Peeing Off a Boat ... How to Use a Sailboat Toilet /Head (Pro Tips #2/Patrick Childress Sailing 51)
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- Опубликовано: 10 окт 2019
- Patrick Childress talks about almost falling overboard while peeing off a boat when he was younger, and about what other professionals feel about peeing off a boat, and what they practice and teach in regards to peeing over the side of a sailboat, particularly when offshore sailing.
Hank Schmitt from Offshore Passage Opportunities then gives a brief lesson on how to use a marine head or how to use a marine toilet on a boat so it doesn’t leave any smell or mess in the head, and why he calls the “head” the “gym”. He discusses when to dry pump, and then when to wet pump, and when flushing the marine toilet, how many pumps on a marine toilet, for when you pee or poop while underway, on an offshore passage. Learning how to properly use a marine head is Important to learn when you need to use a marine toilet for every day boat life!
A quick sailing how to video, another in the series of The Sailing Tips from the Pros, so you can hear how the pros feel about peeing off the side of the sail boat, and if real men should sit down on a marine head or not. And how many times you should flush a marine toilet to keep it all clean and smelling like roses! When the call of duty on a sailboat happens next time, what will you do? Will you pee over the side...or will you practice what you learn in this video about how to use a marine head, or sailboat toilet?
Hank Schmitt runs a company that matches crews to sailboats for offshore passages. He is actually the #1 crew networking service in North America for Offshore passages. He also runs the NARC rally...the North American Rally to the Caribbean. This is the sailing trip that Rebecca took in 2001, to learn more about offshore sailing after several years of owning her boat and dreaming of cruising, or possibly sailing around the world. Patrick was the Teacher/Captain on that boat, and 2 years later they got together, and have been sailing around the world on SV Brick House for more than 12 years, slowly circumnavigating.
To learn more about SailOPO, and how to find crew, be crew or sign up for an offshore Passage to learn offshore sailing, enhance your sailing skills and get a sailing resume, go to www.sailopo.
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We have nothing to say about composting toilets/heads, fresh water toilets/heads, electric toilets/heads, or other modern developments. Jabsco marine heads have been around for a long time, are tried and true and easy to maintain and repair. This is just about how to flush the toilet on a sailboat.
All videography/photography of Hank Schmitt, and Use Of Head is by Will Hogan with permission. Will is an accomplished Videographer and offshore sailor himself. Patrick Childress did other scenes and all editing.
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Please turn up your volume to hear Hank better. People have let us know that the volume is low but if you turn it up you should be able to hear it. Apologies!
Also...for more about Marine Head Maintenance: ruclips.net/video/bRofFfb37eg/видео.html
Also, What do you think? Pee over the side? Or Sit down in your head and get your exercise?
sit down or you will eventually hose the head down and get a bent ear from the wife
It all depends on how big the body of water is! lol
Pee over the side or not? It depends. Just like PFDs. When under no pressure and with a crew that can come EASILY around to get you, then you have the choice - to pee over the side and/or not wear a PFD. When you will not very easily be picked up then don't pee over the side. Even (but admittedly probably later, consider the PFD.
MrGentlebutfirm Maybe so. We always assume a trip over the side is a one way trip...so quickly things can go wrong, even in calm conditions. -Rebecca
Yep
Great approach to the topic and something I hadn't really given any thought to, but, needed to know. Any information that can keep people safe is GREAT.
Yes...a small topic but a Big one too ;) -Rebecca
This is an excellent presentation and explanation of the head. I am completely unfamiliar with these things and learned a lot in a short time. I have been looking for exactly this information. Many thanks.
Thanks Ken, we are happy it was a help.
Best and most useful lesson. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
My five-year plan is to finally realize my dream of having my own boat so I'm starting off by doing my homework years well in advance instead of learning the hard way. I've watched several of your videos and my jaw has actually dropped because your explanations are so straight-forward that my mind is left blown at the simple and practical genius of your solutions. Thanks to you, I solved the great mystery of how to maximize water catchment at sea. And by the way, probably the biggest lesson I've had realizing is that owning a boat is actually entering into a serious and committed relationship. So just like any relationship, you really need to put in the work if it's going to be a good and lasting one. Thank you so much for the wisdom.
Thank you, Jesse, for joining us and leaving such a nice comment. Any heavily used sailboat becomes a maintenance treadmill.
Have you got anywhere with your boat plans ?
This is awesme thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
I have the same toilet and wasn't sure on how to use it, now I am. Thanks!
When you are doing deliveries and dealing with all sorts of unfamiliar crew, you would be surprised how many people simply make something disappear from the bowl and leave it at that.......then it all gets plugged...damn.
I knew nothing about this. Very interesting to see how it works. I learned something. Thanks. 👌
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
Great information and video :-)
Thanks for watching, DStray Cat.
Well done and great food for thought.
Kenneth, thanks for watching and your comment.
Good one Patrick.
Thanks!
Great vid ya'll, thank you.
Thanks for watching and leaving a comment.
Another good video from PCS. Also another reason why I may want to change over to composting toilets when I finally get my long term cruising boat. There is enough work to do on a boat already....
I see a lot of these cheap Jabsco heads on long range cruising boats but I don't know of any composting heads. Nice idea though. Many ways to do it right. Thanks, Marcel.
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife -one good thing about the simple Jabsco head is that parts are available most everywhere. So a breakdown will probably only last until the next port.
The composting toilet is making strides in the RV market.
Looking forward to your next video!
Interesting. I can’t imagine emptying it is a very sought after chore ;) -Rebecca
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife Rebecca, apparently it isn't that difficult. At sea, the liquid container can be dumped overboard. The solids too. At anchor or a marina, it can be bagged in a garbage bag and dumped with any garbage. Usually a few days to a week between 'dumps' depending on use. Added bonus? The ability to remove the black water tank and associated hoses/ fittings/ through hull fitting and have more room in those areas for other things. I will keep you posted once I have first hand experience 😉
I will be completing my intermediate "US Sailing" certification this weekend, interestingly enough, we haven't discussed this although I suspect it's due to the fact that we are using Catalina 22's which only have port a pottys, either way, I greatly appreciate your videos, they are not only highly instructive but also very entertaining.
Thank you, Alfonso. Those C-22s are great boats to learn on.
Sir GOD BLES YOU THANK YOU FOR THIS IMPORTANT HOW TO LESSON!!!
Your welcome ;)
Gatorade bottle. Anyone doing the iCW alone will tell you the same. Dump when nobody is watching.
But if the head is used, sit down.
Lol, great video!!
Redemption, good idea. Thanks.
I was bringing our boat back on the ICW west of Applachiacola and had to go number two with great urgency. There was no good place to pull into, so I grabbed and sat on a nearby five gallon bucket, with a towel over me. And, of course, the minute I started a ski boat with a family comes around the corner and passes by, waving. I just wanted to sink into the cockpit.
Great info! Remember to use the head properly to avoid creating a sh*ty mess of repairing the head to remove the clog! Thanks!
Yes..no worse job than that one! Well, sanding and fiberglassing May be worse...but the head is a bad one, particularly underway ;) -Rebecca
Great video. Something a skipper should ensure that everyone aboard knows how to operate so it can be used.
I have been crew on more than one sailboat where the rule was: "If it didn't go into your mouth, it doesn't go into the toilet"
The idea behind this simple rule is to preventing the problem of having to dismantle the toilet to unplug a line. On those
boats with this rule it didn't depend on whether or not there was a macerator or electric pump.
On folklore I have been told that the reason the toilet is called the "head" is because that is where a person
sticks theirs to barf during a "mal de mer" incident. I know this is true because I made it up but the story does make sense.
Similarly, the "men sit down" rule (to explain to the ladies aboard) generally comes from (I am told) from the "challenge"
of executing "proper aim" while on a vessel moving randomly in three-dimensional space.
Good advice for men using the head on a boat!
Sitting on the head: yes. Although from small craft & aircraft heads, I've found that a three point brace (head against the overhead, spine locked solid into the legs set against walls or other) or four point (at least one arm) pretty much is mess proof.
There's also a forgotten part of the head called a "knee board". Set vertically on the floor in front of the head, it can be a piece of 1x6 or similar, with semicircles cut out on top do a man can "kneel" in front of the head, locked in position, with no to drop trousers.
We've also dedicated a "not for drinking" wide mouth tupperware bottle, for use in the cockpit when going below just doesn't seem like a good idea.
All good ideas ;) Thanks for watching and for your comment. It’s a very boy oriented video...maybe we should make one for how GIRLS should manage to use the head in rough seas! ;) -The wife...Rebecca
Or more importantly, when you're off watch and don't want to get all dressed up to go on deck. I have always allowed crewmembers on deliveries to use a bottle, but please, show some consideration and rinse the thing in a deck bucket not the galley sink! and we call them "Kneelers", but I guess my Catholic school upbringing is showing a bit there. Nonetheless, they are a wonderful addition to any head compartment.
Good point about not rinsing in the sink ;) -Rebecca
I'm embarrassed to say I've always wondered how to work one. Thanks
It is a simple thing to operate but you would be surprised how many guests on a charter boat or crew on a delivery, need a little extra instruction to keep a head from clogging and getting the stink out of, not just the bowl, but out of the boat.
My wife & I cut a large Clorox bottle in half leaving a bit of urinal shape to it on the half with a handle & we both use it to pee when passagemaking within the safety & confines of the cockpit. Contents are simply dumped out over the cockpit lee side while underway, again, from the safety of the cockpit. This works extremly well, saves all the hassel of going through the boat to use the head & everything that entails. Works like a charm especially in a rough seaway, simple, fast, clean & easy. That same clorox bottle lasted 5 years lol! I recommend this method heartily to everyone for a better peeing experience offshore!
Ha! Kind of like our poop bucket for the cat ;)- Rebecca
I love this Great Sailor long live his Spirit
Thank you
My Dusky 278 CC has a “gym” 😂 along with a inlet & bigger outlet valve.
Do you turn the valves in the OPEN position only when using the gym ?
No I leave the valves open. We now have an anti siphon valve…
Hi I had a problem once with the outlet pipe it kept on blocking up we were on holiday and this happened so I removed the pipe and found it blocked with Scale. No chandlers nearby so I took the pipe on deck and with the windlas handle gave it some serious whacks and cleared the scale so every 5 years or so I repeat the above , No Problem's Now.
That is nice to be able to beat the calcium out. The hard part is getting the old, stiff, hose on and off the barb. A heat gun, used for stripping paint, softens the hose enough to make the removal and installation easy.....but can also melt it.
"Catchers Mitt" too funny. Sounds like my grandkids, I accused them of eating toilet paper because they go through a weeks worth in a day.
Yep
For now on I'm telling people to watch this video rather than try to explain the proper use of the head. It's amazing how many people seem to use it wrong even after I explain it to them. Oh well, such is life.. Thanks for the vid guys!
Glad you found it helpful! Maybe installing an iPad on the wall behind, with the video on a constant loop, would he would helpful - Rebecca
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife HA! That's an idea, but I have only the one and it's used for a great many things. I'll just have them watch topside and keep tryin to teach. Thanks.
Good luck! To be honest...I don’t always get this perfect either..usually too few flushes!! -Rebecca
I like that idea Patrick. In fact I think that might be a good way for an induction on a sailing boat. Showing several pertinent videos such as these to crew members. Maybe they take it less personally than 'being told'?!
Use a Gatorade bottle, then pour it over the side.
Don't forget to pour it out
Yes
I fitted a clear section at the bowl outlet to see when water was clear....
Mark, that is a great idea, and the clear hose will also show the build up of calcium. The clear hose might be more flexible than standard sanitation hose so squeezing it should break away the calcium.
"When at sea, gentlemen sit to pee"
Yes! Absolutely! Finally a good reason for the toilet seat to stay in the down position ;) -Rebecca!
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife - A sign in one head I've come across..
"Gentlemen! You probably can't score a hole-in-one on land, you *definitely* can't score one at sea. SIT DOWN TO PEE!"
Love it! -Rebecca
Question, with regards to the larger pipe going to your tank, It is a big loop, I can’t see, is that vented? and is it above the water line? thanks
I will have Patrick respond to that ta a later but if you could clarify Hanks boat or Brick House...Patrick boat? I can’t remember. -Rebecca
Patrick Childress Sailing Hi Rebecca, it was on Brick House after the 5 minute mark. I am tackling this job on my live aboard with my family. Boat repairs and small kids!!!!! Not sure if it myself or my wife but one of us thoughts we should buy a fixer upper!
On the subject of peeing over the side, because I single-hand most of the time, I simply place cut off 2, or 3 liter bottles of soda upside down on each cockpit scupper and aim there. I keep a gallon of bleached water to rinse down the bottles after each use. All while tethered to the boat. I've been tossed around in weather but so far stayed in the boat. For #2 in the head, I've found that dropping and flushing works best. Great video on a neglected subject though.
Thanks for the tips, Mo River.
But I have a question for you...a bit hard to aim in rough weather all the way to cockpit floor. I man at least you have made a bigger target but I would think it could become quite messy. But I guess if you are by yourself, you can deal with it. But, if you had a lady with you, would you just sit in the head? -Rebecca
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife If Í was not alone, of course I'd use the head and sit down on the head, regardless of my companon/crew gender. I haven't made a mess yet that wasn't easy to clean. :). Thanks for the reply. Fair winds.
Ha! That’s good news for your sailing companions ;) -Rebecca
You might want to do one on the crystal deposits you get from using salt water to flush urine. Veggie oil helps...
Yes...did one a while back as part of the “dirty” part of the Brick House tour : ruclips.net/video/bRofFfb37eg/видео.html
Volume on 11 ... I have a composting head, which are not easy to pee into unless sitting down. Offshore, however, I almost always bucket-n'-chuck-it (using the bucket in the cockpit well). If the decks are on continuous flush (Force 5 and up ...) I pee on the lee side deck, with one hand on the boom gallows.
While editing, the volume sounded okay except it seemed one track of stereo. A bit different once the video was uploaded. I have more video from Hank to edit so I will try to err on the louder side for his next video. Bucket-n'-chuck-it and all the others....lots of ways to drain the bilge!
Yes, don't pee into the wind. :-)
Not to be too stupid... but where does the water come from? Is it sea water or water from your water tank? I know a lot about my used sailboat... but the head, which I don't think the previous owner ever used, either.... the head is a mystery... what does a maserator do? does it pump out the holding tank?
Water comes from ocean via the seacock in the bottom of the boat. A moderator takes what you then flush out of another pipe, shreds it up and either puts it in the holding talk or back out another seacock .ie hole in the bottom of the boat. Hope that helps.
Hi Patrick, I have a question for you. I know you are probably very busy but thought you might be the best person to ask. I have limited sailing experience, mostly in fresh water. And are considering doing more long haul sailing across the oceans. But I have to make it work financially. Can one make a decent living delivering boats as a skipper/captain etc
Hi Stormcup. In short, the answer is no. You might make $250 to $350 a day when delivering a boat. To make a living, you would have to be out sailing all the time. It is hard enough to get a delivery job, let alone many delivery jobs, on a regular basis. It is more practical to captain a private boat for an owner. The bigger and more complex the boat, the better the pay. I used to do a lot of boat deliveries but sitting on my butt crossing oceans, was fun for a while, but got old after the 3rd back to back delivery, then I would need a break. I saw it more as a paid hobby. I could make far more money, faster, painting the exterior of houses. I could not be retired and out sailing the world now, if I had relied only on a delivery captains pay. A friend, who got his basic captains license when I did, upgraded at the same time, as me, to Master 500 tons. He went on to operate tug boats and made a bundle of money, especially operating tug boats in the Red Sea. The company he was working for paid for the schooling needed for some of the upgrading and needed tickets for his license. From what we have seen, there is no easier money to be made than working at something in the U.S., to pay for a future cruising life. I hope this helps
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife thank you Patrick for taking the time to reply, very useful information
That is why before they had toilets on sailing ships you were required to go to the head of the boat where there was a net to keep you from falling int the sea. Thus the name head.
Interesting! Now we know! -Rebecca
When I was a commercial fisherman we did both over the side. Wait; I did three things over the side and all three required buckets of water to wash off the mess.
Yep
Wonder if there is a good bidet option for boats.
Yes there is. After spending several years in S.E.Asia, where there is a bidet in nearly every bathroom, I can see the good use for a bidet. One friend, on his catamaran, also spent time in S.E.Asia and could see the benefits. He installed, in his pressure water system, a hose with a sprayer right next to the toilet. That is an easy item to plumb into the system.
How about using an Electro San first.
Glad to see I’m doing it right! 😅
Thanks for watching!
There‘s a lot of knowledge and experience in your channel. I do enjoy it a lot.
Thanks, Matt. Some of these things I had to learn the very hard way. Hopefully these videos will make it easier on others.
Patrick Childress Sailing It does! I’m also on a 27 foot boat sailing Europe long distance and making videos about it here on RUclips. It’s mostly coastal but even then you have to have your guard up nonetheless.
I've heard you should use single ply TP instead of two ply. What is your opinion?
We personally use both. We don’t see any difference at all. You simply use less when it’s two ply. I once had a skipper on a SailOPO trip tell me that if I don’t feel like I really want to wash my hands after, I must have used too much toilet paper! -Rebecca
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife - Love it. Now there is some wisdom I can pass along.
anybody try using those "flushable" wipes in a head? they supposedly gum up plumbing, but they're kind of small.
I wouldn’t even try it. Baby wipes down the toilet are absolute clog...don’t know how these would be any different. -Rebecca
Those things are a NO NO for a household septic tank in spite of what the package says they do not bio-degrade and do clog up the septic tank outlet filters. Sears catalogs are also not a good idea except for reading while sitting.
they are made of plastic and dont bio degrade , dont use that stuff. get a bidet. use paper , trees grow back
some are plastic, some are fiber. i use clorox kitchen wipes that are plastic and should be thrown out in the trash. the flushable wipes are fiber though, and are relative easy to tear. but for a marine head, they are probably too tough for the macerator pump to grind up.
Haha...a Sears Catalog down a head. What an image! -Rebecca
My Nacra 5.7 doesn’t have a head. Or a below decks. And about 50% of the time we jump in to pee on purpose.
And a bucket would work just fine.
Great instructions. I hate those toilets. I prefer "composting" head.
Yeah composting heads are an interesting idea, though the old tried and true are no brainers...
Only things that have been swallowed first go in the head - it takes a long time for toilet paper to decompose. I provide nappy bags for the paper to go into. These are kept until they can be disposed of on shore. Men hate to pee standing up so I use a wide necked bottle.
That used to be the rule on this boat too, but we haven’t worried about it for a decade and we have never had to unclog the marine head! ;)-Rebecca
Gentlemen . . Important topic indeed. As Patrick may remember, I am guilty of taking a leak off the side in route to Bermuda. .
And, fortunately, you are still with us!
I’m sure you got a bit of a reprimand for that ;) -Rebecca
IMHO, every boat should have a hand held travel bidet, which can be purchased for about $10-$20 on Amazon. Not only does it keep your butt much cleaner because you avoid smearing poop all over your butt with paper, but it saves toilet paper since all you need to do is dry off afterwards if you've used the travel bidet right. I don't go anywhere overnight without my travel bidet!!
Since we have spent a lot of time in S.E. Asia, where bidets are prevalent, I have become fully aware of the practical use of a bidet. Previous to that time, I knew nothing about them. With that education, I can fully agree with you. If I ever should live in a house again, it will have a bidet. I know of a cruiser, who after cruising S.E.Asia for a while, installed bidets in both of the heads on his boat.
Patrick...you are getting way too used to unlimited water, here on the hard!!! -Rebecca
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Thanks for watching ;)
I thought mahina was an albin Vega 27 more people are putting thetford cassette toilets in and are removing the thruhulls that and or a bucket are the simpler way to go
Oops....you are right about the Vega. Thanks for the correction.
Yes, the volume is lower than other videos, but I play mine through a Bluetooth speaker which acts like an amplifier.
Thanks. I’m not sure there is any way for us to turn up the volume on this side without taking the whole thing down and starting over. When you turn up the volume does it get louder or it just stays quiet? -Rebecca
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife
Hi, it gets louder by turning the volume up,
but it sounds as if there is a cloth over the speaker,
or in olden times the treble was turned down and the base up.
For me it is ok.
It is still listenable.
I only answered because of the other comment and your reply.
I would think it would be a one-off.
Try bringing the video up on a smartphone and I think you will see.
It was only a passing thought when the video started and I turned it up and forgot about it.
I read the comments after I watch the videos.
Keep up the good work.
By the way I have to replace the head on the boat I have just bought, what make of head have you got,?
Thank you for this important public service announcement 😊
You are very welcome!
I thought you are supposed to leave a small amount of water in the bowl so stinky gases don't escape, just enough to cover the exit hole?
Never heard that before...could be!
Non-sailor (for now), but why not pee in the cockpit drain? Pee is actually fairly "clean" or so I thought.
If there is a reason you just can't leave the wheel, why not? Or pee in a bottle or bucket and dump the contents over the side. Pee sitting around for a short time will stink though.
When I got on board of Britican for the first time it went like this:
"Hi welcome aboard, if I catch you peeing from the sugar scoop while at sea you're off the boat."
"Your bunk is right this way."
That was good advice ;) -Rebecca
BTW, 'Sugar scoop' is the built-in swim step at the back end of many contemporary sailboats. Just clarifying for non sailors
There are no plumbers out at sea? Sounds like a good business venture.
Yes you should go for it! Plumbing at sea could be very rewarding!
I probably ought to put this video on an IPad mounted on the bulkhead in the head on my boat.
There are plenty of charter boat guests who would benefit from watching it. Everyone has to learn.
Bucket, bottle or cockpit drain is a pretty safe comprimise. Saves wear on the head, and crew.
Sure why not...though it can NOT be very graceful when you have crew...”don’t come up...I’m peeing in the drain or the bottle” :) But sounds safe when you are in the cockpit by yourself.
If you watch out head maintenance video, there isn’t much wear and tear. We replaced ours at 5 years not because we needed to, but just because it was so very easy and cheap where we were. But now we are approaching year 8 with the new one, and I don’t think we will replace it again for many years unless we find one for $50 again ;) - Rebecca
Is it ok to use a marine head on freshwater?🤨
Yes except you will run out of water quicker if you do. But if you have a water maker I guess who cares. But salt water is free ;) -Rebecca
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife I wouldn't worry about wearing out the toilet either. :-)
While at sea... sit to pee. 😉
Nice little rhyme :)
They say about the Amazon rainforest that if you pee in the water there is a bug that has evolved to swim against the warm current and get inside you.
That’s hilarious! -Rebecca
Hi Terry1 you are correct there is a worm which can enter the eye of the Penis it has Barbs on its head to allow it to move in but not to come out . to remove the worm means the urine tract has to be cut open it's length to expose it remove it and then sew it up . PS REBECCA THIS IS NO JOKE.
ramsey barber that's scary stuff , my Amazon exploration only occurs on the Internet .
We have a piece of safety gear on Temptress that I've never seen anywhere else. It's simple and big for safety.
I have a funnel with a hose in the cockpit running down a cockpit scupper. The funnel is actually a silicone "her-anal" available on eBay. We both use this at sea. Safer and easier then using the head. Keeps you at the wheel when you need to be there and saves us an uncomfortable trip below when things are rough.
I invented this while solo sailing in a storm. Similar story.
I think we need to show this in a video soon on our channel.
Great idea E & C.
I can at least recommend you not look up her-anal on eBay or Google while the children are in the room. Is there another name or possible proper name for this product? I found plenty of female urinals, but not the specific product you referenced.
1 if peeing over the side dont piss into the wind,
2 in rough weather sit down to pee,
3 if like me, you are elderly and the doctor tells you not to lift heavy things, does not matter if its rough or smooth, always sit down to pee
Haha. Good advice ;) -Rebecca
Two people I know most probably drowned peeing off the side of the boat or dock. They were drinking, fell and probably got knocked out before they fell in the water. One does not even need to sit on the head. Just piss into a container and dump it.
Absolutely, anything is better than peeing over the side. MANY MANY are lost overboard because of that! .-Rebecca
I’d tend to blame alcohol before urine...
@@cessrcd Alcohol was a factor in both these different incidents, for sure. The point is that falling off a dock or a boat is not as forgiving as falling on land while urinating would be and is more common for loss of life than one might think.
@@cessrcd True. Blame doesn't matter though. What can go wrong eventually will. Ask poor Natalie Wood.
medical urinals are designed for pissing at weird angles, have large openings, handles and lids!
Good idea! -Rebecca
Also works great for washing the cat!
Haha
As an engineer, this technology seems ancient and deserves a second look. Definitely easier methods could be invented.
Yes…an electric toilet would be very nice, but in reality…this is still the type of toilet that is on 90% of all sailboats!
Your an engineer, get on it
Heads have a sink for a reason Patrick
That is what we use while hauled out in the boat yard. It drains into a 5 gallon can on the ground which gets emptied once a day. A while back I delivered a Swan 53 from Rhode Island to St. Maarten. In the aft head, the sink was set up to drain into the shower sump which used a hand pump to discharge overboard. The pump broke which left soap scummy water sloshing around the floor grating. I hope no one was peeing in that sink!
Catcher's mitt :-p
Thanks for watching!
I could not agree more. I absolutely insist Nobody pee over the side. Just pee on the floor, add a pail of water and let the pump or scupper drain do it's thing.
Very good advise.
I peed a zillion times at sea and lived to tell about it.
Imagine that! ;) A very lucky man indeed ;) -Rebecca
No sound
Switch your sound to mono, from stereo and please let me know if that helps.
If you are at anchor and it is calm you should be okay to pee overboard.
Yes I think at anchor you should be ok. But falling overboard while at anchor is a whole other video...anchored in current...anchored in croc territory...anchored while drunk in current in croc territory...-Rebecca
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife Not even safe on land... I visited a farm and peed on an electric fence!
Haha that’s a shocker ;) -Rebecca
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife This is discrimination against Alligators, they have a say in this.
dame this is 2019 or 1902 technology?
It’s what’s on 90% of all modern sailboats out there...Rebecca
I thought it was just my family but I see not. What is it with daughters and toilet paper...? Do they all think it grows on trees...?
Maybe they need to learn to be a toilet plumber and then they will change their ways.
It was Sheryl Crow, not Angelina Jolie
Angelina Crow? Sheryl Jolie? or whoever that chick was.
Just pee in a container and then empty the container over the side. If I had to pop my head every time I Peed, I’d be changing the pump all the time.
I’ve owed in my head for 17 years and we haven’t changed the pump or the the entire toilet yet. Some vinegar and some oil every week and you are good to go :)
Zip up your fly-LOL- after a week or two of gales it is common to see men with them open because they have only been closing the one in their foul weather gear for so long they forgot that the one in their clothing did not get buttoned.
First... it is very common during sailboat races to see crews pissing out their beers over the side. The general consensus is "everybody does it" and "get over it". OK' I'm not particularly offended by the practice, especially if the peeer uses some discretion. But please appreciate that many people ARE offended by the practice, and whether they are overreacting or not the fact is that in the United States a complaint and judgement against you will automatically land your picture on the web as a registered sex offender. Hardly worth it.
I have crewed on many boats that prohibit pumping "Anything that has not been eaten first" because they are so afraid even paper will clog the kybo. This, imo, creates very unsanitary conditions because of the difficulty in storing used tp safely. Not to mention It Reeks.
The proven solution to minimizing clogs is 'pump as you go'. Don't wait for anything to accumulate in the bowl. The more you pump, the cleaner the whole system will be. A typical rule-of-turd is to pump 12 strokes minimum after the bowl is empty. You will have to re-open the "water in" a time or two to do this. Open that before you start pumping air again to save time.
Of course if we are using a holding tank you need to take this into account, especially if it tends to fill quickly to capacity.
When pumping the bowl dry, back off on the speed with which you are pumping since an almost dry bowl will often fling what's left in there up into your face. Which brings to mind how much pressure you can pump with. If what's in the hoses is balking at being pumped overboard, A Little more pressure will often be enough, but do not force anything.
Any and all manual pumps should always be operated gently and with full strokes, not too fast. If you're pumping just air, fine, pump fast to get it primed. But pumping too fast against solid water is extremely destructive to the pump.
Double hose clamps on all hoses are a sign of a professional installation, but anytime you're adding a second hose clamp (jubilee clip) ensure that there is actually a long enough spigot or hose barb under the second clamp or you will just be constricting the hose with a clamp that is working against the first one, as it will be trying to pull the hose off the barb.
Oh, now here's an unsolicited opinion: If you want a "Y" valve that actually seals and doesn't leak, look for the "Whale" brand. Those are "T" valves so they might not be convenient replacements for a "Y" valve. To prove this for yourself simply visit the chandlery and see how many of them you can actually blow through when they're "closed".
Finally, if you clog the head, don't be shy about getting a little bit down and dirty. It is really no big deal to fix, and people will be super impressed. Using a 5/16" or 7mm NUT DRIVER on the clamps instead of a flat screwdriver will make the job go twice as fast, with fewer cuts to your hands.
The dangerous and nasty part of fixing the head is dealing with the formaldehyde and other toxic holding tank treatment chemicals, not the natural stuff.
Thank You Patrick!!
All great info! Thanks for writing it up, and for watching! -Rebecca (the wife)
oops forgot to mention: On most boats we're going through our morning convolutions while sitting many times closer to those at the breakfast table than we would ever be shoreside. "Pumping as you go" can be done strategically as well, in consideration of someone sitting on the other side of a thin bulkhead, as it will mask other sounds.
Once I realized this as a self-conscience teen we went through a lot less freon.
Funny! Freon?
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife forgive me Rebecca...dumb joke...hint: what (used to) use freon? Besides the refer...
I just noticed Raritan came out with a "Y" valve. Saying I haven't found another brand Y valve that seals doesn't necessarily apply here. Anything made by Raritan is as good as you will find anywhere.
Electric pump for the head anyone????
I know my better half would baulk at that amount of pumping
Cheers Eric
As the women in this boat, I would say that I much rather pump 15 times, than have to fix an electric toilet every time it breaks :) Same with fresh water toilets...rather have my fresh water for a shower, than for my toilet! There isn’t much we do for exercise on a boat, why not use the built in gym? -Rebecca
You must be a Saint.
Pissing over the side is a tradition. Clip on and let it rip
Good luck ;)
Just hope the wind doesn't change and you spray yourself :P
Real sailors use the poop deck that's what I have don't have no stinkin head LOL.
You bet, just a bucket will do. Keep it simple.
I stand to pee ... forever ...
Good to know...anything else you want to share with us :) -Rebecca
Have fun cleaning up splatter
Not on my boat.
😂
I stopped peeing off the side of the boat after dragging 'it' on sharp coral on sea floor.
Haha
It's hard to pee one handed. That life line won't keep you from falling off.
Oh come on now...where is your sense of adventure. It will hold you on better than an OPEN lifeline will. And that’s why men MUST sit down when they pee in the head...otherwise yeah...it’s gonna go everywhere in the head! -Rebecca
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife Tried an adventurous pee off the transom of a J105. At night off the coast of Maine. It was very choppy. I won't do that again.
Well I’m glad you lived to tell the tail...there isn’t much short of the mast on a sailboat like that to hold on to, and the only head is peeing off the side of the back of the boat I think! -Rebecca
Have you or the guys writing these "no pee off the side" manuals not heard of a harness and tether?
Life lines help to keep a person on a boat. From all that I have seen, tethers are there to drag a person along side a boat after they have fallen in. Do as you like on your own boat but when on the boat of a professional, you are under their rules whether or not you are using a tether. They have been crossing oceans far longer than you have.
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife You don't know how long I've been sailing. The tethers we use have a short and a long leg. Long leg when needing to walk along deck, short leg otherwise. That issue aside, I do agree if it's their boat, you have to follow their rules.
So you think it’s safer and more advisable to pee off the side and potentially hang overboard on a short tether, than it is to just sit down on the head inside the boat to pee? -Rebecca
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife Using that logic I wouldn't be able to walk on the deck either. I think on a 3-foot tether I'm not going over. Now the 6' leg, that's another issue.
Great sounds like you have your solution! -Rebecca
I’m watching every video on the subject as I intend to buy a sail boat in 4 years and totally retire.
How do you get mail if you’ve dumped the crap called the American Dream?
If I had my way I’d claim no country of origin either.
I don’t want anything to do with civilization except money.
you need a p.o box or family to get it and send it to you when you want..i hate people they disgust me but i love people too.,. yeah im sick of living with traffic, peoples bull shit, hearing about politics,
We use a mail forwarder service out of Green Cove Springs Florida: www.sbimailservice.com/ They put a copy of the envelope online. We can then tell them what envelopes to open and scan. Then a day later it’s scanned and waiting for us online. If we need an original sent to us we can pay to have it sent anywhere in the world. We have been using them for at least 7 years now. Used to have dad do it, but after nearly 5 years, it was well overdue to relieve him of the burden.
With that said,mWe don’t get much mail. Maybe one or two envelopes a week. Sometimes nothing for weeks. -Rebecca
Why not just keep a pee bottle handy? Empty it overboard when convenient.
Sure why not. Just make sure it has a good cap :) -Rebecca
If it isn't convenient, just leave it in the cooler.
Mens prostate it is common in men peeing standing. Nothing good comes from peeing standing :)))
Really? I never knew that! -Rebecca
Ok someone needs to research this and set the truth free then ;) -Rebecca
Patrick Childress Sailing google have the answer , a lot off studies for sitting down.
You are right. Sounds like questionable benefit if one doesn’t have a prostate problem yet, but if any indication of a problem, sitting seems to have been proven better on all counts. Thanks for the insight :) -Rebecca
Prostate problems (benign and cancerous) are caused by a diet high in animal fat from meat (inc chicken) and dairy. This is not my opinion, but fact from multiple scientific studies.
Thanks. Im typical male pisser number one and may have found out the hard way. Think Il stand back teethered and have a pissing tube to make the distance. They had pissing tube in ford model T factory for workers.
Ha..that’s making me laugh! Glad this sailing video may save your life…Think of Patrick every time you piss overboard I guess!
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife well no, but marina loo other day I was rethinking comment about zipping up yr fly if fall overboard. My op shop work paints has open fly!
Thanks for sharing. Had a friend who flew on B-52 and I was told about recycling coffee cans. Me ex-Navy and peed in the trough inside.
Great hygiene. Or my screen is just dirty. Head smells better with a clean toilet.
Yep, so true…a clean head is a happy head…
Be tethered when on deck. End of story.
Yep
Don't get in the way of Darwinism..
Haha. Good one! -Rebecca
I hate to have the runs on a boat
Yeah
that is how many fishers out in there 16-20 foot boats is killed every year speciel in the kold time many not even have life west on 2-5 every year here in Dk alone what a waste of life in kold waters it only takes a few minuts to die
Maybe it is better to go fast in cold water. I will always have the fear of splashing into the ocean and watch my sailboat sail on without me, making for a slow death.
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife ya just wish they would use the west so they can be found again so the family would get peace
@@SailingBrickHouse-RVLife He means the vest. Seriously, the whole "better to go quickly" I find utterly ridiculous and it is said by new sailors and oldtimers like you alike in an attempt to justify their avoidance of life vests. On point, do you really propose that drowning due to exhaustion is less horrifying than dozing off, while afloat, due to hypothermia. Hardly. You sail with your wife do you not? Would you rather "go quickly" than give her at least some chance of recovering you if your fall is noticed? What about near land, where a vest can be the reason you can successfully swim ashore. Before you start, yes I know about clipping in lifelines. Those are two separate and unrelated things.
Simple solution. If you want a quick death, just take the vest off when you are in the water? My bet is no one actually would. Ever.
I gave $25-30 to Offshore Passage Opportunities back in the late 90s and never heard a word from them. What a rip-off!
Was someone supposed to correspond with you or did that give you access to online notices for which you have to do something? Something can slip through the cracks in any business. Did you ever follow up and contact OPO about your concern?
Patrick Childress Sailing : well those were the days before internet so I was supposed to be contacted and never was
What were you 'supposed to be contacted' about?
1991 Internet became available to the masses. 1993 OPO was born. I joined in year 2000, and by 2001 I had taken my first crew position. To be honest I can’t remember exactly what the modi’s de operande was back then, but I don’t remember getting any emails or phone call from them...I just remember having access to the opportunities available if I went on the web site....and could submit my resume if interested in one of the opportunities. Needless to say, I haven’t been a member for 12 years because I’ve been circumnavigating on my own boat since. Sorry that you remember getting less than what you signed up for...maybe contact Hank, and with some tact, he will look you up in the system and extend a new membership to you or something. They are a very good organization and though you do need some qualifications to get on their trips, the captains they approve are fantastic, and give you some great ways to extend your sailing resume, for sure! Once I had been on one of their trips, I got on every single crewing position I applied for! -Rebecca
As a completely unauthorised representative of OPO, I am thanking you now. Your donation made a real difference. Don't think for a moment it was unappreciated!