stapled to an Archie book!?!🤣🤣
Story about how you got your Hulk 181 = priceless.
It’s probably either a fake book or dude tried to sell you a slabbed book while getting a full price.
You might be surprised the amount of damage that CGC cases can take. As long as the grade sticker is on the top and those tampers are in place a reholder will happen.
Could the tape around the edges be for protecting the edges of the case from scratching if someone were to have leaning on a bookshelf?
That’s sneaky dirty by that seller.
Moral of the story: CGC has shit cases, that are easily tampered with and they longer release the notes. Sounds to me that a new grading authority needs to take over the market.
I just got my Avengers Annual #10 Newsstand graded by CGC, and the label says Newsstand on the label.
I buy loose (raw) copies on ebay for a couple reasons, the two main ones are price - because a lot of the times you can get the same book for cheap and only spend $30 or $40 some odd dollars for a press and grade, rather than spending $300 or $500 for a 9.8. And the fact that I'll be the original owner and won't fall victim to whatever's out there. I just bought an X-Men #4 (1st Omega Red) for $40, the owner described it as a 9.0. No color loss on the spine, edges are sharp etc, the only thing wrong with it is a spine roll on the back, which can be pressed out along with any finger dents etc.
On another note, CGC doesn't note "Newsstand" on books. I don't know if they recently changed that, but mine doesn't say it and I'm the original owner. The latest batch of slabs I got shipped back was from earlier this year.
A question from a relative novice: Why is the Overstreet value so low? I have the most recent edition and books I'm looking at online are far more expensive than Overstreet says.
Overstreet has become almost useless for pricing because everything is changing so rapidly now. It is still useful as a reference for 1st appearances, dates, artists etc. But I dont even bother using it for pricing anymore. And things are not going to magically drop back to Overstreet level post pandemic. A bit of a levelling out will take place but no crash. High prices are here to stay.
Glad i saw this. Made me dig mine out to check and found I had a newsstand also. Should I send it in if it looks more 9.6-ish?
As this market grows by leaps and bounds we all know that will attract scammers.
Crazy sellers but buyers can be crazy, it happens to me with a buyer with a funko pop
As always, beware of scammers and scalpers, 'Nuff Said!
I just receieved a CGC slab with a plastic chunk missing from the side seam, an obvious prying attempt. Not sure if the book inside is legit or not. Online seller made no mention of the damaged case. It's graded at 9.2 and the cert # checks out on the CGC website. Will wait for a suitable custom label to be offered before submitting for reholdering.
CGC doesn’t always if ever differentiate newsstand books…. Not stating it on the label is common.
Heard recently that CGC will only put it on the label if you've personally noted it as the "newstand edition" on your submission form. (Not sure of the accuracy of that; just what I heard. :) )
@@jeffstanley6013 I think your correct. PGX does the same thing lol.
I still think hulk 181 and ASM 300 are the most undervalued books STILL . Goodluck getting a AF15 or hulk 1 or ff1 in a 9.0 for under 20k lmao .
7:45 - you talk about the tamper-proof clips but you didn't say if they appeared damaged in your Wolverine 1..? I agree however; clear situation of switcheroo.
Yeah if they didn’t mention the bad condition of the slab I would definitely return it too
I just purchased a Strange Tales #170 on Ebay. This was after I watched the top 10 hottest comics. It was ungraded. Any tips on grading. I was looking for a video your page.
You can make an account with cgc or cbcs and ship it to them!
Thanks, I have a membership with CGC and plan to send it in. Just wondering what to look for in the future for myself when looking at comic conditions.
That is crazy tom what you got with that wolverine cover I hope you gotten your money back and also for the guru
When i eventually become the supreme ruler of earth (its inevitable obviously) i will BAN ALL comic grading companies from existing since they are assiting in ruining collecting by jacking up prices on things that have no buisness being so expensive.
*F-yes!* *EFF all these damn stupid slabs*
The ONLY reason I can think that the the seller may have taped the perimeter for was that the case is not airtight and he/she wanted to ensure the case stayed together. Most likely a scam but can appreciate you not casting shade, at least until you know 100% if the book was switched and/or is still the real deal.
I buy mostly off EBAY but only from venders that have a good and sizable history as a reliable seller.
How are you supposed to see the stoch tape? When the plastic case is blocking you from seeing it.
I also ordered a book also from Canada and I live in Texas. Ultimate FF 22 on May 10th. I haven't received anything yet. But he didn't send me a tracking # either. I've been buying on ebay for a while, should I just wait or let ebay know?
I live in Canada and sometimes order from the US. It can take 3 weeks for arrival, especially if there's a long weekend in the mix.
I live in Canada and find 3 weeks is the usual minimum in these times. I waited almost a month for a book from Texas. If it is an expensive book and you paid more than 20 for shipping you should request tracking #.
Damn. Sorry this happened with such a great book.