First time watching: The 800 / Ba Bai (2020) - Reaction and Review
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- This is the reaction to the Chinese War Movie called the 800, which plays in SIngapur in the year of 1937 and is based on a true story. It is a great Movie with bombastic Visuals and a grand Scale.
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At the time, Nazi Germany still had relationship with the National Party of China. The reason they use Nazi flag is because as the ally of Germany, Japanese usually don't shoot people under that flag. Similar thing happened in NanJing as well during the massacre, a Nazi officer/diplomat of the embassy couldn't bare witness to the horrifying scene under the Japanese occupation in NanJing thus using a Nazi Flag saving as many as he could from the massacre.
Actually in 1937 Germany wasn’t an ally of Japan yet. And had closer ties with China. In fact the 800 is a German trained unit that’s why a lot of them use German equipment.
@@Jose.AFT.Saddul Technically yes.
However, Nazi Germany and Empire of Japan did sign Anti-Comintern Pact in 1936/11/25. So it won’t be far fetched to say that Germany and Japan were in process of creating alliance prior to 1937.
It's called Guomindang.
@@HenryTitorChina also signed I believe
@@redragonedits I’m pretty sure it’s only a pack between Germany and Japan.
The actual history of this battle was only with 452 Chinese soldiers defending against an entire Japanese army. It says "800" because the Chinese commander didn't want the Japanese to know how few they actually had. But anyways, the history of this battle is absolutely freaking insane. I mean it was Japan vs China at this warehouse and civilians across the river would literally watch the battle and cheer for the Chinese. I mean just incredible story.
This is a true story ww2
I know everything about the war
It was 800 because they were really 800 from the start, but they wanted to pay tribute to their brothers who died fighting before the battle of Sihang Warehouse
It's a remake of a 1976 movie from Taiwan called 800 Heroes (八百壯士) which itself is a remake of a 1938 movie that dramatised the 1937 Battle of Sihang Warehouse in Shanghai during the Second Sino-Japanese War.
It is generally understood that it was a showcase battle that was fought just opposite the foreign concessions of Shanghai in order to gain the support of the international community. It was also a rearguard action of sort to cover the withdrawal of Chinese forces from Shanghai after a months long battle to defend the city.
The flag raising incident was an iconic event that is in the popular memory of the Chinese diaspora but quite unknown within China itself. In fact it was this scene that resulted in the release of the film being delayed in China as it was deemed to be improper to have a movie glorifying the flag of the anti-Communist Republic of China when the Communist Party of China was preparing to celebrate her 100th anniversary.
The rationale that was eventually shared was that it was to assert that China still held sovereignty in Shanghai, especially to the refugees in the foreign concession.
Here's a more nuanced and contextual review of the movie from a film student's perspective:
ruclips.net/video/Gtf4eqR8Tic/видео.html
A brief introduction to the background: the story takes place in Shanghai, which should have belonged to the British occupation of China at that time. Since 1840, the Qing Dynasty, then the legitimate government of China, has been colonized by European powers, including unequal treaties signed by European and Japanese countries ceding Shandong, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Macao, Taiwan and other places. In 1912, the Qing emperor abdicated, the Beiyang government took over China, opened more than 20 years of warlord civil war, and wiped out a generation.
In 1937, under domestic pressure, Japan launched the "snake swallowing elephant" battle plan with the intention of destroying China in three months. At the beginning, the Chinese army was ready to collapse. This is the background story.
The soldiers in the film are called "German weapons division", belonging to one of China's few elite troops, well-educated and equipped with sophisticated weapons, and served in the then legitimate government of the Republic of China (KMT). Because of the Warlord's civil war for more than 20 years, a large number of young people have been forced to recruit. Therefore, the combat effectiveness and organization of Chinese soldiers in the film are quite poor. Many ordinary people have been makers all their lives, and they have been recruited into the battlefield without even seeing the electric light.
From 1937 to 1945, warlords formed a unified Anti Japanese Alliance. In 1945, Japan surrendered. The two remaining parties in China are KMT and CCP, which can be said that KMT basically unified the Chinese mainland at that time. After three years of civil war, CCP unified China and founded the people's Republic of China in 1949. KMT retreated to Taiwan, that is, the Republic of China. Until today, China's civil war has not ended.
In the eight-year Sino Japanese War, more than 30 million Chinese military and civilian casualties, excluding the previous civil war of Chinese warlords, the war of aggression against China by the Eight Power Allied forces, and the subsequent civil war between the Kuomintang and the Communist Party. For example, Sichuan is one of 34 provinces in China. During the Sino Japanese War, Sichuan sent 3.5 million soldiers to participate in the exhibition. After the war, 700000 soldiers were killed and injured.
the Kuomintang and the Communist Party Is CCP and KMT
Many successions were given back to China by the nine power treaty. The international zone in the film was the ‘Shanghai International Settlement’ which was governed by various foreign countries like Britain, France, U.S. etc.
The two German generals who helped form and train the KMT National Army was Hans von Seeckt and Alexander von Falkenhausen. Hans von Seeckt was also instrumental in the organizational structure of the Wehrmacht.
the horseback warrior was supposed to represent Zhao Yun from the 3 Kingdoms period.
He always represented warriors who protected the nation.
The defense of the warehouse was important for 2 reasons:
1) To slow Japanese advance so the NRA main force can retreat and regroup towards the west
2) Rally western support. The international settlement across the river was a multi nation "colony".
funfact: All the survivors in the warehouse were held captive by the british, as a agreement with the japanese. When the japanese invaded again in WW2, they became prisoners of war, and were sent to do hard labour in the Pacific. So.... these guys never returned to their homes until after 1945. That's like, 8+ years. (That's if they actually survived the japanese occupation).
They did, 36 were sent to Papua New Guinea to do hard labour but near the end of the war they overpowered the guards and freed themselves.
Some even escaped labour camp and rejoined the army
Thank you for reaction this
your welcome :)
@@LeechTMReacts You know honor them who fought for China.
I'm maybe happy but disappointed that no one would remember them.
The prisoner execution was the best scene to me.
Thank you for acting for this movie very good movie, The men who sacrificed themselves with their grenades had Is crying like a baby and I'm grown ass man. lol
It is not a neutral zone.
During the age of colonization, European powers took concessions (pieces of land) throughout China and in Shanghai. They had their own law enforcement and military garrison(s). The reason why Japan didn't attack these zones was because they didn't want to start unnecessary wars with the European powers ( such would be deemed an act of war)
yup it was real
8 district in Shanghai was divided to 8 countries after 8 countries alliance war against boxer rebellion during qing dynasty. They called those area consession. The one in movie, behind the warehouse belong to uk. The war took place in 1937 before japanese officially at war with the west in 1942. So during this time, japan, uk, us, Fr, de, ru, it, are ally. That's why Japanese troops only bombard territories hold by the China nationalist and leave out other consession unharmed. Act of bombarding other consession is consider as act of war against those nation from the west.
As for shooting through nazi flag, the japanese sharp sniper shooter saw through the ploy and realizes the one behind the flag isn't German, but Chinese. Japan and Germany is ally at this time.
si se hubieran quedado en el almacén habrían sido sacrificados, esto les pasó a los caranquis cuando los derrotamos y perseguimos hasta un lago donde todos fueron degollados, o a nosotros mismos cuando a punto de caer la fortaleza muchos se lanzaban hacia el enemigo para morir peleando o se suicidaban, solo quedaron 1500 que fueron degollados. Los países que han vivido guerras constantes a lo largo de su historia han experimentado tanto derrotas como victorias, han sido tanto invasores como invadidos, por ello para estos los actos de patetismo son muy comunes. La batalla de Arica ,por ejemplo, pelearon hasta que no pudieron más y muchos heridos y prisioneros fueron fusilados, en uno de los fuertes un cabo al ver perdida la posición y ver que el enemigo los desbordaba hizo estallar el polvorín matando a amigos y enemigos por igual.
la bandera siempre ha sido importante en cierto modo, por ejemplo muchos murieron ametrallados tratando de izar la bandera de la fragata blindada Independencia luego de que esta cayera por los tiros mientras la fragata se hundía, o compañías enteras que desaparecieron tratando de defender su bandera, ,o del coronel Ugarte que tomó la bandera de su batallón y galopó para depeñarse con ella evitando que fuera capturada, , o cuando ... Bueno, la regla de la bandera es que nunca puede ir ladeada sino erguida y orgullosa, eso significa que la unidad tiene la moral alta y aunque los estén acabando mientras la bandera se mantenga erguida la moral se mantendrá. Cuando capturamos la bandera del segundo de línea la unidad no tardó mucho en desmoronarce y los acabamos a tiros. En el caso del almacén izar la bandera era un acto de desafío hacia el enemigo y una forma de levantar la moral a su pueblo, porque la guerra no había hecho más que empezar. En cuanto al hecho de reventar con las bombas no me extraña, el sacrificio y valor son muy comunes, por ejemplo el cado de un peryano y un chileno que fueron hallados muertos cerca a los cañones, ambos se habían ensartado con las bayonetas y luego se habían disparado. O el caso del soldado chileno que ensartó su bayoneta en el pecho de un montonero y este le clavó su rejón en el pecho. O el de una señora que eliminó a gran parte de una compañía enemiga invitandoles a comer y para que no sospecharan ella también comió la comida envenenada y murió. Creo que ya me salí del tema xd pero espero que se entienda el punto. Estos actos son comunes cuando hay amor a la patria.
The flowers of war, please.
Ja, die Zero ging 1940 in Dienst - dem Jahr 2600 im kaiserlich japanischen Kalendar. Japanische Ausrüstung der Era war generell als "Typ X" bezeichent, wobei X die Nummer des Jahres und Jahrzehntes nach dem japanischen Kalendar war. Jahrhundertwenden wuden dann entweder als Typ 0 oder Typ 100 klassifiziert. Daher auch der Spitzname "Zero" für das Trägerjagdflugzeug Typ 0 A6M.
Der letzte Teil, A6M, ist ein spezifisches Designiersystem für Flugzeuge der Marine. Der erste Buchstabe steht für die Rolle (A =Jagdflugzeug für Trägergebrauch), die Zahl für das wievielte Modell in der Rolle (die Zero war also das sechste Modell für eine trägergestützten Jagdflieger den die Marine in Dienst stellte) und der zweite Buchstabe steht für den Hersteller (M=MItsubishi). Eine größere Modifikation bekam dann eine zweite Zahl am Ende hinzu, z. B. A6M2. Und manchmal kam dann noch ein Bindestrich plus Buchstabe, wenn sich die Rolle einer Variante vom Hauptmodell unterschied. (Z.B. N1K2-J; N1K war ein etwas einzigartiger Schwimmflugzeug-Jäger, währen die -J Variante ein rein landgestützter Jäger war.)
If you want, you can review the film directed by Zhang Zi Mou . Christian Bale is the protaganist in the film called "Flowers of War"
Real history happened in Shanghai back in 1937, part of Sino-Japanese War. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Sihang_Warehouse
i liked it
There was 21 country's lande
Japanese snipers are shooting at them
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funny？