Novara REACTS To BBC's Sunak vs Starmer Election Debate
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Join Aaron Bastani and Ash Sarkar for the final head-to-head debate between Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer of the 2024 UK general election.
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Starmer - my mum was a nurse and my dad was a tool maker…………
Sunak - tax, tax tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, tax,tax………
Me -🥱😴
Red is dead, Green is clean!
Starmer's stance on illegal immigration is terrifying.
100% that enough is enough to not vote labour
Is he going to bring it way down? 🙏
He's a joke. I will not vote Starmer as a Labour member.
@@debo9ineenjoy another tory gov.
48:47 haha Ash, to be fair the Liz Truss klaxon is way more justifiable than the Jeremy Corbyn klaxon! Liz Truss and the permanently higher prices and mortgages we are all paying is still very much a live issue to show why people shouldn’t vote Tory.
We want to hear the debate not stupid background comments.
I need a wheelchair ♿ but the NHS won't give me one, even thoe my legs keep collapsing on me oh and I have been suffering with lack of mobility ever since 2006 almost 20 years
Thanks Aaron for talking over Kier when he was talking about benefits/getting people into work, which is the first time in any of the debates this has been discussed and hugely concerns me as I am disabled/chronically ill. Please stop talking so much over important parts of the debate!
It’s so frustrating. And they don’t say anything of substance either…it’s just pointless babble.
Did Kevin Craig buy his candidacy? 🤔
At some focus group on a momentous day, many years ago now, some wonk found that the idea of a politician being "clear" or "crystal clear" scored highly on some sort of approval scale. Ever since then politicians have been saying how bloody clear they are about everything. I don't know about you, but I would prefer a chiaroscuro politician at this point. An opaque subfusc one. I want one I can only dimly see through a miasma of shadowy confusion.
Sunak and Starmer showing up to deliver the usual predictable slogans and themes. Any AI body doubles would have done better. Anyone still wonders why people are so disenchanted with politics? 😌😌😌
Pension is not a benefit, you pay for it through your NI Contributions. Howver, the administration of it is managed through the benefits system
Rishi's behaviour is very childish, constantly interrupting deliberately.
Stammer vs suck nic
don't worry there was hundreds of us from nottingham protesting the debate! u can hear us through their mics
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 stunning and brave
Was Helena [No Justice] there ? I know she lives in Notts .
Should of all been arrested with heavy fines
@@explorecheap it's called democracy babe, its legal to protest, search it up xxx
@@uni4764 that's not democracy its a rabble, a mob.........all the Palestine protesters should be jailed....
Both of their fathers made tools.
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The reason it's difficult for people to get a home is because you turned it into a commodity.
This is why I was disappointed that Labour even under Corbyn didn't follow up on the "Land for the Many" recommendations on introducing LVT and having a Common Land Trust to help buy up Land under the bricks and mortar. I'm a LibDem myself but even I think all parties haven't addressed the fundamental issue of reenvisioning how we view Land not as private assets but into communal/community benefits.
Building 150k council houses a year is a good start from the LibDems and Greens but we need to change how we view Land entirely. We also need to move away from this British centric view of having to own a property and make rent a viable alternative option. But the issue of land through community land trusts would be such vital in changing the housing market away from being well a market driven area to one of shelter, security and comfort.
I think Greens and LibDems have the best housing policies but still that's just touching the edges of land. How we view ownership needs to change so I will be pushing hard for motions at my party's conference as something needs to change or at least have that debate so if it's rejected by my party can have at least start seeing alternative parties like the Greens take up on it.
The most concerning part of the 2024 General Election is that we are guaranteed a shit show if either of these two are elected yet people are still not looking to the other parties. They can both do whatever the hell they want and nothing will ever change. This country needs to wake up and look at the other parties more seriously.
It is a 2 party system - go find novara's recent interview with Mick Lynch
@@hydra66Saw it 👍 the two party system doesn't work. It needs reform (not Nigel style) but actual reform.
Well it will never change unless we abandon the main two.
I agree and now is our time. The Tories are done for we don't have to worry about them getting in. This is the ideal time to vote for something different. I'm voting WPB The priorities of our leaders need to change.
@@Tilted_Rocketeer We need more than reform we need political and diplomatic change. To unshackle the ties that bind us to the global criminals and get back to focusing on our country with peace and prosperity here and around the world.
If we could get a Labour victory with constituency defeat for Starmer, things could get interesting.
same boring yammerin as the last one. wheres the nitty gritty policy at
6,500 new teachers with the Labour Party. Wow! 🤩 That will help me pay rent! 👏🏽
First time ever, I see no difference, what's so ever in between these two candidates!!!!
One coin with two sides to me!!
Maybe the King could toss a coin to whom forms the next government. Galloway was correct in his analysis about two cheeks of the same bottom. Its a race to the bottom, stop insulting our intelligence.
Yes , STARMER purging Labour of real lefties and drift to the right continues, Rayner will have to tread carefully .
I couldn't even listen to those two w8nkers for 15 minutes. Had to switch off because it's just the same old nonsense.
1:27:23 Nigel Farage can promise young people anything he likes.. he knows he won't be accountable for it. And he can't account for any of it. No point of referencing fantasies.
precisely!
Great coverage from Novara. I really appreciate Ash' supportive comments about how trans people are political footballs, and I would add the Trans Community has been turned into public enemies by Sunak which is disgraceful behaviour from the leader of the country, especially with hate crimes soaring.
He does the same with asylum seekers, disabled people and half the Scottish population.
I am not voting for either these candidates.
No. Why would we?
the billionaire vs the ming vase. there is no hope.
People relating to Sunak because he cares for his kids, is possibly the most sickening thing I've seen. His "little ones" have every advantage the modern world could provide. He hasn't got a clue what it means to worry about your kids future.
Can’t we just say to Sunak we don’t want lower taxes until they sort out public services which are all on their knees. That would benefit all and no5 just a few pennies in the poorest people’s pocket and a whole load of cash for the filthy rich. Services first then reduce tax burden otherwise not interested
Well this is dystopian
The world as a whole seems rather 'dystopian', in my opinion. We, and the world, need to change quite extremely if we're going to survive this chaos.
Also why is pissy Rishi always allowed to lie all of the time.
Starmer , is good at it as well , remember the pledges that got him elected Labour leader.
Because pissy Rishi can’t do anything else!
Because of poor journalism!
Free free Palestine 🤙🏻🍉🇵🇸
My god - Starmer is abysmal, and yet somehow also terrifying.
@@deepblack2193 keeps waffling
like him. horribly comparatively. cos it's wes next.
Tax the rich fund NHS properly and invest in clean energy, manufacturing jobs in solar, wind ,tidal power and other green industries .
Starmer is the new Ritchi and labour the new Tories 😂 it's all in the game
The two main parties is like changing deckchairs on a sinking ship
Politicians promise the earth but never deliver anything.
They aren't promising anything
Starmer’s taken a novel shortcut by promising fuck all - or as Obama dubbed it in his second term, “Change you can believe in.”
Wake me up when they actually say what they are going to do.
Sunak's going to lose his seat and piss off to America Kier Starmer's going to waffle on and let Angie do his job
Starmer,you mean rather more.
👏🏻
Sunak believes in a compassionate welfare system "If you build a man a fire, he'll be warm for the night. But if you set the man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life"
More like cooked
@@keterscp1064Or dead.
Starmer and Sunak only become more similar the more they both speak. Maddening.
There should have been a Labour/Green debate, and then a Tory/Reform debate before Labour/Tory.
Starmer looks shaky because he cannot answer in an honest fashion..Yes or no questions are impossible for Starver to answer .Is Starmer a gardener ? He will process asylum seekers( like tins of peas) and continually grow the economy (like tomatoes ) This tool makers son is an outrage ..I actually trust Sunak with the money .Starmer is FULL of Starmer and he makes no mention of Brexit
Ok tory fan boy
It would he such an easy win to say "we'll tax you ans your tax dodging wife Rishi".
These two way 'debates' should never happen again. Absolute travesty, no voice of reason. Rishi didn't even initiate the transphobia, it was the fucking commentator, why?!? We barely got off it with the prior question, why'd they have to intentionally provoke it?
Red v blue main takeaway..... Greens looking good, tho
As a trans person, seeing the audience loudly applause the pulling of basic human rights and dignity for folks like me, all because the fear mongering around us for years
.....
Utterly heartbreaking. We just want to live in peace.
Yeah no, you're aiming for a bit higher than "just living in peace".
@Diandredofus yes. I will continue to live as a woman, not harming anyone, and hoping my human rights will be respected.
Horrifying!
I completely share your sentiment as did Ash tonight during the debate. We have become political footballs and our leaders have made us into public enemies for the purposes of political distraction.
Well it is a Christian country from what I heard.
Everyone has rights. As long as these rights don’t impinge on each other peoples rights.
Thank you Ash and Aaron for your comments. I wish more people could see this country and the world for what it is. Sadly, they never will. FREE PALESTINE.
F O
Free chocolate 🍫
@@looloo3030 Could you expand on this or are you just ignorant?
I think Sunak should ask himself those questions which he asked Starmer. Because the Conservatives failed on all of them. Sunak was trying very hard to make a comeback. However, it didn't work. Can't wait for next week Thursday. He will be booted out of 10 Downing Street 😅
I so hope! ❤
I'd rather take sunak than the red communist , socialist , bankrupt the UK labour will
Labour be there but I wouldn't want another tyranny of majority &:this time with Starmer. A coalition Govt will cover broader section of the country & keep them on their toes to serve masses reducing poverty and malnutrition among children, reduce class sizes, etc instead of sending taxpayer's money to Ukr to feed the bank accounts of Zelensky's children and arms industries!
@@gs8099 2 sides of the same bum cheek
@gs8099 a coalition government is a no-no! The last one didn't work well. The Conservatives abused their majority. However, if Labour does have a majority government, it doesn't mean they would do the same. History doesn't always repeat itself. Therefore, don't judge Labour.
Free Palestine Protesters
Sunak's main concern is welfare and its costs. What about the cost of feeding the rich? Sunak himself is a very well fed dude. His people are not going to have their taxes raised.
Already voted green today 👍🏽
Me too💚
I think it's where I'm voting
Ah the Greens? Like in Germany? Those warmongers?
Yesss❤🌿
So u wasted ur vote then 😅😂
That nasty streak. It's called being a lawyer and I would know. Great show Novara.
His father was a toolmaker, did you kmow? Lol😅
What nasty streak did you identify in that debate? “Would you mind awfully if I put this point to you?” So nasty!
Awful debate! A weak-willed man and a liar just wasting our time and BBC once again showing why TV licence charge should be forever abolished.
So you prefer round the clock adverts ,Murdoch TV etc ? , the more media outlets and "presenters" seems to mean less journalists and journalism , not many Kate Adie's or John Pilger's around these days .
@@barblessable You could just have the option of a BBC subscription and make it globally available. Heck they could charge a bit more than the TV licence per month, it's popular enough. Open it up ad-free to a global audience and put it behind a paywall rather than people just using VPN to pretend they're in the UK and getting it for free. The current model is outdated.
@@epiphany55 i mean, they've been helping push the whole free market ideology for decades, seems fitting they should have to contend with it themselves
Which is which? 😂
If the British people don't pay for public broadcasting, then someone else will. That someone will not have the interests of the British population as a high priority.
Both as useless as each other. Won't be voting for either.
Vote green or lib Dem instead of Tories ( red , blue and sky blue Tories are all the same but some more radical than others )
Reform UK is becoming a massive protest vote
Why not GG?
No one cares
@@keterscp1064be a wasted vote seeing as it’s basically tories v labour
Ash has a wicked sense of humour! But we couldn't build a wall - we'd spend 20 years planning it and then scrap it.
Great to hear of your support for the RSPB Aaron ! Meanwhile . . . OBLITERATE THE TORIES!
You two presenters talked over too much....should have took notes and discussed at end.
For me, Sunak has always been better in all of these debates. As loathsome as his policies and pisitions are, he's at least got them. Starmer just has empty words delivered robotically. Happy to be prime minister because people are just fed up with the other guy. A damn shame. The state of british politics today.
Sunak is not better. He just shouts and lies
What bothers me is you have other choices but NO you insist on these 2, they are the same. Both look you in the eye and lie.you’ll choose someone like Farage before someone like GG. You pick a Trump person like Farage over GG just to stick it to the 6% of the population they don’t like, you know the 6% you think came over in small boats.
I'll be voting SNP. These two are basically the same party. They have even started sharing the same scandals.
Show off. 😤 😭
You having a laugh. SNP are worse. 100% worse
@@Fran6831Co Hahahahaha, unionist melts really will just say any old sh*t now eh? As bad as the "Reform" bots, always have been.
@@Fran6831CoNever worse. No where near it. Nonsense
SNP want a lot more boats black hole for tax money.
They should have 3 buttons in front of them, "yes", "no", and "i am a fail". And after every question they will need to pick one to activate their mics.
Shout out to the protesters 🇵🇸 Perfect backdrop for Starmer and Sunaks bullshit
@@spencer9928it is if we sell them arms..?
@@spencer9928 The UK sells weapons to Israel and is a military participant in the genocide. This country is also historically responsible for the creation of Israel and land theft from Palestinians in the first place. This is pretty basic stuff lad.
@@spencer9928they've been protesting for a while. Thought after this long you'd know that it's the uk's involvement in the conflict that being protested
I was there, it was incredible to see so many people protesting against genocide.
You guys do an amazing job covering this content! Thank you :)
For as bad as the conservatives are I still don’t trust keir
Does that mean you DO trust the Tories? 😂
That's because he is not to be trusted!!!
Starmer seemed stronger when he was attacking Bozo
Do the sensible thing and vote reform then stop voting for the same two party's and getting no change
Nobody does. He's a snake.
Next time you cover a debate please subtitle the speakers, just so you can commentate without drowning them out.
I want higher taxes and higher public services.
I also think aa currently a lot of NHS areas can't afford to give people wheelchairs, how can one expect a wheelchair user to work if they don't have a wheelchair? Fix the NHS
Terrible video, terrible comments by Ash and Aaron.
Suggestion? If you want to do this kind of reacting videos prepar yourself first and don't do it live so you can Pause it or at least turn the volume down, for your nonsense comments.
Wealth tax now!
Artful dodger is dodgy, both aint getting my vote!
Starmer Used To Head CPS ...unbelievable !!!! got though his career with lies lies and brown nosing
I can't vote for either.
31:15 The problem is that Starmer has a habit of sounding peeved that someone has actually asked him a question they expect answering rather than waffled at.
Kier was not an MP in 2010 and Jeremy had the lowest expenses claim
They both make me feel sick. The only thing worth hearing from this debate was the protestors.
Aaron just talked over the bit most relevant for me about dwp
Why is Wirkers Party not at the debate
Would have been these two doesn't rant on the side. Can't see the original version anywhere....what's the problem with the media
Thank you for acknowledging and responding to Beverly's questions with respect and objectivity, I have no doubt that part of the debate will have little-to-no coverage in the press. I'm glad that Novara is putting more resources into disability issues! Support independent media!!!
I'll be voting Green. The only party giving me ANY hope - which is a rare find in politics.
What a waste of vote jeeeezzzz
Doing the same. I told my mum to do the same. She was gonna vote Labour but can't stand Starmer's lies. But likes the Green's policies, so vote for them and forget the rest.
Same here! Only party I can get behind.
Wasted vote. Wake up
@@craigpearson2189evidently not. I see more and more voting green. I wont this time but next time I probably will.
1:03:15 sometimes they get applause for what they say, sometimes they get applause because they have finally stopped talking
There are several V neglected illnesses (that predominatly affect working age women) stopping people working. They do not have treatments that can get people back to work and the government research funding has been tiny and totally disproportionate to their disease burden.
fibromyalgia - affects 2m, 1/3-1/2 out of work
ME/CFS - affects 300 000, 3/4 out of work
POTS - affects 150 000, 1/4 out of work
“NEW“ LC - partly accounting for increasing sick numbers - affects 2m, 1/4 out of work
They need ramped up research funding
Jayzus: I suppose its less than 2 1/2 hours. I'm gonna watch, but i will post something i made earlier below, after watching the debate, and before listening to anyone's interpretation.
"That debate between Sunak and Starmer was pretty dam good. I couldn't face it last night live, but watched it this morning after like 4 hours sleep or something.
My personal opinion is that Sunak again "won" the debate, if that is at all an applicable term to use in this context. i mean its not a football match type thing from my football era of the early seventies, is it? The Labour manifestos though is a bit like a pre match program, in that it doesn't tell you what's going to happen in the game or what the results table will turn out like after. Sunak exposed this to my mind. At one or two points it was pretty explicit in showing some things very inexplicit in the labour manifesto: Sunak quized Starmer on how he would actually do some of the things he was proposing there, like: stopping the immigration boats, massive public spending projects like ubiquitous mental heath programs everywhere, without massive tax rises, and how Starmer could open up small businesses to the EU without apparently having to re-enter the EU free movement of people as experience has taught is the sting in the tail of any such business deal.
Indeed unless the Labour manifesto is really just a patchwork of a bit of everybody in the labour parties favourite thing, surly they must have answers if they are not just an aggregate of bunch of preferences making no overall total coherence,.i think Sunak exposed the fact that there must be hidden even covert intentions, that Starmer was under strict instructions not to let slip.
In general it was similar to the first leaders debate in that it jsut showed the massive difference between the political experience of actually being in government and the slightly imperfect art of competence during a extra ordinary existential crisis, and being a Critical lawyer, using rules and laws exotically, in trying to make political capital out of it.
Hay i quite like this spontaneous analysis of mine .I think i might break one of my rules and instead of doing each politico RUclipsr their own tailored comment I will just copy and re post this too ‘em. They can bill me, I’m knackered!"
(I posted this to Trigonometry this morning 27/06/24)
23:00 mins in. Man I can't do all this again now. The chats are funny though. One is on their way to Glastonbury.
I have just voted Green in Norwich by postal vote. ❎❎❎They got in at the local elections!!!
Starmer was "Uncle Albert" "during the war"....What a plonker!
Brexit was about the blame game, every PMQs is about blaming the other side, all through this GE contest it's blame the other side for the woes of the country and more woes to come should you vote the other side in. For christs sake say something positive without saying the other side will do it worse than you !!
Welcome to actual politicians 👏🏻🇪🇸😅
@@Arateenteras no these aren’t actual politicians. They have been reduced to moronic robots, caged in by their fear of Murdoch’s media and their corporate benefactors. They’ve perfected the art of giving answers and speeches with all the actual content carefully removed. There HAVE been (and hopefully will be) politicians with vision, but right now, not so much.
They represent the lobbies not the people....WAKE UP...
the law change effected everybody, Birmingham didn't manage it, someone, probably a politician, benefited from ignoring the law.
59:29 Wow it’s something when even Aaron thinks Mishal should step in rather than enjoying the Starmer bashing!
Labour and Kier starmers strategy just seems to be stating that their financial plans are no different to the Tories.
And what, Labour voters are honestly listening to that and thinking, yeah that's good, you'll get my vote? England is nuts.
Vote Reform
Its a sad state of affairs for the BBC when pundits like the ones on this channel know their stuff a lot more than the person coordinating the debate!
Sky news coverage of the debates are much more dynamic imo... this bbc coverage has got antiquated 90s vibes... its like they think 'just put an elegant lady in front of them... it'll be fine'
This “get people back in work”fails to address that many disabling chronic conditions of working age do not have treatments and have negligible research funding to find them.
Rishi says "when people come here illegally and jump the queue"
There isn't a queue for them to join, that's the problem. 🙄
Sunak is vile. I wonder how he talks to his family loool!
Agree
Sunak is a good pm
@@deepblack2193 starmer is gonna destroy the nation BANKRUPT
I've hear the shouting is Boris Johnson's dad, demanding to take part.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸 ✊
No
@@benedict-4965 I swear if I hear “Free Palestine” one more time. 🤯
@@nathanpilgrim-howe3238 FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
@@nathanpilgrim-howe3238what a terrible inconvenience it must be for you 😫
@@TheeMrAbz🤣😭
Worth noting it was not only Starmer and Sunak that essentially ignored Beverly’s question. The host openly said “the question is about getting people back into work” which it was not. That was where Sunak took it too. Thank you Ash and Arron for what you do. Being once able bodied and now disabled I resonate deeply with Beverly’s question and it is consistently clear that disabled people are not cared for by either party nor much of the media outside of virtue signals when it supports them
Both inspire absolute hopelessness, Kier clearly wishes to continue with the neoliberal austerity politics of the 2010's and has no desire or ability to resolve the systemic issues in this country. Im at fault for being mislead into believing him during his leadership campaign in 2020 but cannot vote for him now. Ill vote green out of frustration but feel nothing .
In 4 years time when: the NHS is still on its knees, our water is worse than ever, food and child poverty remains , we're closer to environmental catastrophe , schools are still falling down, public transport is even more expensive, there's no decent jobs outside of major cities, the vast majority of young people cannot afford to move out, councils are still going bankrupt being forced to gamble on private investments, we're woefully unprepared in terms of defense for rising threats, Workers rights and benefits continue to decline, Our key industries are owned and exploited by private finance, our highstreets are barren, disabled and trans people face continued attacks, Police remain systemically racist and corrupt, democratic and civil rights continue to backslide, and as a result of there is no alternative neoliberalism material conditions have declined to the point where polarization has risen and the far right is even more emboldened like in other European states, I wont get any pleasure from saying I told you so.
Neither of these two could buy my vote.
Two sides of the same bsckside but Starmer is a liar, they both represent the rich not us
TBF, Ash, We've no idea what the value of 90% of her trade with Europe actually is.
I would love to work at Hills Biscuits in Ashton -under -Lyne but I could not manage I want to get better but every treatment i have had ,has not worked .I had injections but they didn't help .
What a mess we are in.
I trust the British voter to make it worse
This is a case in point why both the Tories and Labour have been diving in the polls recently
28:00 There has been a steep rise in diability benefit claimants in the past 4 years. Of course that's not a value judgement however ignoring a mass rise in the number of people permanently out of work because of ill health and just talking about in-work poverty and benefits seems a strange tack. One thing to keep in mind is that with the sanctions regime and the pitance one recieves on JSA, disability benefis are more than double in terms of the amount recieved and the assessment regime is not as cruel and precarious (or as frequent) as it was back in the 2010s.
The housing debate is banal. The solution to the problem is not the knee jerk reaction to build more houses. The reason that houses are unaffordable to the young is because of the price of land not the construction cost of the house. The reasons - The Town and Country Palling Act of 1953 100% development charge abolished; 1961 -Land Compensation Act -Hope value included in CPO compensation; 1969 Myers case hope value confirmed. Since 1968 house price index has gone up by 400% meanwhile the price of land has gone up by 800%! Radical solution a land tax.
Or repurpose old housing. There are so many buildings standing empty that it’s criminal.
Have you two interfering hosts thought about pausing the video whilst you are making comments?
Bloody useless!
It was going out live, so how do you suggest they do that?
Can't watch it sorry. Can't stand the sight of either of them... not remotely interesting in anything they have to say.... bin em.