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It is the first listing. I'm glad this could be a help. I have this arm on that RG and on an S with a ZR trem, and they are working great.

Thanks for the quick reply. And, thanks for finding this upgrade and testing it out. Cheers, Chris

@robertkorn not a bad idea. I will try and do that here soon.

I have the "send" out of the amps effects loop going to the 1/4" input of the pedal, the 1/4" output of the pedal to the "return" of the effects loop, and the XLR out of the pedal going to my recording interface. I'm not 100% sure that is how it was intended to be hooked up. I kind of guessed because it didn't specifically say what the signal chain should look like but that made the most sense to me, and it seems to work.

@@ineedcbsi yep, it is a collectors item. Functionally sounds pretty much the same.

@AvLGuitar guess folks got to worry about fake ones soon. Happens to everything that gets collected. Kinda funny that new stuff gets collected based on a guy that's been dead for 40 years. Gotta love it

I also hear a difference. Sadly I had ordered one but it got cancelled when the dealer said they were never sent any. So I ended up taking a chance overseas and spending 400 CAD to get one of these. Overpaid yes, but like you I wanted one for my collection as a huge Randy fan. 400 was my max though.. for a while they were up in the 800's. It's such a simple pedal with a few components. But still...had to have it! See if the order goes through this time. If it doesn't, I will track down a 79 or 80 block logo

@kawayama-bt3jz interesting I hadn't heard that. Do you have a link to any article or something about that? Do you know what the difference would be between the special edition and the regular?

@@AvLGuitar The image remains the same, but someone mentioned that the “special edition” label for product introductions has disappeared from Jim Dunlop’s official page. Since I am not familiar with the original state, I cannot say for certain

In the past, there was also an example of Kevin Shields’ Shields Blender from Fender, so it’s not impossible for a limited edition to switch to a regular edition

@kawayama-bt3jz interesting. Hopefully, they do switch to regular production, because a lot of people that wanted this pedal missed out in this initial run.

There will more them likely be a second edition of this pedal. Same electronics but different graphics. They can't use the same graphics since this was offered as a limited edition pedal. Info right from the company.

@@zuhairreza thanks!

@@zokkb986 thanks!

$600 is the reverb price of people trying to make a profit. Original price was $169 plus tax. They are basically the same, and any difference that might be perceivable in an A/B comparison would basically vanish in any other situation. I'm kind of the same. I think my amp's distortion sounds great. No real need for a pedal.

@@c1au.9t thanks!

The Randy Rhoads pedal was designed in collaboration with Randy's sister. As for Dimebag, I believe there is an "estate" that owns certain body shapes such as the razorback. I believe that is run by his girlfriend or his family. I'm not 100% percent on that but I believe Ola has talked about that in a couple videos.

@@AvLGuitar it's very simple: relatives and companies speculate on the deceased knowing that there are a lot of imbeciles out there (us) who for various reasons are waiting for these objects despite knowing that they have nothing to do with the artist and it is no coincidence that they focus on graphics that recall Randy Roads or Van Halen because a very banal distortion+ no longer sells. I'd be curious to know if Randy Roads' sister even knows what a pedal is but she sure knows how much she makes for each pedal sold.

@@maotemplar I agree. It's a collectors item. I think its fair to say that the only real signature thing you could attribute to Randy is the V guitars. From the Sandoval V to the Concorde to the current RR body shape, which he approved of the first prototype before passing.

I agree. The difference is nothing you would be able to hear if you were to add in all the other components of Randy's sound. It's got a sweet paint job, though!

He had to switch the speakers in his cab to Altec speakers as well because they wouldn't muddy up the tone as much with that all the distortion he was pumping through them

@@em001868 pretty much...

@Secretary.of.Education It's a good pedal, and if I had an amp that could better replicate what Randy was using, I would probably use it more. But what I have found is that, for me, with our modern high gain amps, I don't really need a boost pedal. I get all the distortion I need, and it's got a nice tight, low end without being flubby.

@@PedalPoopers well it is a collectors item with how few of them they made, so that's totally valid to leave it unopened.

Yes they were drop in replacements just make sure the screw holes in the pictures look like the same placement as what is on your actual guitar.

@@AvLGuitar Thank you very much, my friend. I installed the Gotoh bridge on my MAJ270 to have better tuning stability, but this problem has not been completely solved yet. Now I will try the GOTOH tuners.

@@SteepRZ i hope those tuners resolve your issues. Mine stays in tune really well with both of those upgrades.

@AvnerRosenstein-ULTRA-LXV you are right. I should have specified. The yellow one is a modern distortion plus pedal. When I first did this, I didn't even realize how the pedal had changed over the years. Thanks for sharing your knowledge on the subject. I appreciate it!

Don't waste your money, Randy used a vintage One

@salahbaker4089 Well, everyone has their own opinion on the subject. They were probably doing what they liked. But whether you love their tone or you hate it, they are two iconic sounds, Immediately recognizable.

I tend to agree with this. Great players, shit tones, especially so Dimebag

Talk about full of shit... Randy's tone propelled him to one of the most influential metal players ever. That's why he gets a pedal after being dead for over 40yrs!

Even if you don't like Randy's studio tone, his tone on the Tribute album is one of the best ever.

@Sagerydian if you are referring to the video, it is a cheap video camera. Soundwise the guitar was going directly into my daw. The voice was with the cameras mic. Making do with what I've got.

@@AvLGuitar def not worth a demo of any type.. you essentially plugged into an interface and into your daw. No cab sim, nothing. This is a splatty mess. So essentially, we were comparing two garbage chains lol. Not worth it man, it really isn't.

@@Polentaccio no, I was plugged into my peavey 6505 MH using the xlr emulated line out, which is a speaker simulation. I'm not sure which one but it is a speaker emulation, and then into my daw. I know it's not the best comparison, but the point was to show how much of a difference there was between the pedals. I did misspeak as it were in my previous reply to the nokia comment. The guitar was not going directly into the daw. I meant my amp was going directly into the recording interface and then into the daw.

​@AvLGuitar Good video, ignore these guys and keep doing your best. Appreciate you.

@NS-tc9kk thanks for the encouragement!

I agree. This one pedal is a small part of Randy's tone, and one that could easily be duplicated by any number of other distortion pedals. The most important things in his tone were the amps and speakers he was using. Unfortunately the speakers are no longer made. And similar amps are expensive.

@AvLGuitar You're very right. The best we can do is approximate. I know Randy favored those Altec speakers, but there're things that can be done to compensate, on an EQ end. I do fine even a Marshall DSL, an MXR-6 Band (I know he used a 10 lol), and a Boss CH-1. I found that the MXR Super Badass Distortion is like a hotrodded Marshall Plexi, with a touch of that Distortion+ "fizz" (only if you dial in enough gain and treble). It's also very touch responsive, so it blends nicely with the amps' existing tone. Throwing a bit of that in there, really gets a nice Tribute/live tone. It's more ironic, that MXR already produces more improved and appropriate products, suited for this purpose. The new Zakk Wylde OD sounds like a not as good version of the SD-1 he used to use. Those bullseyes don't make it sound better. Having said all that... SO glad a true fan got one. It is a circuit that's integral to his sound, and what a collector's piece, you know we're all jealous of!

​@@InhalerOfTheRifftree The Zakk wylde over drive is low impedance electrical signal. The stock pedal is high impedance. If you're using EMG low impedance pickups, then you don't use the stock pedal. You must use the ZW pedal cause it's designed for the EMG PICKUPS.

Yeah agreed 👍 As soon as you triple track your sound, nobody can tell what you're playing. Reverb, delay, harmony tracks - nobody knows what the he$$ you're playing. Now days we can just add multiple delays in RUclips editing program. Perfect repeats that have nothing to do with MXR. DON'T NEED a delay pedal any more.

@@Gma7788 Zakk used it for many years, to great effect, with the EMG 81/85 combo. It's his defining sound. The SD-1 features asymmetrical clipping, which makes it sound more harmonicaly representative of a tube amp. The symetical clipping on the MXR, is more like a TS.

@ertjija I have seen a few people in a Facebook group open up both and compare them. They look different inside. But I wanted to show the difference in how they sounded. Though admittedly, there is little difference.

@CalitranoN yeah, very little difference. Biggest difference is the paint job.

Haha, thankfully it didn't cost me $400.

@Amp_Expert I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Yeah I knew going into it I wasn't going to be able to get close to Randy's tone because I lack the equipment. I would like to get a rig someday that could more closely imitate Randy's rig, but that may be a while down the road yet. And thanks for all the knowledge you shared. That is far more in depth than I could have gone. Are those diodes immediately visible after you pull the bottom cover off? Do you have a picture you could show as an example? Also I look forward to seeing your video. That will be a really good comparison.

@@AvLGuitar Yes! All you have to do is pull the back cover off of the RR-104 and all of the components are on the exposed side! As opposed to the standard M-104, which is on the bottom. RUclips doesn't allow you to attach photos, but you can't miss them. They are the only pair that are made of clear glass and silkscreened with a band.

I checked out the stock 2024 M-104 today. It has a UA741CP IC in it as well as 1% 1/4w metal film resistors and the 2 tantalum capacitors. The only difference between this one and the RR-104 and a vintage D+ were that the tone capacitors are all mylar instead of ceramic on the 2024 M-104 and the germanium diodes were red-band. The Vf of the diodes measured 0.696 and 0.667V at 5.00mA, similar to the green-band RR-104, but not as low as a vintage M-104 or the black-band RR-104 which measure in the 0.3xx to 0.4xx range. How did it sound tonally??...similar to a vintage D+, but not as much saturation/distortion as the diode Vf is higher. It was at about the same noise level and hiss as a vintage. I did notice that the higher frequencies were rolled off and not as bright or biting as a vintage pedal, so I would think that is due to the mylar capacitors instead of the ceramic type. The RR-104, at least the green-band one is significantly quieter than any of the D+'s I demoed, but unsure what is the cause of this. Was thinking due to modern IC, but have a clone D+ I built with an authentic Texas Instrument IC and the 2024 D+ appears to have an authentic TI IC in it, so unsure what else would be causing it to have less noise other than maybe better PCB layout. It is a different PCB-board?!?? Anyway, thanks again for the demo. There is a lot of variations in tone in the D+'s and over time. If one wants the original tone and sound, I would suggest purchasing an old pedal from the late 70's/early 80s!! My $0.02!!

@@AvLGuitar Open the back, and report back which band color your diodes are.

@@Amp_Expert I will check it out tomorrow night and let you know.

I agree there is a difference, though very slight. And probably if you were in a live situation with a full band you wouldn't really be able to pick it out like you can isolated in a bedroom.

@donedwards5150 I'm glad you enjoyed the video! It's definitely a collectors item with a cool paint job. But yeah, no one is gonna be able to tell that you've got a Randy Rhoads signature pedal from a regular one unless they see it.

Definetly not worth the price if your just looking for the tone. I wanted one initially. But after going to Sweetwater shortly after it came out and it was sold out and posted everywhere for 6-$1200. I decided to just forget about it. Since I already have a 1978 distortion + made by the real MXR (not Dunlop) company which is what Randy had anyway. And apparently Randy's wasn't modded as originally thought because my old one sounds the same as the new limited edition.

@@MrTravlinman1973 yeah I definitely bought it for the collector/fan appeal.

Yeah, for sure the only thing really that I noticed quality control wise was the sharp frets, and needed a little bit of set up work. But yeah, I thought that was kinda of sad that the $2500 Gibson version of this doesn't even have locking tuners. Doesn't make sense to me. I am also getting used to the asymmetrical neck carve on it the more I play it.

@@AvLGuitar yeah the finish is good it's not PRS but the finish is good as well. I might get it in for some fretwork because I been playing it a lot. But I feel with epiphone even with the 1959 les paul, they just have not the greatest fretwork

@@alexdoodlenoodle Yeah for sure especially now. I have a made in Korea Epiphone SG that didn't need any fretwork until I wore it down. I have had that guitar for 21 years and it has had a fret level and dress 4 times.

Thanks

Yeah, it's a super easy mod, and such an improvement. I'm gonna be putting one on an S series also pretty soon.

I am glad the video was a help to you. It's a great guitar. The color is what sold it for me. I had been tempted to get an SG modern before but they originally came only in that fade finish and I wasn't too into how it looked.

I do like like it. You can check out the full video on my page where I give my initial impressions, and I have another video giving some tone samples.