I agree. The difference is nothing you would be able to hear if you were to add in all the other components of Randy's sound. It's got a sweet paint job, though!
Randy had just a few choices in 1979/1980 for a pedal to add some dirt, the MXR Distortion + and the Boss DS-1.......... He chose to build the board(Chip Pan) using matching MXR pedals available at the time. Back then you did not have effects loops on your Marshall. So he hit the front end with a Roland Space Echo after his pedal board. the rest was in his fingers and the screaming 100 watt Super Lead amps. God Bess him
He had to switch the speakers in his cab to Altec speakers as well because they wouldn't muddy up the tone as much with that all the distortion he was pumping through them
I still have the Mustard color MXR Distortion + pedal I bought in the early 80’s. The components are of course, larger than this modern pedal, since the technology has progressed and components have miniaturized. IC chips have probably replaced most of the mounted components. As far as component values, I’m not sure.
Very cool man... I was being asked by others if that pedal is any different than a standard MXR DIST + pedal... I just received by RR DIST + and going to open it live on my show tomorrow! Only wish I could play as good as you!🤘🎸😎🔥
@kawayama-bt3jz interesting I hadn't heard that. Do you have a link to any article or something about that? Do you know what the difference would be between the special edition and the regular?
@@AvLGuitar The image remains the same, but someone mentioned that the “special edition” label for product introductions has disappeared from Jim Dunlop’s official page. Since I am not familiar with the original state, I cannot say for certain
In the past, there was also an example of Kevin Shields’ Shields Blender from Fender, so it’s not impossible for a limited edition to switch to a regular edition
@kawayama-bt3jz interesting. Hopefully, they do switch to regular production, because a lot of people that wanted this pedal missed out in this initial run.
There will more them likely be a second edition of this pedal. Same electronics but different graphics. They can't use the same graphics since this was offered as a limited edition pedal. Info right from the company.
I love mine. It replaced my Wylde Overdrive. Probably not worth the price point people are charging, but I'm such a fanboy that my daughter's middle name is Rhoads.
@Secretary.of.Education It's a good pedal, and if I had an amp that could better replicate what Randy was using, I would probably use it more. But what I have found is that, for me, with our modern high gain amps, I don't really need a boost pedal. I get all the distortion I need, and it's got a nice tight, low end without being flubby.
I got one of these for $159 before it sold out and still haven’t opened it lol The peeps on the forums were angry and trolling me because I bought it just to say I had one while they missed out 😅
Its nice to see some Randy pedals ,Did Randy use the new pedal ? nope ! the extra distortion was from his modded amp turned up ,the newer pedal does have slightly more distortion than a normal mxr d+ at lower volume ,i saw randy play live in 1981 and have a signed photo.
The MXR+ is one of the least favored distortion untis avaliable today. To rebrand it with polkadots, and disregard the amps, 10-band eq, etc. that Randy was using, is marketing bs at it finest.
I agree. This one pedal is a small part of Randy's tone, and one that could easily be duplicated by any number of other distortion pedals. The most important things in his tone were the amps and speakers he was using. Unfortunately the speakers are no longer made. And similar amps are expensive.
@AvLGuitar You're very right. The best we can do is approximate. I know Randy favored those Altec speakers, but there're things that can be done to compensate, on an EQ end. I do fine even a Marshall DSL, an MXR-6 Band (I know he used a 10 lol), and a Boss CH-1. I found that the MXR Super Badass Distortion is like a hotrodded Marshall Plexi, with a touch of that Distortion+ "fizz" (only if you dial in enough gain and treble). It's also very touch responsive, so it blends nicely with the amps' existing tone. Throwing a bit of that in there, really gets a nice Tribute/live tone. It's more ironic, that MXR already produces more improved and appropriate products, suited for this purpose. The new Zakk Wylde OD sounds like a not as good version of the SD-1 he used to use. Those bullseyes don't make it sound better. Having said all that... SO glad a true fan got one. It is a circuit that's integral to his sound, and what a collector's piece, you know we're all jealous of!
@@InhalerOfTheRifftree The Zakk wylde over drive is low impedance electrical signal. The stock pedal is high impedance. If you're using EMG low impedance pickups, then you don't use the stock pedal. You must use the ZW pedal cause it's designed for the EMG PICKUPS.
Yeah agreed 👍 As soon as you triple track your sound, nobody can tell what you're playing. Reverb, delay, harmony tracks - nobody knows what the he$$ you're playing. Now days we can just add multiple delays in RUclips editing program. Perfect repeats that have nothing to do with MXR. DON'T NEED a delay pedal any more.
@@Gma7788 Zakk used it for many years, to great effect, with the EMG 81/85 combo. It's his defining sound. The SD-1 features asymmetrical clipping, which makes it sound more harmonicaly representative of a tube amp. The symetical clipping on the MXR, is more like a TS.
Randy basically used the Distortion+ a an overdrive for his Marshall Super Lead. And it's a vital part of the sound. It's not worth $169.99, but I ordered it anyway because I'm a huge Rhoads fan and had the disposable income. I just like having it. And it did take my amp way closer to his Tribute tone. Could a $70 yellow + have done that? Probably close enough, but there is a slight difference.
I also hear a difference. Sadly I had ordered one but it got cancelled when the dealer said they were never sent any. So I ended up taking a chance overseas and spending 400 CAD to get one of these. Overpaid yes, but like you I wanted one for my collection as a huge Randy fan. 400 was my max though.. for a while they were up in the 800's. It's such a simple pedal with a few components. But still...had to have it! See if the order goes through this time. If it doesn't, I will track down a 79 or 80 block logo
Thanks soo much for this demonstration. I was going to get upset that you were not using what I would consider an appropriate head or the fact you were using more modern setting (ala crank the volume with the gain down modern bottom tightening)....but being as it's only to show the difference between the pedals and the fact you changed the settings to more classic Rhoads settings, I feel it's 100% appropriate to give an impression what the pedals are doing and how they are to one another! I have been meaning to do this and also with a 3rd pedal and an all stock 1980 D+! I JUST got the brand new M-104 D+ today, so will be doing a video shortly. In short....I hear NO tonal difference between the basic modern M-104 D+ and the RR-104!! So, everyone is really just paying for the paint job and paperwork, sorry guys. I have gone much further than just tone demonstration, but the weight between the pedals is significant with the M-104 weighing about 209 grams, but the RR-104 weighing 377 grams!! Why soo different and the RR-104 soo heavy....unknown, it can only be in the material, but does NOTHING for tone....but interesting to note. Another huge disappointment and downright piss off is I have measure the actual values of the only thing that is really different with all other components being the same type and value are the germanium diodes. A vintage era-correct D+ diodes have a Forward voltage of between .3xx to .4xxV at 5.00mA on an Atlas Peak DCA-75 meter. The RR-104s actually have at least 2 different diodes in them! One are black band and one are green band. The black bands measure similarly to a vintage pedal between .300 to .400V. However, the green band diodes measure in the .6xx to .8xx range!! :O What this means is less clipping and saturation and if the components in the same pedal are different in value, the clipping is asymmetric as opposed to symmetric! The tone will be significant and completely noticeable when compared side-by-side! What this means is....not every RR-104 is the same and therein, not the same nor tonally as Randy's actual pedal! Dunlop/MXR is not doing a 100% quality check and the whole thing is a scam as far as there is no secret and Randy just used a stock unmodified era-correct pedal and the special edition pedal has quality issues and some sounding good and some sounding like garbage and they didn't measure them 100% and it appears they just used whatever was available! I have since sold off my pedals for $1000 for a $340 investment, so no loss from my side and I know the real story! If you own one of the RR-104 pedals....open the back cover and check the diodes. If black band...you're probably good, but if green...you have garbage!!
@Amp_Expert I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Yeah I knew going into it I wasn't going to be able to get close to Randy's tone because I lack the equipment. I would like to get a rig someday that could more closely imitate Randy's rig, but that may be a while down the road yet. And thanks for all the knowledge you shared. That is far more in depth than I could have gone. Are those diodes immediately visible after you pull the bottom cover off? Do you have a picture you could show as an example? Also I look forward to seeing your video. That will be a really good comparison.
@@AvLGuitar Yes! All you have to do is pull the back cover off of the RR-104 and all of the components are on the exposed side! As opposed to the standard M-104, which is on the bottom. RUclips doesn't allow you to attach photos, but you can't miss them. They are the only pair that are made of clear glass and silkscreened with a band.
I checked out the stock 2024 M-104 today. It has a UA741CP IC in it as well as 1% 1/4w metal film resistors and the 2 tantalum capacitors. The only difference between this one and the RR-104 and a vintage D+ were that the tone capacitors are all mylar instead of ceramic on the 2024 M-104 and the germanium diodes were red-band. The Vf of the diodes measured 0.696 and 0.667V at 5.00mA, similar to the green-band RR-104, but not as low as a vintage M-104 or the black-band RR-104 which measure in the 0.3xx to 0.4xx range. How did it sound tonally??...similar to a vintage D+, but not as much saturation/distortion as the diode Vf is higher. It was at about the same noise level and hiss as a vintage. I did notice that the higher frequencies were rolled off and not as bright or biting as a vintage pedal, so I would think that is due to the mylar capacitors instead of the ceramic type. The RR-104, at least the green-band one is significantly quieter than any of the D+'s I demoed, but unsure what is the cause of this. Was thinking due to modern IC, but have a clone D+ I built with an authentic Texas Instrument IC and the 2024 D+ appears to have an authentic TI IC in it, so unsure what else would be causing it to have less noise other than maybe better PCB layout. It is a different PCB-board?!?? Anyway, thanks again for the demo. There is a lot of variations in tone in the D+'s and over time. If one wants the original tone and sound, I would suggest purchasing an old pedal from the late 70's/early 80s!! My $0.02!!
To me there's a pretty big difference b/w the 2, the RR pedal sounds awesome. I am a RR freak but gee whiz I missed the 12 second window I had to order the pedal at a regular price, not paying Klon prices from internet clowns to get it tho
Theres a difference but not a $400 difference. Something about the RR comes across a little clear but its also something that annoys me with the tone. Id perfer the cheaper yellow one but RR id buy at a decent price just to collect.
I agree there is a difference, though very slight. And probably if you were in a live situation with a full band you wouldn't really be able to pick it out like you can isolated in a bedroom.
Finally, an honest side by side video comparison. Dunlop/MXR listened to Randy’s fans and gave them what they have been asking for, so hopefully they’re happy. But as far as it being “painstakingly researched and recreated exactly from the original”? Nice paint job!
@donedwards5150 I'm glad you enjoyed the video! It's definitely a collectors item with a cool paint job. But yeah, no one is gonna be able to tell that you've got a Randy Rhoads signature pedal from a regular one unless they see it.
Definetly not worth the price if your just looking for the tone. I wanted one initially. But after going to Sweetwater shortly after it came out and it was sold out and posted everywhere for 6-$1200. I decided to just forget about it. Since I already have a 1978 distortion + made by the real MXR (not Dunlop) company which is what Randy had anyway. And apparently Randy's wasn't modded as originally thought because my old one sounds the same as the new limited edition.
They are both the same models... different colors and paint scheme but still MXR distortion+ the difference is the price I love some RR even own a Jackson Rhoads but why $600? Is the RR modded? humm... just curious. I use my 100w Blackstar with everything except distortion pedal relying on the amps high gain and tubes to overdrive and distort and it's killer to me, but in the back of my mind I think I just need a Tube Screamer idk
$600 is the reverb price of people trying to make a profit. Original price was $169 plus tax. They are basically the same, and any difference that might be perceivable in an A/B comparison would basically vanish in any other situation. I'm kind of the same. I think my amp's distortion sounds great. No real need for a pedal.
The RR has a bit more full range. with slightly more bottom and lower mid boost from what I hear, but brighter, and the regular one has a bit more nasal from the top mid to treble, but is darker. Weird. If you own an MXR eq, or other passive style eq this can be easily remedied to sound close enough that you would not need to spend a grand. Literally, problem solved.
It's literally the same pedal, different paint job. Any "tonal difference" you think you are hearing is a placebo effect. Do a double blind test and you will not be able to tell one from the other.
Is the Yellow Distortion Plus a modern or vintage one? This also should be mentioned when doing this comparison. Randy's is essentially a stock Distortion Plus from 1979-80. Over the course of that pedals life, it has been modified. Randy's was even slightly different component-wise from the original Script Logo. The modern Dunlop version is heavily modified from that era. I had a modern version and I have the RR version and the RR version is just loads better in every detail....especially when being used in an already overdriven amp!
@AvnerRosenstein-ULTRA-LXV you are right. I should have specified. The yellow one is a modern distortion plus pedal. When I first did this, I didn't even realize how the pedal had changed over the years. Thanks for sharing your knowledge on the subject. I appreciate it!
@Sagerydian if you are referring to the video, it is a cheap video camera. Soundwise the guitar was going directly into my daw. The voice was with the cameras mic. Making do with what I've got.
@@AvLGuitar def not worth a demo of any type.. you essentially plugged into an interface and into your daw. No cab sim, nothing. This is a splatty mess. So essentially, we were comparing two garbage chains lol. Not worth it man, it really isn't.
@@Polentaccio no, I was plugged into my peavey 6505 MH using the xlr emulated line out, which is a speaker simulation. I'm not sure which one but it is a speaker emulation, and then into my daw. I know it's not the best comparison, but the point was to show how much of a difference there was between the pedals. I did misspeak as it were in my previous reply to the nokia comment. The guitar was not going directly into the daw. I meant my amp was going directly into the recording interface and then into the daw.
@ertjija I have seen a few people in a Facebook group open up both and compare them. They look different inside. But I wanted to show the difference in how they sounded. Though admittedly, there is little difference.
@AvLGuitar guess folks got to worry about fake ones soon. Happens to everything that gets collected. Kinda funny that new stuff gets collected based on a guy that's been dead for 40 years. Gotta love it
@salahbaker4089 Well, everyone has their own opinion on the subject. They were probably doing what they liked. But whether you love their tone or you hate it, they are two iconic sounds, Immediately recognizable.
Talk about full of shit... Randy's tone propelled him to one of the most influential metal players ever. That's why he gets a pedal after being dead for over 40yrs!
incredible how these deceased artists manage to collaborate on the creation of custom models in their name... but the champion remains Diamond Darrell with a dozen guitars and I don't know how many pedals came out post-mortem. Let them rest in peace and stop speculating about them!
The Randy Rhoads pedal was designed in collaboration with Randy's sister. As for Dimebag, I believe there is an "estate" that owns certain body shapes such as the razorback. I believe that is run by his girlfriend or his family. I'm not 100% percent on that but I believe Ola has talked about that in a couple videos.
@@AvLGuitar it's very simple: relatives and companies speculate on the deceased knowing that there are a lot of imbeciles out there (us) who for various reasons are waiting for these objects despite knowing that they have nothing to do with the artist and it is no coincidence that they focus on graphics that recall Randy Roads or Van Halen because a very banal distortion+ no longer sells. I'd be curious to know if Randy Roads' sister even knows what a pedal is but she sure knows how much she makes for each pedal sold.
@@maotemplar I agree. It's a collectors item. I think its fair to say that the only real signature thing you could attribute to Randy is the V guitars. From the Sandoval V to the Concorde to the current RR body shape, which he approved of the first prototype before passing.
Slight tonal difference, but that can be adjusted on the amp. The distortion itself sounds almost identical.
I agree. The difference is nothing you would be able to hear if you were to add in all the other components of Randy's sound. It's got a sweet paint job, though!
Randy had just a few choices in 1979/1980 for a pedal to add some dirt, the MXR Distortion + and the Boss DS-1.......... He chose to build the board(Chip Pan) using matching MXR pedals available at the time. Back then you did not have effects loops on your Marshall. So he hit the front end with a Roland Space Echo after his pedal board. the rest was in his fingers and the screaming 100 watt Super Lead amps. God Bess him
He had to switch the speakers in his cab to Altec speakers as well because they wouldn't muddy up the tone as much with that all the distortion he was pumping through them
The RR is slightly more mid rangey
I still have the Mustard color MXR Distortion + pedal I bought in the early 80’s. The components are of course, larger than this modern pedal, since the technology has progressed and components have miniaturized. IC chips have probably replaced most of the mounted components. As far as component values, I’m not sure.
Freidman is one that changes and soooo good.
Very cool man... I was being asked by others if that pedal is any different than a standard MXR DIST + pedal... I just received by RR DIST + and going to open it live on my show tomorrow! Only wish I could play as good as you!🤘🎸😎🔥
There is a rumor that the regular version will be released after the special edition is sold.
@kawayama-bt3jz interesting I hadn't heard that. Do you have a link to any article or something about that? Do you know what the difference would be between the special edition and the regular?
@@AvLGuitar The image remains the same, but someone mentioned that the “special edition” label for product introductions has disappeared from Jim Dunlop’s official page.
Since I am not familiar with the original state, I cannot say for certain
In the past, there was also an example of Kevin Shields’ Shields Blender from Fender, so it’s not impossible for a limited edition to switch to a regular edition
@kawayama-bt3jz interesting. Hopefully, they do switch to regular production, because a lot of people that wanted this pedal missed out in this initial run.
There will more them likely be a second edition of this pedal. Same electronics but different graphics. They can't use the same graphics since this was offered as a limited edition pedal. Info right from the company.
I love mine. It replaced my Wylde Overdrive. Probably not worth the price point people are charging, but I'm such a fanboy that my daughter's middle name is Rhoads.
@Secretary.of.Education It's a good pedal, and if I had an amp that could better replicate what Randy was using, I would probably use it more. But what I have found is that, for me, with our modern high gain amps, I don't really need a boost pedal. I get all the distortion I need, and it's got a nice tight, low end without being flubby.
I got one of these for $159 before it sold out and still haven’t opened it lol The peeps on the forums were angry and trolling me because I bought it just to say I had one while they missed out 😅
@@PedalPoopers well it is a collectors item with how few of them they made, so that's totally valid to leave it unopened.
I got MXR Dist III, saved a fortune
Its nice to see some Randy pedals ,Did Randy use the new pedal ? nope ! the extra distortion was from his modded amp turned up ,the newer pedal does have slightly more distortion than a normal mxr d+ at lower volume ,i saw randy play live in 1981 and have a signed photo.
The MXR+ is one of the least favored distortion untis avaliable today. To rebrand it with polkadots, and disregard the amps, 10-band eq, etc. that Randy was using, is marketing bs at it finest.
I agree. This one pedal is a small part of Randy's tone, and one that could easily be duplicated by any number of other distortion pedals. The most important things in his tone were the amps and speakers he was using. Unfortunately the speakers are no longer made. And similar amps are expensive.
@AvLGuitar You're very right. The best we can do is approximate. I know Randy favored those Altec speakers, but there're things that can be done to compensate, on an EQ end. I do fine even a Marshall DSL, an MXR-6 Band (I know he used a 10 lol), and a Boss CH-1.
I found that the MXR Super Badass Distortion is like a hotrodded Marshall Plexi, with a touch of that Distortion+ "fizz" (only if you dial in enough gain and treble). It's also very touch responsive, so it blends nicely with the amps' existing tone. Throwing a bit of that in there, really gets a nice Tribute/live tone. It's more ironic, that MXR already produces more improved and appropriate products, suited for this purpose.
The new Zakk Wylde OD sounds like a not as good version of the SD-1 he used to use. Those bullseyes don't make it sound better. Having said all that... SO glad a true fan got one. It is a circuit that's integral to his sound, and what a collector's piece, you know we're all jealous of!
@@InhalerOfTheRifftree
The Zakk wylde over drive is low impedance electrical signal.
The stock pedal is high impedance.
If you're using EMG low impedance pickups, then you don't use the stock pedal.
You must use the ZW pedal cause it's designed for the EMG PICKUPS.
Yeah agreed 👍
As soon as you triple track your sound, nobody can tell what you're playing.
Reverb, delay, harmony tracks - nobody knows what the he$$ you're playing.
Now days we can just add multiple delays in RUclips editing program.
Perfect repeats that have nothing to do with MXR.
DON'T NEED a delay pedal any more.
@@Gma7788 Zakk used it for many years, to great effect, with the EMG 81/85 combo. It's his defining sound. The SD-1 features asymmetrical clipping, which makes it sound more harmonicaly representative of a tube amp. The symetical clipping on the MXR, is more like a TS.
Randy basically used the Distortion+ a an overdrive for his Marshall Super Lead. And it's a vital part of the sound. It's not worth $169.99, but I ordered it anyway because I'm a huge Rhoads fan and had the disposable income. I just like having it. And it did take my amp way closer to his Tribute tone. Could a $70 yellow + have done that? Probably close enough, but there is a slight difference.
I also hear a difference. Sadly I had ordered one but it got cancelled when the dealer said they were never sent any. So I ended up taking a chance overseas and spending 400 CAD to get one of these. Overpaid yes, but like you I wanted one for my collection as a huge Randy fan. 400 was my max though.. for a while they were up in the 800's. It's such a simple pedal with a few components. But still...had to have it! See if the order goes through this time. If it doesn't, I will track down a 79 or 80 block logo
Thanks soo much for this demonstration.
I was going to get upset that you were not using what I would consider an appropriate head or the fact you were using more modern setting (ala crank the volume with the gain down modern bottom tightening)....but being as it's only to show the difference between the pedals and the fact you changed the settings to more classic Rhoads settings, I feel it's 100% appropriate to give an impression what the pedals are doing and how they are to one another!
I have been meaning to do this and also with a 3rd pedal and an all stock 1980 D+! I JUST got the brand new M-104 D+ today, so will be doing a video shortly.
In short....I hear NO tonal difference between the basic modern M-104 D+ and the RR-104!! So, everyone is really just paying for the paint job and paperwork, sorry guys.
I have gone much further than just tone demonstration, but the weight between the pedals is significant with the M-104 weighing about 209 grams, but the RR-104 weighing 377 grams!! Why soo different and the RR-104 soo heavy....unknown, it can only be in the material, but does NOTHING for tone....but interesting to note.
Another huge disappointment and downright piss off is I have measure the actual values of the only thing that is really different with all other components being the same type and value are the germanium diodes.
A vintage era-correct D+ diodes have a Forward voltage of between .3xx to .4xxV at 5.00mA on an Atlas Peak DCA-75 meter. The RR-104s actually have at least 2 different diodes in them! One are black band and one are green band. The black bands measure similarly to a vintage pedal between .300 to .400V. However, the green band diodes measure in the .6xx to .8xx range!! :O What this means is less clipping and saturation and if the components in the same pedal are different in value, the clipping is asymmetric as opposed to symmetric! The tone will be significant and completely noticeable when compared side-by-side!
What this means is....not every RR-104 is the same and therein, not the same nor tonally as Randy's actual pedal! Dunlop/MXR is not doing a 100% quality check and the whole thing is a scam as far as there is no secret and Randy just used a stock unmodified era-correct pedal and the special edition pedal has quality issues and some sounding good and some sounding like garbage and they didn't measure them 100% and it appears they just used whatever was available!
I have since sold off my pedals for $1000 for a $340 investment, so no loss from my side and I know the real story!
If you own one of the RR-104 pedals....open the back cover and check the diodes. If black band...you're probably good, but if green...you have garbage!!
@Amp_Expert I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Yeah I knew going into it I wasn't going to be able to get close to Randy's tone because I lack the equipment. I would like to get a rig someday that could more closely imitate Randy's rig, but that may be a while down the road yet. And thanks for all the knowledge you shared. That is far more in depth than I could have gone. Are those diodes immediately visible after you pull the bottom cover off? Do you have a picture you could show as an example? Also I look forward to seeing your video. That will be a really good comparison.
@@AvLGuitar Yes! All you have to do is pull the back cover off of the RR-104 and all of the components are on the exposed side! As opposed to the standard M-104, which is on the bottom. RUclips doesn't allow you to attach photos, but you can't miss them. They are the only pair that are made of clear glass and silkscreened with a band.
I checked out the stock 2024 M-104 today. It has a UA741CP IC in it as well as 1% 1/4w metal film resistors and the 2 tantalum capacitors. The only difference between this one and the RR-104 and a vintage D+ were that the tone capacitors are all mylar instead of ceramic on the 2024 M-104 and the germanium diodes were red-band. The Vf of the diodes measured 0.696 and 0.667V at 5.00mA, similar to the green-band RR-104, but not as low as a vintage M-104 or the black-band RR-104 which measure in the 0.3xx to 0.4xx range.
How did it sound tonally??...similar to a vintage D+, but not as much saturation/distortion as the diode Vf is higher. It was at about the same noise level and hiss as a vintage. I did notice that the higher frequencies were rolled off and not as bright or biting as a vintage pedal, so I would think that is due to the mylar capacitors instead of the ceramic type.
The RR-104, at least the green-band one is significantly quieter than any of the D+'s I demoed, but unsure what is the cause of this. Was thinking due to modern IC, but have a clone D+ I built with an authentic Texas Instrument IC and the 2024 D+ appears to have an authentic TI IC in it, so unsure what else would be causing it to have less noise other than maybe better PCB layout. It is a different PCB-board?!??
Anyway, thanks again for the demo. There is a lot of variations in tone in the D+'s and over time. If one wants the original tone and sound, I would suggest purchasing an old pedal from the late 70's/early 80s!! My $0.02!!
@@AvLGuitar Open the back, and report back which band color your diodes are.
@@Amp_Expert I will check it out tomorrow night and let you know.
I gotta try the new one!
To me there's a pretty big difference b/w the 2, the RR pedal sounds awesome. I am a RR freak but gee whiz I missed the 12 second window I had to order the pedal at a regular price, not paying Klon prices from internet clowns to get it tho
Theres a difference but not a $400 difference. Something about the RR comes across a little clear but its also something that annoys me with the tone. Id perfer the cheaper yellow one but RR id buy at a decent price just to collect.
I agree there is a difference, though very slight. And probably if you were in a live situation with a full band you wouldn't really be able to pick it out like you can isolated in a bedroom.
Finally, an honest side by side video comparison. Dunlop/MXR listened to Randy’s fans and gave them what they have been asking for, so hopefully they’re happy. But as far as it being “painstakingly researched and recreated exactly from the original”?
Nice paint job!
@donedwards5150 I'm glad you enjoyed the video! It's definitely a collectors item with a cool paint job. But yeah, no one is gonna be able to tell that you've got a Randy Rhoads signature pedal from a regular one unless they see it.
Definetly not worth the price if your just looking for the tone. I wanted one initially. But after going to Sweetwater shortly after it came out and it was sold out and posted everywhere for 6-$1200. I decided to just forget about it. Since I already have a 1978 distortion + made by the real MXR (not Dunlop) company which is what Randy had anyway. And apparently Randy's wasn't modded as originally thought because my old one sounds the same as the new limited edition.
@@MrTravlinman1973 yeah I definitely bought it for the collector/fan appeal.
They are both the same models... different colors and paint scheme but still MXR distortion+ the difference is the price I love some RR even own a Jackson Rhoads but why $600? Is the RR modded? humm... just curious.
I use my 100w Blackstar with everything except distortion pedal relying on the amps high gain and tubes to overdrive and distort and it's killer to me, but in the back of my mind I think I just need a Tube Screamer idk
$600 is the reverb price of people trying to make a profit. Original price was $169 plus tax. They are basically the same, and any difference that might be perceivable in an A/B comparison would basically vanish in any other situation. I'm kind of the same. I think my amp's distortion sounds great. No real need for a pedal.
The RR has a bit more full range. with slightly more bottom and lower mid boost from what I hear, but brighter, and the regular one has a bit more nasal from the top mid to treble, but is darker. Weird. If you own an MXR eq, or other passive style eq this can be easily remedied to sound close enough that you would not need to spend a grand. Literally, problem solved.
Not much difference I tried hard to listen a little more dirt in the spotted one
@CalitranoN yeah, very little difference. Biggest difference is the paint job.
Sounds the same to me
It's literally the same pedal, different paint job. Any "tonal difference" you think you are hearing is a placebo effect. Do a double blind test and you will not be able to tell one from the other.
@robertkorn not a bad idea. I will try and do that here soon.
Is the Yellow Distortion Plus a modern or vintage one? This also should be mentioned when doing this comparison. Randy's is essentially a stock Distortion Plus from 1979-80. Over the course of that pedals life, it has been modified. Randy's was even slightly different component-wise from the original Script Logo. The modern Dunlop version is heavily modified from that era. I had a modern version and I have the RR version and the RR version is just loads better in every detail....especially when being used in an already overdriven amp!
@AvnerRosenstein-ULTRA-LXV you are right. I should have specified. The yellow one is a modern distortion plus pedal. When I first did this, I didn't even realize how the pedal had changed over the years. Thanks for sharing your knowledge on the subject. I appreciate it!
Don't waste your money, Randy used a vintage One
Dude, my mid 90's Nokia made better recordings. What are you using? A Grammophone?
@Sagerydian if you are referring to the video, it is a cheap video camera. Soundwise the guitar was going directly into my daw. The voice was with the cameras mic. Making do with what I've got.
@@AvLGuitar def not worth a demo of any type.. you essentially plugged into an interface and into your daw. No cab sim, nothing. This is a splatty mess. So essentially, we were comparing two garbage chains lol. Not worth it man, it really isn't.
@@Polentaccio no, I was plugged into my peavey 6505 MH using the xlr emulated line out, which is a speaker simulation. I'm not sure which one but it is a speaker emulation, and then into my daw. I know it's not the best comparison, but the point was to show how much of a difference there was between the pedals. I did misspeak as it were in my previous reply to the nokia comment. The guitar was not going directly into the daw. I meant my amp was going directly into the recording interface and then into the daw.
@AvLGuitar Good video, ignore these guys and keep doing your best. Appreciate you.
@NS-tc9kk thanks for the encouragement!
Sounds the same as original
Same pedal... I guess the polkadots make the price go up
@@em001868 pretty much...
Both Sound the Same, Lame!
why don't you just open them, and compare the component, maybe the only difference is the new/old chip.
@ertjija I have seen a few people in a Facebook group open up both and compare them. They look different inside. But I wanted to show the difference in how they sounded. Though admittedly, there is little difference.
Congrats you paid extra $70 for a polka dot paint job. There is no difference only the component tolerances.
@@ineedcbsi yep, it is a collectors item. Functionally sounds pretty much the same.
@AvLGuitar guess folks got to worry about fake ones soon. Happens to everything that gets collected. Kinda funny that new stuff gets collected based on a guy that's been dead for 40 years. Gotta love it
Ahaha, the 400 dollar one is a little crapier
Haha, thankfully it didn't cost me $400.
A few guitarists had some shittiy tones. Randy and Dimebag come to mind.
@salahbaker4089 Well, everyone has their own opinion on the subject. They were probably doing what they liked. But whether you love their tone or you hate it, they are two iconic sounds, Immediately recognizable.
I tend to agree with this. Great players, shit tones, especially so Dimebag
Talk about full of shit... Randy's tone propelled him to one of the most influential metal players ever. That's why he gets a pedal after being dead for over 40yrs!
Even if you don't like Randy's studio tone, his tone on the Tribute album is one of the best ever.
Awful Example
No.
incredible how these deceased artists manage to collaborate on the creation of custom models in their name... but the champion remains Diamond Darrell with a dozen guitars and I don't know how many pedals came out post-mortem. Let them rest in peace and stop speculating about them!
The Randy Rhoads pedal was designed in collaboration with Randy's sister. As for Dimebag, I believe there is an "estate" that owns certain body shapes such as the razorback. I believe that is run by his girlfriend or his family. I'm not 100% percent on that but I believe Ola has talked about that in a couple videos.
@@AvLGuitar it's very simple: relatives and companies speculate on the deceased knowing that there are a lot of imbeciles out there (us) who for various reasons are waiting for these objects despite knowing that they have nothing to do with the artist and it is no coincidence that they focus on graphics that recall Randy Roads or Van Halen because a very banal distortion+ no longer sells. I'd be curious to know if Randy Roads' sister even knows what a pedal is but she sure knows how much she makes for each pedal sold.
@@maotemplar I agree. It's a collectors item. I think its fair to say that the only real signature thing you could attribute to Randy is the V guitars. From the Sandoval V to the Concorde to the current RR body shape, which he approved of the first prototype before passing.