For just the CNC components, I spent around $1400 more upgrading a stock Journeyman than it would cost to purchase one of the new Elite Journeyman CNCs from Onefinity. There are some differences between this build and an Elite machine, but buying an Elite series machine is definitely the better way to go if you can stand the wait.
Fantastic job and video, very informative. It will be interesting to see where the OneFinity upgrade kit/path falls in line as compared to your upgrade. $1400 was not as bad as I thought it would be. Perhaps Onefinity will pass on some of the bullk purchase discounts from Masso, or not.
@@LavinWoodworks I don't know but my guess would be no. The larger stepper motors would take significantly more power than the stock ones so I doubt that they would have sized the power supply to be able to handle much output.
@@42Pursuit this is the current power supply. I know nothing about this stuff. Would it be underpowered. And if so what one would work if you don’t mind me asking. Thank you for the help! Enclosed Type 349.2W 36V 9.7A LRS-350-36 Meanwell AC-DC Single Output LRS-350 Series MEAN WELL Switching Power Supply
I'm sure you'll hear / have heard this lots but you'll probably want to add some rubber or something to the holes drilled in the frame to route wires (2:10) so you don't end up with a short in a few years of wear and tear from vibrations through the table onto the sharp edge of the drilled hole and the wires.
My interests are more aligned with DIY machines, but your video is so full of useful information and insight into thought processes that it is invaluable. 👍 Thanks so much! Liked & Subscribed.
Thanks so much John! Do you have a machine that you've built? If so I'd love to see what you've got! One of these days I want to design and build a machine from the ground up.
@@42Pursuit : Thanks for the interest... currently I am 75% through sprucing up a Myford Super 7 lathe and Rodney vertical mill attachment that my father bought when I was 5 years old... that was 71 years ago! In retirement, I have had time to play around with Arduinos, steppers, 3D printing etc. I've watched every video the "University of RUclips" has offered me on CNC routers and mills. I would like to tackle a 6040 type machine, ideally capable of aluminium, and small mild steel work. Since rigidity is paramount for these materials, I am considering trying a chassis from "engineered stone" kitchen bench offcuts. I have never seen anything constructed from this material... I hope I don't find out why it's a stupid idea! 🥴 Possibly a fixed gantry/moving bed, Chinese MGN15 linear rails and ball-screws. I was fortunate to be allowed to strip a couple of large commercial copiers with collating units... I now have a satisfying selection of steppers, precision-ground shafts etc, including some NEMA 23's! 😁 I have no practical use for this machine other than the satisfaction, so the budget will be in control! Should any of this become more than a pipe dream, I will certainly let you in on the secret! Regards.
Nice build. I don't have the space for 4x4 but am planning a 2x3 2.2kw build. Probably gonna stick with the Duet line of controllers, probably 3HC, which kinda destroys your startup time argument as my Duet2 from power on is ready to go from a laptop in about 3 seconds, but yes, you basically need another computer. They have a display output port running UART but I am no UI programmer and the display that Duet sells is like 6 or 7 inches diagonal. I am curious what your planning for ATC, are you thinking there's any way you can keep the 2.2kw spindle and just get an ATC attachment, or go the $1500 minimum BT30 spindle upgrade route?
Might have to get one of these Masso controllers for one of my cnc's ... Got a Pokeys57CNC now on most because of the extremely useful programming options, poblocks and their CNC keyboard.
Very impressive. I can't wait to get my first CNC router setup. I've been getting into Laser cutting/engraving to start out and I LOVE this stuff- wish I'd gotten into this a long time ago. I chose a Laser as my first CNC type machine since I love the burned edge look, plus due to the lack of friction the cost of entry is a lot lower. I aim to build a CNC machine very similar to this with the hopeful profits I may make with the laser- we'll see how it goes though, life never goes to plan!
A tip: dust screen in front of the intake fan for the electronics. It will save you a lot of cleaning time. Planning on using something like swiffer dry mop pads to filter out that airborne wood.
thank you for the excellent coverage of your build - jealous does not describe me adequately. been wanting to convert to Masso for about a yr now before 1F did it, budget and my tech skills have me holding back
Give it a go! You got this! Also, Onefinity has said they'll be offering an upgrade route later this year for those that want to upgrade the original machines to an Elite equivalent. Keep an eye out for that.
I have a Onefinity Elite Foreman. The motors that come on this are 1.2nM. My question is, since the Y-axis is driven by 2 separate motors does their force add linearly. Meaning is the force on the y-axis 1.2nM x 2 = 2.4nM? If that is the case then I think I would only upgrade the x and z axis with the 3nM motors.
Great video....for the first half, i was saying to myself..."ok, i can do this upgrade myself"....then you opened that electronics box and that quickly changed to, "Are you crazy, you're going to electrocute yourself kid"... Super excited to upgrade my X50 JM as soon as possible..
Fantastic build. I am waiting for my journeyman elite. Will be building a table like Kings torsion box table. If I had the tools and capabilities to do steal I would love to do that. Maybe my next table build! Thanks for sharing!
It's never too late to pick up a cheap mig welder and start practicing laying down some weld beads :) Glad you enjoyed the video, and thanks for watching!
Great build overview Gavin! I would like to step my machine up to a spindle from the makita router and your video absolutely made it seem way less intimidating!
How did you hook up your pendant estop? I’m planning on doing the elite upgrade and have pendant from Masso but here others that have hooked up pendant and estop does not work.
l liked your design and component aproaching to the main frame construction. looks awesome and realy rigid. Booomm.. Annd love to see this beast as working on a part . BTW great job .👏👏👏👏👏👏 EDIT : l tought that its was your DIY project when l saw yoıur video at the first time. But its o.k. it is worth applauses..
Ah, yes, I wish I had come up with the frame design myself, but rather than reinventing the wheel I decided to just go with a solid frame that was already available ☺
Outstanding video! I have a Journeyman now and have been waiting patiently for the Elite upgrade, but I just read they have pushed it from the 1st quarter to 2nd quarter, which means with lead times it could be the end of the year before I would receive it. I know you said you spent more money than one would by doing the upgrade, but you're gaining much more powerful steppers. I think I am going to do as you have done and upgrade it myself. One question, what stepper driver did you choose for your rotary axis? I don't see it listed in your bill of materials. Thanks again!
Thanks Scott! I'm not entirely sure if the 3Nm steppers are necessary since Onefinity elected to go with the much smaller 1.2Nm steppers, but in my mind, as long as the power supply for them is sized large enough, better to have the torque and not need it than to need the torque and not have it. Good catch on the stepper driver, here's the one I used: amzn.to/3yNharl It's just a generic one that I've had good luck with on other projects.
@@42Pursuit One last question... I'm really digging your wiring layout and wanted to replicate it. I'm reading as much info as I can so I'll understand what each component does so I don't fry the electronics and electrocute myself. 😁 The two contactors you're using for the 120v and 220v seem to be the same rating, 120 volts. Is that intentional or is the other contactor rated at 220v? You only have the 120v listed in your BOM. Thanks I'm advance! 🙂
@@scottbg1 Good question! I used this contactor for both. The coils are rated for 120v (the A1 and A2 connections), but the operational voltage (Ue) is rated for up to 250v with a max of 20 amps. I set it up so the coils were energized from the 120v lines, but then switched the power for the 120v for one, and 240v for the other. Clear as mud? 😄
Love seeing you use those power connectors. Typically they are only used in the AV world for lighting and audio. For people that might want to source the power connector elsewhere, Its called a powercon connector. The blue is supposed to be power in and white is supposed to be power out. I would actually look for the neutrik tru1 connector instead as its better rated and has proper break when you turn the plug
@@42Pursuit Neutrik is the original manufacturer of powercon. True 1 is higher IP rated over standard powercon. As for the power rating they are the same.
I have built a few CNC Routers about ten years ago. Looks like the hardware available is getting much better, which is nice to see. Can someone tell me why people are excited about the ELITE machine? I do see what appears to be a novel approach: the use of these massive circular linear bearings for stiffness. My first question is: are they as heavy as they look?
Would love to know how this setup compares to say a $10K Avid or something similar. Does it cut almost as fast.. as clean? Or do you get a lot more for that $10K or so? New to all this so not sure what the major diff is. Also.. can you integrate a tool changer with this machine.. or is that not possible?
I haven't personally run an Avid but I'd say their 4x4 is pretty comparable to the Onefinity Foreman Elite. Avid is rack and pinion for x and y which will allow for faster moves, but I've been able to cut at 500 inches per minute on this machine very accurately so think that difference is negligible for most operations. Avid also has a taller gantry and can have a slightly larger spindle, but both of those factors don't affect the type of work most people will do on this size of machine. As far as tool changers go, that's actually why I picked the Masso controller as it has built in ATC capability. I'm hoping to explore that option here in the near future and hopefully add an ATC spindle and tool rack onto this machine.
I have original onefinity woodworker. I really want that new controller but I don't want to buy a new machine. how can i get that controller on my machine?
@@42Pursuit Granted it could have been a sales trying to upsell me but i dont think so but from what they (A support person from onefinity) said you have to upgrade the steppers and stuff needed. and you run into the cost of just getting a new machine. I did see the controller for i think 1300 around about. granted i love my onefinity Im just not busy enough for 2
@@st0mper121 Ah, yes, I get that. I ordered the controller along with the closed loop steppers directly from Masso. It ran around $2k for those pieces. And then I had another probably $600 in other parts including wires, power supplies, drag chain and things like that. So I kinda get why they may have said that. I was hoping that with their wholesale account with Masso and other places they might be able to price the upgrade option at a price that would make sense to upgrade an existing machine.
I unfortunately haven't put together a wiring diagram for this build. I just followed the documentation on the Masso site, and for the power I hooked up a pretty standard contactor circuit. Feel free to reach out if you have any specific questions.
Removing the 4 mounting bolts in the corners allows the original stepper motor to be removed. Then a coupling nut is needed that matches the shaft size of the new stepper motor, after that is installed, the new stepper can slid on and mounted with the 4 mounting mounting screws.
I would like to see some large roughing cuts and also some fine 3d carving cuts. That way we can see some of the speed, power, and accuracy. Awesome work and greatwalk-through! Also, what VFD are you using?
This is just what I was looking for. The Masso site has separate prices for the G3 Touch and the G3. So does that mean the G3 Touch doesn't include a G3 inside it as you showed?. If that is so, then the total cost at over $3500, is a bit steep for me. In any case, looking forward to more of your vids on this subject. Subbed here.
The G3 touch comes with the G3 controller inside of the touch screen enclosure 👍🏼 Thanks for the sub! I've got a lot of CNC stuff I'm thinking about making videos on.
Great overview. I'm interested to know what xyz probe you're using, especially after seeing so many dozens of the 1F model falling apart. If you're planning to share or sell your drop-on dust shoe, I'd also be really interested in that, as I'm also eyeing the PWNCNC v9 to go along with the spindle I ordered from them.
Here's the touch probe plate I'm using: amzn.to/3SNJZgL I modified it so instead of the alligator clip it has a magnet on the end. The dust she would need some tweaking before I felt like it was good enough to release. I'll try to find time to make those modifications and throw it up on thingiverse 👍🏼
Makes me want to kick my 1f woodworker out the door (NOT REALLY)I love my machine. Very nice build and working with PWNCNC is a great choice in my opinion too. I have his 1.5KW 68 mm and it in itself was a great upgrade for me especially with his amazing support.
Haha, don't worry, Onefinity said that they're working on an upgrade option for those with an original machine that wants the new controller and steppers 👍🏼
I haven't tried yet, but it's rigid enough that I think it should be able to. The speeds, feed, and depth will likely need to be dialed in and it won't be able to hog out material super quickly, but I think conservative cuts will work.
This is an excellent build! Very nice, very neat. I am in the middle of a build using "Joe's CNC" plans and the Masso. I am unsure of what to do about the limit switches - can you give a supplier and part number?
That's also a good option. I just liked the features Masso had and liked that it was a dedicated piece of hardware that didn't require a separate computer to run the controller.
@@42Pursuit Ok, but that is not a big deal when you can run in PI, Masso is a commercial product, I am not saying that all these companies might potentially use linuxcnc under the hood. ;-)
Probably be a good idea to call an electronics tech or electrician friend and have them do all the wiring, the cost of the tools that you would only use for an hour would cover the cost of the labor. Having a bolt together metal frame option or even Gasp! wood frame would also make the build more accessible to the people that hate the addition cost and hassle of welding (not everyone has a welding machine near by).
What strange things to take issue with. The cost of wiring tools is WAY cheaper than hiring someone to do the wiring. If buying a $250 welding setup and teaching yourself a new skill is a deal breaker for you, this video is very much not meant for you.
I’d relish the chance to fully understand my own machine, have the tools to build/troubleshoot it, and if you want to build a table out of wood - that’s cool. Welding is not that expensive/difficult (and is a great skill to boot), and for how he’s using this table the welded frame completely makes sense. This isn’t a budget build; this is a build for quality and long term use.
@@42Pursuit i've build a cnc myself, it's not very powerfull but it suits my needs, it's a fusion 360 file if you want to take a look at it drive.google.com/file/d/11FLNkT0_aItYcjzsd6rqY6XUdA1yXhuo/view?usp=drive_link
i think "elite" mean cnc have big can make anythink what need at cnc, thats mean table size has perfect 3 meter long Y axis and 2 meter wide X axis, then can use all size what normal need. spindle need be strong about 2,2KW or more, stepper motors minimum have 4-12Nm etc. can millig any material what want. and only idiot waste lot money 4000-6000$ onefinity etc, cnc machine because same and better cnc can build ewery normal men in garage lot lot cheapen and buy lot better drivers,motors,rails,spindle than ower expensive onefinity have.
So basically you're claiming that you can do bigger, better, faster, and stronger for less than $6k? Prove it, show some examples of what you're talking about.
@@42Pursuit excample, onefinity uses small nema 23 motors not lot torque, about 2Nm and my machine have 3-6Nm motors about 30-50$/motor. can cutting etc, metal, aluminium and motors not sure lose steps, drivers hav biggest can use biggest current motors, not lose steps, SBR rails have big strong , spindle have lot biggest not need many pass run all materials fast and deep milling, controller have cheap no waste money and all same have than expensive controller ,mean breakoutboard, 20$ software, linuxcnc have only true REAL TIME control, not windows etc non safety control, linuxcnc have lot more flexiple software can build own controll display and add lot lot more additional tools and programs etc, makros, hall programs etc, all what user want do build own display and control panels, important have rails can buy lot cheapen and have better, drivers can buy cheap but better big, controller board can buy cheap and better not need buy and change ALL drivers if one go broken lot cheapen and comfortable to user, motors can buy and select best for user what need use ,woodworking or metal working or others, spindle can buy lot better biggest safe silent water cooled how big user want, can add lot external tools and automation and makros and softwares than all ready expesive machine, etc, my machine have better all parts than 6000$ onefinity and cost to me only 1200$ if want update lot better strongest motors etc tools can make it cheap no waste money than idiot. safe lot money, hobby user have normal limited budget only idiot waste lot many thousand dollar stupid small basic machine if can build same easy in garage own hand lot better machine, and safe many thousand dollar money. who idiot waste 4000 or 6000$ small worst machine if can ewery normal men build lot better machine at home. less than 1000 or 2000$ this is safe lot money and have better machine. and user can make table working size what ewer want or need own hobby working, 1M x1M or 5M x5M table size what user own hobby need, hobby user not need waste lot money than pro factory waste money. my point have idiot waste lot money and smart men make own machine lot lot cheapen and can use all parts what own hobby need, not have small owerprice factory machine option only.
@@42Pursuit - I bought Onefinity Woodworker X-50 2 years ago and I want to convert it to Elite as well as you. I'm going to follow your path. )) Your video does not show at all how you installed the infrared sensors. Do you have a diagram of where you placed them? Question about Heavy Duty Z-Slider - does it shake when it moves? Are MASSO motors protected against water (coolant)? What motor will be installed on the 4th axle?
For just the CNC components, I spent around $1400 more upgrading a stock Journeyman than it would cost to purchase one of the new Elite Journeyman CNCs from Onefinity. There are some differences between this build and an Elite machine, but buying an Elite series machine is definitely the better way to go if you can stand the wait.
Thanks for the compliments on the v9 and the spindle.😉 ~ Clinton aka PwnCNC support ~
Fantastic job and video, very informative. It will be interesting to see where the OneFinity upgrade kit/path falls in line as compared to your upgrade. $1400 was not as bad as I thought it would be. Perhaps Onefinity will pass on some of the bullk purchase discounts from Masso, or not.
Would the same power supply the comes with the elite able to handle the bigger stepper motors. Could I just order the larger ones and swap them in?
@@LavinWoodworks I don't know but my guess would be no. The larger stepper motors would take significantly more power than the stock ones so I doubt that they would have sized the power supply to be able to handle much output.
@@42Pursuit this is the current power supply. I know nothing about this stuff. Would it be underpowered. And if so what one would work if you don’t mind me asking. Thank you for the help!
Enclosed Type 349.2W 36V 9.7A LRS-350-36 Meanwell AC-DC Single Output LRS-350 Series MEAN WELL Switching Power Supply
I love that he is so excited he is out of breath😂 Good chap! Unless he just needs to walk more lol. This is an excellent video btw!
I'm sure you'll hear / have heard this lots but you'll probably want to add some rubber or something to the holes drilled in the frame to route wires (2:10) so you don't end up with a short in a few years of wear and tear from vibrations through the table onto the sharp edge of the drilled hole and the wires.
That's a great tip! I'm actually in process of 3D printing out some guards to protect the wires from rubbing on those sharp edges 👍🏼
Meticulous build. well done! I have an Elite Journeyman coming one day soon, hopefully.
Thanks! Ah I feel your pain, but it's well worth the wait, you're going to love it!
Great build! Thanks for sharing
Hey Andy! Thanks man!
My interests are more aligned with DIY machines, but your video is so full of useful information and insight into thought processes that it is invaluable. 👍
Thanks so much! Liked & Subscribed.
Thanks so much John! Do you have a machine that you've built? If so I'd love to see what you've got! One of these days I want to design and build a machine from the ground up.
@@42Pursuit : Thanks for the interest... currently I am 75% through sprucing up a Myford Super 7 lathe and Rodney vertical mill attachment that my father bought when I was 5 years old... that was 71 years ago! In retirement, I have had time to play around with Arduinos, steppers, 3D printing etc. I've watched every video the "University of RUclips" has offered me on CNC routers and mills. I would like to tackle a 6040 type machine, ideally capable of aluminium, and small mild steel work. Since rigidity is paramount for these materials, I am considering trying a chassis from "engineered stone" kitchen bench offcuts. I have never seen anything constructed from this material... I hope I don't find out why it's a stupid idea! 🥴 Possibly a fixed gantry/moving bed, Chinese MGN15 linear rails and ball-screws.
I was fortunate to be allowed to strip a couple of large commercial copiers with collating units... I now have a satisfying selection of steppers, precision-ground shafts etc, including some NEMA 23's! 😁
I have no practical use for this machine other than the satisfaction, so the budget will be in control!
Should any of this become more than a pipe dream, I will certainly let you in on the secret!
Regards.
SUBBED. AMAZING BUILD. Thanks so much for taking the time to document and publish. keep up the great work!!!
Thanks Mark! Glad you liked the video!
Where did you get the brackets that hold the rail tube
The frame components were purchased as a set from Onefinity
Nice build. I don't have the space for 4x4 but am planning a 2x3 2.2kw build. Probably gonna stick with the Duet line of controllers, probably 3HC, which kinda destroys your startup time argument as my Duet2 from power on is ready to go from a laptop in about 3 seconds, but yes, you basically need another computer. They have a display output port running UART but I am no UI programmer and the display that Duet sells is like 6 or 7 inches diagonal.
I am curious what your planning for ATC, are you thinking there's any way you can keep the 2.2kw spindle and just get an ATC attachment, or go the $1500 minimum BT30 spindle upgrade route?
Might have to get one of these Masso controllers for one of my cnc's ... Got a Pokeys57CNC now on most because of the extremely useful programming options, poblocks and their CNC keyboard.
Awesome ground up build 👏
Very impressive. I can't wait to get my first CNC router setup. I've been getting into Laser cutting/engraving to start out and I LOVE this stuff- wish I'd gotten into this a long time ago. I chose a Laser as my first CNC type machine since I love the burned edge look, plus due to the lack of friction the cost of entry is a lot lower. I aim to build a CNC machine very similar to this with the hopeful profits I may make with the laser- we'll see how it goes though, life never goes to plan!
That is a beautiful build, thanks for the video.
I would love to replicate this,
One day. 😎
A tip: dust screen in front of the intake fan for the electronics. It will save you a lot of cleaning time. Planning on using something like swiffer dry mop pads to filter out that airborne wood.
Hey, that's a great tip! Thanks for sharing!
very good video, clearly presented and made understand where exactly I don't know stuff...
Thanks! All it takes is time and research and this kind of stuff will be old hat to ya!
Nice one, bro! I picked the number one Maker collab partner!
Thanks Joe! That's funny, I was thinking the same thing about you!
Great work! Waiting on OP to build an IronMan suit now .
Haha, it'll happen, just give me time 😎
hmmm like the round bar setup on this machine , gives me an idea for a different machine that needs to have a pretty stong y and z axis
There's pros and cons to round bars, but for this size and design they're pretty great!
thank you for the excellent coverage of your build - jealous does not describe me adequately. been wanting to convert to Masso for about a yr now before 1F did it, budget and my tech skills have me holding back
Give it a go! You got this!
Also, Onefinity has said they'll be offering an upgrade route later this year for those that want to upgrade the original machines to an Elite equivalent. Keep an eye out for that.
I have a Onefinity Elite Foreman. The motors that come on this are 1.2nM. My question is, since the Y-axis is driven by 2 separate motors does their force add linearly. Meaning is the force on the y-axis 1.2nM x 2 = 2.4nM? If that is the case then I think I would only upgrade the x and z axis with the 3nM motors.
Great video....for the first half, i was saying to myself..."ok, i can do this upgrade myself"....then you opened that electronics box and that quickly changed to, "Are you crazy, you're going to electrocute yourself kid"... Super excited to upgrade my X50 JM as soon as possible..
Hah, no electrocutions on this build! The higher voltage is isolate to a small-ish area so not really much to worry about 😄
great topic, thanks for sharing 👍
really nice, a work of art.
Thank you! I'm quite pleased with how it came out and it operates even better than I'd hoped!
Fantastic build. I am waiting for my journeyman elite. Will be building a table like Kings torsion box table. If I had the tools and capabilities to do steal I would love to do that. Maybe my next table build!
Thanks for sharing!
It's never too late to pick up a cheap mig welder and start practicing laying down some weld beads :)
Glad you enjoyed the video, and thanks for watching!
Great build overview Gavin! I would like to step my machine up to a spindle from the makita router and your video absolutely made it seem way less intimidating!
Thanks Ryan! A spindle is a game changer and the ones from PwnCNC are plug and play and super solid 👍🏼
You should have made it slightly larger than 48" to accommodate a tool rack for a future ATC upgrade.
How did you hook up your pendant estop? I’m planning on doing the elite upgrade and have pendant from Masso but here others that have hooked up pendant and estop does not work.
l liked your design and component aproaching to the main frame construction. looks awesome and realy rigid. Booomm.. Annd love to see this beast as working on a part . BTW great job .👏👏👏👏👏👏
EDIT : l tought that its was your DIY project when l saw yoıur video at the first time. But its o.k. it is worth applauses..
Ah, yes, I wish I had come up with the frame design myself, but rather than reinventing the wheel I decided to just go with a solid frame that was already available ☺
Outstanding video! I have a Journeyman now and have been waiting patiently for the Elite upgrade, but I just read they have pushed it from the 1st quarter to 2nd quarter, which means with lead times it could be the end of the year before I would receive it. I know you said you spent more money than one would by doing the upgrade, but you're gaining much more powerful steppers.
I think I am going to do as you have done and upgrade it myself.
One question, what stepper driver did you choose for your rotary axis? I don't see it listed in your bill of materials. Thanks again!
Thanks Scott! I'm not entirely sure if the 3Nm steppers are necessary since Onefinity elected to go with the much smaller 1.2Nm steppers, but in my mind, as long as the power supply for them is sized large enough, better to have the torque and not need it than to need the torque and not have it.
Good catch on the stepper driver, here's the one I used: amzn.to/3yNharl It's just a generic one that I've had good luck with on other projects.
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Thank you!
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One last question...
I'm really digging your wiring layout and wanted to replicate it. I'm reading as much info as I can so I'll understand what each component does so I don't fry the electronics and electrocute myself. 😁
The two contactors you're using for the 120v and 220v seem to be the same rating, 120 volts. Is that intentional or is the other contactor rated at 220v?
You only have the 120v listed in your BOM.
Thanks I'm advance! 🙂
@@scottbg1 Good question! I used this contactor for both. The coils are rated for 120v (the A1 and A2 connections), but the operational voltage (Ue) is rated for up to 250v with a max of 20 amps.
I set it up so the coils were energized from the 120v lines, but then switched the power for the 120v for one, and 240v for the other.
Clear as mud? 😄
Love seeing you use those power connectors. Typically they are only used in the AV world for lighting and audio.
For people that might want to source the power connector elsewhere, Its called a powercon connector. The blue is supposed to be power in and white is supposed to be power out. I would actually look for the neutrik tru1 connector instead as its better rated and has proper break when you turn the plug
Yup, both are good options. I believe the Amphenol connectors are rated for higher amperage, while the Neutrik connectors have a higher IP rating.
@@42Pursuit Neutrik is the original manufacturer of powercon. True 1 is higher IP rated over standard powercon. As for the power rating they are the same.
@@DustySeven7 hmm, I saw the true 1 spec at 16 or 20 amps. Those amphenol ones are rated for 25 amps.
I have built a few CNC Routers about ten years ago. Looks like the hardware available is getting much better, which is nice to see. Can someone tell me why people are excited about the ELITE machine? I do see what appears to be a novel approach: the use of these massive circular linear bearings for stiffness. My first question is: are they as heavy as they look?
For the price there's not many machines that can compete. It's quite rigid and with this new Masso controller it's incredibly capable and versatile.
Would love to know how this setup compares to say a $10K Avid or something similar. Does it cut almost as fast.. as clean? Or do you get a lot more for that $10K or so? New to all this so not sure what the major diff is. Also.. can you integrate a tool changer with this machine.. or is that not possible?
I haven't personally run an Avid but I'd say their 4x4 is pretty comparable to the Onefinity Foreman Elite. Avid is rack and pinion for x and y which will allow for faster moves, but I've been able to cut at 500 inches per minute on this machine very accurately so think that difference is negligible for most operations. Avid also has a taller gantry and can have a slightly larger spindle, but both of those factors don't affect the type of work most people will do on this size of machine.
As far as tool changers go, that's actually why I picked the Masso controller as it has built in ATC capability. I'm hoping to explore that option here in the near future and hopefully add an ATC spindle and tool rack onto this machine.
Have an plans on releasing plans for the table? I have a Elite Foreman on order and was looking doing something just like yours.
Hmm, I wasn't planning on it. What kind of info would you be looking for in a set of plans?
Damn this video blew up! nice one.
Right?! It picked up way more views than I was expecting.
Nice build!
Thanks!
Fine video
I have original onefinity woodworker. I really want that new controller but I don't want to buy a new machine. how can i get that controller on my machine?
Onefinity said that they're working on an upgrade path for the original machines for people that want to do just that 👍🏼
@@42Pursuit Granted it could have been a sales trying to upsell me but i dont think so but from what they (A support person from onefinity) said you have to upgrade the steppers and stuff needed. and you run into the cost of just getting a new machine. I did see the controller for i think 1300 around about. granted i love my onefinity Im just not busy enough for 2
@@st0mper121 Ah, yes, I get that. I ordered the controller along with the closed loop steppers directly from Masso. It ran around $2k for those pieces. And then I had another probably $600 in other parts including wires, power supplies, drag chain and things like that. So I kinda get why they may have said that. I was hoping that with their wholesale account with Masso and other places they might be able to price the upgrade option at a price that would make sense to upgrade an existing machine.
Cool, currently in the process of building my own cnc, mind linking the spindle? i was just going to use a makita trim router.
You bet! pwncnc.com/products/spindle The 2.2kw air cooled version is what I recommend.
@@42Pursuit tysm, will look into it!
Can u post a wiring diagram to learn from?
I unfortunately haven't put together a wiring diagram for this build. I just followed the documentation on the Masso site, and for the power I hooked up a pretty standard contactor circuit.
Feel free to reach out if you have any specific questions.
Do you have the STEP file for the dust shields you made? Looks like an interesting design. Thanks
If I can find the file I'll throw it up on thingiverse and let you know 👍🏼
Just uploaded: www.thingiverse.com/thing:5901038
How did you replace the stepper motor?
Removing the 4 mounting bolts in the corners allows the original stepper motor to be removed. Then a coupling nut is needed that matches the shaft size of the new stepper motor, after that is installed, the new stepper can slid on and mounted with the 4 mounting mounting screws.
Any chance you could post a video of it cutting? ty
What kind of bit and what cutting operation would you like to see?
I would like to see some large roughing cuts and also some fine 3d carving cuts. That way we can see some of the speed, power, and accuracy.
Awesome work and greatwalk-through!
Also, what VFD are you using?
What design software do you use? If Vcarve, does it have a post processor for the Masso?
Yup, VCarve with the Masso post processor. Super quick and easy to get up and going 👍
This is just what I was looking for. The Masso site has separate prices for the G3 Touch and the G3. So does that mean the G3 Touch doesn't include a G3 inside it as you showed?. If that is so, then the total cost at over $3500, is a bit steep for me. In any case, looking forward to more of your vids on this subject. Subbed here.
The G3 touch comes with the G3 controller inside of the touch screen enclosure 👍🏼
Thanks for the sub! I've got a lot of CNC stuff I'm thinking about making videos on.
How much did the controller and steppers cost you? What was the total to upgrade your machine? (Not including the spindle and VFD)
Controller and steppers ran around 2k, other electronics, wiring and misc added on another 500 or so. And the stand was around 600 all said and done.
Great overview. I'm interested to know what xyz probe you're using, especially after seeing so many dozens of the 1F model falling apart. If you're planning to share or sell your drop-on dust shoe, I'd also be really interested in that, as I'm also eyeing the PWNCNC v9 to go along with the spindle I ordered from them.
Here's the touch probe plate I'm using: amzn.to/3SNJZgL
I modified it so instead of the alligator clip it has a magnet on the end.
The dust she would need some tweaking before I felt like it was good enough to release. I'll try to find time to make those modifications and throw it up on thingiverse 👍🏼
@@42Pursuit I would definitely be interested in one or even the print file for sale.
Makes me want to kick my 1f woodworker out the door (NOT REALLY)I love my machine. Very nice build and working with PWNCNC is a great choice in my opinion too. I have his 1.5KW 68 mm and it in itself was a great upgrade for me especially with his amazing support.
Haha, don't worry, Onefinity said that they're working on an upgrade option for those with an original machine that wants the new controller and steppers 👍🏼
Do you happen to have the .stl file for the brackets to hold the cardboard?
Had a couple requests for it so just posted it: www.thingiverse.com/thing:5901038
@@42Pursuit Thank you
nice machine, can it cut steel ?
I haven't tried yet, but it's rigid enough that I think it should be able to. The speeds, feed, and depth will likely need to be dialed in and it won't be able to hog out material super quickly, but I think conservative cuts will work.
can you make a link so I can build one of all the parts plz :)
Links now added to the video description :)
@@42Pursuit tank you very much for takin the time to do that. now I can slowly build the same machine when I get money pice by pice
could you post a source list, parts list?
I unfortunately haven't put together a parts list for this build. If I have time I'll see if I can get that compiled and posted 👍
@@42Pursuit I completely understand. Sometimes the hardest part is to figure out where to get the parts. Especially parts that play well together.
@@toddcumberland132 other than the brackets for mounting the switches should be an easy upgrade. excellent job on your build.
I've added links to all the components in the video description :)
This is an excellent build! Very nice, very neat.
I am in the middle of a build using "Joe's CNC" plans and the Masso. I am unsure of what to do about the limit switches - can you give a supplier and part number?
I got SN04-N inductive proximity switches through Amazon: amzn.to/3SL9zTi
@@42Pursuit - Thanks!!! I appreciate it.
Why not LinuxCNC ?
That's also a good option. I just liked the features Masso had and liked that it was a dedicated piece of hardware that didn't require a separate computer to run the controller.
@@42Pursuit Ok, but that is not a big deal when you can run in PI, Masso is a commercial product, I am not saying that all these companies might potentially use linuxcnc under the hood. ;-)
Well, a demo would have been nice...
A demo of what exactly?
@@42Pursuit Chop, chop, slice, slice.
Probably be a good idea to call an electronics tech or electrician friend and have them do all the wiring, the cost of the tools that
you would only use for an hour would cover the cost of the labor. Having a bolt together metal frame option or even Gasp! wood frame
would also make the build more accessible to the people that hate the addition cost and hassle of welding (not everyone has a welding
machine near by).
What strange things to take issue with.
The cost of wiring tools is WAY cheaper than hiring someone to do the wiring.
If buying a $250 welding setup and teaching yourself a new skill is a deal breaker for you, this video is very much not meant for you.
I’d relish the chance to fully understand my own machine, have the tools to build/troubleshoot it, and if you want to build a table out of wood - that’s cool. Welding is not that expensive/difficult (and is a great skill to boot), and for how he’s using this table the welded frame completely makes sense. This isn’t a budget build; this is a build for quality and long term use.
that Z-axis is so stupid, you lose so much height. why is everyone doing that?
I'm curious what other z-axis design you prefer. Drop me a link, I'd love to check out an alternative.
@@42Pursuit i've build a cnc myself, it's not very powerfull but it suits my needs, it's a fusion 360 file if you want to take a look at it drive.google.com/file/d/11FLNkT0_aItYcjzsd6rqY6XUdA1yXhuo/view?usp=drive_link
i think "elite" mean cnc have big can make anythink what need at cnc, thats mean table size has perfect 3 meter long Y axis and 2 meter wide X axis, then can use all size what normal need. spindle need be strong about 2,2KW or more, stepper motors minimum have 4-12Nm etc. can millig any material what want. and only idiot waste lot money 4000-6000$ onefinity etc, cnc machine because same and better cnc can build ewery normal men in garage lot lot cheapen and buy lot better drivers,motors,rails,spindle than ower expensive onefinity have.
So basically you're claiming that you can do bigger, better, faster, and stronger for less than $6k? Prove it, show some examples of what you're talking about.
@@42Pursuit excample, onefinity uses small nema 23 motors not lot torque, about 2Nm and my machine have 3-6Nm motors about 30-50$/motor. can cutting etc, metal, aluminium and motors not sure lose steps, drivers hav biggest can use biggest current motors, not lose steps, SBR rails have big strong , spindle have lot biggest not need many pass run all materials fast and deep milling, controller have cheap no waste money and all same have than expensive controller ,mean breakoutboard, 20$ software, linuxcnc have only true REAL TIME control, not windows etc non safety control, linuxcnc have lot more flexiple software can build own controll display and add lot lot more additional tools and programs etc, makros, hall programs etc, all what user want do build own display and control panels, important have rails can buy lot cheapen and have better, drivers can buy cheap but better big, controller board can buy cheap and better not need buy and change ALL drivers if one go broken lot cheapen and comfortable to user, motors can buy and select best for user what need use ,woodworking or metal working or others, spindle can buy lot better biggest safe silent water cooled how big user want, can add lot external tools and automation and makros and softwares than all ready expesive machine, etc, my machine have better all parts than 6000$ onefinity and cost to me only 1200$ if want update lot better strongest motors etc tools can make it cheap no waste money than idiot. safe lot money, hobby user have normal limited budget only idiot waste lot many thousand dollar stupid small basic machine if can build same easy in garage own hand lot better machine, and safe many thousand dollar money. who idiot waste 4000 or 6000$ small worst machine if can ewery normal men build lot better machine at home. less than 1000 or 2000$ this is safe lot money and have better machine. and user can make table working size what ewer want or need own hobby working, 1M x1M or 5M x5M table size what user own hobby need, hobby user not need waste lot money than pro factory waste money. my point have idiot waste lot money and smart men make own machine lot lot cheapen and can use all parts what own hobby need, not have small owerprice factory machine option only.
There is nothing elite about that machine 😆
That's what Onefinity calls their equivalent models
Any plans for a massive linear dovetail sled?
Hmm, not sure what you mean. How would that work on this machine?
Whats your table/platten build look like?
All I've got is what's in the video. Was there something specific you were trying to look at?
Did you set Z-20 (Heavy Duty Z-Slider)?
I did. It's quite nice and definitely is faster on 3D carves.
@@42Pursuit - I bought Onefinity Woodworker X-50 2 years ago and I want to convert it to Elite as well as you. I'm going to follow your path. ))
Your video does not show at all how you installed the infrared sensors. Do you have a diagram of where you placed them?
Question about Heavy Duty Z-Slider - does it shake when it moves?
Are MASSO motors protected against water (coolant)?
What motor will be installed on the 4th axle?