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He had a strange dynasty from what I recall, I think it was his son who invited Plato there to then just randomly imprison him because he wanted to keep him. You dont hear much about Sicily in the classical age except the athenian expedition but its fascinating
Plato first came in Syracuse during Dionysios the Elder's reign. Much like Socrates, Plato didn't believe much in democracy and its tendency to fall prey to demagogues, whereas a powerful and wise ''philosopher-king'', a Peisistratos but with less tyrannical tendencies so to speak, should be the best man to lead a nation. If there ever was such a man during Plato's life, Dionysios came the closest. Unfortunately, Plato's dislike for tyrants made the two men fall out with each other, and Dionysios made a slave out of Plato. He was bought out for 2000 drachmae by a fellow philosopher. Plato did manage to strike a friendship with Dionysios brother-in-law, Dion. After Dionysios death, Dion invited Plato back to Syracuse to tutor his son, Dionysios the Younger. While it went pretty well initially, Dion's ambitions and Dionysios' lack of character made the whole thing fall apart. Dion was banished from Syracuse and Plato was imprisoned and had to be smuggled away. He would never come back to Syracuse. Dion did though, at the head of an army which deposed Dionysios and made him the new tyrant of Syracuse, much to the disappointment of Plato.
It's often the opposite in the peloponnesian war. Huge battles were decided with a couple of thousand men sometimes. On the other hand estimates for the Persian armies which invaded greece are up in the hundreds of thousands.
Yeah the Middle Ages really were a downturn in human organization and population. Its wild how effective and just the scale of these ancient empires. Truly mindblowing to me because you have to put it into the context of how long it took the travel back then. I just drove across half the U.S. in one day and it was backed up all over. That would have taken an army months to cover. Weeks for even a determined rider.
The middle ages weren't really such a downturn. Not only were some of the world's most impressive buildings built (such as the Notre Dame), armies were still huge, and science had advanced a lot. In fact, technological advances were much slower in places such as the Roman Empire due to their reliance on slave labour, which made improving technology less prioritised. And, if you look at places such as China, there was much more organisation than at, say, 0 BC/10000 human calendar However, one of the biggest factors for the decline in some areas was the plague (such as that debilitating the Byzantine Empire in the 8th century).
Glad you enjoy it! I love these multi-part series where we can follow the ebbs and flows of a gripping narrative, especially when they are led by fascinating characters such as Dionysius.
can you make a playlist of the wars between the Greeks and carthage in order of earliest to latest, a video about the athenian expedition would also be awesome. thanks for the amazing content you have been making the last years, i started watching your video back in 2015 and have been a fan ever since
This was over a hundred years before the first Punic war. Rome wasn't even a blip on the radar yet. In fact, at the time that Syracuse was warring with Rhegium, Rome was sacked by the Senones.
A wonderful historical coverage about Dionysis military 🪖 , enjoyed parties ,political & adventures on Sicilian Island 🏝 . Happy new year (Victa 🎉 ✨️) channel
@Invicta this is a great opportunity for alternative timeline video where Syracuse conquers Sicily and southern Italy rivalling Rome. Also could be taken into account considering the date and Macedonian power later
Can u make a series on the viking raids/battles in ireland and the irish sea? There should be plenty of stories to tell about the rise and fall of Turgesius, imar and olaf and the ui imar. I know the sources might seem slim, dubious and biased but still there is a good story to tell.
the battle of Cabala in 378 BC and the battle of Cronium in 376 BC were arguably the largest and deadliest pitched battles in all of the Punic-Sicilian wars, with both sides securing 1 victory inflicting 10,000 to 14,000 casualties to the opponent. Carthage's victory at Cronium strongly resembles the battle of Marathon in 490 BC however: Diodorus described the battle as the Syracusean army driving back the weaker Carthaginian center composed of Libyan light infantry with their own most formidable mercenary troops and Dionysius' personal Hoplite guard, while Carthage was victorious in both flanks with greek allies on the left fighting as hoplites and high quality Italian mercenaries on the right. Subsequently they turned inward attacking from both sides, which caused panic, dismay and made the Syracusean troups flee.
@@nisarbo3781 even in the most restricted numbers no less than 20k Punics deaths . And i'm not saying what wrote the greeks . Only the burials of the mercenaries greek had were 10k and were found near the city of Himera , and i'm talking of the mercenaries on the side that won
@@locusta4662 There are no numbers about casualties of the battle of Himera, 20k is your own guess. Fact is Carthage didnt have an army of 300,000 men in 480 BC considering it wasnt even at the height of its power at that time. Not even the city of Carthage itself had this amount of people in the 5th century bc. So stop spreading false claims. We simply dont know the real numbers, neither reliable army sizes nor casualty figures.
@@nisarbo3781 sorry but it's a rough numemer based on sources . Not even of ww2 you know the real number . But the numer of tombs discovered near himera are over 10k and most come from Ukraine and near zones , so the numbers are made combining the sources . It's like this in every war
So remember that Van Gogh the inflation between now and then accounts for 4500% of that value increase. Which still provides a return of 39% a year, however for every van gogh that has gone up by that amount, there are others that have not increased in value at all, also can van gogh even be considered contemporary any more he died 132 years ago. I also feel that 1935 may have been quite the dip in the art market you know due tobthe great depression and all so art prices had fallen to 1905 price levels meaningbif you held an art portfolio between 1905 and sold in 1935 you made 0% return on equity, so if you add in those 30 years on zero return prior to a fortuitous purchase at the bottom of the market the return drops to 29%. They have also chosen Van Gogh as an example who has the 4th most expensive painting ever sold, indicating that an average return on a more run of the mill artist may not return quite the same level of spectacular return.
@@2kforever3199 I won't waste my time binging stuff with google that I already know. Same as I know he is dead and dead people are not profiting from any art sales
@@notaname1750 yeah the narratives is clearly biased which it is fair as there's no Carthagians sources left after the destruction of the city and all the sources about Carthage are their enemies sources, Greeks ad Romans
Do you think it will make a difference if a single person tells you that building musical tension repeatedly without purpose is very irritating? Don't use the history channel as an example, it really doesn't work.
@@rogelioalonzo2911 The starting date of The Rise of the Republic DLC is 399 BC, and for all intents and purposes (indicated by the in-game texts), the player's family tree is initially led by _this_ exact Dionysius.
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Invicta or google deleting my comments about the M@$ter works lie..
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Paul Allen has been dead for years, he is not selling art. Feels like a scam
Dionysius really just never knew when to give up
Dionysius be like “I didn’t hear no 🛎️“
He had a strange dynasty from what I recall, I think it was his son who invited Plato there to then just randomly imprison him because he wanted to keep him. You dont hear much about Sicily in the classical age except the athenian expedition but its fascinating
And around the same time, a group of Senones Celts from Gaul, led by a chieftain named Brennus, invaded Italy and sacked Rome.
@@charlesdeleo4608 Nobody expects the Roman Republic!
Plato first came in Syracuse during Dionysios the Elder's reign. Much like Socrates, Plato didn't believe much in democracy and its tendency to fall prey to demagogues, whereas a powerful and wise ''philosopher-king'', a Peisistratos but with less tyrannical tendencies so to speak, should be the best man to lead a nation. If there ever was such a man during Plato's life, Dionysios came the closest. Unfortunately, Plato's dislike for tyrants made the two men fall out with each other, and Dionysios made a slave out of Plato. He was bought out for 2000 drachmae by a fellow philosopher.
Plato did manage to strike a friendship with Dionysios brother-in-law, Dion. After Dionysios death, Dion invited Plato back to Syracuse to tutor his son, Dionysios the Younger. While it went pretty well initially, Dion's ambitions and Dionysios' lack of character made the whole thing fall apart. Dion was banished from Syracuse and Plato was imprisoned and had to be smuggled away. He would never come back to Syracuse. Dion did though, at the head of an army which deposed Dionysios and made him the new tyrant of Syracuse, much to the disappointment of Plato.
Syracuse sure had some fight in her. To go toe to toe with both Athens and Carthage at their height is quite a feat.
I was on the edge of my seat!! Thank you for your consistency in creating such informative and interesting nuggets of history
A thoroughly underexplored topic! I love this!
It's always mind boggling how large armies were in antiquity.
It's often the opposite in the peloponnesian war. Huge battles were decided with a couple of thousand men sometimes. On the other hand estimates for the Persian armies which invaded greece are up in the hundreds of thousands.
Yeah the Middle Ages really were a downturn in human organization and population. Its wild how effective and just the scale of these ancient empires. Truly mindblowing to me because you have to put it into the context of how long it took the travel back then. I just drove across half the U.S. in one day and it was backed up all over. That would have taken an army months to cover. Weeks for even a determined rider.
The middle ages weren't really such a downturn. Not only were some of the world's most impressive buildings built (such as the Notre Dame), armies were still huge, and science had advanced a lot.
In fact, technological advances were much slower in places such as the Roman Empire due to their reliance on slave labour, which made improving technology less prioritised.
And, if you look at places such as China, there was much more organisation than at, say, 0 BC/10000 human calendar
However, one of the biggest factors for the decline in some areas was the plague (such as that debilitating the Byzantine Empire in the 8th century).
Great video! You have such a compelling way of telling history
Glad you enjoy it! I love these multi-part series where we can follow the ebbs and flows of a gripping narrative, especially when they are led by fascinating characters such as Dionysius.
Dionysus forgot to check his war exhaustion metre.
I have in fact found this video to be entertaining and enlightening. Well done.
can you make a playlist of the wars between the Greeks and carthage in order of earliest to latest, a video about the athenian expedition would also be awesome. thanks for the amazing content you have been making the last years, i started watching your video back in 2015 and have been a fan ever since
The Carthagians and Greek cities plotted to destroy each other but a third power was going for their throats.
This was over a hundred years before the first Punic war. Rome wasn't even a blip on the radar yet. In fact, at the time that Syracuse was warring with Rhegium, Rome was sacked by the Senones.
Same thing happened with the arabs conquests
Not quite yet.
That came in 264 b.c.
A wonderful historical coverage about Dionysis military 🪖 , enjoyed parties ,political & adventures on Sicilian Island 🏝 . Happy new year (Victa 🎉 ✨️) channel
thank you, Invicta
Great content thank you
14:30
Damn, that dude is holding that pole with his wrist... that's talent.
@Invicta this is a great opportunity for alternative timeline video where Syracuse conquers Sicily and southern Italy rivalling Rome. Also could be taken into account considering the date and Macedonian power later
Heck yes, thank y’all for sharing this.
Thanks for another interesting video
Superb video! Thanks.⚔🙌🙏
Can u make a series on the viking raids/battles in ireland and the irish sea? There should be plenty of stories to tell about the rise and fall of Turgesius, imar and olaf and the ui imar. I know the sources might seem slim, dubious and biased but still there is a good story to tell.
What a glorious name! Glad he never gave up
2:41 that was one epic burn 🤣
the battle of Cabala in 378 BC and the battle of Cronium in 376 BC were arguably the largest and deadliest pitched battles in all of the Punic-Sicilian wars, with both sides securing 1 victory inflicting 10,000 to 14,000 casualties to the opponent. Carthage's victory at Cronium strongly resembles the battle of Marathon in 490 BC however: Diodorus described the battle as the Syracusean army driving back the weaker Carthaginian center composed of Libyan light infantry with their own most formidable mercenary troops and Dionysius' personal Hoplite guard, while Carthage was victorious in both flanks with greek allies on the left fighting as hoplites and high quality Italian mercenaries on the right. Subsequently they turned inward attacking from both sides, which caused panic, dismay and made the Syracusean troups flee.
the battle of Himera was probably the greatest battle and happened in 480 BC
@@locusta4662 no, the numbers of that battle are far from accurate.
@@nisarbo3781 even in the most restricted numbers no less than 20k Punics deaths . And i'm not saying what wrote the greeks . Only the burials of the mercenaries greek had were 10k and were found near the city of Himera , and i'm talking of the mercenaries on the side that won
@@locusta4662 There are no numbers about casualties of the battle of Himera, 20k is your own guess. Fact is Carthage didnt have an army of 300,000 men in 480 BC considering it wasnt even at the height of its power at that time. Not even the city of Carthage itself had this amount of people in the 5th century bc. So stop spreading false claims. We simply dont know the real numbers, neither reliable army sizes nor casualty figures.
@@nisarbo3781 sorry but it's a rough numemer based on sources . Not even of ww2 you know the real number . But the numer of tombs discovered near himera are over 10k and most come from Ukraine and near zones , so the numbers are made combining the sources . It's like this in every war
Dionysius had no chill at all.
I still play Rome total war 2
You can play him as a character in a specific campaign mode
No way! What game mode is it?
@Anakin Vader it's a DLC you gotta purchase it's called rise of the Republic
I love playing as rome during rise of the republic, cool to play spear heavy rome
Hello there Dionysius, mate
Love ur video's tys
yeah, I read Dionysus.
17:42 What about the neutral parts of the island? Who did those belong to?
thanks
Propably hellenized or non hellenized locals ( named Sicanoi aka local tribes ) , and some small Greek colonies that didn’t want to interfere
Heard this guy had more troops than even Athens. So mighty
you should ad art for the present artists
It snows in Sicily?
It does yea, in the mountains. Every december-January its very snowy up there
Dionysius was really a gigachad
I thought this video was going to be about the Greek god of wine. Haha dammit.
You know your in trouble when the guy named after a god, starts causing trouble
0:51 fine art?
Dying at 65 was a FANTASTIC feat of magic for the age.
Most people died much younger.
So remember that Van Gogh the inflation between now and then accounts for 4500% of that value increase. Which still provides a return of 39% a year, however for every van gogh that has gone up by that amount, there are others that have not increased in value at all, also can van gogh even be considered contemporary any more he died 132 years ago. I also feel that 1935 may have been quite the dip in the art market you know due tobthe great depression and all so art prices had fallen to 1905 price levels meaningbif you held an art portfolio between 1905 and sold in 1935 you made 0% return on equity, so if you add in those 30 years on zero return prior to a fortuitous purchase at the bottom of the market the return drops to 29%. They have also chosen Van Gogh as an example who has the 4th most expensive painting ever sold, indicating that an average return on a more run of the mill artist may not return quite the same level of spectacular return.
A thing is only worth the price somebody is willing to pay for it....
Please make a video on Hoysala Empire
Imagine if Syracuse kicked off Carthage of Sicily and then became power in southern Italy. It could very well resist or conquer Rome!
1:08 lets see paul allens card
I would not have pegged the game named after a god of wine and madness to be the badass 11th hour general
One of my favorite terms . Buffoonery!
This Greek city caused so much trouble for Carthage. It's kinda funny. Later Rome would cause trouble for Carthage as well.
🙂
You should do a series focusing on the worst Roman emperors such as Caligula, Nero, Commodus, or Diocletian!
Diocletian wasnt that bad and Nero definitely wasn't one of the worse tho I would love to see a vid on honorius who was objectively the worst
I was here before the we wuz gang.
Dionysus was a bit of a troll
Never judge history by the standards of today....
Nah the cattle is crazy
Am I the first one here ???
Yep! Congrats!
This is basicly Proxy war, direct war, proxy war, direct war, proxy war ...
I don't think Paul Allen sold anything last month since he's kinda dead
People should start calling these conflicts Carthaginians vs syracusans
he just lucky, no free money bro
Paul Allen is dead. So he could not sell art. You are fake news. This art investment is a scam just like the established titles isn't it?
Unfortunately for all the hard work of some at invicta, it’s plagued by some very bad advertising decisions
One single search on google would tell you how his art collection was sold to Christie's
@@2kforever3199 I won't waste my time binging stuff with google that I already know. Same as I know he is dead and dead people are not profiting from any art sales
@@eurosomething You do understand he has a family estate that the sales go towards...
@@2kforever3199 do you understand that being dead means you can't spend money? I just binged it with google. Still dead haha
Any chance you could stop endorsing scammers?
obviously you're using greek sources
Yeah, I can’t believe Invicta didn’t consult with the Carthaginians. Smh
@@notaname1750 asking a modern Tunisian:
"I dont know man i just got here"
@@notaname1750 yeah the narratives is clearly biased which it is fair as there's no Carthagians sources left after the destruction of the city and all the sources about Carthage are their enemies sources, Greeks ad Romans
Do you have any punic sources ???
@@wael4070 greeks didn't like each other all that much as you can see even on this video so they are not that biased most of the time
ART ???? LOL !! I'd rather invest in Crypto :D great video otherwise
Do you think it will make a difference if a single person tells you that building musical tension repeatedly without purpose is very irritating? Don't use the history channel as an example, it really doesn't work.
Not just me then. I like the content, but the music is both too loud and very very #$@!^%& annoying.
A city-state cannot win an empire..If all Greeks of magna Grecia were united then they could have won over and over and over and over and over again
You know Sicily sent Hispanocelts to fight for spartans
I still play Rome total war 2
You can play him as a character in a specific campaign mode
It's a descendant of this guy.
@@rogelioalonzo2911 The starting date of The Rise of the Republic DLC is 399 BC, and for all intents and purposes (indicated by the in-game texts), the player's family tree is initially led by _this_ exact Dionysius.