LOL. It's the way we do all our charts. Red is what we are benchmarking. And the XPS is in blue too. But certainly noted for next time we do one of these!
@@jonnypena7651 Vega is dead, Intel didn't even start pushing clocks yet. 4800U runs its iGPU at 1750MHz while 1185G7 only at 1350MHz and still beats it.
9:55 "A lot of you might be thinking: who games on a thin light notebook?" I can answer: I did. Bought a Lenovo ultrabook in 2014, with Intel i7-4500U and HD Graphics 4400. Played ~1000 hours of Skyrim on it. On 720p, medium settings, 40-50 fps. And I was perfectly happy with it at the time, for many years. I wanted a light notebook and was willing to compromise on the games, even though I've been a gamer for whole my life, starting from the 8-bit era. I'm also a person who just bought all the components for an i7-10700K & RTX 3080 build. Nowadays, I have the funding and the will to go that far, but I'm sure there are still many people that are just like I was back then. And for those people, this new Xe generation is very good news. So, you really nailed it with the "Why not?".
@@kasimirdenhertog3516 that's right, I got my order in for an FE. By pure luck, I have to say. But they're still processing the orders, and I'll probably have to wait for the card to arrive at least for a week. And no, not going to sell it. Don't need no dirty scalper money.
Almost. It’s only 4C/8T, but the clocks look good. If they can yield enough for high production, this is awesome for Intel. This may even compete with Zen 3 mobile chips.
@@docbali nah, it will have Golden Cove architecture combined with Gracemont. It will be big.LITTLE. and you can't backport Golden Cove to 14nm. Rocket lake will be last 14nm. and Comet Lake is the last Skylake.
The Ryzen 4000 chips are already much cheaper, and Intel is having yield issues with its 10nm chips. I would not bet on lower prices. However, at least the extra iGPU and single thread performance help justify the higher cost.
@@Austin1990 from the confidence in the clocks and the higher bins I think they are getting very good yields. If the yields are not good it will also show up on the max clocks. 4.8 ghz is really at the top.
It is nice that intel is finally stepping up its game again, but if it will be like last time and there will be a chronical shortage of these mobile cpu's, then it probably won't amount to much.
Yeah. Both AMD and Intel had issues over the last year with supply. I mean look at AMD on the ULV side; their U series only started to be broadly available in the last 60 days.
I know Intel has gotten a lot of flak recently, but they have really stepped it up with 11th gen. These results are amazing! Also, it seem to validate their slide performance figures.
One thing I am not seeing discussed is thermals and clock speed changes under sustained loads. Its all well and good if Tiger Lake has a higher performance ceiling than Ryzen 7 4x00U, but we've seen with Ice Lake how heavy current-draw and thermal management can hobble real-world results... Thanks for the content!
Just a quick compliment: I like how you're explaining stuff like TDP. I'm not super experienced, nor super noob but I think your explanations are pretty useful for anyone watching this stuff.
IDK but I think it will all be a thing of the past when AMD launches their 5000 series CPU. Pricing , battery life and thermals will also a very deciding factor on the success of these tiger lake CPUs considering you can get a 4700u for 650$ ft. Acer Swift 3 which is STONKS! And the 4700u's 7nm architecture gives good battery life and thermals too!
Possibly on the CPU side. But, AMD’s next mobile chip is to use RDNA rather than RDNA2. Iris XE is really far ahead. At least it will make Intel’s prices justifiable.
@@Austin1990 "Iris XE is really far ahead" of RDNA1? Not even close. RDNA1 is 1.5x perf/w compared to GCN5 (Vega). It will eat this iteration fo Iris XE alive. But AMD isnt putting RDNA in mobile chips until 2022. They are going with Vega for the 5000 series and that makes sense. They can just put in 12 Vega CUs that are further optimized inside the mobile chips and add ~30% more gaming performance to beat intels new mobile GPUs. Intel cant really stuff more Graphics in their chip because the GPU portion is already HUGE. They would have to cut the CPU part down to 2 cores to even have room or make a larger chip that costs more and consumes more power. So yeah, the Vega currently in the U chips is actually still pretty competitive considering how cut down it is; it is a much smaller portion of the die than it was in the 3000 mobile chips.
@@ImInYourBrains I guess Intel will try to increase die sizes, if their 10nm node can handle it. I'm not sure that AMD can improve mobile Vega that much, but it is possible. Intel will not be sitting still either.\ Regarding Rembrandt at the end of 2021, it will use Navi. But, mobile Vega is much better than the desktop Vega. I think Intel will put up a good fight in the iGPU space over the next few years. I don't see AMD trampling Intel's iGPU as in the past.
@@Austin1990 @Austin P intel increase die sizes? RIP to their yields. TSMC's 5nm process is already ahead of schedule. Plenty of improvement available without even going into a new architecture. I dont know why u think mobile vega is better than desktop vega... The power and heat constraints alone on desktop vs laptop gives it an obvious edge. And of course if u need a gpu... Just get mx 450, fast cheap and power efficient
Patrick Star Intel plans to release a 8C/16T CPU with an iGPu next year, so we will have to see what happens. I wonder if we will even see many Tiger Lake chips. Vega in Ryzen Mobile has significant power optimizations, like 50% more performance per watt over the Vega for desktop. And, in general, Vega for desktop was pushed far beyond its efficiency voltage/frequency. Down clocking it and improving the efficiency helped a lot.
Seems like skylake finally is about to dry out, all the water is flowing down the river to the Tiger Lake! Xe seems really good, too! But the heat and battery life is an open question still.
Really interesting video. I think you did a good job, showing the strenghts and weaknesses. I work for one of the biggest hardware retailers in Germany and I'm sure these CPUs will be interesting to a meaningful amount of customers, because of their decent graphics performance. I'd love to see the bigger graphics chips paired with some of the slower models, though. Like this, the decent graphics will only be on laptops that are priced high enough to get one with a dedicated graphics card anyway. It's still an advantage concerning power draw and therefore battery life though.
This is good to see from Intel and I knew they would deliver. As for the Tiger Lake CPUS, the one 👀 eye popper for me was the 4266 speed memory. 😳 WOW! I hope they release chips based on this architecture soon for the desktop space. (:
The 10nm yields still seem too poor to make chips larger than 4C/8T. But, the GPU is really amazing. The single core performance is good, maybe good enough to compete with AMD’s H mobile series. But, the multi core performance will be so far behind AMD.
@@Austin1990 6:55 single core performance is outstanding. even the 10900K, which is the best CPU when it comes to ST scores 234 in Cinebench r15 ST. these CPUs are very good when it comes to ST.
Ahsan Qureshi Indeed. Unfortunately, they boost to 4.8GHz, which means that the IPC isn’t that much better than Comet Lake, unless they are not maintaining 4.8GHz the entire time. This is the best of Willow Cove, so I am trying to determine what performance to expect from Rocket Lake, the 14nm back port of Willow Cove.
You still have to remember that these chips have half as many cores as 4700u which is important for multitasking. Nobody just performs excel operations with nothing else running on their laptop. Also, these 11th gen chips will almost certainly be less power efficient and more expensive than similarly performing AMD chips. And AMD is not standing still. By the time these 11th gens become widely available, AMD may have even more competitive offerings.
I'm curious to hear qualitative analysis of normal workloads on production models. I assume that 8 threads are enough for at least a few single threaded tasks. I hope to hear about realistic gaming scenarios with a game + discord as well. I agree with you that AMD may once again step ahead of Intel once they launch. The proof however, will be in the pudding.
Super happy with my Omen 15 4800h is an absolute monster. Literally got rid of my Ryzen desktop.... it's THAT good. Temps NEVER go above 70c either in intense workloads.
When comparing team blue and team red processors, it's confusing not given the processors the respective colors. I guess what you were trying to show, was new tests (processors) vs old (processors). Thanks for the early review :)
AMD has done great, but they are still years ahead of AMD. Although CPU performance has become VERY competitive, Intel has shown 14nm+++++ (or whatever it is now) and 10nm can easily compete and sometimes beat AMD's 7nm. Intel may have stayed on one node for years, but they got damn good at that node to the point where when they move on, the performance will be absolutely unprecedented when they inevitable go head to head on 7nm or 5nm.
"Intel has shown 14nm+++++ (or whatever it is now) and 10nm can easily compete" Yeah, by running so god damn hot and/or consuming so much power and watts. :P
@@mathunit1 Both the 10900k and 3950X use a similar amount of wattage, do not be blinded by TDP which is not an accurate indicator of actual power usage. A 10900k only hits about 81C with a Kraken x62 with a 5.2ghz overclock and while warm, definitely not a dangerous temperature. The same Kraken x62 can only keep a Ryzen 9 3950X at 4.4ghz and 87C. So the i9 is not a hot processor at any means and still is competitive being it is 14nm and can achieve better single core and clocks than a R9 3950X. The 3950x can however do better in multi core, but that's to be expected when it has more cores. Of course it (i9) will use more watts to achieve higher clocks, but seeing as it still keeps cooler temps under OC is definitely not something that you can brush off. And I don't really remember the last time someone really cared about how many watts a CPU consumes, most people go way over the amount of power needed with a PSU. an i9 10900k and 2080 TI run great on only 750 watts.
@@ready1player31 firstly...TDP is actually used to calculate power usage( that is how PC part picker and all suggests power supplies). Only in the case of intel processors is TDP not accurate. Most of the time when intel says it has a TDP of 65 the processor goes to 75-80 at peak( even my laptop, which is running a 9300H and in balanced has its power range at 40-80 & in performance is 70-107. It is a 45W chip - Legion Y540 if u want to check). Whereas AMD's TDP is always the peak TDP. This has been showed many times. Even in case of threadripper, where they said the TDP was 300W, it consumed at max in tests 300W.( Source - LTT). About thermal...I don't know where you got the temperature results, but from what I have seen AMD's 3950X runs cooler than your listing. Optimum Tech was able to cool a 3950X and 2080 with a single 140MM custom AiO in the NZXT H1. Yes intel's is running at 5+ and AMD is at 4.4 but AMD is powering 6 more cores. That's 50%+ cores than what the intel chip has. Considering the heat and power output, that is more impressive than intel's 14+++++++++. Unlike intel, AMD hasn't been optimising their architecture for 5+ yrs and yet still gets these results. FYI alot people care about power consumption. Electricity is not the same price in all countries. There are alot of production studio of vfx etc here in India and they care about power consumption as their machines run for 12+ hrs some time and that builds up their bill with power not being very cheap.
First off, intels 10nm is equivalent to TSMCs 7nm. Intels arch on 10nm is better in single threaded workloads but their "glue" is not as good as AMDs infinity fabric and their arch doesnt scale to high core counts as well as AMDs arch. Intels tech has had all kinds of problems and was 2 generations ahead of AMD in 2017. AMD has all but caught up, and is set to take the lead with ZEN 3 coming out for desktops in 1 month. Intel is not years ahead of AMD. They used to be. Now they are playing catch up. That is what Tigerlake is. It is catchup because it doesnt beat the AMD 4000u series as strongly as AMD 4000u beat icelake. In fact, when both are at 15W configurations, performance is about the same overall even in gaming and yet AMD still destroys in multithreaded performance and Tigerlake is coming out 6 months after AMD 4000u series was release. Intel is playing catchup for sure and they will get beat again next march by the 5000u series. The one thing that should be clear by now is that INTEL has been fumbling things since before 2016 while AMD has been on a roll going on 3 years. They made a generational leap EVERY YEAR since 2016. In the good old day, Intel and AMD (when they were actually competitive) made a generational leap once EVERY TWO YEARS. AMDs strategy is simple and they even mentioned it in their slides. They have doubled the speed of improvement and development and maintain a regular schedule of product releases. They dont delay; they meet all deadlines. Its really amazing to see. Wish I bought AMD stock when it was $2.
@@unclemooaoe ive been using computers since 1982. Never used any zip or rar lzx lha 7z etc in like 20years or more. I uncompress them but never compress
Just checked some geekbench 5 scores. It scores 1600 for single core 6100 for multi core for a quad core CPU That is 5% performance loss to heat in multi core If they move to hexa core design with same clock speed but higher W CPU with 10% loss to multi core performance from heat it will still score 8640 for multi core. That would be Noice.
in the shop: Would you like to choose the intel i7-1185G7 or want the amd 4700u variant? I-I waaaana chooose the intel i7 eleven uhm ohm... ye the amd 4700u >
@@HardwareCanucks I think the joke here is on the stupid naming convention intel came up with. I mean, it kind of makes sense when you think about it, but it's a bit messy.
@@Austin1990, intel: what should be the name of our next mobile processor? Employee: I have an idea sir. *sits on keyboard* Ceo: you are a genius Rick.
I have a Dell Inspiron 5575 with Ryzen 5 2500U. I have games enough on my laptop that the W key quit working. Easier to plug in a USB keyboard than to replace laptop keyboard. I know I don't need a new laptop but keep finding myself shopping Ryzen 7 4800 laptops.
can you guys make a headset review on the hyperx cloud flight S? there aren't many videos of it on YT and knowing you guys aee one of the best when it comes to peripheral reviews I would love to see a vid from you.
Their 14nm desktop chips fully unlocked and overclocked is going to be nearly impossible to beat. They should release a 20,000 series 14nm desktop k series. Just beef the node up and release special editions to celebrate the node for high performance gaming
It'll be very interesting to see how Tiger Lake processors compare to Ryzen at the same price point. That being said, the gen over gen improvements are extremely impressive. Good job competition!
Tiger Lake is a great showing from Intel, really pushing the envelope on performance for laptops. It will probably kick ass on the desktop too. Trouble is, I think it may be too little too late. If the rumors about Zen 3 are true, then we're looking at 15-20% better IPC, higher clocks, much better integer performance, unified cache (so reduced latencies, which have been plaguing Ryzen so far) and possibly the addition of Navi based graphics on their APUs. Vega has been a nice workhorse so far, but it's what? A 4 year old design at this point? It's been improved, it's been enhanced, but it's still GCN and GCN belongs to the museum now. Once they decide to scale their Navi stuff down, Xe is toast. The fact that in 4 short years, it went to Intel playing catch up with AMD is astoudning. I hope Intel does well and that AMD get the motivation they need to keep improving at the current breakneck pace.
It blows my mind how Amd is now the top laptop CPU, but Intel is the dominant igpu! I love igpus and AMD was always pushing these topic since the first gen APUs, but now intel stepped up. Hope to see the Xe iGPU on the mid tier CPUs instead of just the top i7 cpus.
Looking at your results, I don't find any reason to switch to anything away from Intel. These guys are dominating by huge margin in both CPU & GPU. Btw: I am still using Dell laptop with Intel i7 8th Gen and internal graphics for all my gaming. That was already dream come true.
AMD's hardware accelerated video encoding is not baked in to Premiere by default, I usually use Voukoder's plugin to enable AMD AMF, only then I can comfortably encode faster than realtime
Someone did a test on R6S (pretty sure it was Dave2D) and got 112fps on low so its pretty much playable on medium settings. Safe to saw that whoever bought a 10th gen Intel laptop now has bad luck
I realize this is a light-weight and battery emphasis model, but I prefer DDR4 over LPDDR4-any flavor. If that means giving up battery , then ok. It might be interesting if HW + OS could work together in making a mixed DDR/LPDDR system, using DDR for critical sections, with LPDDR for bulk. The primary CPU load of MS Office is unzipping the file on open, and zip on save. This is single (with some dual) thread. so it might be helpful for someone to figure out multi-thread compression for the larger documents
Can you provide standard deviation for those averages at 10:22? Having the 1% low framerate be close to half of the average is concerning for playability, hopefully it's just a few lagging frames here and there?
I5 1135g7 vs I7 1185g7 16+512, similar performance on daily usage? (Office,basic photoshop,music recording and editing, browsing) I7 worth the upgrade?
In the benchmark slides, Blue color should have been assigned to Intel and Red for AMD... Blue is kind of natural fit for Intel. Got confused seeing the slide every time.
I'm drawing some parallels with the RTX 3080. Tiger Lake seems to be better than it really is because Ice Lake was a disappointment, not unlike the 20-series was for Nvidia.
9:55 Who games on a thin and light ? A lot of people.( internationally ) Why do you think they're trying to do better in this segment ? It's an untapped market with a lot of cash to be made. If i had the choice for a okay thin vs very powerful heavy laptop it's almost always going to be the thin and light because it had many more use cases than just gaming. Apt for a first "computer" in the house. For ultra graphics gaming just get a pc sometime later.
Yeah this is interesting until you realize that they equipped the Tiger Lake with lpddr4x memory at 4266MHz and still charging premium prices for a 4 core 8 thread cpu
i got the 1065g7 and love it but the gpu is weak and i never thought that intel could fix that with the 1165g7 so i bought it and now i hope they keep it going like that so in 5 years i would buy a very good thin and light again from asus that has intel i like them
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Putting intel's numbers in red and amd's in blue...
Yeah I don't get it at all
I was about to comment that because it completely confused me.
No, it's just tiger lake in red, every other cpu they are comparing to in blue. There is a 1065G7 in blue.
LOL. It's the way we do all our charts. Red is what we are benchmarking. And the XPS is in blue too. But certainly noted for next time we do one of these!
@@HardwareCanucks just throw in green to really throw people off lol
Why were AMD graphs blue and Intel graphs red that was so confusing.
Because Amd make Intel bleed?
yet they made amd gpu bleed lmao
@@mangshu21 in other reviews barely beat it, Zen 3 with another Vega refresh would be enough.
why do people notice these things when I dont XD
@@jonnypena7651 Vega is dead, Intel didn't even start pushing clocks yet. 4800U runs its iGPU at 1750MHz while 1185G7 only at 1350MHz and still beats it.
9:55 "A lot of you might be thinking: who games on a thin light notebook?"
I can answer: I did. Bought a Lenovo ultrabook in 2014, with Intel i7-4500U and HD Graphics 4400. Played ~1000 hours of Skyrim on it. On 720p, medium settings, 40-50 fps. And I was perfectly happy with it at the time, for many years. I wanted a light notebook and was willing to compromise on the games, even though I've been a gamer for whole my life, starting from the 8-bit era.
I'm also a person who just bought all the components for an i7-10700K & RTX 3080 build. Nowadays, I have the funding and the will to go that far, but I'm sure there are still many people that are just like I was back then. And for those people, this new Xe generation is very good news.
So, you really nailed it with the "Why not?".
Wow....thanks ...one guys it means alot....LOL
You’ve bagged a 3080? 😳 You could fetch a pretty penny for that 🤑
@@kasimirdenhertog3516 that's right, I got my order in for an FE. By pure luck, I have to say. But they're still processing the orders, and I'll probably have to wait for the card to arrive at least for a week.
And no, not going to sell it. Don't need no dirty scalper money.
Well, you can game at anything if you try
@@MrBangijal low spec gamer taught me an important skill called game files manipulation, since that day I can play all my games
It's almost as if Intel fixed their 10nm, 4 years late.
Almost. It’s only 4C/8T, but the clocks look good. If they can yield enough for high production, this is awesome for Intel. This may even compete with Zen 3 mobile chips.
so 10nm desktop is coming?
@@megapet777 next year
@@ahsanqureshi786 people said that about Rocket Lake S last year. Have my doubts about Alder Lake S
@@docbali nah, it will have Golden Cove architecture combined with Gracemont. It will be big.LITTLE. and you can't backport Golden Cove to 14nm. Rocket lake will be last 14nm. and Comet Lake is the last Skylake.
interesting on how Intel Iris has become a breaktrhough on a thin and light notebook performance
Yeah pretty nuts. And with super early drivers too. AMD needs to step it up and move beyond Vega AND Navi.
wow.... first time seeing a reveiwer visiting other reviewer channel 🤣🤣 especially the verified ones
Hardware Canucks Isn’t NAVI still doing well?
Competition is a beautiful thing
@@HardwareCanucks AMD is developing APU with Zen 2 or 3 I think with Navi/RDNA2 inside, the chip is said to be at maximum 28W TDP.
At this point the naming scheme just looks like a phone number
You AMD fanboys always have to find something to complain about. Take your ass kicking and accept it. Humble pie.
@@mahn540 ok.
Mahn Miyakawa i feel like it wasn’t supposed to be taken seriously
@@mahn540 dont cry
Thank you AMD for this competition!!!
It's nice to see how intel have to give more to customers to compete :)
This is great, more competition, better prices for us buyers
The Ryzen 4000 chips are already much cheaper, and Intel is having yield issues with its 10nm chips. I would not bet on lower prices. However, at least the extra iGPU and single thread performance help justify the higher cost.
@@Austin1990 from the confidence in the clocks and the higher bins I think they are getting very good yields. If the yields are not good it will also show up on the max clocks. 4.8 ghz is really at the top.
@@Austin1990 I think Intel is having Yield issues on 7nm. Iirc, 10nm is already resolved.
Tigers will be very expensive....from my sources what I know.
@@FlanK3rCZ sources?
It is nice that intel is finally stepping up its game again, but if it will be like last time and there will be a chronical shortage of these mobile cpu's, then it probably won't amount to much.
Yeah. Both AMD and Intel had issues over the last year with supply. I mean look at AMD on the ULV side; their U series only started to be broadly available in the last 60 days.
Good point and I wish it was easier to get a hold of modern chips. :-(
Hardware Canucks
Was that due mostly to demand from people in lockdown, though? Intel has had significant yield issues for 10nm.
@@HardwareCanucks yeah I was desperately waiting and couldn't hold out any longer and now they are coming to market :s
I know Intel has gotten a lot of flak recently, but they have really stepped it up with 11th gen. These results are amazing! Also, it seem to validate their slide performance figures.
Thankfully they didn’t have to “promote” their chips on certain workloads. They could show us they did make improvements all around. (:
@@WarriorsPhoto And they did
Hardware Canucks Yes they did. (:
Just imagine how much this i7 will cost in thin and light.. I'm imagining anywhere between 1000-1200$ ... For fuck sake hell no !!!!
Sami Hyppia That’s a fair price. 😂
Anyone else agree that your voice is so relaxing to hear?
RTX 3080 buyers need to listen :D
you guys have really stepped up the production value of the videos in terms of video quality and audio quality, good job
One thing I am not seeing discussed is thermals and clock speed changes under sustained loads. Its all well and good if Tiger Lake has a higher performance ceiling than Ryzen 7 4x00U, but we've seen with Ice Lake how heavy current-draw and thermal management can hobble real-world results...
Thanks for the content!
What an interesting time to be alive!
Finally we can be happy as consumers
Just a quick compliment: I like how you're explaining stuff like TDP. I'm not super experienced, nor super noob but I think your explanations are pretty useful for anyone watching this stuff.
Your real-world benchmarks are great. Including such a wide variety of applications from Word to Matlab is super, super helpful.
As someone who uses Matlab in uni, thanks for including a Matlab benchmark
matlab is intel only for ages because it slows amd down on purpose. It doesnt use avx on amd despite the cores having it.
Awesome comparisons charts! As a Matlab user I appreciate that you included it in your charts
Thanks for the matlab benchmark, you are really making engineers everywhere very happy!
The new integrated GPU is quite the little beast.
I was worry about the core count on intel but boi... those gaming results in an unoptimized CPU are pretty amazing
2021 is gonna be sick
It will gonna wild make cpu released on 2020 or bellow become irrelevant 😂
Intel Tiger lake mobile, Intel Alder lake-S (12th gen), AMD Ryzen 4000 dekstop & 5000 mobile, nvidia GeForce RTX 30 series, AMD Radeon RX 6000 series. Yeah cant wait for 2021 !!!!!!
IDK but I think it will all be a thing of the past when AMD launches their 5000 series CPU. Pricing , battery life and thermals will also a very deciding factor on the success of these tiger lake CPUs considering you can get a 4700u for 650$ ft. Acer Swift 3 which is STONKS! And the 4700u's 7nm architecture gives good battery life and thermals too!
Possibly on the CPU side. But, AMD’s next mobile chip is to use RDNA rather than RDNA2. Iris XE is really far ahead. At least it will make Intel’s prices justifiable.
@@Austin1990 "Iris XE is really far ahead"
of RDNA1? Not even close. RDNA1 is 1.5x perf/w compared to GCN5 (Vega). It will eat this iteration fo Iris XE alive. But AMD isnt putting RDNA in mobile chips until 2022. They are going with Vega for the 5000 series and that makes sense. They can just put in 12 Vega CUs that are further optimized inside the mobile chips and add ~30% more gaming performance to beat intels new mobile GPUs. Intel cant really stuff more Graphics in their chip because the GPU portion is already HUGE. They would have to cut the CPU part down to 2 cores to even have room or make a larger chip that costs more and consumes more power. So yeah, the Vega currently in the U chips is actually still pretty competitive considering how cut down it is; it is a much smaller portion of the die than it was in the 3000 mobile chips.
@@ImInYourBrains
I guess Intel will try to increase die sizes, if their 10nm node can handle it. I'm not sure that AMD can improve mobile Vega that much, but it is possible. Intel will not be sitting still either.\
Regarding Rembrandt at the end of 2021, it will use Navi. But, mobile Vega is much better than the desktop Vega. I think Intel will put up a good fight in the iGPU space over the next few years. I don't see AMD trampling Intel's iGPU as in the past.
@@Austin1990 @Austin P intel increase die sizes? RIP to their yields.
TSMC's 5nm process is already ahead of schedule. Plenty of improvement available without even going into a new architecture.
I dont know why u think mobile vega is better than desktop vega... The power and heat constraints alone on desktop vs laptop gives it an obvious edge.
And of course if u need a gpu... Just get mx 450, fast cheap and power efficient
Patrick Star
Intel plans to release a 8C/16T CPU with an iGPu next year, so we will have to see what happens. I wonder if we will even see many Tiger Lake chips.
Vega in Ryzen Mobile has significant power optimizations, like 50% more performance per watt over the Vega for desktop. And, in general, Vega for desktop was pushed far beyond its efficiency voltage/frequency. Down clocking it and improving the efficiency helped a lot.
those new logos look clean
4 cores 8 threads? Wooooow super NEW tech...
the sky is the limit, I hope it's not skylake though :))
Seems like skylake finally is about to dry out, all the water is flowing down the river to the Tiger Lake! Xe seems really good, too! But the heat and battery life is an open question still.
@@fie1329 Skylake will always be remembered.
@@ahsanqureshi786 truly a legend although we bash this architecture for years
Still running Skylake i5 with poorly designed cooler on an HP :(
And it's also what we as the consumer need, competition is always great for the price and innovation, thanks for the different wind content Eber
Really interesting video. I think you did a good job, showing the strenghts and weaknesses. I work for one of the biggest hardware retailers in Germany and I'm sure these CPUs will be interesting to a meaningful amount of customers, because of their decent graphics performance. I'd love to see the bigger graphics chips paired with some of the slower models, though. Like this, the decent graphics will only be on laptops that are priced high enough to get one with a dedicated graphics card anyway. It's still an advantage concerning power draw and therefore battery life though.
Damn, you flipped the colours in the charts!
Glad to see INTEL slowly waking up, they need to also make some effort on pricing as well because their laptops are generally very overpriced...
Thanks for testing Matlab, very useful information!
This is good to see from Intel and I knew they would deliver.
As for the Tiger Lake CPUS, the one 👀 eye popper for me was the 4266 speed memory. 😳 WOW!
I hope they release chips based on this architecture soon for the desktop space. (:
I wonder how close we are to ddr5
The 10nm yields still seem too poor to make chips larger than 4C/8T. But, the GPU is really amazing. The single core performance is good, maybe good enough to compete with AMD’s H mobile series. But, the multi core performance will be so far behind AMD.
@@Austin1990 6:55 single core performance is outstanding. even the 10900K, which is the best CPU when it comes to ST scores 234 in Cinebench r15 ST. these CPUs are very good when it comes to ST.
Ahsan Qureshi
Indeed. Unfortunately, they boost to 4.8GHz, which means that the IPC isn’t that much better than Comet Lake, unless they are not maintaining 4.8GHz the entire time. This is the best of Willow Cove, so I am trying to determine what performance to expect from Rocket Lake, the 14nm back port of Willow Cove.
megapet777 Oh now that’s a great question. (:
This is the only video that really shares facts and not just mostly irrelevant criticism of intel.
Intel: "250% performance boost!"
OEM: "Only priced at $1899!"
Damn
If intel released TGL 6 months ago, Zen2 would still be facing a challenge in laptops.
nah don't think so
Intel is 4 years late
*Change my mind
You, Marques and Dave2D have the CLEANEST tech videos. Thank you for the content.
Jackson Welch mkbh just reviews apple products and phones, you can’t compare mkbhd to dave and hwc, its like saying ijustine is a tech tuber 😂
You still have to remember that these chips have half as many cores as 4700u which is important for multitasking. Nobody just performs excel operations with nothing else running on their laptop. Also, these 11th gen chips will almost certainly be less power efficient and more expensive than similarly performing AMD chips. And AMD is not standing still. By the time these 11th gens become widely available, AMD may have even more competitive offerings.
I'm curious to hear qualitative analysis of normal workloads on production models. I assume that 8 threads are enough for at least a few single threaded tasks. I hope to hear about realistic gaming scenarios with a game + discord as well.
I agree with you that AMD may once again step ahead of Intel once they launch. The proof however, will be in the pudding.
Super happy with my Omen 15 4800h is an absolute monster. Literally got rid of my Ryzen desktop.... it's THAT good. Temps NEVER go above 70c either in intense workloads.
@Sagaris Studio following for my next catch
Thank you. Look forward to Quicksync results.
When comparing team blue and team red processors, it's confusing not given the processors the respective colors. I guess what you were trying to show, was new tests (processors) vs old (processors). Thanks for the early review :)
I'm an amd fan and I am really looking forward to Intel's graphics cards hopefully they learned their lesson
AMD has done great, but they are still years ahead of AMD. Although CPU performance has become VERY competitive, Intel has shown 14nm+++++ (or whatever it is now) and 10nm can easily compete and sometimes beat AMD's 7nm. Intel may have stayed on one node for years, but they got damn good at that node to the point where when they move on, the performance will be absolutely unprecedented when they inevitable go head to head on 7nm or 5nm.
"Intel has shown 14nm+++++ (or whatever it is now) and 10nm can easily compete"
Yeah, by running so god damn hot and/or consuming so much power and watts. :P
@@mathunit1 Both the 10900k and 3950X use a similar amount of wattage, do not be blinded by TDP which is not an accurate indicator of actual power usage. A 10900k only hits about 81C with a Kraken x62 with a 5.2ghz overclock and while warm, definitely not a dangerous temperature. The same Kraken x62 can only keep a Ryzen 9 3950X at 4.4ghz and 87C. So the i9 is not a hot processor at any means and still is competitive being it is 14nm and can achieve better single core and clocks than a R9 3950X. The 3950x can however do better in multi core, but that's to be expected when it has more cores. Of course it (i9) will use more watts to achieve higher clocks, but seeing as it still keeps cooler temps under OC is definitely not something that you can brush off. And I don't really remember the last time someone really cared about how many watts a CPU consumes, most people go way over the amount of power needed with a PSU. an i9 10900k and 2080 TI run great on only 750 watts.
@@ready1player31 firstly...TDP is actually used to calculate power usage( that is how PC part picker and all suggests power supplies). Only in the case of intel processors is TDP not accurate. Most of the time when intel says it has a TDP of 65 the processor goes to 75-80 at peak( even my laptop, which is running a 9300H and in balanced has its power range at 40-80 & in performance is 70-107. It is a 45W chip - Legion Y540 if u want to check). Whereas AMD's TDP is always the peak TDP. This has been showed many times. Even in case of threadripper, where they said the TDP was 300W, it consumed at max in tests 300W.( Source - LTT). About thermal...I don't know where you got the temperature results, but from what I have seen AMD's 3950X runs cooler than your listing. Optimum Tech was able to cool a 3950X and 2080 with a single 140MM custom AiO in the NZXT H1. Yes intel's is running at 5+ and AMD is at 4.4 but AMD is powering 6 more cores. That's 50%+ cores than what the intel chip has. Considering the heat and power output, that is more impressive than intel's 14+++++++++. Unlike intel, AMD hasn't been optimising their architecture for 5+ yrs and yet still gets these results. FYI alot people care about power consumption. Electricity is not the same price in all countries. There are alot of production studio of vfx etc here in India and they care about power consumption as their machines run for 12+ hrs some time and that builds up their bill with power not being very cheap.
First off, intels 10nm is equivalent to TSMCs 7nm. Intels arch on 10nm is better in single threaded workloads but their "glue" is not as good as AMDs infinity fabric and their arch doesnt scale to high core counts as well as AMDs arch. Intels tech has had all kinds of problems and was 2 generations ahead of AMD in 2017. AMD has all but caught up, and is set to take the lead with ZEN 3 coming out for desktops in 1 month. Intel is not years ahead of AMD. They used to be. Now they are playing catch up. That is what Tigerlake is. It is catchup because it doesnt beat the AMD 4000u series as strongly as AMD 4000u beat icelake. In fact, when both are at 15W configurations, performance is about the same overall even in gaming and yet AMD still destroys in multithreaded performance and Tigerlake is coming out 6 months after AMD 4000u series was release. Intel is playing catchup for sure and they will get beat again next march by the 5000u series.
The one thing that should be clear by now is that INTEL has been fumbling things since before 2016 while AMD has been on a roll going on 3 years. They made a generational leap EVERY YEAR since 2016. In the good old day, Intel and AMD (when they were actually competitive) made a generational leap once EVERY TWO YEARS. AMDs strategy is simple and they even mentioned it in their slides. They have doubled the speed of improvement and development and maintain a regular schedule of product releases. They dont delay; they meet all deadlines. Its really amazing to see. Wish I bought AMD stock when it was $2.
Who even uses winrar for compression? 99.9% of the time people will use it for decompression
Businesses I guess
Then who compress those file ???
yeah, pretty useless test. same with blender, who runs blender on a laptop?.
7zip is more realistic
@@unclemooaoe ive been using computers since 1982. Never used any zip or rar lzx lha 7z etc in like 20years or more. I uncompress them but never compress
I hope AMD step up their APU game, this is gonna be an interesting competition
Just checked some geekbench 5 scores.
It scores 1600 for single core
6100 for multi core for a quad core CPU
That is 5% performance loss to heat in multi core
If they move to hexa core design with same clock speed but higher W CPU with 10% loss to multi core performance from heat it will still score 8640 for multi core.
That would be Noice.
Jakob True
Is this better than the AMD ryzen 7 4700u? Been looking to get a new laptop! Thank you!
in the shop:
Would you like to choose the intel i7-1185G7 or want the amd 4700u variant?
I-I waaaana chooose the intel i7 eleven uhm ohm... ye the amd 4700u >
For us, it depends on price TBH. Intel needs to work with partners and have a broader range of prices for their Ultrabooks.
intel naming scheme is really sucks
@@HardwareCanucks I think the joke here is on the stupid naming convention intel came up with. I mean, it kind of makes sense when you think about it, but it's a bit messy.
trckojr ohhhh
I'm waiting for Amd 5th gen 🤣
Have you got a chance to test the MSI Prestige 15 final product?
I wish you'd include DaVinci benchmarks as well. For many people paying for Premiere doesn't make sense because they only do minor video editing.
i really like those fancy names from intel
To be fair. They have a lot of cpu in the same generation from server, desktop, laptop, ultrabook(low power cpu), non iGPU cpu etc etc
roy k
Eh, they obviously let engineers name their chips, though.
@@Austin1990, intel: what should be the name of our next mobile processor?
Employee: I have an idea sir. *sits on keyboard*
Ceo: you are a genius Rick.
I have a Dell Inspiron 5575 with Ryzen 5 2500U. I have games enough on my laptop that the W key quit working. Easier to plug in a USB keyboard than to replace laptop keyboard.
I know I don't need a new laptop but keep finding myself shopping Ryzen 7 4800 laptops.
What about the core i5 1135g7?
Amazing video thanks
i bought an icelake laptop and returned it for a ryzen 4700u. this doesnt change my mind.
can you guys make a headset review on the hyperx cloud flight S?
there aren't many videos of it on YT and knowing you guys aee one of the best when it comes to peripheral reviews I would love to see a vid from you.
People asking about who games on a thin-and-light either have 2 machines or never leave the house. Xe looks amazing
Their 14nm desktop chips fully unlocked and overclocked is going to be nearly impossible to beat.
They should release a 20,000 series 14nm desktop k series.
Just beef the node up and release special editions to celebrate the node for high performance gaming
It'll be very interesting to see how Tiger Lake processors compare to Ryzen at the same price point. That being said, the gen over gen improvements are extremely impressive. Good job competition!
THAT is the major question here isn't it?
Thank God for AMD for providing the competition
plot twist the same company owns intel and amd
@@TheAgentAssassin plot twist ur delusional
@@Jim-bh2tb plot twist it's a joke
@@charlesdomain9196 plot twist i know
Plot twist, Trump is daddy
Tiger Lake is a great showing from Intel, really pushing the envelope on performance for laptops. It will probably kick ass on the desktop too. Trouble is, I think it may be too little too late. If the rumors about Zen 3 are true, then we're looking at 15-20% better IPC, higher clocks, much better integer performance, unified cache (so reduced latencies, which have been plaguing Ryzen so far) and possibly the addition of Navi based graphics on their APUs. Vega has been a nice workhorse so far, but it's what? A 4 year old design at this point? It's been improved, it's been enhanced, but it's still GCN and GCN belongs to the museum now. Once they decide to scale their Navi stuff down, Xe is toast. The fact that in 4 short years, it went to Intel playing catch up with AMD is astoudning. I hope Intel does well and that AMD get the motivation they need to keep improving at the current breakneck pace.
I think there is a mistake in each of your graph. Ryzen 4700U and 4800U are rated at 15W TDP, NOT 35W.
yep. I think maybe he confused the tdp with the 38W PL1 which is actually equivalent to intels PL2 (of 53W).
That premiere chart alone. 👀
It blows my mind how Amd is now the top laptop CPU, but Intel is the dominant igpu!
I love igpus and AMD was always pushing these topic since the first gen APUs, but now intel stepped up.
Hope to see the Xe iGPU on the mid tier CPUs instead of just the top i7 cpus.
it is clearly a lenovo partnered laptop, nice hint when he compared the side profiles stacked up
Looking at your results, I don't find any reason to switch to anything away from Intel. These guys are dominating by huge margin in both CPU & GPU.
Btw: I am still using Dell laptop with Intel i7 8th Gen and internal graphics for all my gaming. That was already dream come true.
AMD's hardware accelerated video encoding is not baked in to Premiere by default, I usually use Voukoder's plugin to enable AMD AMF, only then I can comfortably encode faster than realtime
Amazing what competition does to a company.
They didn't even say their own product name throughout the video.
i know this doesn't have anything to do with the video's main subject but i gotta ask, what brand of led's are those rectangular lights behind you?
Hey man, what are those cool lights in the background? 👀
For me it will come down to price to choose between Intel or AMD
You are doing great. When's the next video coming out? Thumbs Up 👍
Sunday
Someone did a test on R6S (pretty sure it was Dave2D) and got 112fps on low so its pretty much playable on medium settings.
Safe to saw that whoever bought a 10th gen Intel laptop now has bad luck
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is this the ryzen 7 4800u?
I realize this is a light-weight and battery emphasis model, but I prefer DDR4 over LPDDR4-any flavor. If that means giving up battery , then ok. It might be interesting if HW + OS could work together in making a mixed DDR/LPDDR system, using DDR for critical sections, with LPDDR for bulk. The primary CPU load of MS Office is unzipping the file on open, and zip on save. This is single (with some dual) thread. so it might be helpful for someone to figure out multi-thread compression for the larger documents
Enjoyed the video....😀
Great performance for a 4-core!
I'm not really impressed by the graphics compared to AMD's pretty minimal Vega inclusion though.
Can you provide standard deviation for those averages at 10:22? Having the 1% low framerate be close to half of the average is concerning for playability, hopefully it's just a few lagging frames here and there?
From its trackpad I could tell that, The laptop is from collaboration intel with MSI.
This is one of the creator model
Dave already explained it
@@mehashonhold Ah thanks capt.
I5 1135g7 vs I7 1185g7 16+512, similar performance on daily usage? (Office,basic photoshop,music recording and editing, browsing) I7 worth the upgrade?
In the benchmark slides, Blue color should have been assigned to Intel and Red for AMD... Blue is kind of natural fit for Intel. Got confused seeing the slide every time.
This is competition get you,
Consumer wins!
it's good to have competition so one must change to survive.
This thing can game at medium setting for 60fps... Nice
just josh did not see tiger lake being all that, I think you need to look into longer term benchmarks where they power down the CPU
IMO it would be pretty nice if the fps scale stayed the same for all games.
And I’m sure these comparisons won’t look any difference once Zen 3 comes out and its associated portable chips ...
I'm drawing some parallels with the RTX 3080. Tiger Lake seems to be better than it really is because Ice Lake was a disappointment, not unlike the 20-series was for Nvidia.
They are the first before others, nice 👌👌
It would be interesting to know how performance are with an external GPU connected on thunderbolt 4 by an eGFX, on this type of ultrabook.
I want to know how much these new Intel notebooks will be priced because as a student that's the MAIN factor for me
Just to know what is intel iris xe graphics enough for good video editting?
9:55 Who games on a thin and light ? A lot of people.( internationally ) Why do you think they're trying to do better in this segment ? It's an untapped market with a lot of cash to be made. If i had the choice for a okay thin vs very powerful heavy laptop it's almost always going to be the thin and light because it had many more use cases than just gaming. Apt for a first "computer" in the house. For ultra graphics gaming just get a pc sometime later.
Holy cow intel iris does well....
Yeah this is interesting until you realize that they equipped the Tiger Lake with lpddr4x memory at 4266MHz and still charging premium prices for a 4 core 8 thread cpu
Hello, what is diference between
tiger lake vs whiskey lake ? Which is more better ? Thanku
How long do you think we will need to wait untill XE reaches main market
i got the 1065g7 and love it but the gpu is weak and i never thought that intel could fix that with the 1165g7 so i bought it and now i hope they keep it going like that so in 5 years i would buy a very good thin and light again from asus that has intel i like them
When will these chips arrive in consumer laptops and what will be the pricing on this?
Intel is finally bringing in the competition!!!!