Boat Heads - Part 4 - Jabsco Manual Marine Heads: Breakdown and Put To The Test
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- Jabsco Manual Marine Heads: breakdown and put to the test.
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I learned more about marine toilets in this 20 mins than I ever expected
It’s 10:47 at night I’m eating chocolate chip ice cream out of the container and watching a man make a sea crapper
Doug, listening to your comment about if you block it you clean it reminded me of my time as a dive instructor in Egypt.
The dive sites are marine parks so the paper is not flushed into the sea, it is put in a bin and then collected to be burnt. However with people spending a life time of putting the paper in the pan then the loos do get blocked from time to time.
Included in the first day boat briefing is a reminder that the person who is in charge of cleaning the blocked loos is also the COOK lol
This seemed to have a great effect on not putting paper down the pan...
.😂
You can't teach landlubbing westerners putting paper in a bag or bin.
This is such an awesome device. I can see the applications for a TREE HOUSE of off grid homestead situation. That Joker Valve looks like a Tricuspid valve in your heart but much larger. LOL
Not many people can make toilet's informative. Great job my friend.
Glad you enjoyed it
When converting my bus to have a toilet, I had to learn this stuff. You went over the details very well !
Great tutorial on a generally overlooked subject, thanks for sharing.
This is just the best and most informative video I have seen on the internet, so funny and so true.
Gotta love it when somebody starts off a video with growl
Man, finally someone makes a video that I can understand! Keep up with the good work...!
I only server my crew & guests cheese and bacon.....toilets never get used. Great episode!
Good stuff, Doug. Lift a board and have a look instead of trusting an electronic sensor - absolutely!
Amazing video, thank you so much for the detailed breakdown of the older model so we can see how it works!
Non crappy video. Lol I love what you’re doing man.
Well that episode ended up in the crapper! Sorry I just had to say that. Great discussion on heads and how they operate. Another point to check as you do regular maintenance on your head is that anti-siphon valve to make sure it has not had anything get into it to reduce or prevent its operation.
Thank you Doug and Betsy and the Seeker community. Everyone take care and stay well.
The bloopers at the end are awesome!
Great video! Even better out takes, Thanks
Awesome run down, I might have enjoyed this more then I should of brilliant!
I know you are going for simple, but I highly recommend a macerator pump... no one wants to worry about their dump clogging up the hose. Put macerators on every commode. Also, sucking in raw water to use in the head will make everything smell WAY more than the poop itself. That raw water sitting in the hoses has bacteria in it, and boy does that water stink if it sits in those hoses for an extended period. I suggest having a separate fresh water system to feed all the heads. Put valves on all of those toilet “intakes” to suck in raw water if that fresh water supply ever runs low. Once the crew understands how the valves work, they will all appreciate the non-stinky fresh water option for flushing! I’d also get one big pump that can easily lift the waste at the dock side into the pump out station, or just throw a valve and that same pump can powerfully empty that same tank below the waterline when offshore.
@ Black Bart, so true. Salt water that sits does REALLY STINK!
And get backup macerator pumps. I know several plumbers who swear the things are built to fail on a schedule.
It's a boat.
Nothing, and that means NOTHING, comes in the bowl that wasn't gulped and digested before (besides wipepaper, we made that sole exception 'cause western landlubbers simply can not learn to put those in a bag ....)
People signed that kinda manual on any vessel under my command on their first hour aboard, and we put up very steep fines for different sorts of failures caused by mistreating that rule.
It worked well the moment we decided the whole crews had to pay those fines together, no matter usually only the female participants clogging the pumps on a regular basis with their bloody "sanitary products".
Macerator is great on the ocean but illegal in most states. In Michigan they are illegal to even have on your boat.
@@flamesandspoons WTF? Why would such a pump be illegal?
Love a video for real sailors. I've shared this video several times. Thanks.
That was a Crap Load of great information !!! Thank you for the lesson !!!
I learned a lot from your video. TY for taking the time to do it.
Thanks Doug, Great video. Decided to hang up the spurs today and just go on holiday ;), when low and behold, could there be any better subject with which to clear my head of all this crap that's been going on lol. Funny how the practical things can set the mind right. great videos, great boat and great crew. Tally Ho! Carry on, a new start is in sight!
This video had a lot of good shit in it.
Great info. Doug, thank you.
Great vid. Really helped me out
Consider adding a bidet seat attachment (approximately $30) or handheld kitchen sprayer (bum gun) to each toilet instead of toilet paper. No worries about toilet paper clogging the system and save money from having to buy it. Bidets are the way to go!!
Thank you for going over the toilet. I just bought a small trailerable houseboat and it has that same model.
Been using it for over two years now. Just pour some vegetable oil in it occasionally to lubricant the pump.
@@SVSeeker Perfect. Thanks.
This was a brilliant video! Thank you sir!
Hope it was helpful. Going on two years, and I’ve not had any clogging issues with those toilets.
Brilliant, thank you
I like the idea of the valves. Have a valve on each hole below the waterline, and follow a checklist everytime you are going to leave your boat for an extended period of time. During normal use, leave them open and rely on the anti-siphon. Multiple layers of security :)
That is the layout.
We used mineral oil and/or a small amount of vegetable oil as a lubricant. Just pour a little in and flush and that's it. Worked great.
Both my boat and my Baby Blakes Head are 50 years old this year. Both working fine. However, the service kit for my head cost more than your new jabsco! :-) Keep up the good work. I'm looking forward to seeing you sail one day.
Wadded up paper towels will plug many toilets, especially the newer "low-flow" toilets. I am impressed with how well this performed. Would have to see how it performed in service, but considering the design is so common, I expect that is is more than capable.
Entertaining and very useful video. Thank you :)
I'm buying a boat...but have lots to learn before I do. Apart from the sailing part, it's all the other systems on a boat I know little about. This was very very helpful...had no idea how those 'heads' work. Thx for sharing. Best video I've seen on this yet! Watching from North Vancouver, Canada!
Just go down to the marina in your area on the weekend and walk the docks. Make friends and offer help. I’ve been working all week on a friends boat. Started by fixing a leaky head. And been doing electric work the rest of the week. He has also done most of the navigation electronics on my boat. I think that is the best way to learn it and also the best way to find your boat. Beautiful country you have up there. I’ve sailed the San Juan Islands.
@@SVSeeker Great idea. Will do for sure. I have one good friend (very knowledgeable about this stuff too) who lives on his sailboat all year and lives around all those lovely Gulf Islands not too far from San Juan islands...delightful scenery I agree!
Great video. Well explained in details. I learned a lot about boat shits today lol
LOVE the outtakes, #RealWorld :)
You are awesome
Pump water once before you poo.... make the surface wet so it's less sticky.... saves cleaning later...
pmsl you brought back some memories of cleaning out jammed wc's on hire yachts , jeez some people just don't read the fucking manual and shove everything down the heads Damhikt ! Great explanation of boat heads and storage and capacities of tanks. All the best , Karl W
Awesome video. Very informative and gives a great explanation of how the Jabsco toilets work. I’m getting ready to replace my Jabsco with a Raritan Marine elegance. My ample girth is contraindicated on my existing head.😅
Glad it was helpful!
That went right over my head...😁
Sir. John Crapper would be proud.
Sewage odour can seep trough some plastic. Just a cation. I know in some cases special sewage pipes are needed. Thinking about your holding tank solution. Kind regards..
Love the bloopers 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It will be interesting to see how susceptible the barrels are to permeation. All the hoses and tanks ultimately end up with a smell. Also macerater pumps do have some lift capabilities but not much unless your buying high end ones. I have burned them out before. The good ones have rebuildable pump heads. Oh and what I have found that fills holding tanks faster that anything is those folks with table spoon sized bladders! And they use TP too! I like the simple pump toilets. Easiest to repair, unclog and replace if ya gotta. I have two electric ones now spent $375 on one for it’s pump (computerized nightmare!) Train the crew and stay simple.
Special hoses and tanks are required or the smell comes right through. I know bc I changed the outgoing toilet hose in my boat and didn't use the proper sanitation hose. Boat smelled like S***. Changed to the proper hose and all was good!
I got the old brydon version like the old version you show at the start getting the replcement valves is easy i just made new rubber valves and attached the original brass weighted parts to the valves i made. and i brought a new joker off Ebay
I had an impeller on the ships CHT tank loose it's key. Upon disassemble the cavity was solid feces. No PPG at all. I was a mess covered in ---- . Not fun. The stuff is nasty but survivable. Good times.
One of your more lucid explanations.
We do what I think a lot of rec boaters do. We close all through hulls when we leave the boat. They stay open while we're aboard and can react to a bilge alarm.
I just took out my old jabsco head. 10 minutes because I used a Dremel tool and simply cut the base around the screws. N I w I can cut the bolts off with a sawzall.
My boat seemed to take on water last weekend while the manual head was being used in the fill mode. Is that possible? Everything seems to be going into the holding tank. Bilge don’t smell. Bad and water seems clean
Hi there! I also have a jabsco in my yacht, they work perfect except for the hinges on the seat. They break really easy. Maybe a nice cnc aluminium replacement project? Love the channel and the work you do! Best regards, Sjoerd Bleeker (naval engineer) - Holland
That is so true !!
SIMPLE fix. Either replace with metal hinges or replace the seat with one that comes with metal.
What if your toliet gets clogged, how would you plung it? Trying to not take it apart. Thanks
The video I've been waiting for.. also, way to start the video with a loud grunt :P
Awesome 😎
Check out the seat mounted bidets. They are great and really reduce the toilet paper load. They also help on heigine when you are not showering everyday to conserve water. It would be a separate fresh water pressure line. You could probably tap the lav sink. We have one on our RV to help with the tank maintenance.
It’s all fun and good till the pump sucks in a jellyfish.
Hahahaha...@@SVSeeker "fresh water"...
You have many good philosophies. Keeping it simple is a good one. I go by the one, try to make it idiot proof but usually best you can do is make it idiot resistant. LOL
The extra valves seems like they might still be nice to have if you think theres a risk of the anti siphon ever malfunctioning.
If you want to avoid blockages the best rule on the boat is if it has not passed through yer body it does not go down the toilet.
good shit as usual :p
"take it back" Sorry, most all the stores have signs up stating "no returns" and I asked someone that worked at a store I frequent and she said that no one had tried to return any TP. Yes, shitty of them to hoard. Of course I sorta bypassed that mostly with a bidet. Nice clean feeling EVERY time.
Thanks
It’s very easy to learn from you, you have a gift. If everyone taught and explained things like you there wouldn’t be any stupid people in the world.
Rule is pump and dump as you go so the bowl stays empty of waste and full of water the jabsco can handle a lot just not all at once. I have a few stories from a life time of boating but best was on current boat my Sister in law a lovely lady used the head and it blocked not uncommon but trick on my system was usually to get up a bit of pressure by blocking the breather. anyway cork couldn't be found so I put my foot in plastic bag and stood on breather where it comes out on the deck and told her to just keep pumping she put her head through the hatch to tell me it was getting to hard just as I inadvertently lifted my foot she got the entire contents of the holding tank in the face in a microsecond.
Pump style heads are great as poop will septic breakdown in the hoses . Get macerator style or short hoses but you will need at least 200 gallons storage if you are inshore and cant dump. Never rely on marinas daily. Six persons x four times a day x equals 24 gals per day and that is low as a real pooper uses much more. This is fifty years of Yacht and trawler building and Cruising with Family. Rethink capacities of tanks very closely . Ball valves every where on hand pump heads too. An open head below water or when you heel over will Yes Sink you ! Been there while racing sail Yachts and someone left the valve open , ME!
Oh that RV macerator doesnt work for shit above the tank even though it has a rubber impeller in it. Keep it below in the waste stream. Good luck and Good Pooping Mate !
Thanks for this video. I was bowled over laughing at the 13 y/o dumping paper in the head. Great video!!
To check holding tanks and other things like it, just install cctv camera and a light to turn on to check if there any issue, attached to a CCTV to check for issues, if you are above on top and hear something you do not like and there is other activity that need your attention. Because it is part of CCTV you can have an app for that.
This following system can even detect heat and motion detection, like the following product, which is probably not marine grade.
SWANN SWDVK-1645816V-UK 16-CHANNEL CCTV KIT & 16 CAMERAS
how high can you put your tank for the head? i'm working on a morgan out island 413. working on puting the new motor in today. i have a facebook just for this sailboat under MORGAN OUT ISLAND 413.
Can I open up the sea chest and sit on it to have a makeshift bidet?
We bought a lavac. Weird and expensive, but it uses a nearly bulletproof manual bilge pump instead of an integrated pump.
Shut off valves... Perhaps actuate by a bike brake cable connected to a vacant/engaged lock on a door?
Could you please provide part numbers for head and pump or a link
im am just wodering how you can fit an anti sypion on the inlet pump and still make vacum to pull the water from outside the boat, im thinking the anti sypion makes that impossible. ?
There are toilet systems sucking water from outside via vacuum, those don't work with anti syphon valves. You gotta close the seacock of Your inlet after the use.
i found this episode quite interesting. when your out at sea i surpose you could just swing your butt over the rail and carry on however when your in a marina this could get you arrested and maybe even jailed! thanks Doug....
Is that where the "poop deck" got its name? LOL
Can anyone tell a new boat with a toilet owner why I am not getting water into the bowl? What should I look at? Boat is a 2006 Bayliner 245sb. The water comes from the sea. It pumps into a holding tank. Boat is new to me. Just trying to figure it out. Thanks.
There is often a thru-hull fitting with a valve on it. That may be closed or if your getting just a little water it might have a strainer on the valve that is clogged or the line is clogged. Or the flap valve in the pump might need replacing. Or the seal around the pump piston might need replacing. Dig in! And welcome to boats.
The German Type VIIC submarine was an advanced WWII hunter of the seas but one unlucky vessel of its class. The U-1206 sank during its maiden combat voyage after its captain used its high-tech toilet improperly.
A plumbers creed. Don't chew your fingernails, shit rolls downhill and paydays on Friday. Nice video and strangely something I've wondered about.
I would 3d print an adapter to replace the pump handle that allows you to attach an air hose to clear clogs. Just watch the pressure.
Lol, if that backed up into the bowl you'd get explosive diarrhea
I'm worried about the sifon stoppers ur putting on if that the only line of defence to stop the toilet sinking you id still put valves in just in case if they stop working that way u r able to stop it quick... Also pulling wetter through the pipe puts negative pressure in the pipe same with a sifon but pushing it puts positive pressure in the pipe if the sifon stoppers work with a change of pressure of think that a different type would have to be used for the outlet and the inlet
They are reversed on the suction line. Not even sure they will be needed, but they are somewhere in my shop.
@@SVSeeker oh ok I just don't wanna see this amazing project get destroyed or u die to something you have worked so hard on
Many Years as an In-home appliance repairman - Maytag used to make a thingy called a "Siphon-Break" , and I usually only had to order one for Washers with a very long line to the septic tank or sewer or a drain line that didnt fit loose in the wall behind the washer, but it looked EXACTLY like the one in your picture- Perhaps look into buying ones for washing machines? because I'm sure it's cheaper than ones made for BOATS- it seems everything for them is outrageous?
Right on. Nothing made for boats is cheap. ...but I'm going to weld the anti siphon loop up from some stainless steel pipe we already have and then tap a siphon break valve into that.
What I did today ? I watched a a very educational and entertaining videos about toilets.
Wet the bowl before you do #2. If you don't you'll be rinsing the bowl for an hour or you'll be scrubbing by hand.
I highly recomend an aerobic sewage plant. It will save you a lot of hastle down the road.
I considered building one of those, but they still can’t be used in zero discharge zones.
anybody hook one of these up to custom biogas digestor?
Tell your guests it could be a lot more difficult. You could have
installed a Zero- Gravity Toilet. Those things are incredibly complicated.
Zero-Gravity Toilet instructions
1. The toilet is of the standard zero-gravity type. Depending on requirements, System A and/or System B can be used, details of which are clearly marked in the toilet compartment. When operating System A, depress lever and a plastic dalkron eliminator will be dispensed through the slot immediately underneath. When you have fastened the adhesive lip, attach connection marked by the large "X" outlet hose. Twist the silver coloured ring one inch below the connection point until you feel it lock.
2. The toilet is now ready for use. The Sonovac cleanser is activated by the small switch on the lip. When securing, twist the ring back to its initial-condition, so that the two orange line meet. Disconnect. Place the dalkron eliminator in the vacuum receptacle to the rear. Activate by pressing the blue button.
3. The controls for System B are located on the opposite wall. The red release switch places the uroliminator into position; it can be adjusted manually up or down by pressing the blue manual release button. The opening is self adjusting. To secure after use, press the green button which simultaneously activates the evaporator and returns the uroliminator to its storage position.
4.You may leave the lavatory if the green exit light is on over the door. If the red light is illuminated, one of the lavatory facilities is not properly secured. Press the "Stewardess" call button on the right of the door. She will secure all facilities from her controll panel outside. When gren exit light goes on you may open the door and leave. Please close the door behind you.
5. To use the Sonoshower, first undress and place all your clothes in the clothes rack. Put on the velcro slippers located in the cabinet immediately below. Enter the shower. On the control panel to your upper right upon entering you will see a "Shower seal" button. Press to activate. A green light will then be illuminated immediately below. On the intensity knob select the desired setting. Now depress the Sonovac activation lever. Bathe normally.
6. The Sonovac will automatically go off after three minutes unless you activate the "Manual off" over-ride switch by flipping it up. When you are ready to leave, press the blue "Shower seal" release button. The door will open and you may leave. Please remove the velcro slippers and place them in their container.
7. If the red light above this panel is on, the toilet is in use. When the green light is illuminated you may enter. However, you must carefully follow all instructions when using the facilities duting coasting (Zero G) flight. Inside there are three facilities: (1) the Sonowasher, (2) the Sonoshower, (3) the toilet. All three are designed to be used under weightless conditions. Please observe the sequence of operations for each individual facility.
8. Two modes for Sonowashing your face and hands are available, the "moist-towel" mode and the "Sonovac" ultrasonic cleaner mode. You may select either mode by moving the appropriate lever to the "Activate" position.
9. If you choose the "moist-towel" mode, depress the indicated yellow button and withdraw item. When you have finished, discard the towel in the vacuum dispenser, holding the indicated lever in the "active" position until the green light goes on...showing that the rollers have passed the towel completely into the dispenser. If you desire an additional towel, press the yellow button and repeat the cycle.
If you prefer the "Sonovac" ultrasonic cleaning mode, press the indicated blue button. When the twin panels open, pull forward by rings A & B. For cleaning the hands, use in this position. Set the timer to positions 10, 20, 30 or 40...indicative of the number of seconds required. The knob to the left, just below the blue light, has three settings, low, medium or high. For normal use, the medium setting is suggested.
10. After these settings have been made, you can activate the device by switching to the "ON" position the clearly marked red switch. If during the washing operation, you wish to change the settings, place the "manual off" over-ride switch in the "OFF" position. you may now make the change and repeat the cycle.
I just a bought a boat. The toilet is relatively new. The pump housing leaks when flushing.
I think a gasket may have been improperly installed. Anyone have any experience with this? Anything I should be aware of in troubleshooting?
It's a Jabsco manual. Maybe 3 years old.
Oh thank God, I thought you were going to make a toilet out of wood!
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I'm looking to buy a sailboat and the toilet is the only part of the sailboat that scares me lol. Fearful of sinking the boat. I've seen some sailors actually use a composting toilet on their boats. No need for water, just dispose of the composted crap every two weeks. What is your intake on that? Thank you for sharing such an informative video!
I like the composting toilet, but they require crew that know how to use them and with the discipline to do it correctly every time. I have far too many short term guest for it to be practical on my boat.
Personally, i would put a seacock in both lines, but place them so they can't 'normally' be operated, or lock them open, if you ever have to service the pipe (leak below waterline etc) you can shut them off to do the repair
The alternative is to dive and insert a plug from the outside, assuming you're in warm enough water without sharks ;)
Their is a valve on it.
A friend of mine had a sign on his boat at the heads..”nothing goes down this toilet that you haven’t eaten first”
What about toilet paper?
@@darken3150you have to eat it first.
@@automguru Brutal :)
I think I missed the episode where you went shopping for toilets! That Jabsco is absolutely the cheapest and the most in-efficient marine toilet known to man! It is really about $150 with your coupons etc. The next class of toilet is actually one of the best--The Raritan PH2--it is a hand pump also---but--it is light years ahead of the low priced spread---however---the price is over $400!! And I do recommend the vinegar--always buy at Costso---5 bucks for 2 gallons! I always give the females the"Talk"---about the care and feeding of the marine head. The boatyard dumpsters are always full of those Jabsco toilets, some of them real new! The Seeker is much better than this toilet!!??--------Mikey in Sequim
We'll keep a buck handy too. Bet there are a lot of buckets in the dumpster.
An anti-siphon valve won't on the intake to the toilet because you're pulling a vacuum. So what kind of valve would you use? Or do you just have to pump hard enough to overcome the air leak?
I think you have the outbound confused with the inbound.
@@SVSeeker You mentioned in the video using anti-siphon valves on both the water intake and the affluent output. Just wanted to know how that works on the intake of sea water?
@@kurtarmbrust you're correct.. on the intake side it wouldn't allow you to pull a suction. It goes between the toilet pump and the bowl, then another on the discharge line
Sounds like installing valves on the intake and discharge make sense for easier repairs and emergency, even if you plumb in the anti-siphons so the valves don't have to be regulary operated.
Yes, I thought that too. Valves or vents? Why not both? Sounds only prudent. Doug would probably say that you could make every system redundant at the cost of actually making a boat, and he's probably right. Although, I think that holes through the hull would deserve redundancy protections, if anything does. I've probably seen too many submarine movies, it's always the valves that save them. :)
Jeeesus Doug.. That was a little too intense for me.. I'll stick with the videos where we watch paint dry.
LOL : )
Was the last time that PAR toilet used Taco night or something? You might want to wipe that thing down before you touch it.
I installed ball valves on all through hull fittings because of the fear of anti siphon and check valves failing and sinking my boat while I’m not on it. I’ve seen a lot sink because of such a small thing that turns into a shitty one.
I bet that joker valve would make a really cool noise if you blew through it. You should try it doug!
Now would be better than later.
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