Workhorse of the CIS, the AAT | Fake Tank Friday
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Today we travel through hyperspace to the Star Wars Galaxy to take a look at the Armored Assault Tank also known as the AAT. Being one of the primary vehicles used by the Confederacy of Independent Systems this tank was very influential in the events of the Clone Wars.
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If you enjoyed this video why not check out one of my videos on a real world tank. You can start with the vehicle you saw from the footage at the start with this one: ruclips.net/video/aznzPFcKt_Y/видео.html
Cool!
So what if it crosses water? Marshy ground? Deep mud? Quicksand?
@@seriousmaran9414 it won't sink because it just floats over it
Can you do one with the rebels t4-b heavy tank?
@@Gencrossbones my point being it is more able to cross difficult terrain than any other "tank" in the Star Wars franchise.
What really sealed the AAT's fate was the Republic's development of Polymer Laminated Overlay Turadium (PLOT) armor.
That is genius pun
The only thing I think you missed is that the AAT has two hull-mounted guns in addition to its wing-mounted ones for anti-infantry use. It's almost never used in media, and in some media like Clone Wars they're actually removed (which is likely part of the art style, as the same tanks retain the hull guns when shown in other media).
Highly reminiscent of the dual, hull mounted, driver operated, machineguns on the M3 Lee and earliest M4 Sherman tanks, though, to my knowledge none were ever fitted to the early Shermans that mainly still had the mountings as a holdover from the Lees design work.
Only a few M3 Lees actually had the machineguns mounted cause it was quickly found that they were kinda useless/detrimental cause the driver would have to move the hull around to get a proper angle to fire on infantry and this would disrupt the aiming of the turret/main gun armament.
By the time they decided not to include any additional machineguns to that position (the Lee had 3 other turret/pintle mounted machineguns already) it was found to be cheaper to just weld over the holes for them on the new production hulls rather then remove them from the design entirely.
@@Kneb587 Another example are the quite odd, fixed, forward-firing machineguns mounted on the sides of on the IS-7.
The centrally mounted ones are probably more useful, but you really don't want your driver to have to fiddle with being a gunner anyway, so getting rid of them makes sense in either design.
@@HellbirdIV Oh right, I'd forgotten about the IS-7. That probably actually fits as a better comparison to the AAT in overall form.
All this _does_ make me wonder if the Trade Federation did like the M3 and removed the "drivers blasters" in while keeping the mountings. Since, as you stated, in some examples the mountings aren't even there.
@@Kneb587 they make more sense on a repulsorlift vehicle than on tracked vehicles.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 I'll grant you they make _more_ sense on a repulsorlift vehicle than a tracked one, but it _does_ already have those 2 blaster turrets on the sides.
The problem still remains of interrupting the aim of the main armament in the turret when the driver turns the hull for any reason, made worse by the fact that the turret of the AAT is so far off center that any hull movement is going to be exaggerated.
Of course this isn't taking into account whatever targeting/movement correction systems they might have in that design and the potential cost of production vs installation of various weapon systems of a fictional political entity in a galaxy far, far away.
... _Man_ i can get long winded sometimes.
Always digged the design, cool vid, thank you!
One decent repulsorlift triggered mine and those magazines go kaboom real good.
I love the AAT.
You should do Warhammer 40K Leman Russ
Could you talk about the HAVw A6(or the Clone Turbo Tank) Juggernaut in a future episode?
Sacred Cow Shipyards did a review on this thing that was pretty funny.
magnificent. and yeah, the side profile needs some work. or at least some sloped armor, or spaced, or reactive... ugh, not much works
They were the Good Guys...
I'm not sure why they made it a tank piloted by droids instead of a droid on its own, like the hailfire droids. It would save space for more ammo or anything else, and would make a hatch unnecessary.
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HAVw A6 Juggernaut next?
Even as unconventional as the AAT is compared to real life vehicles with it's strange hull mounted launchers and rear turret, the fact that it even had a hull/turret configuration was still superior to the finnicky animalistic walkers of the Republic and beyond. It's simply just more efficient.
True for some of them but the AT-TE probably edges out above it. The turret on the top and ability to scale even vertical cliff surfaces is pretty huge.
@@ConeOfArc That's true, but the turret on the AT-TE seems to be quite the deathtrap for whoever's unlucky enough to be in it. You're so exposed it's honestly criminal. It's like being in a convertible sports car on top of a semi trailer while you're being shot at from multiple directions.
Really it's kinda funny, most of the ATT's design flaws seen in the cartoons are really just that. Cartoonish oversights about how armored vehicles function. I mean come on, giant armored hatches that are both unable to latch shut AND can be opened with one hand? What's it made of, super aluminum?
Good point, however, walkers look cooler
@@soopespeed that is true, but the AT-TE would look better with a more conventional turret up top
It is kinda poor comparision, as AT-TE was never designed as s frontal assault/armour engaging vechicle. In it's base, AT-TE was a fire support/artilery support unit, that was able to traverse any terrain with little dificulty. Problem with it starts when it was deployed by the Republic in a role of an MBT of sorts, which it simply was never designed for. As the war went on, AT-TE was thankfuly less and less often used in such idiotic role, being replaced by TX-130 in a role of tank to tank engagements, and Juggernauts as a main breakthrew vechicles, capeble of leveling any fortifications and destroying most armoured vechicles mounted by CIS.
Never really thought about it in such detail, and that blueprint of seeing its insides looks incredible (didnt even know about the missiles lol)
If your wondering what the source of the cross section is, it's from a book called star wars: complete vehicles which covers many other cross sections and info on vehicles from most films such as the various star fighters, capital ships and even the death star if your interested, they also published books covering the vehicles featured in the sequel films.
@@cmsIGauffahrgestellPanzerkampf thank you very much
@@peracality7648 the missiles are shown in episode 1 though, and even a few clone wars episodes.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 I am still wondering if whoever designed the base of the tank with the holes in it actually thought they should be missile tubes or rather some air-intakes.
I need more Starwars content from you in my life. In particular, I would love your take on the CIS NR-N99 Snail tank from the Techno Union, as it is a really good tank design in terms of the star wars universe
Snail tank will probably be the next one I'll cover from Star Wars. Not sure if I'll include walkers since they technically aren't tanks but I probably still will
@@ConeOfArc As well as how Earth's various armored vehicles fair against their Star Wars counterparts?
@@pyeitme508 I'd love to do videos on that topic but it's not a super easy thing to do without being able to estimate the protection those vehicles provide. Might see if more knowledgeable star wars lore channels would be interested in helping out with that.
The Hail Fire Droid is also another Droid that is very interesting!
@@ConeOfArc A shot in the dark here, and it would require lots of measuring and some guessing. In the cross section, we see the thickness of the armor, yet we don't get solid numbers. What we could do to get the numbers is use the droids for comparison. I believe we know the depth of a B1 battle droid, so maybe if we use Pixel measurements, we could get a number. Like I said, shot in the dark. P.S. a vs. series would be awesome!
I think other main problems is really poor gun depression (as gun rotation point is just above the tank hull) makes it impossible to point a gun down without using a repulser lift to adjust the tank's angle, mixing with just how high it is... It can really put AAT in a really bad position in some situation.
As a Battlefront 2 player, I can confirm that the AAT's poor gun depression makes it easy to get onto the tank.
Speeders can run circles around AATs if they don't mind ruining their paintjobs, and sappers can plant charges if the crew isn't paying attention.
i don't see the gun depression issue, as you say it can just adjust the tank's angle.
This is really only a problem in the forward direction and it that case the tank could use its plow guns.
6:53 The TX-130 Saber-class Fighter Tank right there could be a good one to do for the series.
Fun fact: this tank was based off the turret designs of French oscillating turrets like the amx-13 and amx-50
How? The AAT has a one man turret that only oscillates the gun breach/cannon
@@nahuelleandroarroyo the whole design of the tank looks like an oscillating turret, like how the back of the tank hangs much higher above the ground than the front. Take an aat whole and photoshop it on a chassis and you’ll see.
If France had hover technology they'd probably produce something similar.
@@hedgehog3180 I always feel cringe when I see other people doing this, but how the fuck are you everywhere I go on RUclips these days? I've seen you at least once a day for like 4 days straight now.
I'd love a vs series between fake tanks. Imagine a Baneblade going up against the P.1000 Ratte or the AAT vs a Scorpion from Halo
Baneblade beats ratte
Baneblade would stop, the mechanicus would be too busy drooling over the other designs
Ratte on future mega heavy gang violence would be HILARIOUS.
Lego makes a really neat version of this tank. I bought two and sent one to my son in Germany. Great way to make memories despite the distance when we built them together over a video chat.
That's very wholesome
I have the older clone wars AAT Lego model somewhere. Not a huge fan of the newer one they did which is pretty lame looking in my opinion but the slightly older one was an amazing model.
Aye, the 2000-ish one was a pretty good set. Made use of the old UFO parts for the shovel hull, and the cannon made of technic bits. Was a tough assembly for 10 year old me, but fun to build.
Always liked the AAT, it's an unapologetic moving wall of sheer firepower.
Right, it's more of an assault vehicle than a main battle tank
Love it Cone! I really do enjoy this series you have going about fake tanks! Keep-it-up my friend! You should maybe do the TIE Crawler some time!
So one thing to note: the AAT was originally meant to be used by living sentient crew. But the Trade Federation used battle droids instead as crew.
you could have used the model from battlefront 2 2017, but you chose to use the 2005 battlefront 2. RESPECT hope next week going to be the AT-TE
I don't actually own the newer battlefront on PC at the moment. Plus I figured the older one did just a good a job of showing it in action
@@ConeOfArc Thanks for reminding me how much time I spent playing the old Battlefront 2. What a great game!
A consideration on the height- blasters don't arc, so the main (and secondary) armaments are line of sight weapons.
In this situation, height is range.
"...sensor jamming" With these being crewed by droids, I would think that any jamming would affect them as well.
No, B1's after the Phantom Menace are all autonomous. They are basically robotic human soldiers, except cheaper.
Considering every system on board requires power I wouldn't bother being concerned about the lack of view ports, by the time the lack of them are a concern you're already buggered.
Btw this probably counts as an anphibious tank because I remember you could "drive" above the water in Star Wars: Battlefront
Fellow ATTE lover spotted. Initiating like button protocol.
The only variant you missed was the HAG;
It was similar to the defoliator but it’s cannon was off to the side and it fired standard artillery shells. The vehicle is purely in legends and was used from the invasion of naboo to the end of the clone wars. It shows up in Galactic battlegrounds and Clone Wars (2002 game).
to be fair, if the AAT suffered power loss, it would be stuck on the ground and unable to fight anyways so I dont think a lack of view ports is that much a problem for that reason
The easy open hatches would allow an easy exit of the vehicle in tha scenario too
@@Tuck-Shop yeah the hatches are plenty big enough for an easy escape but they should have locking latches. Tho TBH the whole thing should just be one big robot
Id love to see him cover some of the Warhammer tanks, especially ones such as the new Kratos Heavy Tank or some of the Baneblade chassis Super-Heavy Tanks. Or hell maybe even some of the crawling tanks of AdMech or spooky tanks of the Necron… Please do so one day if you could. Love your videos.
One of my first complicated Lego sets was on of these. No idea what happened to it, coolest thing I had as a kid
I like the idea of hypothetical "VS" series.
If possible, I would like to submit "Systems Alliance M35 MAKO IFV" versus another IFV :) I would classivy the Mako more as an IFV than an APC due to to its reduced carry capacity, but highly capable armament.
The AAT cannot be any good if Jar Jar can take one out!
In the Starfighter games, these tanks demonstrate a remarkable flexibility in gun elevation, able to aim almost straight up and behind them and firing on aircraft without becoming unbalanced.
Now now Cone of Arc if we're talking fictional tanks you can't not cover the Baneblade the rolling fortress of the Astra Militarum. Actually most of the tanks in the 40k universe is interesting, even the ork scrap tanks and the sleek looking tau tanks.
Hopefully we'll see the Republic's own hover tank in the future, the TX-225 and how the Empire further developed the design into the 2-M Hover Tank.
The episode 1 artbook has a fair amount of alternative designs if you decide to cover stuff like the MTT or Droideka's some really cool stuff B-1 could have looked very different.
Definitely one of the best tank designs in Star Wars. Way more practical than the walkers.
I prefer Earth 🌎🌍 tanks & Earth made anti-tank weapons.
There is an imperial version in grey and with additional armor known as the Imperial Assault Tank.
I put the aat up against the Merkava in Arma 3 and the Merkava was victorious.
Based Merkava
Yep cause Merkava better!
Mines are probably still a very real problem. Even though pure contact mines are used typically on earth in the 20th and 21st centuries may be relatively useless (though who knows, the repulsor plates may well exert a real downward force strong enough to trigger a detonation) it's probably safe to assume, given the large scale use of the technology in the Empire and beyond, that mines specifically designed to trigger on being passed over by repulsors would be in place.
Furthermore, the high design combined with the tank having a very large and heavy overhang to the rear seems to me to be problematic to say the least, especially on slopes where the rear shifted center of gravity may well cause the vehicle to simply topple over, effectively limiting its use to level ground or downward slopes.
The very low placement of much of the weaponry seriously limits the use of that weaponry, making employment of the tank in defilade impossible, further increasing its vulnerability to enemy fire which is already seriously high due to its high profile.
Overall it seems to be a vehicle that despite its theoretical advantages of massive firepower combined with good visibility (due to its height) and excellent ground clearance due to its repulsor plates is in reality far from optimal.
A lower design with the weapons closer to the top and the center of gravity better distributed towards the center of the repulsor fields would certainly be far more effective in actual combat.
On the topic of repulsorlifts, we know they exert some force but it's not significant, as Qui-Gon Jinn and Jar Jar Binks lay down flat underneath an MTT as it passes over them - and the MTT is a much, MUCH larger and heavier repulsorvehicle than the AAT - with the only effect being what seems to be powerful wind close to the ground.
So repulsorvehicles would most definitely be too light on the ground to trigger physical switches on anti-tank mines, but it's likely that the Star Wars galaxy has other types of trigger that work against repulsorvehicles, like magnetic sensors.
This reminds of concept arts by Vlad Mojaev on how Star Wars vehicle in modern world would look like.
What about the TX-130, AT-TE, AT-RT, or the AT-AT? I would love to see some more Star Wars content from you and I really enjoyed this video! Keep up the good work!
What about the Type 61 and the M61A5 tank used by the earth federation in mobile suit gundam during the OYW.
I'm not sure the immunity to mines is plausible. Repulsorlift is not flight, it pushes downwards against planetary gravity - presumably with a force equal to the vehicle's mass. So it would set off pressure-triggered mines. Also, other forms of sensor could be used to trigger mines.
It is true that the AAT's distance from the surface would allow the force of simple mines to dissipate before striking it, but a simple bounding mine adaption could overcome that.
A penetration of the lower hull, filled as it is with ammo, could be disastrous.
You should to the Imperial
AT-DP for Fake Tank Friday (if the AT-DP is considered a tank)
You know.... if you ever thought about doing Mechs from Mech Warrior, if you're into the lore and all.
Nice video as always. It’s also day/video 4 of asking for a cursed by design on the 15 cm SiG Hetzer.
I love how you showcase the tank's hardship against infantry throughout the whole video :)
Mines may still be effective , if the repulsor lift exerts force on the surface, it may be a sufficient amount of force to trigger a AT mine.
The profile is what bothers me most about it, the TX-130 Saber-class tank has such a low profile compared to it with a height of around 2.5m or so I think it was. But compared to it, the AAT has a rotating turret, which I don't think close to any Republic counterpart has.
I think the AAT is all around a pretty well designed vehicle that was well used for their form of warfare.
Hope to see more Sci-Fi tanks being discussed with a critical eye on wether it is possible and what issues it might face. Would love to see a video about Warhammer 40k Imperial Guard tanks.
im working on some concept art for the Armored Snow Speeder (it has the best acronym)
I thought the CIS was the coolest faction, but it seems like they lose every battle on screen which makes me sad
I am now interested in the "Magrider" from Planetside 2.
It's most near earth comparison is bmpt in terms of weaponary.
Do more star wars tanks, like the clone turbo tank, and the AT-TE
it would be my dream if mark felton did a video like this on april first in his style
I personally prefer the TX-130
Can you do a halo scorpion tank vs the AAT?
You'd make a good star wars lore content maker
Please, do "Dominion Tank Police" !!
I would like to hear about the super tank.
There's additional models in the extended lore including artillery and SPAA versions
A consideration that merits some attention is the recovery of disabled/ broken down units. With a conventional tracked suspension, you just fasten on some tow cables, put the drive train in neutral, and the vehicle will just roll along as it is pulled. How do you tow an AAT that cannot propel itself?
Given the setting, you would probably recover it using a repulsor-lift aircraft. Dropships and gunships that can carry heavy armoured vehicles are common in Star Wars. Picking up a tank with a helicopter just isn't an option in the real world, but that would be the go-to recovery method if it was.
0:40 Truly the most badass tank in Star Wars. Anchored to asteroids for ambush, can climb upside-down, the thing is just plain awesome.
AT-TE = best vehicle change my mind
lol good one. ever going to cover the strange tanks of Battletanx?
really didn't expect Star Wars content from Cone but man I sure now want more :D
Try to review a "*Tie Tank*"
The Jar Jar lick tank
Do the atte next please
The big issue to me is why it has 'crew' at all. The 'crew' are expensive, complex humanoid droids that don't use most of that capability while they're sat in the tank. Why not just plug two or three droid brains straight into the tank's electronics, then make it smaller and more heavily armoured by eliminating the internal crew volume?
Canonically, that might be the case. The reason why it has crew at all is because the AAT was also sold to humanoid species, who would require actual crew spots.
I also think the central disk is sort of a sensory machine for the driver. I also reckon parts of the tank functions are artificial intelligence, hence the drop in crewcount, such as partial automation ASSISTANCE for gunner and driver.
I always assumed that the AAT predated the battledroids, or was not originally intended to be used with them. It could be that the Trade Federation planned for the tank to be operated with human/humanoid alien crews, but later decided to use B1 battledroids as tank crews once they had a shortage of actual tank crews. This way, they still left the option open for using organic tank crews when possible.
Later designs (spider droids, snail droids HMP gunships) do seem to use droid brains, so maybe retooling the factories was just not worth the effort? B1 droids don't seem to be particularly expensive after all. The benefit of this arrangement is that the tanks could also be crewed by organic soldiers of the CIS and their allies and used as command tanks by tactical droids and organic commanders.
The AAT is either the WW2 equivalent of the M4 Sherman, or the post-War Soviet T-54. The closet thing to this from another series, is the HALO covenant Tank.
It seems that SWBF and SWBF2 have 2 different thoughts on how the cannons operate. Laser cannons have a larger high explosive on BF1 compared to BF2. So I wonder if the lasers a filled with some sort of high explosive. On the other hand I feel the TX-130 would out perform the AAT because of its short size and faster fire rate
I don’t know why, but for some reason the turret of the AAT reminds me of the turret of Panzer IV
I am just confused why you'd have a droid army having a tank which is manned by droids. Seems so impractical. Why not have just a tank droid and be done with it.
I prefer the AT&T
Never thought I'd see this tank here, amazing content as always!
I wonder why a faction that uses droid starfighters, doesn't use droid tanks too.
Sure, some of the larger droids were used as self-moving artillery, but no tanks.
@Arkos Then why this tank?
@Arkos Then it is a tank designed by someone who hates tank-crews, even on his own side.
Its basically a Russian tank in star wars. Effective, but cheap, expendable, and most of all, LACKING GUN DEPRESSION!
Leamen Russ MBT of the imperium of man in 40k next pls
Or the Bain blade of the imperium of man in 40k next pls
The thing about the AAT is that it's immediately better designed than most other "tanks" in Star Wars, since it actually has a turret compared to something like the TX-130.
Hmmm, might as well take a look at the Maghariba Guard Tactical Armoured Gear (TAG) from the tabletop skirmish game Infinity by Corvus Belli. The Haqqislamite heavyweight, either in its original 'Spider Tank' configuration, or the updated Scorpion appearance. Just a neat pseudo-tank I've always had a soft spot for
While the height of the vehicle would be a problem, in a way it also could also give it an advantage in the wildly varied terrian, allowing it to pop its turret over obsticals and such while the ammunition remains low and less likely to be hit.
Next week: Imperial Guard's Leman Russ main battle tank from Warhammer 40,000.
Now I'm curious what your thoughts are about the Tx-130 Saber Tank. Oh and 1 thing you forgot to mention is that the AAT was capable of ramming other vehicles. Although this was likely very rare. Given we only ever seen it once in which the Droid command rammed his tank into a thick and dense alien bush.
The biggest weakness of the AAT was the B1 Battle Droid crew..! The centralised command feed from the Mothership meant no 'on the fly' tactics were possible during ground battles. Even OOM command droids [typically in the turret] were not capable of independent OR abstract thought - which is a crippling tactical weakness under battle conditions.
Re the hatches... I would guess [I don't know] that they were electrically mag-locked, so any damage to the tank or corruption of its systems might leave various functions very vulnerable. ALSO, let's not forget, cartoons are very simplistic... and The Clone Wars is basically 'damned good fun' that shouldn't be over analysed.
Modern thermal sights, long range missile launchers, and APFSDS/HEATFS rounds would mulch armored columns of the AAT, the best use of it would be mountainous terrain where a traditional tank would be all but useless, providing armored support for infantry.
Great Video, I've always loved Star Wars military vehicles. The only semblance of a nitpick I have is saying that it was designed by Baktoid Armor Factories instead of Baktoid Armor Workshop. Still a wonderful video nonetheless! Keep on rolling!
I think my biggest issue with this tank IS the droid crew. As we almost always see these things being manned by B-1 Battledroids, which even when configured to operate these vehicles have about as much mental flexibility as plywood with the cowardice of a Grunt from Halo; And T-series Tactical Droids which are TECHNICALLY smarter but are often incredibly predictable due to their universally massive egos. I understand that the tank was likely sold beyond the CIS and would therefore need to accommodate the most prevalent galactic body types, but if you're going to have a droid tank, why not make it a DROID tank. Replace the commanders section with a computer and either have it commanded remotely or give it the brainpower to execute its orders independently like any number of assassin droids. And instead of a crew compartment you could add more armor, ammunition, fuel, ANYTHING just not two more B-1's. I realize this jumps up the costs to produce this tank dramatically, but we see ALL THE TIME, how the incompetence of the droids operating the tank gets it destroyed, how tossing grenades into unlocked crew hatches costs the operators what would be the lives of a living crew, and the CIS an entire friggin tank. Tank losses that could be avoided, if the tank was operated by something smarter and didn't have crew hatches so much as it might have maintenance access ports...that could be locked/unlocked with a key literal or electronic.
OR just hire mercenaries to operate it, it clearly already accommodates most people in the SW universe and B-1's have their limits.
Nice work on expanding your tank range. Now for my suggestion for a fictional (somewhat) "alien" tank... Only from the future.
The tanks used in Killzone.
I've played the original trilogy (and have the footage to show for it) and in the original game, I've managed to destroy both Helghast tanks and APCs with only hand grenades. You need at least three to take them down but it's doable. I've done it many times...
Ummm how do you think of doing a fake tank with the two tanks of Battlefield 2142. The european tank, it's a very conventional tank, but the PAC tank isn't another thing. Like the CIS AAT, it's a hover tanks, but with tank destroyer like gun placement (like the old Stugs). However this tanks are pretty agile, and can compensate the lack of a rotating turret with speed and how quickly can turn on the spot.
Concept for Fake Tank Friday matchups: P.1000 Ratte vs. AAT. The question at hand: does size matter?
Ah, but how would it stand up to shots from the Atgar 1.4 FD P-Tower Laser Cannon or even the Golan Arms DF.9 Anti-Infantry Battery?
I think the cost analysis should have been viewed more seriously or not done. Simply asserting 'it's cheap' because it's cheaper than the AAT, and pretending that translates into this supposedly real world scenario is flimsy. This tank is equipped with a ludicrous amount of weapons, including the equivalent of several autocannons, a main tank gun, and six ATGM systems. Reasonably we should not guess at the expense of future technology like a repulsor lift, but even very brief contemplation should make it obvious that the loadout of this tank would make it extremely expensive compared to a vehicle that foregoes this level of redundant fire-power. Therefore, comparing it to a traditionally designed tank, this vehicle should be considered more expensive.