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It still surprises me that some people don't realize your body needs more bricks to make a bigger house. Your body is going to grow more muscle from what...air?
@@soonaheroHe is low bodyweight for his height. If he was 30% BF, sure, but he would not look healthy if he cut from his starting point. If you want to get stronger, your body needs fuel to build muscle first, then he could do a well managed cut while training hard to reveal all his work. Year 1 is your Newbie Gains Phase, you can pack on a lot of muscle if you train hard and eat in a surplus.
@@soonahero your hormones are regulated by your body fat levels...if your are stage shredded your Testosterone levels are super low and you feel terrible. Healthy body fat for a man is 12-20 for most and for a woman is 20+...and most people who get shredded do it for a photo shoot or contest and don't walk around like that in the off-season.
GShred refugee here, all I found following his advices were stagnant lift, stagnant weight and a fear of eating in any surplus, your channel has and is doing a lot for my gym progress and mental health. Thank you
You found a good channel. You have to remember, Greg didn't follow his own advice when he bulked up. Look at old pictures of him. He never was fat by any means, but it was clear he was eating in a significant calorie surplus at his largest he was bloated and all look and that comes from the anabolics combined with a lot of food. He even admitted he was force feeding to the point of throwing up trying to hit 260lbs so he could get his bench even higher.
you mean improper maingaining. Its hilarious people try to do it below 15% bodyfat and then blame maingaining as a whole claiming it wont work for anyone. Ive been maingaining at 16-18% body fat for the past few months before i go into a normal cut then bulk. . I have added inches to my legs and arms which i have been targeting more then other body parts which many would say is impossible maingaining
@@JTfishing6130 Almost nobodies arms hold a substantial amount of fat around them, at least not enough to add inches to your arms. It’s extremely rare. Also, in his example, he is remaining at the same weight, so why would any of his gained arm size be fat? Are you suggesting he is losing pounds of muscle and replacing it with fat? For your case, I am not saying you are lying about where your fat deposits, but it could possibly be due to your diet. There is a difference between visceral fat and subcutaneous fat. If you’re storing all of your fat in your gut and chin, I’d suggest you take a look at your diet. The content of your diet (not the deficit/surplus) can determine whether your fat gain is subcutaneous or visceral. But if you’re eating clean I guess it really could be genetics.
Hey man it's me, the dude in the post. I didn't really make the post for advice, as I said I just thought the camparison between me and the other supposed 12-month transformations on there were funny. But I don't even listen to Greg Doucette. I don't even follow that subreddit, it just kept being recommended to me. All that "you need to see your abs, maingain" etc. are things I was never intentionally aiming for. I get it, I don't eat enough. It's hard to eat enough for me. Since you asked, I'm 5'10, went from 130lbs to 145lbs. No, it's not just the hair. I didn't expect this post to blow up so hard, it's been a rollercoaster of emotions lol. I don't really know what else to say though, feels like this video wasn't really about me but moreso to make me into an example to not trust certain people, even though I don't listen to those people either. Anyway. If anyone here is a fan of prog rock, listen to Dopapod. Not my band, just a fan lol. Their song Psycho Nature is a PERFECT gym song
I was 5’11 140 pounds and was weighing my food meticulously and refused to bulk thinking i was fat. I couldnt bench a plate but its been under 2 months and my bench went to 165 pounds.
Your videos on bulking have been a lifesaver for me. I was always trying to starve myself out of been skinny fat but would just look worse and worse every time I did a cut. I have now been bulking for 3 months and am looking and feeling so much better. Even though I have put on some fat my body is actually looking harder and more masculine.
Higher muscle density will make you look leaner. Always better to bulk up first and then cut. Too many guys obsessed with having a six pack but walking around with pipe cleaner arms lol.
What surprises me is that "eat big to get big" is now like a hidden knowledge. You see oldschool bodybuilders just lift heavy shit and eat a lot of things. Why have we drifted so far away from this concept to "eat a slight 2 kcal surplus and train hard to gain 1 lbs of muscle over 5 years, but it will be super healthy"
Your body can only utilize so much, so eating past a point of a 500 cal will just have you gaining a lot more. The idea that more is inherently better with protein consumption has been thoroughly tossed out.
Old school bodybuilder also abuse steroid, so their result might be a little skewed. And you forget that most people in bodybuilding don't necessarily want to get big, they want to be aesthetic.
“Force feeding to the point of nausea.” That’s key. People consistently either over or underestimate their daily caloric intake and don’t even know what they need per day just to be at homeostasis. Which is of course problematic from a gaining perspective.
As an obese person, this has not been an issue. I started training in december 2022 and have seen amazing progress, even if its not a full year yet. My strength is 2-3 times what it was (or even more on some exercises) and I can see muscles I didn't know I had. I was so surprised the first time I could see my traps in the mirror. All the while, I've been losing weight as well. In january I was 121kg (266lbs) and now I am 101kg (222lbs). Gaining muscle is completely different when you start out as obese. I like to joke that I've been "bulking" all my life, so I am ready for the ultimate "cut". I notice that a lot of fitness and especially bodybuilding content is focused on the "I'm too skinny"-crowd. I guess the big guys don't have the same problems? I never understood all these "mass gainer" supplements (scams, I assume?) as I definitely never needed MORE body mass.
I started fat, had to spend a lot of time cutting. I definitely would have made better progress early on if I had done the usual order of starting skinny and bulking for a couple years straight
i used to eat around that much and hardly gained any weight. actually took me a long time of eating like 4k calories to even look as if i was eating good lol. idk i think my metabolism is just too damn fast, even my tolerance to drugs is pretty shit..
I like u man. I’m still gonna stick to my “recomp for a long time” routine cuz I’m somehow still gaining great muscle 9mo into a recomp and I’m not even mentally fatigued, but I like how ur straight up and seem genuine. Subbed and lookin forward to ur stuff 🫡
Its different from person to person. I started being slightly on the overweight category and ive been gaining and progressing with no problem eating roughly at maintenance calories, with some days being on a surplus. I'm a woman btw so idk if that changes things..
Ive gained 20lbs in a year (150lbs -> 170lbs) at 6'2. Ive always been active (sports, martial arts) and had definition (abs) but never had a huge appetite. Once I joined the gym a year ago and saw your content I started eating and blew up & stayed lean to my surprise on a dirty diet (I never lost my abs). InBody Scan says I'm 7.4% body fat, hoping to gain another 10lbs in a year!
@@muadack3972 3400 calories a day, I'll give you my list. Food: -12oz cranberry juice -12oz orange juice -1 cup of pistachios -1 tblspoon of peanut butter -McDonalds Egg McMuffin, Hashbrown, Medium Dr Pepper -A large white square takeout container of sliced grilled chicken & white rice (7"x7"x3" container) & 20oz sprite -Chickfila Chicken Sandwich, large fries, large Hi-C ***WILDCARD: Snack size beef jerky before the gym if I feel hungry*** Daily Activities: -Wrestle (1 hour) -Desk Job (9 hours) -Gym (Bro Split/Hypertrophy - 1 hour) ***Changing to a Performance/Power split next week, reducing from 5 days -> 3 days*** *Hypertrophy = Bigger Muscles *Power = Teaching my bigger muscles to produce more power I may cycle between these after periods of months-years depending if I feel I need more size to produce more power
This is my journey rn. 2 months in started 157 currently 161lbs at 5’10. Im happy with the strength gains so far. I’m tryna hit 175 before end of spring. Then try to maintain that weight over the summer (not tryna be flabby for the beach). It’s hard asl eating enough cuz I never had a huge appetite. Main thing that’s helped me is eat three meals and then add in a PBJ, a bowl of cereal with granola, and some sort of smoothie. Usually I can’t force myself to add all three of those things on top of 3 meals but the end result is 3200-4000 calories in a day.
You DO need to bulk to put on any size. The reality is that the size and pace of the bulk depends on your training experience and degree of muscle mass you've built. Newbies need to bulk for 2-4 years with mini-cuts in between. However, where Doucette is right is telling trainees not to do a traditional bulk when they're already advanced. I recently did a huge bulk from 105kg (contest ready) to 120kg (20% bf, enhanced) and just got fat. I did gain some muscle and a bit of strength, but it was just from the weight gain itself. Now I'm back to 105kg shredded to the bone, my lifts are the same as they were before the bulk. I overdid it and should have lean bulked to ~108-109kg. The cut from 120kg was brutal and unnecessary to begin with. I even upped the dosage from my usual 300mg test per week to 575mg - still nothing. The law of diminishing returns very much applies so if you're bulking, be warned that you'll be lucky to gain even 2kg of actual muscle per year if you are a late intermediate or advanced lifter. A very slow bulk of 3-5kg over 9-12 months makes much more sense if you're still determined to do it.
Wouldn't Bulk work even better for advanced people? I mean, you're saying to not dirty bulk, but that's literally for everybody, not just for advanced people. Bulk will always work no matter in which stage you are, It's just that you gotta tweak some stuff but in the end, bulk is still needed especially as advanced. I mean, how can you build muscle otherwise? If you're advanced, maintaining ain't gonna work in any capacity, so you're still forced to bulk to an extent.
When i started, it was Athlean X. Got his program. Had arbitrary meal plan, but the worst was the constantly changing workouts and workout volume. He keeps you engage with uocoming weekly tests. He relies on your noobie gains to make you think you are making progress. I got stronger but remained the same BF% and weight for one 1.5 years.... The only long lasting good thing he did was making sure you performed movements super well, improving mobility, and general explosive power (the sporty kind).
Quarter reppin bench press, breathing out before squats, programming multiple sets of 10 with 80% of your 1rm… absolute nonsense. Nothing good to say about his programs.
My friend bought and sent me Greg’s cookbook and I tried it for a month on a pretty hefty cut a couple years ago, it was the worst I had ever felt mentally and physically. There was like zero fat and so many artificial ingredients in his recipes.
Im 66 years young ..been training for 46 years ...im still gaining muscle and strenth ...you CAN ! GAIN MUSCLE TILL THE DAY YOU DIE ! Not just the first two years ..
No, you can’t. Time is eventually going to halt, and then reverse things on you. That’s life. It doesn’t mean you’ll lose all your muscle or strength, but you’re not performing at 65 like you did at 35, unless you hit the sauce hard. You might still be because your training has been so bad for most of your life.
I remember getting so skinny because of Greg’s comment about abs. I also kept hearing “you don’t need to do ab workouts”. After ignoring all tha, I started eating slightly more and doing weighted sit ups. Gained 5 pounds and for the first time ever had a visible two pack for the first time. Eating in at least a minor caloric surplus is a must.
Natural Hypertrophy was truly right when he said that working your abs out consistently, and not even that massively, will get you them. Also, let's eat without a problem
It's super frustrating because I know I need to bulk and i've been going to the gym consistently. I just have absolutely no appetite. Shit sucks. I drink a protein shake and I'm satiated for the next 6 hours, so I just have to force feed constantly.
Same here. I've improved my base appetite but I basically still have to force feed myself. Stress makes it 5x worse, every spoon gives me a small urge to puke.
I'm very tall and was very skinny, i tried bulking up and got great results, went up about 35 pounds, but i got to a point where i couldnt just keep up with my diet, being that i'm very tall, i just got to a point where if i tried to bulk one day, i could'nt get past maintenance calories. i stayed there about 4 months without seing ANY progress, i did'nt gain muscle OR lose fat. When i got to bulk again after some time, i got visual gains in a month.
The thing that kills me about AthleanX, is that he is a doctor of physical therapy (which all physical therapists are) and he uses his vast knowledge of anatomy and physiology to make his training and diet philosophy so legitimate, when in actuality it’s totally out of his lane. It also speaks to the fetish so many people have for “science based training” but they’re still dyels in a size smedium shirts.
Essentially this. He’s very accurate when it comes to a lot, but he extends his channel and especially larger media presence (website/supplements) out to things that he’s not an expert of. It’s really upsetting, since he could be used as an amazing resource, but has problems that keep him away (unless you only focus on physiotherapy aspects)
He uses his immense knowledge of anatomy and psychology to give us weekly "top 5 bicep exercises you're not doing". SPOILER: all of them some wacky curls
Funny how 8 days after you made this video Greg made a video about the same guy saying he actually made decent progress and this is what most people should expect in their 1st year of training... while also promoting his brand as always😂
@@REVIVALFitness plyometric like cardio like actual jogging, running, sprinting, jumping, hopping can get you into excellent shape, especially if you’re very poor at running
He probably just ate 1 big meal which kept him full longer and thought he was eating a lot. Used to happen to me and now it's happening to my younger brother lol
I used to think it was unfair i was stocky and could gain weight easily. But after seeing hard gainers i feel lucky. But even though i dont have to eat as much as yoh i still eat alot and my coworkers dont understand how im relatively fit and eat as much as i do. While they eat pockets lol
Greg Doucette just released an egregious video on this guy, saying that he's made amazing progress in that one year of training and that he just has bad genetics...
Bulking all the way. I was stuck at 155 lbs at 6'2" for many years. In the past year and a half to 2 years I have went to 175 lbs. I feel and look so much better.
@nunyabeezwax6758 205 is a bit heavy for someone your height if you aren't lean. Especially if you're like me and pack on fat on the midsection more than anywhere else. I'm only speculating though. Have no idea what you eat, how often you lift and what you look like. Personally, I wouldn't care if some steroid junky says you don't look like you lift. A lot of those guys use lighting, pump and angles to look way better than they do in real life.
@nunyabeezwax6758 You ever get your hormones tested? Small family jewels indicates you might have low t if you didn't abuse steroids in the past. I don't care for cleana bulking either, but if you are stuffing your face with sugars and sweets, that fat is going straight to your problem areas. I don't eat "clean" by any means, but I do eat a lot of meat, dairy and fat. Keeps me from looking skinny fat. Sounds like you lift weights as much as I do. I add 2 days of mountain biking or bmx as well for cardio. Keeps the resting heart rate low and blood pressure lower as well. Helps bulk up the lower body to because I absolutely hate leg workouts with weights.
Currently on my best bulk yet at the moment. Started at 171 in late July, and currently weigh 186-188 lbs. Cannot emphasize the importance of bulking enough
@@vess928 agreed, people put on weight way too quickly, the science suggests that the quote "optimal" range would be somewhere between 100-250 calories
@@Requilith i fell for the bulking meme. Luckily now i only do 200 surplus lean bulks and i only need to cut 6 weeks a year to get shredded for summer. Its the way
The best way to track your progress as a natty is strength on your main compound lifts. If you aren’t getting stronger (especially as a beginner), you’re most likely not making any gains.
I say this all the time and guys always argue it. This is controversial now thanks to nerd “hypertrophy” culture taking over and guys thinking strength only means powerlifting and 1RMs.
@TheMuscularWeakling There are diminishing returns past a certain point. I didn't ever "blow up" at any point. It could just be shit genetics or a health issue, though.
I've gained 25 pounds in 4 months and I dont even do Hypertrophy training. It's not my first time working out. I've been on and off training over the years. I would call it equal to 8 months of consistent training if I never fell off. I wish I took better advantage of my genetics when I was younger. I will make sure my children do.
I think in this sort of situation, the best course is to be very complimentary of the kid's progress so far (he has made SOME progress and does look better), while encouraging him to work on his food and clean up some of his training. I think a "what went wrong" approach probably isn't helpful, even if clearly there were things that could have been done better.
I'm gonna start recomping in like ~8 months or so after I finish another cut. Difference is, I'll be recomping at like 20-22% BF and well into intermediate territory. I'm gonna try to do what NH did basically. Recomp for 2-3 years. I'm big but I have some obvious weak points, some low hanging fruit to work on, some easy gains to be made. And I need the bodyweight stability more than quick gains because I've been battling obesity for 5+ years now, and just this year I finally feel like I got the Upper hand on it and I finally have my weight under control for a prolonged period of time. Still officially obese and I'm around 28-30% Bodyfat, but much much better than when I was 300+lbs and legit out of breath walking up a flight of stairs, with a 50" waist. If you've never been above 25% Bodyfat in your life, and currently you're a Novice and under 20% Bodyfat, get this "maingaining" idea out of your head. You're gonna spin your wheels and make no gains.
I wouldn't do it like that tbh. It makes much more sense to first lose the weight and then bulk, if your BF is a little higher, you can even just do a 4 weeks long aggressive minicut. Those 4 weeks will give you more room for bulking. More nutrients will go to muscle vs fat, better insulin sensitivity, better health. Recomping only really makes sense for newbies, or when detrained and even then only works for like 1-2 months max With prolonged fasts you can even rewire your brain and make the mechano receptors in your stomach be more sensitive again, leading to being unable to eat as much as before. So either I would: 1) Recomp for a month and then go into deficit or bulk. 2) Cut for a month and then bulk.
@@soez_strg6166there's no such thing as "cut for a month" when you're coming off of obesity. When all is said and done, it will have taken me 2 years of successive cutting/maintenance phases in order to lose ~70lbs of Bodyweight and maintain that. Obesity is a whole different ball game. If you were never obese yourself, you'll never understand. The rate of long term weight regain is 95+%, so managing that is a very delicate issue, and not a process that can be rushed. I'm doing the only protocol that works in terms of truly beating obesity and putting it behind me forever. Idc if it means slower gains. In the last 16 months, I've lost 37lbs and 10" off my waist. I've also managed to gain some muscle in the meantime as well, as an intermediate.
the only way a "recomp" will ever work is for a Newbie AND said newbie needs to be obese and the "gains" will not be real "gains" but rather the body retaining some of the mass as muscle while doing resistance training on a caloric deficit. I know, I'm living through it now
@@REVIVALFitness yeah I'm currently doing a cut by counting calories and doing resistance training, doing a 500 deficit/day and checking maccros. not hacky diet like Keto or whatever and doing upper/lower body splits with 30mins cardio about 4-5 days a week. down 75lbs from last year and have better definition (started at 5'11 280lbs 34yo M)
I'm one of those big appetite guys - bulking is pretty easy for me but so is cutting - I dont get that hungry that often, but when I eat, I have a huge portion. I intermittent fast without even trying - I just don't usually get hungry before the afternoon
I was at VTech in early 10's a mid power 5 school at best. PED's was rampant there and how to beat it was taught from the top down. What they don't tell you is how that shit makes your bones, ligaments, tendons weak and brittle. I learned the hard way. When in reality I never needed to take it in the first place. I took it to get leaner (in return you will be quicker and have more stamina) and keep my strength
Although they can lessen the strength of tendons and ligaments, it’s a very small amount. Where the real problem is, is that PEDs increase your muscle volume and strength so fast that your tendons aren’t able to catch up and then they start tearing.
I refuse to believe that pic is real. I've been training for 3 months with no bulking and noodle arms and still got significantly more muscle mass than him. He probably doesn't even train correctly aside from not eating enough.
@@REVIVALFitnessi read the threat and he said quote: Squat went from not being able to do 95lbs for three sets of 5 to 150lbs for three sets of 5. Overhead press went from just the bar for a single set of 5 to 75lbs for three sets of 5. Incline dumbbell press, started with 25s. I had it at three sets 7 reps with 45s at one point, and for no clear reason, despite gaining weight between weeks (before my diet gets blamed) and other lifts getting stronger, my strength in that lift dropped. I just got it back to three sets, 6 reps with 45s, though. Went from being able to do one set of 5 pullups at 130lbs, to multiple sets of 7 at 145lbs. With way better form, higher range of motion, bar to chest now etc. I've tried multiple different lat exercises, I don't really know what works best. Idk how interesting my other lifts are. Went from 5lbs for 10 reps to 17.5lbs 11 reps lateral raise in each arm, like 55lbs to 100lbs laying leg curl, 10 reps lmao."
Started the gym this year consuming Your content from basic trainng schedule and diet. Currently at 178lbs and was at 154lbs when i started around may. The crabby patty formula: Dont train for more than 6 days Dont work on your upper back all the time Eat a whole lotta whole foods and a little quick calorie snacks Dont over train Absolutly kill your legs ( it will help with upper body strength as well) Rest!!! And WATCH MORE REVIVAL FITNESS. Thank me later
Bro, I believe you’re very smart and am mostly on board with everything you (including this video, I won’t challenge it, 120 lb newbies shouldn’t cut) But I also have some ideas, approaches and results that kinda clash with yours in some aspects, I’d like to discuss them and have respectful disagreements or maybe even reach agreements but have a feeling I’ll get ignored, like previous comments I’ve posted in your videos I don’t intend to “AHA gotcha!” Or “own you” in any way or be a smart ass, I legitimately would like to know your opinion in some methods I’ve used that kinda challenge your ideas
Finally found someone who understands not having a huge appetite. Im use to being homeless so all the pigging i used to do as a child and teen has long been worn out
I find that going vegetarian (so no meat and fish, but allow eggs and dairy) is a good strategy to gain weight. Mainly because almost all vegetarian protein products/food contain a lot of carbohydrates or fats, so if you want to hit your protein goal you automaticly also hit your carb goal. Chick peas, milk, cottage cheese, eggs, peanut butter, spinach, brocoli, tofu, soy, oatmeal. I think it's an interesting way to gain weight if you want, but it might not be optimal. For example: cutting on a vegetarian diet is quite hard, because you want to lower your carb intake but most of your proteins are attached to your carbs so you can't maintain a high protein diet without having mildly high carbs. For bulking, it absolutely works. It does have some ethical benifites tho... so might be something to consider if people want to try it out to gain weight.
If ppl find it hard to consume calories, putting them on chick peas, cottage and broccoli is not the way. I appreciate that's a subsetof the items you mention, but tbh a real hardgainer should probably avoid some of those items.
I was vegetarian for a bit a few years ago. Easy to gain weight on for sure if you’re doing full fat dairy. It’s miles better than veganism since you can get all the nutrients from said dairy. Like you mentioned, cutting on it is rough though. I don’t believe it’s ethically better than eating meat though.
@@REVIVALFitness I mean, I suppose it does depend on how the milk is obtained, but at the end of the day, taking milk or underutilized eggs is clearly better than killing the animal, no?
Protein that isn't from animal products is not the same and the carbs still break down into sugar in the body, animal fat is a more efficient fuel source that is less likely to make you put on as much excess body fat compared to anything that turns into sugar as a fuel source.
I see this all the time in my gym, skinny teenagers stacking plates then struggling through a set. The only plate stacking they need to do is the plates in their kitchen. Progressive overload for them should involve heavier forks. Chicken, potatoes, veggies, butter. Beef, potatoes, veggies, butter. The butter on the potatoes and veggies is free calories. And it's a solid ratio of protein, carbs, fat.
For a natural ectomorph, force feeding simply results in sending it out the back door. At least that was what I faced. I really didnt start to get thick until my metabolism slowed down a bit.
I wish people would get main gaining out of their head. Before I went to the gym I was 133, and I was even considering cutting weight. I have been on a 6 month bulk and I have gained close to 17lbs of muscle in 6 months. I was so suprised. It never would have been possible if I didnt trust the bulk.
I felt like I made bad noob gains, but then I found out people like this exist. I honestly feel bad for just how badly they have been misled. But I was an athlete in high school, so I knew how to train and ate like a beast
Learning proper lifting and bulking in high school is a massive advantage. Puts you far ahead of peers who got their info from typical dumb trainers and influencers.
Go to any high school sports coaches or old bodybuilders, and they will tell you to eat. Base needs to be built before anything else and it has been this way for decades. Only in the social media culture did this change.
I lifted 5 years straight, 6 days a week in state prison and only got to a solid 170, I have the same body type as this kid,any sort of muscle was brutally hard to gain. My body won’t store fat no matter how much I eat, I never passed 170 till I started anabolics 10 years after that, that took me to 190 and I have maintained that for years on Trt. Some people people just don’t grow,genetics are a gift and not everyone has good ones. I still can’t gain any sort of fat and I’m 45 years old, everyone always said wait till you get older ,you will get fat and tired it’s part of life. I was never lucky enough to have either happen to me
when I first started the gym i was 6ft 150lb skinny deer bone wrist and all. I went to the gym with my friends and followed their routine and quickly realized they probably don't know wtf their doing. I went online to find help and found a ton of lifting advice, looking back at it most of it redundant, but I found Greg and I found Athleen X, they were good to learn the basics of lifting but eventually I realized I'm not getting stronger. so, I kept searching and I don't remember who told me to gain weight it was some random guy's video 4 years ago, but i gained 30lb in like 4 months... kinda fast i wasn't counting calories or nothing I went from a 65lb bench x8 to a 155lb bench for 6, I then "maingained" for like 6 months and got like 1 rep stronger in that time frame, I then quit the gym. i came back to the gym 6 months ago and im now able to do 155lb for 10 reps, and now i found you. I was 220lb now im 195lb its been 2 months of cutting and going to go down to 180 or 170lb before i bulk. I have lost 0 strength while cutting so far and im very hopeful for the bulk, thank you in advance Revival Fitness.
He made gains I was able to do in 12weeks when I started exercising home lol. But then I ended up in the same loop - get big but have abs bs aka get buff on a deficit bs... yayks.
@@SheepHairOG nah man you gotta start making your own meals that fit your goals. I make the same meals everyday which all have lots of protein, calories, healthy fats. I'd also recommend making shakes by blending peanuts, oats, milk, etc. I'm happy you made it here, keep watching this guy and you'll definitely get big. You just have to be willing to listen and apply what you're being told. I've been lifting for 9 months, 5'9", 190lbs, 315x3, 215x1, 330x5
@@SheepHairOG You're not getting enough calories from her cooking. Otherwise you'd be moving the scale upwards. If you have a job, you should buy some mass gainer (don't get the amino acid spiked shit. On the ingredients list if you see shit like l-leucine, l-lysine, amino acid matrix, etc. then you know it's amino acid spiked.). Or maybe your own home made mass gainer with whey protein powder, granulated sugar, cocoa powder/vanilla extract, whole milk, peanut butter/olive oil/coconut oil. A lot of people say to use oats instead of sugar. But I personally find oats to be very filling compared to sugar. And oats tastes very bland to me anyways. The only oatmeal I like is the sugary maple & brown sugar shit or cookies n crème.
@@pinchpeak5203 I do make my own food, sometimes. I'm not out here sitting in my basement yelling at my mom to bring me more hotpockets. I make food sometimes, she makes food sometimes. I eat what I can without vomiting, cause honestly if I have to eat so much I would feel sick in order to satisfy every asshole who tells me I've made no progress, I would rather not.
@@SheepHairOG okay so definitely your shitty mindset is going to keep holding you back. We're apparently assholes for telling you how it is and what you need to do about it. You'll start making progress when you decide to open your ears and drop the "woe is me" act. If you're not willing to take advice that's fine, but don't pretend like it's reasons beyond your control that are keeping you skinny.
17:17 worddd bro literally shaved and so therefore his jawline's gotten better😂😭😭Nahhh thoo this maingainer lie needs to stop frfr Love for this vid brother and exactly; all those influencers of course they'll respond to the question that they're natty why'd people think they'd actually admit😂
It’s unreal man. The NoFap guys do that all the time. Take an “after” photo with much better lighting, trimmed up facial hair, and smiling, and guys comment on how he’s glowing now. Lol.
I mentioned it in the thread, my jawline actually did get better. I used to grow a beard partially because I thought it looked better than not, since I had no jawline.
A lot of guys seem to have their appetites explode in hs. That was me. When i decided to bulk I first went from 136 to 150, then stopped, and then at 18 went from 165-170 to 200.
For sure, started lifting at 16, 18 now. Went from 125lbs at 5'9 to 160ish at 5'11 super quickly. Pushing my appetite to get past that has been a bit tricky. Sitting around 170 now. I have never force fed, just fucking exploded my appetite outta nowhere
@hamzahimran4708 bro it's real hard at first for sure. I found that milk was good. I remember i used to get to my total by just pouring out a giant glass of milk in a measuring cup. Had like half a litre at a time sometimes. You can try something else... but the point is, you got this
i appreciate youre trying to teach and arent really afraid of being tough abt it, ie saying this guy probably thinks 1 cup is 3 cups like hes an idiot. which is respectable, it feels bad but is necessary, ill probably pick up your channel here and there when i get back into the gym. :edit, alright that iq flex at the end bro what XD, i hope he reaches out to you fosho tho.
I had a trainer for a while and knew how to train I just couldn't get myself to eat enough, my strength improved but visible changes were minimal. The hardest part of lifting for me honestly is just cramming in those calories, and I bet a lot of people have been in a similar situation.
I'm commenting before I watch here. But I do think he made some progress. He didn't make much, like at all, but he does have some bigger shoulders, and biceps. His skin also looks clearer, and he looks overall more healthy than the before photo. But on the bright side he can bulk from here, and has probably learnt some about training in that first year.
For some people in this spot it can be more, i was a lot like this guy, but i ate so much that I gained 20 lbs of fat, but barely any muscle. In the end it turns out ive got weird hormone issues, tests show my testosterone is sky high but my body just cant process it right or something
RF the only thing you miss out on mentioning about Athlean X and Greg D, is eventually after 2-3 hard years and no progress, the followers just result to “oh I just don’t have good genetics that’s why”. I’ve done it too and I’m sure you have. Also I feel like Reddit is hipster Twitter
@@REVIVALFitness I watched it when it came out. Great video. Since I found you in 2020, I got up to 200 pounds and my best shape. I was in the discord for awhile.
I started working out in January this year. I was making decent progress up until summer when I got a summer job. The job involved walking all day so after I came home I was too tired to work out and I didn't eat or sleep enough, I managed to work out once a week, lol, shit just wasn't enough. I kid you not I lost 80 % of my strength/progress when I got back to working out last month..For example, before summer I could do 90 sit ups as a warm up, but a month ago my body gave up after 20. I'm slowly getting my strength back tho
I almost gave up because I had to literally force feed myself to bulk and it was in alot of ways harder than the actual work I was doing in the weight room coming from a skinny starting point. It's a real thing
@REVIVALFitness I had to resort to the dirty route with McDonald's crispy chickens and unhealthy burgers knowing I'd have to clean up the diet eventually. Honestly I don't think I could have done it without going that way personally
@@REVIVALFitness Yeah I find it very hard to eat "clean" just at maintenance with my low appetite. Sugar makes it easy. I have been using hot chocolate powder as of late to get my carbs in. And French vanilla cappuccino powder as my pre (sugar + caffeine). At this point I might as well just buy bags of granulated sugar (super cheap) and some cocoa powder and vanilla extract and make my own home made mass gainer. Table sugar is probably healthier for you than maltodextrin. I know about peanut butter and olive/coconut oil. But carbs are the body's preferred source for glucose. I only eat restaurant food like once every two weeks because its expensive. When I ordered a Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese, Medium Fries and Medium Drink at McDonald's it came out to $16.03 CAD after tax! Inflation is out of control Post-COVID
Almost 99% of the time = Not eating in surpluss (bulking) and not focusing on progressive overloading over a long period of time(building strenght and muscle). 😊😊
There was a good study recently that showed that the only thing bulking does is lower your sprint time and jump height. As long as you eat enough food, you don't have to bulk, but if you bulk, you definitely won't be undereating. I guess it depends on how much attention you want to pay to it. Overeating requires less thinking than eating the exact right amount. I think they called non-bulk a 300 calorie surplus, and a bulk >600 calorie surplus a day.
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you selling sarms now?
It still surprises me that some people don't realize your body needs more bricks to make a bigger house. Your body is going to grow more muscle from what...air?
true
Technically if your lungs could process air properly then yeah all the atoms for protein are in the air
@@soonaheroHe is low bodyweight for his height. If he was 30% BF, sure, but he would not look healthy if he cut from his starting point. If you want to get stronger, your body needs fuel to build muscle first, then he could do a well managed cut while training hard to reveal all his work. Year 1 is your Newbie Gains Phase, you can pack on a lot of muscle if you train hard and eat in a surplus.
@@soonahero your hormones are regulated by your body fat levels...if your are stage shredded your Testosterone levels are super low and you feel terrible. Healthy body fat for a man is 12-20 for most and for a woman is 20+...and most people who get shredded do it for a photo shoot or contest and don't walk around like that in the off-season.
Just maingain your way to 200lbs Brahh!
GShred refugee here, all I found following his advices were stagnant lift, stagnant weight and a fear of eating in any surplus, your channel has and is doing a lot for my gym progress and mental health. Thank you
Same i feel you brother😞✊️
I have never seen a gshred refugee before. Glad to see you here.
This channel is a G Shred refugee sanctuary city
You found a good channel. You have to remember, Greg didn't follow his own advice when he bulked up. Look at old pictures of him. He never was fat by any means, but it was clear he was eating in a significant calorie surplus at his largest he was bloated and all look and that comes from the anabolics combined with a lot of food. He even admitted he was force feeding to the point of throwing up trying to hit 260lbs so he could get his bench even higher.
Opposite for me here ive found nothing but rewarding progress
Lets all take a moment of slience for all the gains that have never been achieved due to maingaining.
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you mean improper maingaining. Its hilarious people try to do it below 15% bodyfat and then blame maingaining as a whole claiming it wont work for anyone. Ive been maingaining at 16-18% body fat for the past few months before i go into a normal cut then bulk. . I have added inches to my legs and arms which i have been targeting more then other body parts which many would say is impossible maingaining
Maingaining is so stupid made up by Greg. There's already body recomposition or lean bulk why add another stupid made up thing?
@@Waywardbiscuityou’ve added inches to your arms in just a few months while remaining/losing weight? Nice try buddy.
@@JTfishing6130 Almost nobodies arms hold a substantial amount of fat around them, at least not enough to add inches to your arms. It’s extremely rare.
Also, in his example, he is remaining at the same weight, so why would any of his gained arm size be fat? Are you suggesting he is losing pounds of muscle and replacing it with fat?
For your case, I am not saying you are lying about where your fat deposits, but it could possibly be due to your diet. There is a difference between visceral fat and subcutaneous fat. If you’re storing all of your fat in your gut and chin, I’d suggest you take a look at your diet. The content of your diet (not the deficit/surplus) can determine whether your fat gain is subcutaneous or visceral. But if you’re eating clean I guess it really could be genetics.
Honestly that's very good progress for someone who took all of Greg's advice, one could even say he's the world's biggest Greg Doucette fan.
Dismantling MainGaining HARDER than last time
It’s been a while
Hey man it's me, the dude in the post. I didn't really make the post for advice, as I said I just thought the camparison between me and the other supposed 12-month transformations on there were funny. But I don't even listen to Greg Doucette. I don't even follow that subreddit, it just kept being recommended to me. All that "you need to see your abs, maingain" etc. are things I was never intentionally aiming for.
I get it, I don't eat enough. It's hard to eat enough for me. Since you asked, I'm 5'10, went from 130lbs to 145lbs. No, it's not just the hair. I didn't expect this post to blow up so hard, it's been a rollercoaster of emotions lol. I don't really know what else to say though, feels like this video wasn't really about me but moreso to make me into an example to not trust certain people, even though I don't listen to those people either.
Anyway. If anyone here is a fan of prog rock, listen to Dopapod. Not my band, just a fan lol. Their song Psycho Nature is a PERFECT gym song
I'm curious now so do you want to put on size/muscle or is that not really your focus?
How's it going now?
update us
I dont get it, def did change
So what is your goal then? Just kinda working out and see what happens?
Currently on the Sam sulek 7 days a week training and Krispy cremes diet.. oh don't forget the cinnamon toast crunch
Is your toilet ok?
@@REVIVALFitnessmate we shit on the floor round here
I was 5’11 140 pounds and was weighing my food meticulously and refused to bulk thinking i was fat. I couldnt bench a plate but its been under 2 months and my bench went to 165 pounds.
Nice 💪🏼
Your videos on bulking have been a lifesaver for me. I was always trying to starve myself out of been skinny fat but would just look worse and worse every time I did a cut. I have now been bulking for 3 months and am looking and feeling so much better. Even though I have put on some fat my body is actually looking harder and more masculine.
The skinny fat cutting saga… good times.
@rabbigoldbergsilverstein2899 hehehehehehe. What's popping bro.
@rabbigoldbergsilverstein2899Average
Superior Skull enjoyer
Higher muscle density will make you look leaner. Always better to bulk up first and then cut. Too many guys obsessed with having a six pack but walking around with pipe cleaner arms lol.
What surprises me is that "eat big to get big" is now like a hidden knowledge. You see oldschool bodybuilders just lift heavy shit and eat a lot of things. Why have we drifted so far away from this concept to "eat a slight 2 kcal surplus and train hard to gain 1 lbs of muscle over 5 years, but it will be super healthy"
Social media marketing. Prolonged bulking phases don’t sell or get attention. You gotta have abs all the time.
Your body can only utilize so much, so eating past a point of a 500 cal will just have you gaining a lot more. The idea that more is inherently better with protein consumption has been thoroughly tossed out.
Old school bodybuilder also abuse steroid, so their result might be a little skewed. And you forget that most people in bodybuilding don't necessarily want to get big, they want to be aesthetic.
it’s because he didn’t BUY THE FREAKING COOKBOOK!!
Are we on version 3 now or what?
DAMMIT I should have bought THE FREAKING COOKBOOK
@@REVIVALFitness The search for money is real
“Force feeding to the point of nausea.” That’s key. People consistently either over or underestimate their daily caloric intake and don’t even know what they need per day just to be at homeostasis. Which is of course problematic from a gaining perspective.
Yeah. I think it’s simply eating more foods that contain more dense foods. When I bulked, I always did peanut butter and jelly. That helps out a lot.
As an obese person, this has not been an issue. I started training in december 2022 and have seen amazing progress, even if its not a full year yet. My strength is 2-3 times what it was (or even more on some exercises) and I can see muscles I didn't know I had. I was so surprised the first time I could see my traps in the mirror.
All the while, I've been losing weight as well. In january I was 121kg (266lbs) and now I am 101kg (222lbs).
Gaining muscle is completely different when you start out as obese. I like to joke that I've been "bulking" all my life, so I am ready for the ultimate "cut".
I notice that a lot of fitness and especially bodybuilding content is focused on the "I'm too skinny"-crowd. I guess the big guys don't have the same problems? I never understood all these "mass gainer" supplements (scams, I assume?) as I definitely never needed MORE body mass.
I started fat, had to spend a lot of time cutting. I definitely would have made better progress early on if I had done the usual order of starting skinny and bulking for a couple years straight
@@user-en5vj6vr2u100% agree.
I find that supplement with protein powder couple times a day keeps my appetite in check
Dude if I ate 5000 calories a day I would be a meatball
Many such cases
i would be obese and die of diabetes
I'm late, but you'd be Dwayne Johnson.
i used to eat around that much and hardly gained any weight. actually took me a long time of eating like 4k calories to even look as if i was eating good lol. idk i think my metabolism is just too damn fast, even my tolerance to drugs is pretty shit..
@@julius7949 damn bro
I like u man. I’m still gonna stick to my “recomp for a long time” routine cuz I’m somehow still gaining great muscle 9mo into a recomp and I’m not even mentally fatigued, but I like how ur straight up and seem genuine. Subbed and lookin forward to ur stuff 🫡
Its different from person to person. I started being slightly on the overweight category and ive been gaining and progressing with no problem eating roughly at maintenance calories, with some days being on a surplus. I'm a woman btw so idk if that changes things..
I've been doing Starting Strength plus following your advice and it works for me. Keep exposing the bullshit that's out there.
Ive gained 20lbs in a year (150lbs -> 170lbs) at 6'2. Ive always been active (sports, martial arts) and had definition (abs) but never had a huge appetite. Once I joined the gym a year ago and saw your content I started eating and blew up & stayed lean to my surprise on a dirty diet (I never lost my abs). InBody Scan says I'm 7.4% body fat, hoping to gain another 10lbs in a year!
Do you have an idea of how many calories your eating everyday?
@@muadack3972 3400 calories a day, I'll give you my list.
Food:
-12oz cranberry juice
-12oz orange juice
-1 cup of pistachios
-1 tblspoon of peanut butter
-McDonalds Egg McMuffin, Hashbrown, Medium Dr Pepper
-A large white square takeout container of sliced grilled chicken & white rice (7"x7"x3" container) & 20oz sprite
-Chickfila Chicken Sandwich, large fries, large Hi-C
***WILDCARD: Snack size beef jerky before the gym if I feel hungry***
Daily Activities:
-Wrestle (1 hour)
-Desk Job (9 hours)
-Gym (Bro Split/Hypertrophy - 1 hour)
***Changing to a Performance/Power split next week, reducing from 5 days -> 3 days***
*Hypertrophy = Bigger Muscles
*Power = Teaching my bigger muscles to produce more power
I may cycle between these after periods of months-years depending if I feel I need more size to produce more power
This is my journey rn. 2 months in started 157 currently 161lbs at 5’10. Im happy with the strength gains so far. I’m tryna hit 175 before end of spring. Then try to maintain that weight over the summer (not tryna be flabby for the beach). It’s hard asl eating enough cuz I never had a huge appetite. Main thing that’s helped me is eat three meals and then add in a PBJ, a bowl of cereal with granola, and some sort of smoothie. Usually I can’t force myself to add all three of those things on top of 3 meals but the end result is 3200-4000 calories in a day.
When I go back to the gym and even to an extent before I have to do some serious cutting
So you were like 3% bodyfat when you were 150. Sure bud.
You DO need to bulk to put on any size. The reality is that the size and pace of the bulk depends on your training experience and degree of muscle mass you've built. Newbies need to bulk for 2-4 years with mini-cuts in between. However, where Doucette is right is telling trainees not to do a traditional bulk when they're already advanced. I recently did a huge bulk from 105kg (contest ready) to 120kg (20% bf, enhanced) and just got fat. I did gain some muscle and a bit of strength, but it was just from the weight gain itself. Now I'm back to 105kg shredded to the bone, my lifts are the same as they were before the bulk. I overdid it and should have lean bulked to ~108-109kg. The cut from 120kg was brutal and unnecessary to begin with. I even upped the dosage from my usual 300mg test per week to 575mg - still nothing. The law of diminishing returns very much applies so if you're bulking, be warned that you'll be lucky to gain even 2kg of actual muscle per year if you are a late intermediate or advanced lifter. A very slow bulk of 3-5kg over 9-12 months makes much more sense if you're still determined to do it.
Doucette fanboy spotted
@@sigmanocopyrightmusic8737ah yes the dirt bulk fallacy. You didn't bulk, you just stuffed your face. Good job wasting your time.
You can bulk and still look lean if you bulk on healthy foods instead of McDonald’s and pizza.
Wouldn't Bulk work even better for advanced people? I mean, you're saying to not dirty bulk, but that's literally for everybody, not just for advanced people.
Bulk will always work no matter in which stage you are, It's just that you gotta tweak some stuff but in the end, bulk is still needed especially as advanced. I mean, how can you build muscle otherwise? If you're advanced, maintaining ain't gonna work in any capacity, so you're still forced to bulk to an extent.
you know Greg did a video on this and said he made "great progress!!!" 😂😂😂
In reference to his average audience… he’s probably right.
When i started, it was Athlean X. Got his program. Had arbitrary meal plan, but the worst was the constantly changing workouts and workout volume. He keeps you engage with uocoming weekly tests. He relies on your noobie gains to make you think you are making progress. I got stronger but remained the same BF% and weight for one 1.5 years....
The only long lasting good thing he did was making sure you performed movements super well, improving mobility, and general explosive power (the sporty kind).
Quarter reppin bench press, breathing out before squats, programming multiple sets of 10 with 80% of your 1rm… absolute nonsense. Nothing good to say about his programs.
My friend bought and sent me Greg’s cookbook and I tried it for a month on a pretty hefty cut a couple years ago, it was the worst I had ever felt mentally and physically. There was like zero fat and so many artificial ingredients in his recipes.
Yea because he doesn’t need any fat to regulate his hormones since he just injects them from external sources
As I’ve called it before, lipstick on a pig. It’s glorified junk food for sugar addicts, which is the majority of the population.
Im 66 years young ..been training for 46 years ...im still gaining muscle and strenth ...you CAN ! GAIN MUSCLE TILL THE DAY YOU DIE ! Not just the first two years ..
No, you can’t. Time is eventually going to halt, and then reverse things on you. That’s life. It doesn’t mean you’ll lose all your muscle or strength, but you’re not performing at 65 like you did at 35, unless you hit the sauce hard. You might still be because your training has been so bad for most of your life.
RP and this channel is litteraly the only fitness content I need
I remember getting so skinny because of Greg’s comment about abs. I also kept hearing “you don’t need to do ab workouts”. After ignoring all tha, I started eating slightly more and doing weighted sit ups. Gained 5 pounds and for the first time ever had a visible two pack for the first time. Eating in at least a minor caloric surplus is a must.
Same...I still have a picture of my face from my Gregg following days. I look at it now and then to remind myself to never listen to him again
Natural Hypertrophy was truly right when he said that working your abs out consistently, and not even that massively, will get you them.
Also, let's eat without a problem
It's super frustrating because I know I need to bulk and i've been going to the gym consistently. I just have absolutely no appetite. Shit sucks. I drink a protein shake and I'm satiated for the next 6 hours, so I just have to force feed constantly.
Same here. I've improved my base appetite but I basically still have to force feed myself. Stress makes it 5x worse, every spoon gives me a small urge to puke.
This is why maingaining is the equivalent to a small steroid cycle and helped me build functional muscle
And that’s why Leon Edwards failed his drug test
thanks for telling it straight and not bullshitting people. subscribed
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I'm very tall and was very skinny, i tried bulking up and got great results, went up about 35 pounds, but i got to a point where i couldnt just keep up with my diet, being that i'm very tall, i just got to a point where if i tried to bulk one day, i could'nt get past maintenance calories. i stayed there about 4 months without seing ANY progress, i did'nt gain muscle OR lose fat. When i got to bulk again after some time, i got visual gains in a month.
The thing that kills me about AthleanX, is that he is a doctor of physical therapy (which all physical therapists are) and he uses his vast knowledge of anatomy and physiology to make his training and diet philosophy so legitimate, when in actuality it’s totally out of his lane. It also speaks to the fetish so many people have for “science based training” but they’re still dyels in a size smedium shirts.
Jeff was on the science based wagon way before most other people
He’s the pseudo science expert
Sports science isn't a real science. It's the same as "nutritional science".
People need to get this right. :/ Also he uses roids and fake plates lol
Essentially this.
He’s very accurate when it comes to a lot, but he extends his channel and especially larger media presence (website/supplements) out to things that he’s not an expert of. It’s really upsetting, since he could be used as an amazing resource, but has problems that keep him away (unless you only focus on physiotherapy aspects)
He uses his immense knowledge of anatomy and psychology to give us weekly "top 5 bicep exercises you're not doing". SPOILER: all of them some wacky curls
Funny how 8 days after you made this video Greg made a video about the same guy saying he actually made decent progress and this is what most people should expect in their 1st year of training... while also promoting his brand as always😂
This is what his average fan can largely expect following his advice, so of course he’s going to say that
This was me my first 1-1.5 years in the gym. Thank god I found you😭😭
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Ya I fell for Greg’s advice. One year of cutting and cardio. I came out looking like a gremlin
The cardio obsession is very real for some people even when they have no need for it
how about health?
@@REVIVALFitness plyometric like cardio like actual jogging, running, sprinting, jumping, hopping can get you into excellent shape, especially if you’re very poor at running
Opposite for me here i started taking gregs advice and im in better shape then ever.
There is growth. Keep going.
It sucks that a lot of people will forever be stuck in that loop, because the correct information is soo hidden.
It’s gotten much more accessible but the lean obsession will always win the algorithm and attention battle.
He probably just ate 1 big meal which kept him full longer and thought he was eating a lot. Used to happen to me and now it's happening to my younger brother lol
"Try lifting a burger 🍔 to your mouth."😂😂😂😂 4:03
I used to think it was unfair i was stocky and could gain weight easily. But after seeing hard gainers i feel lucky. But even though i dont have to eat as much as yoh i still eat alot and my coworkers dont understand how im relatively fit and eat as much as i do. While they eat pockets lol
Greg Doucette just released an egregious video on this guy, saying that he's made amazing progress in that one year of training and that he just has bad genetics...
Anybody who still takes Greg seriously or as a credible source is beyond help.
Bulking all the way. I was stuck at 155 lbs at 6'2" for many years. In the past year and a half to 2 years I have went to 175 lbs. I feel and look so much better.
@nunyabeezwax6758 205 is a bit heavy for someone your height if you aren't lean. Especially if you're like me and pack on fat on the midsection more than anywhere else. I'm only speculating though. Have no idea what you eat, how often you lift and what you look like. Personally, I wouldn't care if some steroid junky says you don't look like you lift. A lot of those guys use lighting, pump and angles to look way better than they do in real life.
@nunyabeezwax6758 You ever get your hormones tested? Small family jewels indicates you might have low t if you didn't abuse steroids in the past. I don't care for cleana bulking either, but if you are stuffing your face with sugars and sweets, that fat is going straight to your problem areas. I don't eat "clean" by any means, but I do eat a lot of meat, dairy and fat. Keeps me from looking skinny fat. Sounds like you lift weights as much as I do. I add 2 days of mountain biking or bmx as well for cardio. Keeps the resting heart rate low and blood pressure lower as well. Helps bulk up the lower body to because I absolutely hate leg workouts with weights.
Accurate AF, boss. You hit the nail on the head. Maingaining = waste of time.
It doesn’t even mean anything.
Currently on my best bulk yet at the moment. Started at 171 in late July, and currently weigh 186-188 lbs. Cannot emphasize the importance of bulking enough
Bro no hate but 15lbs in a couple months is almost all fat
@@vess928 Need more excess fat to make maximum muscle gains, who knows how he was starting out and with his height and how much he is working out
@@vess928 agreed, people put on weight way too quickly, the science suggests that the quote "optimal" range would be somewhere between 100-250 calories
@@Requilith i fell for the bulking meme. Luckily now i only do 200 surplus lean bulks and i only need to cut 6 weeks a year to get shredded for summer. Its the way
Bulk is almost always mostly fat. And a lot of people who bulk never stop bulking
Bulking does work, I went from 145lbs in Feburary of this year to 200lb in December 2023 and hit a 225 bench (kinda late)
The best way to track your progress as a natty is strength on your main compound lifts. If you aren’t getting stronger (especially as a beginner), you’re most likely not making any gains.
I say this all the time and guys always argue it. This is controversial now thanks to nerd “hypertrophy” culture taking over and guys thinking strength only means powerlifting and 1RMs.
So true! My greatest amount of progress i had recenty precisely coincided with my deadlift increasing from 200 to 315.
In my experience, you don’t even need a huge surplus. 200 calories above maintenance is honestly world changing.
very much so. Just started lifting about 3 months ago, started at 120 lbs 5’9 now 134 5’9 and can do 16 pullups so im proud😊
Not just your experience alone, the science seems to back this up aswell
I'll forever be sad that I never got my full newbie gains because I couldn't eat enough
AFAIA, muscle can still be gained. Your body still has that potential, it’s just a different path towards reaching it
@TheMuscularWeakling There are diminishing returns past a certain point. I didn't ever "blow up" at any point. It could just be shit genetics or a health issue, though.
Wait. I'm 140 and bigger than him. He looks around 115 to 120lbs.
That depends on height. If he’s average height and that weight, he’d be sickly skinny.
I've gained 25 pounds in 4 months and I dont even do Hypertrophy training. It's not my first time working out. I've been on and off training over the years. I would call it equal to 8 months of consistent training if I never fell off. I wish I took better advantage of my genetics when I was younger. I will make sure my children do.
I love your videos and dry humour, training since 9 years old comment made me laugh. Glad to see you're approaching 50k subs
That's the content I subscribed for
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You're welcome man
I think in this sort of situation, the best course is to be very complimentary of the kid's progress so far (he has made SOME progress and does look better), while encouraging him to work on his food and clean up some of his training. I think a "what went wrong" approach probably isn't helpful, even if clearly there were things that could have been done better.
I'm gonna start recomping in like ~8 months or so after I finish another cut. Difference is, I'll be recomping at like 20-22% BF and well into intermediate territory.
I'm gonna try to do what NH did basically. Recomp for 2-3 years.
I'm big but I have some obvious weak points, some low hanging fruit to work on, some easy gains to be made.
And I need the bodyweight stability more than quick gains because I've been battling obesity for 5+ years now, and just this year I finally feel like I got the Upper hand on it and I finally have my weight under control for a prolonged period of time. Still officially obese and I'm around 28-30% Bodyfat, but much much better than when I was 300+lbs and legit out of breath walking up a flight of stairs, with a 50" waist.
If you've never been above 25% Bodyfat in your life, and currently you're a Novice and under 20% Bodyfat, get this "maingaining" idea out of your head. You're gonna spin your wheels and make no gains.
I wouldn't do it like that tbh.
It makes much more sense to first lose the weight and then bulk, if your BF is a little higher, you can even just do a 4 weeks long aggressive minicut.
Those 4 weeks will give you more room for bulking. More nutrients will go to muscle vs fat, better insulin sensitivity, better health.
Recomping only really makes sense for newbies, or when detrained and even then only works for like 1-2 months max
With prolonged fasts you can even rewire your brain and make the mechano receptors in your stomach be more sensitive again, leading to being unable to eat as much as before.
So either I would:
1) Recomp for a month and then go into deficit or bulk.
2) Cut for a month and then bulk.
@@soez_strg6166there's no such thing as "cut for a month" when you're coming off of obesity. When all is said and done, it will have taken me 2 years of successive cutting/maintenance phases in order to lose ~70lbs of Bodyweight and maintain that.
Obesity is a whole different ball game. If you were never obese yourself, you'll never understand.
The rate of long term weight regain is 95+%, so managing that is a very delicate issue, and not a process that can be rushed.
I'm doing the only protocol that works in terms of truly beating obesity and putting it behind me forever.
Idc if it means slower gains.
In the last 16 months, I've lost 37lbs and 10" off my waist. I've also managed to gain some muscle in the meantime as well, as an intermediate.
Never stop posting!!!
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I love how some of these maingainers desperately try to tell him his progress is great to make themselves feel better 😂😂
Classic delusional cope
the only way a "recomp" will ever work is for a Newbie AND said newbie needs to be obese and the "gains" will not be real "gains" but rather the body retaining some of the mass as muscle while doing resistance training on a caloric deficit.
I know, I'm living through it now
If you’re obese, a cut is a much more time efficient option that a recomp. And you can definitely build muscle in that case.
@@REVIVALFitness yeah I'm currently doing a cut by counting calories and doing resistance training, doing a 500 deficit/day and checking maccros. not hacky diet like Keto or whatever and doing upper/lower body splits with 30mins cardio about 4-5 days a week.
down 75lbs from last year and have better definition (started at 5'11 280lbs 34yo M)
Keeping it real bro.
I'm one of those big appetite guys - bulking is pretty easy for me but so is cutting - I dont get that hungry that often, but when I eat, I have a huge portion. I intermittent fast without even trying - I just don't usually get hungry before the afternoon
yo bro i didnt think anyone else struggled to eat
The concept of the “hardgainer” revolves around this. It’s quite common even amidst the crazy obesity rates.
I was at VTech in early 10's a mid power 5 school at best. PED's was rampant there and how to beat it was taught from the top down. What they don't tell you is how that shit makes your bones, ligaments, tendons weak and brittle. I learned the hard way. When in reality I never needed to take it in the first place. I took it to get leaner (in return you will be quicker and have more stamina) and keep my strength
Although they can lessen the strength of tendons and ligaments, it’s a very small amount. Where the real problem is, is that PEDs increase your muscle volume and strength so fast that your tendons aren’t able to catch up and then they start tearing.
I refuse to believe that pic is real. I've been training for 3 months with no bulking and noodle arms and still got significantly more muscle mass than him. He probably doesn't even train correctly aside from not eating enough.
I think the same. It’s not a coincidence he didn’t list any strength numbers, even on machines. He probably just “chases the pump” mindlessly.
@@REVIVALFitnessi read the threat and he said quote:
Squat went from not being able to do 95lbs for three sets of 5 to 150lbs for three sets of 5.
Overhead press went from just the bar for a single set of 5 to 75lbs for three sets of 5.
Incline dumbbell press, started with 25s. I had it at three sets 7 reps with 45s at one point, and for no clear reason, despite gaining weight between weeks (before my diet gets blamed) and other lifts getting stronger, my strength in that lift dropped. I just got it back to three sets, 6 reps with 45s, though.
Went from being able to do one set of 5 pullups at 130lbs, to multiple sets of 7 at 145lbs. With way better form, higher range of motion, bar to chest now etc. I've tried multiple different lat exercises, I don't really know what works best.
Idk how interesting my other lifts are. Went from 5lbs for 10 reps to 17.5lbs 11 reps lateral raise in each arm, like 55lbs to 100lbs laying leg curl, 10 reps lmao."
schmucky the clown got me dead ahahahhahaa
Honk honk
Started the gym this year consuming Your content from basic trainng schedule and diet. Currently at 178lbs and was at 154lbs when i started around may.
The crabby patty formula:
Dont train for more than 6 days
Dont work on your upper back all the time
Eat a whole lotta whole foods and a little quick calorie snacks
Dont over train
Absolutly kill your legs ( it will help with upper body strength as well)
Rest!!!
And WATCH MORE REVIVAL FITNESS.
Thank me later
@I-io8ee you can work on upper back on days of back day but not all the time fam 😭
Bro, I believe you’re very smart and am mostly on board with everything you (including this video, I won’t challenge it, 120 lb newbies shouldn’t cut)
But I also have some ideas, approaches and results that kinda clash with yours in some aspects, I’d like to discuss them and have respectful disagreements or maybe even reach agreements but have a feeling I’ll get ignored, like previous comments I’ve posted in your videos
I don’t intend to “AHA gotcha!” Or “own you” in any way or be a smart ass, I legitimately would like to know your opinion in some methods I’ve used that kinda challenge your ideas
Informative yet hilarious 😂
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Fuck being skinny!! ITS TIME TO GROW!! SWOLE IS THE GOAL, SIZE IS THE PRIZE🫡🫡
Greg just uploaded a video about this guy today it's golden lol Thinks he's gonna be the next Mr Olympia
Finally found someone who understands not having a huge appetite.
Im use to being homeless so all the pigging i used to do as a child and teen has long been worn out
I find that going vegetarian (so no meat and fish, but allow eggs and dairy) is a good strategy to gain weight. Mainly because almost all vegetarian protein products/food contain a lot of carbohydrates or fats, so if you want to hit your protein goal you automaticly also hit your carb goal. Chick peas, milk, cottage cheese, eggs, peanut butter, spinach, brocoli, tofu, soy, oatmeal. I think it's an interesting way to gain weight if you want, but it might not be optimal. For example: cutting on a vegetarian diet is quite hard, because you want to lower your carb intake but most of your proteins are attached to your carbs so you can't maintain a high protein diet without having mildly high carbs. For bulking, it absolutely works. It does have some ethical benifites tho... so might be something to consider if people want to try it out to gain weight.
If ppl find it hard to consume calories, putting them on chick peas, cottage and broccoli is not the way. I appreciate that's a subsetof the items you mention, but tbh a real hardgainer should probably avoid some of those items.
I was vegetarian for a bit a few years ago. Easy to gain weight on for sure if you’re doing full fat dairy. It’s miles better than veganism since you can get all the nutrients from said dairy. Like you mentioned, cutting on it is rough though. I don’t believe it’s ethically better than eating meat though.
Interesting take
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I mean, I suppose it does depend on how the milk is obtained, but at the end of the day, taking milk or underutilized eggs is clearly better than killing the animal, no?
Protein that isn't from animal products is not the same and the carbs still break down into sugar in the body, animal fat is a more efficient fuel source that is less likely to make you put on as much excess body fat compared to anything that turns into sugar as a fuel source.
Yo my friend recommended me this channel appreciate it
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I see this all the time in my gym, skinny teenagers stacking plates then struggling through a set.
The only plate stacking they need to do is the plates in their kitchen. Progressive overload for them should involve heavier forks.
Chicken, potatoes, veggies, butter.
Beef, potatoes, veggies, butter.
The butter on the potatoes and veggies is free calories. And it's a solid ratio of protein, carbs, fat.
For a natural ectomorph, force feeding simply results in sending it out the back door. At least that was what I faced. I really didnt start to get thick until my metabolism slowed down a bit.
That’s more a matter of food choice. People eat lots of food that they can’t digest properly, as I’ve done too.
I wonder how Greg explains Eddie Hall's Abs at such a high fat %
I wish people would get main gaining out of their head. Before I went to the gym I was 133, and I was even considering cutting weight. I have been on a 6 month bulk and I have gained close to 17lbs of muscle in 6 months. I was so suprised. It never would have been possible if I didnt trust the bulk.
I felt like I made bad noob gains, but then I found out people like this exist. I honestly feel bad for just how badly they have been misled. But I was an athlete in high school, so I knew how to train and ate like a beast
Learning proper lifting and bulking in high school is a massive advantage. Puts you far ahead of peers who got their info from typical dumb trainers and influencers.
Go to any high school sports coaches or old bodybuilders, and they will tell you to eat. Base needs to be built before anything else and it has been this way for decades. Only in the social media culture did this change.
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I gained over 26lbs in my first 6 months. I did start off concerningly skinny though
I lifted 5 years straight, 6 days a week in state prison and only got to a solid 170, I have the same body type as this kid,any sort of muscle was brutally hard to gain. My body won’t store fat no matter how much I eat, I never passed 170 till I started anabolics 10 years after that, that took me to 190 and I have maintained that for years on Trt. Some people people just don’t grow,genetics are a gift and not everyone has good ones. I still can’t gain any sort of fat and I’m 45 years old, everyone always said wait till you get older ,you will get fat and tired it’s part of life. I was never lucky enough to have either happen to me
off topic but ive watched you for like a year now and ur delts hv srsly grown
Thank you 😈
when I first started the gym i was 6ft 150lb skinny deer bone wrist and all. I went to the gym with my friends and followed their routine and quickly realized they probably don't know wtf their doing. I went online to find help and found a ton of lifting advice, looking back at it most of it redundant, but I found Greg and I found Athleen X, they were good to learn the basics of lifting but eventually I realized I'm not getting stronger. so, I kept searching and I don't remember who told me to gain weight it was some random guy's video 4 years ago, but i gained 30lb in like 4 months... kinda fast i wasn't counting calories or nothing I went from a 65lb bench x8 to a 155lb bench for 6, I then "maingained" for like 6 months and got like 1 rep stronger in that time frame, I then quit the gym. i came back to the gym 6 months ago and im now able to do 155lb for 10 reps, and now i found you. I was 220lb now im 195lb its been 2 months of cutting and going to go down to 180 or 170lb before i bulk. I have lost 0 strength while cutting so far and im very hopeful for the bulk, thank you in advance Revival Fitness.
High fat works best for bulking, spoon that coconut oil for sugar free fuel! Easy to get a couple 100 calories in a few teaspoons
I just summoned the power of anime and ended up bulking in a way similar to the way wine ages💀
crazy but i went from 140 at 15 to 191 at 18 just from eating more same body fat like whatt!
He made gains I was able to do in 12weeks when I started exercising home lol. But then I ended up in the same loop - get big but have abs bs aka get buff on a deficit bs... yayks.
The way Tukesterone died off is not talked about enough.
Well… that’s why it’s not talked about. Lol. It will probably come back in another year or so, but BETTER this time.
24:10 You missed OP's crucial comment. He eats what his mom makes. There's your answer!
My mom makes good food. I eat as much of it as I can
@@SheepHairOG nah man you gotta start making your own meals that fit your goals. I make the same meals everyday which all have lots of protein, calories, healthy fats. I'd also recommend making shakes by blending peanuts, oats, milk, etc. I'm happy you made it here, keep watching this guy and you'll definitely get big. You just have to be willing to listen and apply what you're being told. I've been lifting for 9 months, 5'9", 190lbs, 315x3, 215x1, 330x5
@@SheepHairOG You're not getting enough calories from her cooking. Otherwise you'd be moving the scale upwards. If you have a job, you should buy some mass gainer (don't get the amino acid spiked shit. On the ingredients list if you see shit like l-leucine, l-lysine, amino acid matrix, etc. then you know it's amino acid spiked.). Or maybe your own home made mass gainer with whey protein powder, granulated sugar, cocoa powder/vanilla extract, whole milk, peanut butter/olive oil/coconut oil. A lot of people say to use oats instead of sugar. But I personally find oats to be very filling compared to sugar. And oats tastes very bland to me anyways. The only oatmeal I like is the sugary maple & brown sugar shit or cookies n crème.
@@pinchpeak5203 I do make my own food, sometimes. I'm not out here sitting in my basement yelling at my mom to bring me more hotpockets. I make food sometimes, she makes food sometimes. I eat what I can without vomiting, cause honestly if I have to eat so much I would feel sick in order to satisfy every asshole who tells me I've made no progress, I would rather not.
@@SheepHairOG okay so definitely your shitty mindset is going to keep holding you back. We're apparently assholes for telling you how it is and what you need to do about it. You'll start making progress when you decide to open your ears and drop the "woe is me" act. If you're not willing to take advice that's fine, but don't pretend like it's reasons beyond your control that are keeping you skinny.
17:17 worddd bro literally shaved and so therefore his jawline's gotten better😂😭😭Nahhh thoo this maingainer lie needs to stop frfr
Love for this vid brother and exactly; all those influencers of course they'll respond to the question that they're natty why'd people think they'd actually admit😂
It’s unreal man. The NoFap guys do that all the time. Take an “after” photo with much better lighting, trimmed up facial hair, and smiling, and guys comment on how he’s glowing now. Lol.
I mentioned it in the thread, my jawline actually did get better. I used to grow a beard partially because I thought it looked better than not, since I had no jawline.
A lot of guys seem to have their appetites explode in hs. That was me. When i decided to bulk I first went from 136 to 150, then stopped, and then at 18 went from 165-170 to 200.
For sure, started lifting at 16, 18 now. Went from 125lbs at 5'9 to 160ish at 5'11 super quickly. Pushing my appetite to get past that has been a bit tricky. Sitting around 170 now. I have never force fed, just fucking exploded my appetite outta nowhere
@@Spr33h0xhow i struggle to eat alot and im trying to bulk
@hamzahimran4708 bro it's real hard at first for sure. I found that milk was good. I remember i used to get to my total by just pouring out a giant glass of milk in a measuring cup. Had like half a litre at a time sometimes. You can try something else... but the point is, you got this
The title is like a rhetoric question 😂
He got a little arm and shoulder improvement to his credit
i appreciate youre trying to teach and arent really afraid of being tough abt it, ie saying this guy probably thinks 1 cup is 3 cups like hes an idiot. which is respectable, it feels bad but is necessary, ill probably pick up your channel here and there when i get back into the gym. :edit, alright that iq flex at the end bro what XD, i hope he reaches out to you fosho tho.
I had a trainer for a while and knew how to train I just couldn't get myself to eat enough, my strength improved but visible changes were minimal. The hardest part of lifting for me honestly is just cramming in those calories, and I bet a lot of people have been in a similar situation.
I had to leave that sub it’s nothing but children asking if they should cut or bulk when it looks like 90% haven’t worked out a day in their lives…
The biggest bulk issues for me are financially. Im from ny. Lol.
I'm commenting before I watch here. But I do think he made some progress. He didn't make much, like at all, but he does have some bigger shoulders, and biceps. His skin also looks clearer, and he looks overall more healthy than the before photo. But on the bright side he can bulk from here, and has probably learnt some about training in that first year.
For some people in this spot it can be more, i was a lot like this guy, but i ate so much that I gained 20 lbs of fat, but barely any muscle. In the end it turns out ive got weird hormone issues, tests show my testosterone is sky high but my body just cant process it right or something
That sounds like a training issue.
RF the only thing you miss out on mentioning about Athlean X and Greg D, is eventually after 2-3 hard years and no progress, the followers just result to “oh I just don’t have good genetics that’s why”. I’ve done it too and I’m sure you have. Also I feel like Reddit is hipster Twitter
If you haven’t, check my video “why you think you have bad genetics.” I cover this exact thing.
@@REVIVALFitness I watched it when it came out. Great video. Since I found you in 2020, I got up to 200 pounds and my best shape. I was in the discord for awhile.
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I started working out in January this year. I was making decent progress up until summer when I got a summer job. The job involved walking all day so after I came home I was too tired to work out and I didn't eat or sleep enough, I managed to work out once a week, lol, shit just wasn't enough. I kid you not I lost 80 % of my strength/progress when I got back to working out last month..For example, before summer I could do 90 sit ups as a warm up, but a month ago my body gave up after 20. I'm slowly getting my strength back tho
I almost gave up because I had to literally force feed myself to bulk and it was in alot of ways harder than the actual work I was doing in the weight room coming from a skinny starting point. It's a real thing
I’m at that point now. Unless you want to eat pure sugar and fast food, it’s a struggle for the low appetite crew.
@REVIVALFitness I had to resort to the dirty route with McDonald's crispy chickens and unhealthy burgers knowing I'd have to clean up the diet eventually. Honestly I don't think I could have done it without going that way personally
@@REVIVALFitness Yeah I find it very hard to eat "clean" just at maintenance with my low appetite. Sugar makes it easy. I have been using hot chocolate powder as of late to get my carbs in. And French vanilla cappuccino powder as my pre (sugar + caffeine). At this point I might as well just buy bags of granulated sugar (super cheap) and some cocoa powder and vanilla extract and make my own home made mass gainer. Table sugar is probably healthier for you than maltodextrin. I know about peanut butter and olive/coconut oil. But carbs are the body's preferred source for glucose. I only eat restaurant food like once every two weeks because its expensive. When I ordered a Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese, Medium Fries and Medium Drink at McDonald's it came out to $16.03 CAD after tax! Inflation is out of control Post-COVID
Almost 99% of the time = Not eating in surpluss (bulking) and not focusing on progressive overloading over a long period of time(building strenght and muscle). 😊😊
Exactly it's not complicated
There was a good study recently that showed that the only thing bulking does is lower your sprint time and jump height. As long as you eat enough food, you don't have to bulk, but if you bulk, you definitely won't be undereating. I guess it depends on how much attention you want to pay to it. Overeating requires less thinking than eating the exact right amount.
I think they called non-bulk a 300 calorie surplus, and a bulk >600 calorie surplus a day.
That's misleading. Any cals over maintenance is a bulk