One of these companies is employing American works and downstream companies. The other is made by our largest rival who is specifically trying to undermine US manufacturing. Benchmades are still stupidly over priced for what they are these days but let’s not pretend this is apples to apples.
No lol. You dont get justify ripping me off with trying to guilt trip me into buying a product because of national loyalty. I'm a combat vet and I'm fucking poor because 80% va service connection isn't enough to even survive well below the poverty line. Bench made has been ripping us off for a long time. An estwing Tomahawk that's a solid piece of carbon steel, usa made is only $50 so how can one company provide quality American products that don't costs an arm and a leg while the other can't seem to imagine charging less than 150$ for what is $10 in s30v $2 in plastic @@esrvdb88
If a company can't take heat for their product being matched or outmatched by a significantly cheaper product then they don't deserve our business. Simple
most of these youtube channels have deals with these companies get knives free to "review". In fairness to the manufacture what if you make a good product and a RUclipsr with a big following for clicks makes your product look bad by subjecting it to things no normal person would.
@@petercofrancesco9812 hit the nail on the head Benchmade’s products are by no means premium or exceptional They are just very overpriced decent knifes If the bugout was 130$ instead of 200, people would sing its praises But alas Also, Benchmade really doesn’t care If they get 3% of people who need a knife, to buy a bugout Then thats enough to justify the product and the price They’ve won And Benchmade does, thats why the price never changes, cause the people who buy Benchmade, don’t watch knife reviews, they just bought the knife and forgot about it
@@NonScientificBladeTesting This is what goes over the line for me. The Bugout would be overpriced if it was well made, but I would not complain about paying butterfly tax for something unique that is well made. I really do love their knife designs. But as it is the Bugout is not merely "overpriced," it's 2-3x more expensive that it has any right to be. If you want me to pay a "brandname premium," your brand name needs to actually mean something. TL;DR: If your "knife company" can't consistently nail the heat treatment, you are not competing with Spyderco. You're not competing with Hougue or Kershaw. You are competing with Wal-Mart.
I doubt it. They have good innovation, every year at shot show therre is something different I want. You had the SOCP fixed blade last year and Adira thiis year. Hadly bland & not made in China, not a rip off.
@@gavinmiller690I guess it's up to what is important to the individual. To me it is top steel performance and cutting geometry though on could argue that the first one is not that important I get that. You are correct there are reasons to buy them just not any that I prioritise I phrased that a bit too harsh
I don't mind paying more to make sure people that work here make a decent living. I'm sure someone along the chain gets more than they should but alot of people work hard
I love benchmade and have many. Tbh when I had seen and felt the bugout the handle breakage was exactly why I never bought one. My 940 works great and tough so I just stuck with it. Looks like it was a wise decision.
@@edcgearpocketknife Dawg he literally said in the video that from now they'll be purchasing the knives themselves for tests. And before you say I'm a fan boy, this is the first video I've ever seen of his after the comparison video.
I've had great luck with my Kobra tech knife. Great OTF setup. Good speed steel. Fraction of the price of a Benchmade. Made in TX. I had it for years. If I use a heavier blade I've had malfunctions but i figured out if I use the lighter blade it works great.
It's made to be lightweight, it's lightweight. It's not supposed to have a handle that takes that kind of force. There isnt a reasonable application for that knife that subjects it to that type of force. That's like smashing the headlight of an audi with a hammer and being like "but the Civic's didn't break, and it's sticker price is 40% of the Audi."
@@BootsAndCatsAndBootsAndCats That's a fair point, but that analogy kind of works against you, haha. That just sounds like perfectly valid criticism of the Audi and praise for the Civic... I feel that what you're saying is more like saying: "The Ultralight Pro Bike TM is engineered to be lighter! Of course the handles broke more easily than your childhood one"- which I'd also disagree with.
@@BrianPorter-se9dh even under light use as an EDC knife, you can feel the scales of the bugout flex. It just feels awful compared to any well built knife. I decided to pick one up just to see how it compared to my other knives. My most commonly carries knives right now are a Kizer Gemini, Civivi Elementum 2, and a Ganzo Firebird FH41S. They are all excellent EDC knives that I would recommend to anyone in the market. I've got probably 20 different knives within arm's reach here at my desk ranging from Civivi, Kizer, Ganzo, CRKT, CJRB, Kershaw, Cold Steel, Vosteed, etc... I am more likely to pick up any of them before I pick up my Bugout simply because of how cheap it feels in hand. The one in my pocket atm is the Kizer. The higher end S35VN version of the Gemini is the one that is priced to compete with the Bugout. I have the N690 version with gray woodgrain look micarta. Even so, it feels worlds better, both for fidgeting and for any practical use, than the Bugout and you could get 4 of it for the price of a Bugout and have enough left for a burger and fries. Stop defending the Bugout... It is overpriced and is undeserving of its acclaim.
The Ozark blade broke right away. The Benchmade blade survived easily. A non lined plastic handle isn’t meant for heavy duty work and you know that when you buy it.
@@Carl-bd1rf I think the point is that for the price of the Benchmade, most people would expect a higher quality handle construction... Sure, unreinforced G10 isn't going to handle the kind of stress it was put through. We all realize that. For the price they could have and should have made it out of something better. Example: The Boker Urban Trapper weighs less and the handle is made from, or at least has a liner made from, titanium. If you want to say that they can do that because the blade steel is cheaper... OK. You can get something like a Spyderco Delica that also has S30V steel for a fraction of the price of a Bugout. It's simple, the Bugout is not a well made knife for the price. IMO they should be about $75 less.
Don’t apologize for providing unfiltered/uncensored content. Look at the occasionally embarrassing results from some of the Tool-tubers like TTC and Project Farm. Keep up the good work guys Request: Compare the Hogue Deka and the Kershaw Bel Air.
@edcgearpocketknife Not once did he apologize during the video. He even explicitly states at one point that he has no problem making any of these companies mad with the stuff he does in these videos. You're just being a hater and a troll. You need to be careful though, you're gonna hurt yourself with all this reaching you're doing.
@@edcgearpocketknife I think it is helpful to watch the entire video before commenting. Taylor explicitly says that is not the case, which combined with the fact the "offending" video was not sponsored by either company is more than enough to satisfy RUclips dillegence. If a company decides to send a creator a sample, power to them. Just do as this channel has done and disclose it at the start of a video that includes the sample. Easy Peasy.
For me, you did nothing more than what Rose Anvil does with dissecting and cutting in half boots to provide clarity to consumers. I actually really appreciated that video!
Who cares what Benchmade or any other company thinks. They don't even think of us when they take our money. And I strongly doubt that they get angry when money goes to their account. Respect for an honest video!
@@koobs4549yea he was wrong about shareholders however the same point is made with a company going after high profits by questionable quality, all marketing and price gouging. That can happen regardless of company ownership.
As someone who owns a bench made and carries it every day, it is INCREDIBLY overpriced. I feel like a civivi mini praxis does the job just as well for $30 max compared to $180+
@icepagey7351 bought a redoubt when it first launched. Quality was wack, edge sharpness was weak sauce of legend, blade channel was rough and uncomfortable to grip. Took it back to bass pro and bought myself a cold steel recon 1 folder that same day.
Surprised they didn't get bought by yeti, who is buying up everything to destroy the heritage. Just gives the little guys a chance to build and grow. I was planning on getting a brace for my kid for Xmas and looking for alternatives now. The OT is crap metal. Looking at boker, crkt, hogue, and others... Rather give money to the little guy than big chains like Benchmade who have a plastic backbone to a knife. Yuck.
I’ll never buy Benchmade again. NOT because of anything you’ve said or tested, but because I was finally honest with myself that spending $600 on three Bugouts last year was ridiculous. I bought them at different times and as gifts for my kids… with full intention of buying additional scales to strengthen them. I’ve done that. Now, I have strong knives. HOWEVER, all I did was just frustrate myself that I bought three grossly overpriced plastic knives, and then spent $200 more to make them durable. Wow. Factory Bugouts COULD sell for $20 to make sense. Done with Benchmade ripping me off.
Yes i feel this i replaced the hardware with diy anodised titanium, diy titanium backspacer shredded carbon scales and s90v blade from the more expensive bugout and thats the most ive ever spend on a single knife but damn do i love how it looks and it also feels like my knife because noone can recreate the way i havr done it bc of heat anodizing the titanium zo it has a bit of diferent colours but after ive done everything the alredy expansive knife is like 4 times more expansive
The ironic thing is, these knives have more in common than people think. The benchmade is unattainable for a lot of people because of the price, but the supply is there. The ozark trail can be had by all, but there is no supply, making both knives unattainable, but for different reasons.
Makes unbiased video showing a 10 dollar knife holding up to an overpriced knife, makes second video making excuses for “being to hard” on overpriced knife because knife company got mad. Got it.
That was 24 minutes of not discussing Benchmade's reaction, 33 seconds of "Benchmade wasn't happy", and 0 time at all explaining what sort of trouble you're in. You make some great content but that title is misleading af.
In my book, bench didn't like that and maybe he gets some sponsorship from em. But that don't matter, He sullied their product. They cried, He relented. End of story.
@@sizzling.pancake they could put an aluminum frame in the handle for a 200 dollar knife. They are robbing everyone. That knife probably cost 5 bucks to make.
I purchased a bug out over 5 years ago because of all the great things that were said about it. When I unboxed it and put it in my hand, I suddenly realized that a lot of people writing, post and doing reviews on RUclips were suffering from a delusional disorder
That Ozark Trail is INSANE. I do live streams dicing up cardboard until the edge is totally wrecked. Normally D2 goes for 4 hours about like clockwork. The OT took 7 hours on the factory edge and 8 hours on a mirrored 17dps edge. I don't know how it did that but it did.
With what y'all are saying it seems that you have no idea what a quality knife is. If you want a budget knife there are many good knives that range from $50 to a $100 that would last longer than a $10 Ozarks knife with better steel with a good heat treat that greatly improves the life of the knife edge.
@@jeffreygettinger2134 and if for some reason you ruin that $50-$100 blade right away, you’ve lost all that money. With a $10 blade, you’ve don’t really care if you ruin it. And, since most of us use our knives to open packages, a $100 knife is a bit overkill
The truth is what it is. The Bugout is in no way a hard use knife. It’s light and meant for extremely light duty. Cutting rope, opening a letter, maybe a we bit of feather stick cutting. But that is its design. The right tool for the job. No apologies are warranted. However, it is hard to justify the price.
As a consumer, it is very important to know that an overpriced product isn’t worth the money. And vice versa, I want to know if a cheapo knife is a cheapo knife. The final decision is on the consumer, but the unbiased, unsponsored information is EXTREMELY important. Lee making these types of videos
What are you even saying? If the knife was cheaper people would not be complaining as much...duh! It's too expensive and that's why people are logically and reasonably upset. Everything is getting more expensive but you spent $95 dollars six years ago and got a budget knife. Today you can find a Hogue Deka with premium Magnacut steel for roughly the price of the Bugout six years ago! Also, recently I bought a Tacticle Bexar (USA Made Knife) with premium steel, for roughly $120. And then Gerber has USA made knives that are similar Bugout quality for closer to $100. Everything in the US seems to be costing more but when you compare Benchmade with other similar companies their knives have increased significantly more it would seem.
I mean, in fairness, that is an absolutely bonkers great price on the Bexar. That knife sells at the MSRP most often and it is not really cheap for a small slip joint that is so simply constructed. I don't think it's overpriced for the quality, but it's an odd choice as a price comparison.
@@slvrnblu I can't say fer sure, but if you look around you can often find great deals on other knife brands like I did the Bexar...making the price of benchmade more questionable because I don't see them on sale as much or for as good a deal.
I was a benchmade fan boy for about 2 decades. However, after discovering Cold Steel, I have quit buying Benchmade all together. Who else has this happened to? Lol
The other way around actually. But i still wont buy nearly as many benchmade's. They have their place as a more user friendly option, often with better materials and the most weight-efficient designs. Just not offering the variety and value to experiment with new knives like cold steel offers.
@@HtownDooDooBrownwhy is that strange bench made puts way more money into marketing than cold steel so people who just get into knives know about benched and prob never heard of cold steel
That bug out has always been a 50 dollar knife max. Being American made and made on an assembly line still makes it not worth more than 50 bucks. Even the 940 Osborne has gotten ridiculous but I still love mine. Buy a Griptillian before a Bugout.
I own an Osborne as well and carry it almost every day because I like it's sleekness. I bought it used of ebay though, years ago for $110. If it breaks eventually, I will buy another used one off of ebay. Not worth their retail price.
@BestDamnEDC My local Walmart was completely sold out of them. The gentleman working there said that one guy came in and bought everyone that he had. That's all he had was the display that he couldn't sell. He said he had one dozen on order and it would probably be at least 2 weeks before they got there. I explained to him what the whole deal was with them being sold out like that and he thanked me and put in another order for an additional two more dozen.
Love the video & honesty. Having said that, I own the Benchmade Bugout in carbon fiber & s90v steel…that knife has been through anything & everything I could put it through over the past 3 years…edc, hunting, skiing/hiking, camping, & construction work…not to mention several rounds through our washer & dryer when I forgot to take it out of my pants. I do not deliberately beat on my knives, but this one has never let me down. I own 6 different Benchmade knives along with several other brands such as Spyderco, CRKT, Kershaw, & Chris Reeve. I sent one Benchmade knife in for warranty work (mini freek which I absolutely love) due to the blade not being centered & I received my knife back within 2 weeks perfectly centered & sharpened, no questions asked. I will stand by all of my Benchmade purchases. Are they expensive? Yes. Would I buy another? Absolutely.
Everyone hating on benchmade pricing while not batting an eyelash at spyderco who charge around the same for "plastic" handles knives. I just looked at the Lil Temperance with FRN scales and it is $333 made in Japan. Lets not forget about WE, their prices are getting out of hand, and they are overseas made, yet again, nobody is talking about it.
I agree but Benchmade used to be a solid knife company that sold at fairly decent prices. Then they decided to try and price themselves into the collectors market instead of the user market and have gotten fairly ridiculous. It all started with the Narrows and that ridiculous $500+ price tag. I think that change is the reason users are so pissed. The fanboys just kept dropping money no matter what it cost and drooling over whatever came out next. In the end, it is the buyers that drove those prices. If people didn't keep paying the ridiculous increases then Benchmade would have stayed in the user category they were in. I love my Benchmades. I love my Bugouts that were bought at the old prices. I won't buy from Benchmade anymore unless they start making knives for the user again. I won't pay Spyderco's or WE's ridiculous prices either but since I don't like Spyderco's at all and very little of what WE puts out I don't really care what their pricing is. IMO Spyderco and WE have always been overpriced for what they put out.
At least aluminum like my 940. At $240 it's still overpriced but I do like the Osbourne. It's by no means a duty knife, but It's pretty and I like it. That said Benchmade is irritating to deal with, prices their knives too high, and there are better options out there. I wish SOG didn't suck these days, because I like the axis/arc lock.
@simpledj509chromo7 I just think for 99.9% of people a 30-50 dollar knife is all they will ever need for general use (excluding woodscraft stuff), and most people will never end up in the woods. Knives shouldn't cost more than some guns. Especially folders I can't imagine a reason to need a $80+ dollar folding knife. Where is that going it isn't strong like a fixed blade, good looking knives are for gays not men. I carry a pocket razor blade as a second blade most of the time and use it the most, it does basically everything I need till I actually get down to hard use and then I usually have a short ax on me. My only expensive knives live on my duty kit and that's for fighting only.
They're both $10 knives. One is priced at what it's worth, the other has $190 added in to make you think you're buying a superior product. I mean who wouldn't think they are? We are trained to think expensive = good. Expensive = fancy. Expensive = cool. Expensive = exclusive.
So you did a TTD. That's a Test To Destruction for the non acronym minded. Which is a perfectly legitimate thing to do. The Benchmade Bugout is marketed as the only knife you need in a "Bugout" situation. So it's perfectly reasonable to conduct a abusive test for the purpose of determining exactly what it's usable parameters are. I note for the record that another distinguished manufacturer (Cold Steel) do this routinely to their products. They don't fail. Personally I wouldn't buy a Bugout. Too much for too little IMHO. A Griptillian however, that's a different story
The original intention from what I gather was to test the $10 knife, but since it's almost identical to the Bugout the comparison was on the table and was useful as reference. I think what the DBK guys did with the Bugout was a reasonable qualitative test, the tests to destruction go too far, although I enjoy Joe X's videos. I just don't necessarily agree with the conclusions in the comments of this type of videos. But yeah a Griptillian with a thumb hole is it, gotta agree with that.
My cold steel AD10 is absolutely indestructible. 125$ s35vn. I really don't know of a better value knife. It's a little chunky , but that just makes sure i don't lose it , the weight is a good reminder.
Benchmade should increase the quality of their products and lower the price. Pain and simple. They got their ass handed to them by a $10.00 Walmart knife. 🤣
Griptilian is my EDC work knife, and the Bugout with Flytanium scales is my fancy dress carry. Neither are meant for ridiculous use, but both are great folding knives, for tasks that folding knives were meant for. Yeah, BM prices have gone too high, and have become cost prohibitive for me, but the ones I bought before the prices went crazy are still great knives. Many of the knives people are listing as alternatives use the lock that Bemchmade made famous, after the patent fell off. Before that BM was the king of the folding knife world, IMO.
Being able to break a knife by hand, regardless of the lightweight goal, simply shows that it is likely not to last long, survive rough use in a backpack, or a drop while climbing a ladder or similar... Please use eye protection when doing things that may snap the knife, it would suck to get blinded by randomness.
@@sloanNYC When they said "by hand" they just slipped up and accidently left out the word "tools". Simple misunderstanding. Really, who would be so bold to actually make the claim they can break nearly any folding knife with nothing but their own two hands?
Awww…benchmade’s not happy about someone else copying one of their knife models? Boo-fricking-hoo. They copied the design of the SRM 9201 and called it the Tagged Out…and slapped a 200 hundred price tag on it. Benchmade deserves all the smoke they get.
@@razmetrez Oh yeah…and didn’t they lose a lawsuit based on that hole and had to pay a percentage of of every knife sold with that hole for a few years? Again, fuck benchmade.
Fully agree but I have the Deka with plastic scales and I don't know if it would perform better than the bugout in this instance. (Upgraded to custom micarta ones and now its pretty solid tough)
I have 5 bugouts and 3 Dekas ... I like the neutrality of the Bugout handle and it's a little thinner in the pocket but if I had to choose I would take the Deka , especially in Hogues magnacut
I bought 4 to get free shipping. Handed three over to family members. These knives are great for what they are and mine has already opened many Amazon boxes successfully 🙂
Thank you for doing a test to destruction. It's exactly what I am looking for when I'm looking at tools. It's too expensive (and sometimes, dangerous) for me to do it myself, so I really appreciate that folks like you do it. I didn't see it as a "failure" by Benchmade at all, the knife is 1.8oz, of course it is going to break at some point. I wanted to know at what point that would be, and now I know. That's why it's called a test to "destruction," not a test to "failure."
I really like that you are diving into knife testing. The improvements you plan to make show this wasn’t just for giggles, it was a valuable lesson. I would love to see more comparisons between clone knives and the originals. That not only calls out the clones (and scam blades), but also forces bigger knife companies to look for improvements on their products. Personally, I would love to see a gauntlet style test for multitools and their clones. Seeing the Swisstech vs leatherman wave, or the new bibury BI2049 vs the Surge would be really helpful to know if the leathermans are worth the price difference from a purely quality perspective (I’m all for supporting American made products, and I accept that paying more is what it takes to pay people a living wage. I just want to know the money goes towards American quality as well as local businesses)
It blows my mind how bothered people get to actually see gear get used. It’s no more wasteful to do a torture test than to buy a knife to leave in its box and never use but plenty of EDC guys are way into that.
I love the switch to the standardized tension in the sharpness test. I didn’t realize how variable the old method was. For me I saw two levels of testing. The “normal” stuff I might see (sharpness out of the box, how dull does it get doing “normal” cutting tasks, cardboard, string, zip ties…, how easy is it to sharpen and how sharp does it get. Then a couple of drop tests from pocket or table height. What breaks?) After that you slip into the torture testing doing things I would never, ever do to my knife. High drops and tosses, cutting wire and cables, even pulling staples. I edc a multi tool for wire and staples. Finally, I’m glad you’re looking into personal protective gear because I’m hoping you’ll continue your testing. PS: I like American made stuff and I have no issues paying more for quality, American made.
Like you said, the Bugout was made for light use. Come to think about it the 10 Ozark knife is also made for light use, sounds like to me the Ozark wins again... This video simply in Low Key made the bugout look like a over price light use knife.
@jaydog-vz6vt you seem a little upset. Did You just realize you wasted to much money 🤣🤣🤣🤣 hey it's ok it's just ,$180. You will be fine just don't use your knife other then to open boxes like it was meant for. Every time you use you will now know you wasted your money. That sucks
@@PeterS-r4o aww did you get your poor little feelings hurt too??? Did you also waste to much money???? Hey the Bugout is a nice knife just overpriced by $180 bucks.
Let’s talk about the elephant in the room: Benchmade COST vs. PRICE. Cost: take the MSRP and multiply by 0.4 that’s their cost +/- couple bucks, or $72.00 Simple! Now we build the price: $72.00*1.12 = $80.64 (12% goes to distributor cut - that’s the guy that places knives with end retailers) Next $80.64*2=$161.28 (100% markup, which is the retailer’s profit) When you see Bugout sold for $162, or as BM calls it “Minimum Advertised Price, MAP” the profits are approximately $81 for the retailer and $9 for a distributor. If you pay full retail,.. it is, well… not wise.
How did you get those numbers? If the distributor gets his share, and the retailer gets his share, does the manufacturer get nothing then? Seems to me you forgot to add that into the ecuation, please correct me if I'm wrong. Unless, in your example,72 is not the COST, but the price at which they sell. Then the COST would obviously be much lower.
Walmart is going to hate this video. New one coming next week. I just don't understand, in the comparison video he implies that he's putting the knives through the same amount of abuse. Then in this video, he states that he was putting the BM through more pressure than the Ozark. Thereby making that first video pointless, why show how they compare if you're not going to compare them equally.
Brother thank you for being real that’s why I have been watching your videos for years. Keep it up break more for the hell of it we all love to see it. I have thousands of dollars in knives and do not have a single Benchmade just because my granddad told me they sucked 20 years ago. Love the work you guys do keep it up!
I mean nothing really surprised me in the test, even the bugout snapping. The bugout was never meant to do that, it was built for the ultralight community and just happened to be one of the better selling edc knives for everyone because of the advantages of how light it is. Knowing that, it has no metal frame in it like the ozark grail so that was expected. I thought it was just a fun video showcasing that Ozark/Wal Mart has a $10 knife that someone can confidently carry, as well as just go and pick up if you needed a knife.
I was gifted a Benchmade Presidio II ($350 knife) and I really wanted to like it, but it will not hold an edge for me. I sent it back for Benchmark to sharpen it, but edge didn’t hold up 2 weeks with light duty use. Glad I didn’t spend money on it!
Potential things to add to the tests: Clip bendability - sometimes a clip has gotten caught and bent outward then doesn't work as well (also non-reversable clips should really be highlighted). Sand/mud drop test - drop it in sand or mud get some debris in it, clean it off (without taking apart) and see how well the action still works. Nylon and steel strapping for pallets is a common jobsite item in many industries that someone would use their knife for that I think is far more applicable than giant rope. Figitability...some cheaper knives may feel nice when opening and closing, but sitting around fidgeting, they come loose or fall apart...lets be real the number 1 use for a knife is fidgeting while hanging out at your desk...even more than opening packages. Emergency flat-head driver test...can you use it, does it destroy the blade, and does it feel *relatively* safe and comfortable to do so in a pinch.
As stated by others, don't apologize. Although I'm more of an Amazon/Walmart/Harbor Freight EDC on my budget, I appreciate honest feedback and testing.
I don't think I've bought a Benchmade product in years. They are overpriced, underbuilt, bland designs, and honestly if they are pissed at you for breaking one of their knives that says a lot about who they are as a company. If you made a video breaking an Esee in half with your hands they would warranty it and also probably be impressed. Hell they would put it on that wall of broken knives they are so proud of. There are a lot of companies that would respond to a video like that in a humble and positive way. I won't be buying from them in the future.
I recently released a video on my channel testing $15 (S&W Extreme Ops) $50 (Civivi Brazen)and $180( Benchmade Bugout) knives head to head. Funny enough, the Benchmade seemed to take the most damage, the S&W held up surprisingly well and the Civivi was our top pick. It seems that the point of diminishing returns IS around that $50-$75 price point. (P.S I shot the video back in February, so no. I wasn’t copying Taylor’s last video.)
US knife makers have a real problem. The factories many of them OEM in are producing their own high quality knives at a fraction of the cost. The Bugout price is highway robbery, can't be justified with the materials or craftsmanship. It's Grivory and CPM S30V/S90V. The only route US makers can go to survive - premium knives at a premium price, made in USA. They can't compete below that segment.
Deka and Hogue Ritter do it for less with better materials, plus they put a much better edge on their knives. The bugout is much cheaper than griptilian, yet priced higher. BM can do better, in the long run this is going to hurt them.
in defense of the benchmade, , breaking the tip off completely ruins the knife for me in so many use cases. The real torture test that counts the most is the tip durability ,, because that is the one that will come up irl, and it won , while the 10$ knife failed instantly. You're not going to "break them in half" irl, you ARE going to put the tip in somewhere and pry.
There’s two issues that the video and the comment a seems to present: 1. Price vs. performance. The Bugout was never going to look good in that video. There is no world where it was going to be 18 times better than the Ozark Trail. There will always be diminishing returns on price vs. performance. Question is, what’s the right ratio. 2. Are Benchmade knives over priced? That’s an easy answer, because there is no one answer. The company sets the price and people pay it (or don’t). We as consumers get to decide if we think it’s overpriced. I carry a mini Bugout almost daily, I don’t remember what I paid for it and got it second hand. In my mind, it’s worth every penny of whatever I did pay. Would I spend $180 on a new Bugout, nope. If others decide to pay that price, good for them and for Benchmade. I don’t need that knife, we aren’t talking Insulin…
I love an appreciate the amount of stress you put on these knives when testing and i genuinely hope you do more reviews like the one you did . Because people really want to know just how well they’re knife is going to preform , as edc , a work knife or bush crafting
We've been back and forth over whether we should test them separately, or whether the Sebenza and XM-18 are a better comparison as they're both the flagships. It's a tough one but would love more input
@@BestDamnEDC I like the head to head format. When I was first getting into that next tier of edc knives I went back and forth between CRK vs Hinderer. I think you did a great job comparing the general pros & cons of the Bugout and Ozark while also torture testing them.
@@BestDamnEDCI think testing one at a time will be better once there are uniform tests to compare between videos. Plus, it seems easier to do on your end if you only have to worry about doing one at a time.
@BestDamnEDC I think a combo of "torture tests" AND "vs" would be great! CRK, Hinderer, and other hard use, high-end production knives deserve solo trials illustrating realistic challenges and other plausible calamities based on their specific strengths and weaknesses...done with a logical/analytical connotation. Bulk up the series with your flavor of lively, spirited, and unscripted head-to-heads...budget vs premium (authentic), look-alike vs original, clone vs real, flagship vs flagship, affordable popular knife vs affordable popular knife, yada yada yada...more options, less expensive, and a chance to flex your creativity. I think it'd be a good mix of information and entertainment.
Forgive the spelling; but do you have a link for your ?hodeko? knife you pulled out to show? Looked through your description and didn’t see anything listed.
They shouldn't be angry. They should make a better product or lower the price. They are crying because a Chinese $10 beat them. I also agree that you were harder on the ozark
I would never give my money to the company that hired the Ruby Ridge sniper no matter the quality of their products, Buying benchmade directly supports a government assasin.
Yup. The Ozark Trail will/may break. And I can/may buy 17 more. I will be very content with that. Sure, Benchmade has hundreds who want to buy the Bugout for $180, and I'm ok with that. Personally, I don't see value in a knife that doesn't have full liners sold at $180 (and broke).
I work in a shop and im wondering what the best blade steel would be to keep it sharp. I have the CJRB pyrite stainless and have to sharpen it constantly. I cut rubber and plastic hoses, cardboard, mud flaps and things like that just so there is a idea of what its used for. My budget would be under $100 if possible but I know better blade material can shoot the price up extremely fast. Thanks in advance for whoever answers if you do.
The Civivi Vision FG is in my opinion the best knife available under $100. They have one in Nitro V steel that in my testing has held up really well when cutting primarily cardboard. The lock is pretty sweet too. Not sure how well the blade itself will hold up to lateral flex with the thickness of the blade stock but if you are just cutting it should hold up fine.
My local sportsmans warehouse carries two gigantic locked cases for Benchmade. Yet they dont reguarly restock the white river, buck or kabar knives...which are objectively better per price point. Not only are the Benchmade knives an insane price for inferior quality, many of these knives are illegal to brandish by my states laws. Benchmade and local stores know what they're doing, price gouging, plain and simple. This sucks because Benchmade does make a good knife...but for the price point they must get scrutinized. And thats exactly why I say; A Benchmade blades most devastating cut is gouging prices.
I think the fact that the blade held up so well on the Benchmade says a lot. I've had a big out for 4 or 5 years now and the only problem I've had with it was that some of the screws fell out over time but Benchmade sent me new ones for free when I contacted them. Id gladly buy another one, but it'd be nice if the price wasn't so high
Wasn't a realistic test, and a bugout isn't a realistic knife. I mean 180 bucks is a LOT for a knife, and there are better options for around 70-90 bucks. I think the argument for such an expensive knife is two things - longevity and quality. The bugout feels nice, looks nice, but the longevity isn't quite there at 180. People are right about the half liners being there for the weight reduction, HOWEVER I feel people aren't buying the darn thing FOR THE WEIGHT SAVINGS. It's their most popular knife that sucks at being an everyday compared to other options. It's meant for backpacking, use it for that.
Back when Benchmade started raising prices I promised myself I would not buy another BM knife. I have no problem affording it. But there are so many, especially now a days, that cant. At what point does it stop if people keep bending over and paying whatever is asked? I refuse to support prices so insanely ridiculous. The only way for these companies to learn is for you to not give them your money. BM very well might be making record profits now. No idea. Dont care either. SO many incredibly options out there now.
I just want to add, as a guy who purchases knives allot, I personally wouldn't want a knife you can just snap in half with your bare hands! How could I trust it for anything? If it's a POS, it's a POS! Especially for the money they want for it! I honestly will stay away from Benchmade for a bit! I want quality for my money! Not a overpriced POS knife!!!
No need to make this video to please anyone!! We all see who the clear winner was, it's up to preference! Does it make u feel good paying more money for something? To me it does! 😂 but doesn't mean that product is the best or superior than other similar products! I think this follow up video was unnecessary to please who ever this is being made for! Frickem!! 🤣 great video either way and keep staying real guys! 🇺🇸
Not all of them. Kizer and Vosteed both have some fixed blades for under $100 that are very good as far as I'm concerned. I have used both Kizer's Deckhand and Vosteed's Mink knives as work edc for months and they have been great. I'm no steel snob though... so if D2 or Nitro-V aren't your thing that's okay. Both knives have very useful jimping and micarta scaled handles that fit my between large and xl glove hands.
@@Jakoshdw i have been seeing new kizers and vosteeds in different videos. they look like really great fixed blades for the price. though i have shifted from fixed blades to folders not that long ago, so i will probably won't buy them any time soon. but down the road - who knows...
All knives are overpriced. I carry the Walmart ones. They have an all steel folder that is super thin that I love. I use them till I lose it or break it. I have absolutely abused walmart knives and they do decent. For fixed blades I carry them just when I'm outdoors. I use a Gerber prodigy they the same as the strongarm but are 20-40 on sale now.
I know you CAN spend that much, but I really think that Esee is a good value. The Izula's and 3's are awesome for EDC and neither of them are terribly pricey.
I think a combo of "torture tests" AND "vs" would be great! CRK, Hinderer, and other hard use, high-end production knives deserve solo trials illustrating realistic challenges and other plausible calamities based on their specific strengths and weaknesses...done with a logical/analytical connotation. Variants in that tier are limited and expensive, so you could bulk up the series with your unique flavor of lively, spirited, and unscripted head-to-heads...budget vs premium (authentic), look-alike vs original, clone vs real, flagship vs flagship, affordable popular knife vs affordable popular knife, yada yada yada...more options, less expensive, and a chance to flex your creativity. I think it'd be a good mix of information and entertainment that you could run with for awhile.
The bug out is trash. I'd much rather pay 10 bucks, than 220 for a knife that I can actually break with my bear hands. Edge retention doesn't mean anything if the whole thing falls a part with some advertised "basic" uses of the tool...
Still love my (4) OT's, zero fails, normal use. BM can suck rocks, they are screwing customers with overpriced knives. Keep the reviews coming. Froggy.
I have a buggout, got it for 165, i carried it for a decent while, and I don't carry it often anymore. I love the knife, and understanding what and who it was made for is important. 99% of the time i have a pm2 with brass scales in my pocket, i just like something different, but i appreciate the literal opposite too. I like Benchmade. And honestly, everything is expensive, not just the heckin butterfly tax. Everything will always be expensive. So just like what you like, and stop hating on what you don't like.
I love my bugout. I did replace the scales with the flytanium g10 scales. When i bought mine it was 140$ and at that time i thought it was over priced. I am left handed so the axis-lock was and is amazing. However I most likely will never buy from them again because of the price gouging. Benchmade doesn't care about anything other than making money like any other of the companies out there today.
Love this video you did great FYI I happen to have 5 of the Ozark Trail And your right I don’t use any of my knives like you torture test I do cut up car board and mail sharpen a pencil do a little wood carving (just started doing it ) and I also have more expensive U.S.A knives Kershaw Hand made knives And still just use them in everyday life I will say the I have a lawn car business and we I change mower blades I have a CRKT Squid in D2 G10 and I use it to scrap off the built up grass on the mower blades and it still is some what sharp Have tried it with the 10.00 knife yet I just got it Many Blessings on the Future of you career we are living what you do Keep it up
Benchmade clearly got you to do an apology, which is a shame. You made too much of the fact that you can break a Bugout and ruin a Dropout (Ozark Trail). Who is going to do either during normal use? But the fact is, the Bugout is just plastic with no liner and washers (no bearings), and that makes it poorly designed. If Benchmade gave me a free Bugout, I'd be thrilled. But, given the choice between the Bugout and the Dropout, I'll buy a $10 Dropout (I have 2). D2 is good enough for how I use a knife, and it works great for me. I have other budget knives that I like as much or more, like the CJRB Pyrite Light. But the Dropout still does everything I need.
@@BestDamnEDC Bro some of the shade I'm seeing makes no sense... nothing you said sounded like appeasement... you were just explaining. I could never be a YTer, people get it so twisted all the damn time. Keep doing your thing bro.
@@BestDamnEDC wow, a viewer expresses an opinion, and you denigrate him by saying go outside. really classy. you literally titled the video "I'm in big trouble with benchmade", talked about how they weren't happy, and then asked for your viewer's comments and feedback. what is wrong with you? why would you write this comment? are you a professional, or just goofing off? I would hope that anyone who receives free products from high end companies with which to work would be a professional.
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Now send the bugout back to Benchmade and see how well the warranty works.
Why spend the money on shipping when you can just use the money and buy another Ozark trail
They’ll fix it but you’re probably gonna pay another $120 to replace everything but the blade.
One of these companies is employing American works and downstream companies. The other is made by our largest rival who is specifically trying to undermine US manufacturing. Benchmades are still stupidly over priced for what they are these days but let’s not pretend this is apples to apples.
Non White, is not American.
No lol. You dont get justify ripping me off with trying to guilt trip me into buying a product because of national loyalty. I'm a combat vet and I'm fucking poor because 80% va service connection isn't enough to even survive well below the poverty line. Bench made has been ripping us off for a long time. An estwing Tomahawk that's a solid piece of carbon steel, usa made is only $50 so how can one company provide quality American products that don't costs an arm and a leg while the other can't seem to imagine charging less than 150$ for what is $10 in s30v $2 in plastic @@esrvdb88
If a company can't take heat for their product being matched or outmatched by a significantly cheaper product then they don't deserve our business. Simple
@@HtownDooDooBrown I'm not following
@@HtownDooDooBrown premium blade steel doesnt mean a whole lot, especially if its handle is the weak point haha
@@HtownDooDooBrown a fool and his money
most of these youtube channels have deals with these companies get knives free to "review". In fairness to the manufacture what if you make a good product and a RUclipsr with a big following for clicks makes your product look bad by subjecting it to things no normal person would.
@@petercofrancesco9812 hit the nail on the head
Benchmade’s products are by no means premium or exceptional
They are just very overpriced decent knifes
If the bugout was 130$ instead of 200, people would sing its praises
But alas
Also, Benchmade really doesn’t care
If they get 3% of people who need a knife, to buy a bugout
Then thats enough to justify the product and the price
They’ve won
And Benchmade does, thats why the price never changes, cause the people who buy Benchmade, don’t watch knife reviews, they just bought the knife and forgot about it
Benchmade needs to drop their prices by 75%
How could they support their marketing budget with a cut like that?
@@Brian-rj5rl at this point who gives a f
@@Brian-rj5rlthey cut their marketing department and lay people off
You miss-wrote 95%, but we know what you meant.
Because then they would move their company to China. They pay the employees well. Stop buying chinese made knives.
Benchmade is in big trouble with their customer base. Crap innovation, insane pricing, and bland products.
Durability issues as well
*underwhelming heat treatment
@@NonScientificBladeTesting This is what goes over the line for me. The Bugout would be overpriced if it was well made, but I would not complain about paying butterfly tax for something unique that is well made. I really do love their knife designs. But as it is the Bugout is not merely "overpriced," it's 2-3x more expensive that it has any right to be.
If you want me to pay a "brandname premium," your brand name needs to actually mean something.
TL;DR: If your "knife company" can't consistently nail the heat treatment, you are not competing with Spyderco. You're not competing with Hougue or Kershaw. You are competing with Wal-Mart.
I doubt it. They have good innovation, every year at shot show therre is something different I want. You had the SOCP fixed blade last year and Adira thiis year. Hadly bland & not made in China, not a rip off.
@@gavinmiller690I guess it's up to what is important to the individual. To me it is top steel performance and cutting geometry though on could argue that the first one is not that important I get that. You are correct there are reasons to buy them just not any that I prioritise I phrased that a bit too harsh
The anger is totally justified. American knife companies are ripping us off.
I don't mind paying more to make sure people that work here make a decent living. I'm sure someone along the chain gets more than they should but alot of people work hard
I love benchmade and have many. Tbh when I had seen and felt the bugout the handle breakage was exactly why I never bought one. My 940 works great and tough so I just stuck with it. Looks like it was a wise decision.
Well it shows he is making this so he keeps getting free stuff which is wrong I won’t be following him.
@@edcgearpocketknife Dawg he literally said in the video that from now they'll be purchasing the knives themselves for tests. And before you say I'm a fan boy, this is the first video I've ever seen of his after the comparison video.
I've had great luck with my Kobra tech knife. Great OTF setup. Good speed steel. Fraction of the price of a Benchmade. Made in TX. I had it for years. If I use a heavier blade I've had malfunctions but i figured out if I use the lighter blade it works great.
The Ozark blade can be re-profiled. Are you going to glue the Bugout’s handle back together? Benchmade should be embarrassed.
It's made to be lightweight, it's lightweight. It's not supposed to have a handle that takes that kind of force. There isnt a reasonable application for that knife that subjects it to that type of force. That's like smashing the headlight of an audi with a hammer and being like "but the Civic's didn't break, and it's sticker price is 40% of the Audi."
@@BootsAndCatsAndBootsAndCats That's a fair point, but that analogy kind of works against you, haha. That just sounds like perfectly valid criticism of the Audi and praise for the Civic...
I feel that what you're saying is more like saying: "The Ultralight Pro Bike TM is engineered to be lighter! Of course the handles broke more easily than your childhood one"- which I'd also disagree with.
@@BrianPorter-se9dh even under light use as an EDC knife, you can feel the scales of the bugout flex. It just feels awful compared to any well built knife. I decided to pick one up just to see how it compared to my other knives. My most commonly carries knives right now are a Kizer Gemini, Civivi Elementum 2, and a Ganzo Firebird FH41S. They are all excellent EDC knives that I would recommend to anyone in the market. I've got probably 20 different knives within arm's reach here at my desk ranging from Civivi, Kizer, Ganzo, CRKT, CJRB, Kershaw, Cold Steel, Vosteed, etc... I am more likely to pick up any of them before I pick up my Bugout simply because of how cheap it feels in hand.
The one in my pocket atm is the Kizer. The higher end S35VN version of the Gemini is the one that is priced to compete with the Bugout. I have the N690 version with gray woodgrain look micarta. Even so, it feels worlds better, both for fidgeting and for any practical use, than the Bugout and you could get 4 of it for the price of a Bugout and have enough left for a burger and fries. Stop defending the Bugout... It is overpriced and is undeserving of its acclaim.
The Ozark blade broke right away. The Benchmade blade survived easily.
A non lined plastic handle isn’t meant for heavy duty work and you know that when you buy it.
@@Carl-bd1rf I think the point is that for the price of the Benchmade, most people would expect a higher quality handle construction... Sure, unreinforced G10 isn't going to handle the kind of stress it was put through. We all realize that. For the price they could have and should have made it out of something better.
Example: The Boker Urban Trapper weighs less and the handle is made from, or at least has a liner made from, titanium. If you want to say that they can do that because the blade steel is cheaper... OK. You can get something like a Spyderco Delica that also has S30V steel for a fraction of the price of a Bugout.
It's simple, the Bugout is not a well made knife for the price. IMO they should be about $75 less.
Don’t apologize for providing unfiltered/uncensored content. Look at the occasionally embarrassing results from some of the Tool-tubers like TTC and Project Farm. Keep up the good work guys
Request: Compare the Hogue Deka and the Kershaw Bel Air.
He is apologizing so he keeps getting knives for free
Good request
good request! i wanna buy both lol
@edcgearpocketknife Not once did he apologize during the video. He even explicitly states at one point that he has no problem making any of these companies mad with the stuff he does in these videos. You're just being a hater and a troll. You need to be careful though, you're gonna hurt yourself with all this reaching you're doing.
@@edcgearpocketknife I think it is helpful to watch the entire video before commenting. Taylor explicitly says that is not the case, which combined with the fact the "offending" video was not sponsored by either company is more than enough to satisfy RUclips dillegence. If a company decides to send a creator a sample, power to them. Just do as this channel has done and disclose it at the start of a video that includes the sample. Easy Peasy.
For me, you did nothing more than what Rose Anvil does with dissecting and cutting in half boots to provide clarity to consumers. I actually really appreciated that video!
W reference
Who cares what Benchmade or any other company thinks. They don't even think of us when they take our money. And I strongly doubt that they get angry when money goes to their account. Respect for an honest video!
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When companies go from satisfying the customer to satisfying the stock holder, this is what happens. Every. Single. Time.
Is benchmade a publicly traded company?
Except that Benchmade is a private company & doesn’t have any shareholders 😂
@@koobs4549yea he was wrong about shareholders however the same point is made with a company going after high profits by questionable quality, all marketing and price gouging. That can happen regardless of company ownership.
L take, benchmade is privately owned
@ just Greedy then.
Bugout is waaaay overpriced.
All Benchmades are overpriced it's the butterfly tax
As someone who owns a bench made and carries it every day, it is INCREDIBLY overpriced. I feel like a civivi mini praxis does the job just as well for $30 max compared to $180+
You think that's expensive??? $522 of the narrows mini is expensive for too little.
@@pandafox94 exactly. Even some of their cheapest are no better than a $30 knife
@icepagey7351 bought a redoubt when it first launched. Quality was wack, edge sharpness was weak sauce of legend, blade channel was rough and uncomfortable to grip. Took it back to bass pro and bought myself a cold steel recon 1 folder that same day.
Benchmade is softer than their bugout handle
Benchmade has lost its mind for years
Surprised they didn't get bought by yeti, who is buying up everything to destroy the heritage. Just gives the little guys a chance to build and grow. I was planning on getting a brace for my kid for Xmas and looking for alternatives now. The OT is crap metal. Looking at boker, crkt, hogue, and others... Rather give money to the little guy than big chains like Benchmade who have a plastic backbone to a knife. Yuck.
Benchmades aren’t worth what they think they are!
I’ll never buy Benchmade again. NOT because of anything you’ve said or tested, but because I was finally honest with myself that spending $600 on three Bugouts last year was ridiculous. I bought them at different times and as gifts for my kids… with full intention of buying additional scales to strengthen them. I’ve done that. Now, I have strong knives.
HOWEVER, all I did was just frustrate myself that I bought three grossly overpriced plastic knives, and then spent $200 more to make them durable. Wow.
Factory Bugouts COULD sell for $20 to make sense.
Done with Benchmade ripping me off.
Yes i feel this i replaced the hardware with diy anodised titanium, diy titanium backspacer shredded carbon scales and s90v blade from the more expensive bugout and thats the most ive ever spend on a single knife but damn do i love how it looks and it also feels like my knife because noone can recreate the way i havr done it bc of heat anodizing the titanium zo it has a bit of diferent colours but after ive done everything the alredy expansive knife is like 4 times more expansive
Bless your heart. I hope you were able to at least enjoy your “builds?”
Yeah the fact that you have to buy aftermarket scales to make them good is unacceptable.
Is there no other manufacturer that makes equally good blades with good scales?
@@mattbenson2034here will always be a 12 year old (or an unhappy adult douchebag) to be snarky. You must be so enjoyable to be around.
The ironic thing is, these knives have more in common than people think.
The benchmade is unattainable for a lot of people because of the price, but the supply is there.
The ozark trail can be had by all, but there is no supply, making both knives unattainable, but for different reasons.
Makes unbiased video showing a 10 dollar knife holding up to an overpriced knife, makes second video making excuses for “being to hard” on overpriced knife because knife company got mad.
Got it.
Well said
Exactly
That was 24 minutes of not discussing Benchmade's reaction, 33 seconds of "Benchmade wasn't happy", and 0 time at all explaining what sort of trouble you're in. You make some great content but that title is misleading af.
Welcome to the world of clickbait brotha.
In my book, bench didn't like that and maybe he gets some sponsorship from em. But that don't matter,
He sullied their product.
They cried,
He relented.
End of story.
@@Count_Smegulla Nobody's reading your book, Count Smegulla.
@@MacaqueStinx haha ur right!
Well that was a bullshit video
For 200 bucks a plastic handle knife is robbery.
It's make to be lightweight, they are other models benchmade sells if you don't like that
@@sizzling.pancake they could put an aluminum frame in the handle for a 200 dollar knife. They are robbing everyone. That knife probably cost 5 bucks to make.
It doesn't cost $200 either.
@@rhinosaur.What is the cost? To me anything over 60 is crazy for what you get.
@@rhinosaur.After taxes it gets pretty dang close
I purchased a bug out over 5 years ago because of all the great things that were said about it. When I unboxed it and put it in my hand, I suddenly realized that a lot of people writing, post and doing reviews on RUclips were suffering from a delusional disorder
F benchmade. Most of the knives they offer are way overpriced for what you're getting, in comparison to other US makers.
This ☝🏻
I purchased many Benchmade products in the past. Now I find the American-made Kershaw products to be a better investment.
Just get Buck, Esee, Kershaw, TOPS, Hogue knives if you want to support US companies that don’t rip people off for “made in USA” label
That Ozark Trail is INSANE. I do live streams dicing up cardboard until the edge is totally wrecked. Normally D2 goes for 4 hours about like clockwork. The OT took 7 hours on the factory edge and 8 hours on a mirrored 17dps edge. I don't know how it did that but it did.
Why do i feel like this video wasnt made for us
Bingo!
Exactly. I think Benchmade threatened them with legal action unless they made a follow-up
For 10 bucks if it cuts its a good knife.
My feelings exactly! For what the majority of us do with knives, a $10 one is all we really need.
For 10 dollars if the blade is steel it's good.
With what y'all are saying it seems that you have no idea what a quality knife is. If you want a budget knife there are many good knives that range from $50 to a $100 that would last longer than a $10 Ozarks knife with better steel with a good heat treat that greatly improves the life of the knife edge.
@@jeffreygettinger2134 and if for some reason you ruin that $50-$100 blade right away, you’ve lost all that money. With a $10 blade, you’ve don’t really care if you ruin it. And, since most of us use our knives to open packages, a $100 knife is a bit overkill
@@jeffreygettinger2134 why do people like you make these comments? If you like expensive knives, that’s great.
The truth is what it is. The Bugout is in no way a hard use knife. It’s light and meant for extremely light duty. Cutting rope, opening a letter, maybe a we bit of feather stick cutting. But that is its design. The right tool for the job. No apologies are warranted. However, it is hard to justify the price.
Then Benchmade needs to change their deceptive marketing and their retard level pricing
Tell them to make better knives that justify their absurd prices.
Ikr vg10 isn't even that expensive since it's mass produced.
Don’t apologize. The company needs to know what their product will do in the real world.
As a consumer, it is very important to know that an overpriced product isn’t worth the money. And vice versa, I want to know if a cheapo knife is a cheapo knife. The final decision is on the consumer, but the unbiased, unsponsored information is EXTREMELY important. Lee making these types of videos
I have been done with Benchmade since 2013 when they implemented MAP.
Screw those guys and their price fixing.
I paid $95 for my bugout in 2018. If it was still sub $120, complaints would be significantly fewer about the bugout.
What are you even saying? If the knife was cheaper people would not be complaining as much...duh! It's too expensive and that's why people are logically and reasonably upset.
Everything is getting more expensive but you spent $95 dollars six years ago and got a budget knife.
Today you can find a Hogue Deka with premium Magnacut steel for roughly the price of the Bugout six years ago! Also, recently I bought a Tacticle Bexar (USA Made Knife) with premium steel, for roughly $120. And then Gerber has USA made knives that are similar Bugout quality for closer to $100.
Everything in the US seems to be costing more but when you compare Benchmade with other similar companies their knives have increased significantly more it would seem.
I mean, in fairness, that is an absolutely bonkers great price on the Bexar. That knife sells at the MSRP most often and it is not really cheap for a small slip joint that is so simply constructed. I don't think it's overpriced for the quality, but it's an odd choice as a price comparison.
@@slvrnblu I can't say fer sure, but if you look around you can often find great deals on other knife brands like I did the Bexar...making the price of benchmade more questionable because I don't see them on sale as much or for as good a deal.
$120 should be the 20cv or S90V price. Instead, it's $200+ for s30v. They did bad. Hogue's Deka beats this thing hands down.
I love America and I’m from Oregon but benchmade prices are unreasonable and I refuse to buy one
I was a benchmade fan boy for about 2 decades. However, after discovering Cold Steel, I have quit buying Benchmade all together. Who else has this happened to? Lol
Never been a fan boy of any brand. Never will.
I want the Cold Steel Full Metal Atlas.
The other way around actually. But i still wont buy nearly as many benchmade's. They have their place as a more user friendly option, often with better materials and the most weight-efficient designs. Just not offering the variety and value to experiment with new knives like cold steel offers.
@@HtownDooDooBrownwhy is that strange bench made puts way more money into marketing than cold steel so people who just get into knives know about benched and prob never heard of cold steel
@@HtownDooDooBrownrandom stranger you never met calling his story off? Lol why? You have no reason other than attention seeking. Be better...
That bug out has always been a 50 dollar knife max. Being American made and made on an assembly line still makes it not worth more than 50 bucks. Even the 940 Osborne has gotten ridiculous but I still love mine. Buy a Griptillian before a Bugout.
I own an Osborne as well and carry it almost every day because I like it's sleekness. I bought it used of ebay though, years ago for $110. If it breaks eventually, I will buy another used one off of ebay. Not worth their retail price.
@BestDamnEDC My local Walmart was completely sold out of them. The gentleman working there said that one guy came in and bought everyone that he had. That's all he had was the display that he couldn't sell. He said he had one dozen on order and it would probably be at least 2 weeks before they got there. I explained to him what the whole deal was with them being sold out like that and he thanked me and put in another order for an additional two more dozen.
There's always one pos who comes in and buys em all
Love the video & honesty. Having said that, I own the Benchmade Bugout in carbon fiber & s90v steel…that knife has been through anything & everything I could put it through over the past 3 years…edc, hunting, skiing/hiking, camping, & construction work…not to mention several rounds through our washer & dryer when I forgot to take it out of my pants. I do not deliberately beat on my knives, but this one has never let me down. I own 6 different Benchmade knives along with several other brands such as Spyderco, CRKT, Kershaw, & Chris Reeve. I sent one Benchmade knife in for warranty work (mini freek which I absolutely love) due to the blade not being centered & I received my knife back within 2 weeks perfectly centered & sharpened, no questions asked. I will stand by all of my Benchmade purchases. Are they expensive? Yes. Would I buy another? Absolutely.
It sounds to me like you got a call from Benchmade and they told you that you couldn't have anymore free knives unless you made this "apology" video!
He can't hear you because benchmades ass cheeks are covering his ears
@@hdrider2071😂
Everyone hating on benchmade pricing while not batting an eyelash at spyderco who charge around the same for "plastic" handles knives. I just looked at the Lil Temperance with FRN scales and it is $333 made in Japan.
Lets not forget about WE, their prices are getting out of hand, and they are overseas made, yet again, nobody is talking about it.
I agree but Benchmade used to be a solid knife company that sold at fairly decent prices. Then they decided to try and price themselves into the collectors market instead of the user market and have gotten fairly ridiculous. It all started with the Narrows and that ridiculous $500+ price tag. I think that change is the reason users are so pissed. The fanboys just kept dropping money no matter what it cost and drooling over whatever came out next. In the end, it is the buyers that drove those prices. If people didn't keep paying the ridiculous increases then Benchmade would have stayed in the user category they were in. I love my Benchmades. I love my Bugouts that were bought at the old prices. I won't buy from Benchmade anymore unless they start making knives for the user again. I won't pay Spyderco's or WE's ridiculous prices either but since I don't like Spyderco's at all and very little of what WE puts out I don't really care what their pricing is. IMO Spyderco and WE have always been overpriced for what they put out.
Fair point about all of them raising prices, but I believe people are mad about the quality in regards to the price tag.
At 200 those scales should be titanium.
And where is the excessive, obnoxious profit in that?
At least aluminum like my 940. At $240 it's still overpriced but I do like the Osbourne. It's by no means a duty knife, but It's pretty and I like it. That said Benchmade is irritating to deal with, prices their knives too high, and there are better options out there. I wish SOG didn't suck these days, because I like the axis/arc lock.
@simpledj509chromo7 I just think for 99.9% of people a 30-50 dollar knife is all they will ever need for general use (excluding woodscraft stuff), and most people will never end up in the woods. Knives shouldn't cost more than some guns. Especially folders I can't imagine a reason to need a $80+ dollar folding knife. Where is that going it isn't strong like a fixed blade, good looking knives are for gays not men. I carry a pocket razor blade as a second blade most of the time and use it the most, it does basically everything I need till I actually get down to hard use and then I usually have a short ax on me. My only expensive knives live on my duty kit and that's for fighting only.
10 dollar knives beating a 200 dollar knives I'll be mad as well
but a $10 knife didn’t beat a $200 knife.
@@JamesStephen710 everything but the steel beat it obviously d2 isn't gonna compare to s35vn despite that also being low in it's class
They're both $10 knives. One is priced at what it's worth, the other has $190 added in to make you think you're buying a superior product. I mean who wouldn't think they are? We are trained to think expensive = good. Expensive = fancy. Expensive = cool. Expensive = exclusive.
So you did a TTD. That's a Test To Destruction for the non acronym minded.
Which is a perfectly legitimate thing to do.
The Benchmade Bugout is marketed as the only knife you need in a "Bugout" situation. So it's perfectly reasonable to conduct a abusive test for the purpose of determining exactly what it's usable parameters are.
I note for the record that another distinguished manufacturer (Cold Steel) do this routinely to their products. They don't fail.
Personally I wouldn't buy a Bugout. Too much for too little IMHO.
A Griptillian however, that's a different story
The original intention from what I gather was to test the $10 knife, but since it's almost identical to the Bugout the comparison was on the table and was useful as reference. I think what the DBK guys did with the Bugout was a reasonable qualitative test, the tests to destruction go too far, although I enjoy Joe X's videos. I just don't necessarily agree with the conclusions in the comments of this type of videos.
But yeah a Griptillian with a thumb hole is it, gotta agree with that.
My cold steel AD10 is absolutely indestructible. 125$ s35vn. I really don't know of a better value knife. It's a little chunky , but that just makes sure i don't lose it , the weight is a good reminder.
@@waxknucklebearingjuice5592 Should this be my first cold steel?
Benchmade should increase the quality of their products and lower the price. Pain and simple. They got their ass handed to them by a $10.00 Walmart knife. 🤣
Griptilian is my EDC work knife, and the Bugout with Flytanium scales is my fancy dress carry. Neither are meant for ridiculous use, but both are great folding knives, for tasks that folding knives were meant for. Yeah, BM prices have gone too high, and have become cost prohibitive for me, but the ones I bought before the prices went crazy are still great knives. Many of the knives people are listing as alternatives use the lock that Bemchmade made famous, after the patent fell off. Before that BM was the king of the folding knife world, IMO.
“They both failed in ways that you should never use your knife” is a very important statement.
Being able to break a knife by hand, regardless of the lightweight goal, simply shows that it is likely not to last long, survive rough use in a backpack, or a drop while climbing a ladder or similar... Please use eye protection when doing things that may snap the knife, it would suck to get blinded by randomness.
@@HtownDooDooBrown Really? Aluminum? G10? You can break it in half by hand with liners and everything?
@@sloanNYC When they said "by hand" they just slipped up and accidently left out the word "tools". Simple misunderstanding. Really, who would be so bold to actually make the claim they can break nearly any folding knife with nothing but their own two hands?
@@theallmighty8601 I mean... you would think... but the video is of the bugout snapping by hand...
@@HtownDooDooBrown people who say things like “man strength” just sound silly and weird. 😂
@@HtownDooDooBrown Yeah, keep telling us you are a big strong man and we will believe you! Good job buddy! You're grown up now!
Somehow this video made Benchmade look worse
Awww…benchmade’s not happy about someone else copying one of their knife models? Boo-fricking-hoo. They copied the design of the SRM 9201 and called it the Tagged Out…and slapped a 200 hundred price tag on it. Benchmade deserves all the smoke they get.
I agree strong
Part II SRM 9201 vs Tagged Out!!!
@@razmetrez Oh yeah…and didn’t they lose a lawsuit based on that hole and had to pay a percentage of of every knife sold with that hole for a few years? Again, fuck benchmade.
The video was awesome guys. Yall should mount the fallen knives on the wall behind Taylor
Houge Deka >>> Benchmade Bugout
Fully agree but I have the Deka with plastic scales and I don't know if it would perform better than the bugout in this instance. (Upgraded to custom micarta ones and now its pretty solid tough)
I have 5 bugouts and 3 Dekas ... I like the neutrality of the Bugout handle and it's a little thinner in the pocket but if I had to choose I would take the Deka , especially in Hogues magnacut
More like the griptillian, in experience.
As the better one😅
Carrying one today!
I was fortunate to get an orange Ozark Grail knife. Probably closest I'll ever get to a bugout
I bought 4 to get free shipping. Handed three over to family members. These knives are great for what they are and mine has already opened many Amazon boxes successfully 🙂
Thank you for doing a test to destruction. It's exactly what I am looking for when I'm looking at tools. It's too expensive (and sometimes, dangerous) for me to do it myself, so I really appreciate that folks like you do it. I didn't see it as a "failure" by Benchmade at all, the knife is 1.8oz, of course it is going to break at some point. I wanted to know at what point that would be, and now I know. That's why it's called a test to "destruction," not a test to "failure."
I really like that you are diving into knife testing. The improvements you plan to make show this wasn’t just for giggles, it was a valuable lesson.
I would love to see more comparisons between clone knives and the originals. That not only calls out the clones (and scam blades), but also forces bigger knife companies to look for improvements on their products.
Personally, I would love to see a gauntlet style test for multitools and their clones. Seeing the Swisstech vs leatherman wave, or the new bibury BI2049 vs the Surge would be really helpful to know if the leathermans are worth the price difference from a purely quality perspective (I’m all for supporting American made products, and I accept that paying more is what it takes to pay people a living wage. I just want to know the money goes towards American quality as well as local businesses)
It blows my mind how bothered people get to actually see gear get used. It’s no more wasteful to do a torture test than to buy a knife to leave in its box and never use but plenty of EDC guys are way into that.
I love the switch to the standardized tension in the sharpness test. I didn’t realize how variable the old method was. For me I saw two levels of testing. The “normal” stuff I might see (sharpness out of the box, how dull does it get doing “normal” cutting tasks, cardboard, string, zip ties…, how easy is it to sharpen and how sharp does it get. Then a couple of drop tests from pocket or table height. What breaks?) After that you slip into the torture testing doing things I would never, ever do to my knife. High drops and tosses, cutting wire and cables, even pulling staples. I edc a multi tool for wire and staples. Finally, I’m glad you’re looking into personal protective gear because I’m hoping you’ll continue your testing. PS: I like American made stuff and I have no issues paying more for quality, American made.
Some knives are made just to open up amazon boxes. 📦
The bug out, right?
Shoulda called it the “Amazon” 😂
Also looks like Benchmade got their feelings hurt 🤣😂😂 glad i quit supporting that company a few tears back!
Like you said, the Bugout was made for light use. Come to think about it the 10 Ozark knife is also made for light use, sounds like to me the Ozark wins again... This video simply in Low Key made the bugout look like a over price light use knife.
If you use your knife like an idiot sure...
@@jaydog77average benchmade connoisseur that thinks a $200 knife should be able to be snapped in half by your hands
@jaydog-vz6vt you seem a little upset. Did You just realize you wasted to much money 🤣🤣🤣🤣 hey it's ok it's just ,$180. You will be fine just don't use your knife other then to open boxes like it was meant for. Every time you use you will now know you wasted your money. That sucks
@@joelhernandez9823Next time you comment - try and say something sensible.
@@PeterS-r4o aww did you get your poor little feelings hurt too??? Did you also waste to much money???? Hey the Bugout is a nice knife just overpriced by $180 bucks.
Let’s talk about the elephant in the room: Benchmade COST vs. PRICE. Cost: take the MSRP and multiply by 0.4 that’s their cost +/- couple bucks, or $72.00 Simple!
Now we build the price: $72.00*1.12 = $80.64 (12% goes to distributor cut - that’s the guy that places knives with end retailers)
Next $80.64*2=$161.28 (100% markup, which is the retailer’s profit)
When you see Bugout sold for $162, or as BM calls it “Minimum Advertised Price, MAP” the profits are approximately $81 for the retailer and $9 for a distributor. If you pay full retail,.. it is, well… not wise.
How did you get those numbers? If the distributor gets his share, and the retailer gets his share, does the manufacturer get nothing then?
Seems to me you forgot to add that into the ecuation, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Unless, in your example,72 is not the COST, but the price at which they sell. Then the COST would obviously be much lower.
Walmart is going to hate this video. New one coming next week.
I just don't understand, in the comparison video he implies that he's putting the knives through the same amount of abuse. Then in this video, he states that he was putting the BM through more pressure than the Ozark. Thereby making that first video pointless, why show how they compare if you're not going to compare them equally.
If you are looking for a quality, I would recommend you going to The cutting test you can find on Cedric and Ada.
@jayr526 I've watched a couple after seeing your comment and they were great videos. Thank you for the suggestion.
Brother thank you for being real that’s why I have been watching your videos for years. Keep it up break more for the hell of it we all love to see it. I have thousands of dollars in knives and do not have a single Benchmade just because my granddad told me they sucked 20 years ago. Love the work you guys do keep it up!
I mean nothing really surprised me in the test, even the bugout snapping. The bugout was never meant to do that, it was built for the ultralight community and just happened to be one of the better selling edc knives for everyone because of the advantages of how light it is. Knowing that, it has no metal frame in it like the ozark grail so that was expected. I thought it was just a fun video showcasing that Ozark/Wal Mart has a $10 knife that someone can confidently carry, as well as just go and pick up if you needed a knife.
I was gifted a Benchmade Presidio II ($350 knife) and I really wanted to like it, but it will not hold an edge for me. I sent it back for Benchmark to sharpen it, but edge didn’t hold up 2 weeks with light duty use. Glad I didn’t spend money on it!
Potential things to add to the tests: Clip bendability - sometimes a clip has gotten caught and bent outward then doesn't work as well (also non-reversable clips should really be highlighted). Sand/mud drop test - drop it in sand or mud get some debris in it, clean it off (without taking apart) and see how well the action still works. Nylon and steel strapping for pallets is a common jobsite item in many industries that someone would use their knife for that I think is far more applicable than giant rope. Figitability...some cheaper knives may feel nice when opening and closing, but sitting around fidgeting, they come loose or fall apart...lets be real the number 1 use for a knife is fidgeting while hanging out at your desk...even more than opening packages. Emergency flat-head driver test...can you use it, does it destroy the blade, and does it feel *relatively* safe and comfortable to do so in a pinch.
I'd have to be "bugged out" and high outta my mind to buy a Benchmade.
As stated by others, don't apologize. Although I'm more of an Amazon/Walmart/Harbor Freight EDC on my budget, I appreciate honest feedback and testing.
I don't think I've bought a Benchmade product in years. They are overpriced, underbuilt, bland designs, and honestly if they are pissed at you for breaking one of their knives that says a lot about who they are as a company. If you made a video breaking an Esee in half with your hands they would warranty it and also probably be impressed. Hell they would put it on that wall of broken knives they are so proud of. There are a lot of companies that would respond to a video like that in a humble and positive way. I won't be buying from them in the future.
"im sorry Benchmade. please dont be mad at me" - this channel HAHAHA
I recently released a video on my channel testing $15 (S&W Extreme Ops) $50 (Civivi Brazen)and $180( Benchmade Bugout) knives head to head. Funny enough, the Benchmade seemed to take the most damage, the S&W held up surprisingly well and the Civivi was our top pick.
It seems that the point of diminishing returns IS around that $50-$75 price point.
(P.S I shot the video back in February, so no. I wasn’t copying Taylor’s last video.)
US knife makers have a real problem. The factories many of them OEM in are producing their own high quality knives at a fraction of the cost. The Bugout price is highway robbery, can't be justified with the materials or craftsmanship. It's Grivory and CPM S30V/S90V. The only route US makers can go to survive - premium knives at a premium price, made in USA. They can't compete below that segment.
Deka and Hogue Ritter do it for less with better materials, plus they put a much better edge on their knives. The bugout is much cheaper than griptilian, yet priced higher. BM can do better, in the long run this is going to hurt them.
in defense of the benchmade, , breaking the tip off completely ruins the knife for me in so many use cases. The real torture test that counts the most is the tip durability ,, because that is the one that will come up irl, and it won , while the 10$ knife failed instantly. You're not going to "break them in half" irl, you ARE going to put the tip in somewhere and pry.
There’s two issues that the video and the comment a seems to present:
1. Price vs. performance. The Bugout was never going to look good in that video. There is no world where it was going to be 18 times better than the Ozark Trail. There will always be diminishing returns on price vs. performance. Question is, what’s the right ratio.
2. Are Benchmade knives over priced? That’s an easy answer, because there is no one answer. The company sets the price and people pay it (or don’t). We as consumers get to decide if we think it’s overpriced. I carry a mini Bugout almost daily, I don’t remember what I paid for it and got it second hand. In my mind, it’s worth every penny of whatever I did pay. Would I spend $180 on a new Bugout, nope. If others decide to pay that price, good for them and for Benchmade. I don’t need that knife, we aren’t talking Insulin…
I love an appreciate the amount of stress you put on these knives when testing and i genuinely hope you do more reviews like the one you did . Because people really want to know just how well they’re knife is going to preform , as edc , a work knife or bush crafting
Zaan vs Xm-18 would be the best video ever. Make it happen
We've been back and forth over whether we should test them separately, or whether the Sebenza and XM-18 are a better comparison as they're both the flagships. It's a tough one but would love more input
@@BestDamnEDC I like the head to head format. When I was first getting into that next tier of edc knives I went back and forth between CRK vs Hinderer. I think you did a great job comparing the general pros & cons of the Bugout and Ozark while also torture testing them.
@@BestDamnEDCSebenza may be the flagship CRK, but it's not overbuilt like the XM18 and Umnumzaan are.
@@BestDamnEDCI think testing one at a time will be better once there are uniform tests to compare between videos. Plus, it seems easier to do on your end if you only have to worry about doing one at a time.
@BestDamnEDC I think a combo of "torture tests" AND "vs" would be great! CRK, Hinderer, and other hard use, high-end production knives deserve solo trials illustrating realistic challenges and other plausible calamities based on their specific strengths and weaknesses...done with a logical/analytical connotation. Bulk up the series with your flavor of lively, spirited, and unscripted head-to-heads...budget vs premium (authentic), look-alike vs original, clone vs real, flagship vs flagship, affordable popular knife vs affordable popular knife, yada yada yada...more options, less expensive, and a chance to flex your creativity. I think it'd be a good mix of information and entertainment.
Forgive the spelling; but do you have a link for your ?hodeko? knife you pulled out to show? Looked through your description and didn’t see anything listed.
They shouldn't be angry. They should make a better product or lower the price. They are crying because a Chinese $10 beat them. I also agree that you were harder on the ozark
I would never give my money to the company that hired the Ruby Ridge sniper no matter the quality of their products, Buying benchmade directly supports a government assasin.
Yup. The Ozark Trail will/may break.
And I can/may buy 17 more. I will be very content with that.
Sure, Benchmade has hundreds who want to buy the Bugout for $180, and I'm ok with that.
Personally, I don't see value in a knife that doesn't have full liners sold at $180 (and broke).
I work in a shop and im wondering what the best blade steel would be to keep it sharp. I have the CJRB pyrite stainless and have to sharpen it constantly. I cut rubber and plastic hoses, cardboard, mud flaps and things like that just so there is a idea of what its used for. My budget would be under $100 if possible but I know better blade material can shoot the price up extremely fast. Thanks in advance for whoever answers if you do.
The Civivi Vision FG is in my opinion the best knife available under $100. They have one in Nitro V steel that in my testing has held up really well when cutting primarily cardboard. The lock is pretty sweet too. Not sure how well the blade itself will hold up to lateral flex with the thickness of the blade stock but if you are just cutting it should hold up fine.
Hearing a lot of benchmade copium…
My local sportsmans warehouse carries two gigantic locked cases for Benchmade.
Yet they dont reguarly restock the white river, buck or kabar knives...which are objectively better per price point.
Not only are the Benchmade knives an insane price for inferior quality, many of these knives are illegal to brandish by my states laws.
Benchmade and local stores know what they're doing, price gouging, plain and simple.
This sucks because Benchmade does make a good knife...but for the price point they must get scrutinized. And thats exactly why I say;
A Benchmade blades most devastating cut is gouging prices.
Taylor, if you’re wearing gloves also wear some protective eyewear next time just in case.
I think the fact that the blade held up so well on the Benchmade says a lot. I've had a big out for 4 or 5 years now and the only problem I've had with it was that some of the screws fell out over time but Benchmade sent me new ones for free when I contacted them. Id gladly buy another one, but it'd be nice if the price wasn't so high
I’ve been saying it about the bugout since it came out. Totally not worth the money.
You shouldn’t be able to snap a knife in half. Period. It is a good looking knife, though.
Benchmade been down hill since 2016.
Wasn't a realistic test, and a bugout isn't a realistic knife. I mean 180 bucks is a LOT for a knife, and there are better options for around 70-90 bucks. I think the argument for such an expensive knife is two things - longevity and quality. The bugout feels nice, looks nice, but the longevity isn't quite there at 180.
People are right about the half liners being there for the weight reduction, HOWEVER I feel people aren't buying the darn thing FOR THE WEIGHT SAVINGS. It's their most popular knife that sucks at being an everyday compared to other options. It's meant for backpacking, use it for that.
Back when Benchmade started raising prices I promised myself I would not buy another BM knife. I have no problem affording it. But there are so many, especially now a days, that cant. At what point does it stop if people keep bending over and paying whatever is asked? I refuse to support prices so insanely ridiculous. The only way for these companies to learn is for you to not give them your money. BM very well might be making record profits now. No idea. Dont care either. SO many incredibly options out there now.
I just want to add, as a guy who purchases knives allot, I personally wouldn't want a knife you can just snap in half with your bare hands! How could I trust it for anything? If it's a POS, it's a POS! Especially for the money they want for it! I honestly will stay away from Benchmade for a bit! I want quality for my money! Not a overpriced POS knife!!!
I’ll take the $10 Walmart bugout all day
Good luck finding one.
No need to make this video to please anyone!! We all see who the clear winner was, it's up to preference! Does it make u feel good paying more money for something? To me it does! 😂 but doesn't mean that product is the best or superior than other similar products! I think this follow up video was unnecessary to please who ever this is being made for! Frickem!! 🤣 great video either way and keep staying real guys! 🇺🇸
Fixed blade edc knives are way over priced lately, 300 and up is just crazy.
Not all of them. Kizer and Vosteed both have some fixed blades for under $100 that are very good as far as I'm concerned. I have used both Kizer's Deckhand and Vosteed's Mink knives as work edc for months and they have been great. I'm no steel snob though... so if D2 or Nitro-V aren't your thing that's okay. Both knives have very useful jimping and micarta scaled handles that fit my between large and xl glove hands.
@@Jakoshdw i have been seeing new kizers and vosteeds in different videos. they look like really great fixed blades for the price. though i have shifted from fixed blades to folders not that long ago, so i will probably won't buy them any time soon. but down the road - who knows...
All knives are overpriced. I carry the Walmart ones. They have an all steel folder that is super thin that I love. I use them till I lose it or break it. I have absolutely abused walmart knives and they do decent.
For fixed blades I carry them just when I'm outdoors. I use a Gerber prodigy they the same as the strongarm but are 20-40 on sale now.
Are you taking about American made knives correct because if you are I think you need to look into what it takes to make them you know.
I know you CAN spend that much, but I really think that Esee is a good value. The Izula's and 3's are awesome for EDC and neither of them are terribly pricey.
I think a combo of "torture tests" AND "vs" would be great! CRK, Hinderer, and other hard use, high-end production knives deserve solo trials illustrating realistic challenges and other plausible calamities based on their specific strengths and weaknesses...done with a logical/analytical connotation. Variants in that tier are limited and expensive, so you could bulk up the series with your unique flavor of lively, spirited, and unscripted head-to-heads...budget vs premium (authentic), look-alike vs original, clone vs real, flagship vs flagship, affordable popular knife vs affordable popular knife, yada yada yada...more options, less expensive, and a chance to flex your creativity. I think it'd be a good mix of information and entertainment that you could run with for awhile.
Even Kershaw is kicking Benchmade's butt!
Kershaw always have kicked Benchmade & crkt butt
Who cares what bench made thinks! You know how many knife companies are out there.Benchmade is not the end all be all
The bug out is trash. I'd much rather pay 10 bucks, than 220 for a knife that I can actually break with my bear hands. Edge retention doesn't mean anything if the whole thing falls a part with some advertised "basic" uses of the tool...
Well yeah... you could EASILY break just about any knife if you had the hands of a bear!! lol...jk
You have bear hands? weird
Still love my (4) OT's, zero fails, normal use. BM can suck rocks, they are screwing customers with overpriced knives. Keep the reviews coming. Froggy.
Because of these videos you just saved me 500$ I was gonna spend with Benchmade.
I have a buggout, got it for 165, i carried it for a decent while, and I don't carry it often anymore. I love the knife, and understanding what and who it was made for is important. 99% of the time i have a pm2 with brass scales in my pocket, i just like something different, but i appreciate the literal opposite too. I like Benchmade. And honestly, everything is expensive, not just the heckin butterfly tax. Everything will always be expensive. So just like what you like, and stop hating on what you don't like.
JMHO - If company provide a knife for free, then it is a sponsor.
I love my bugout. I did replace the scales with the flytanium g10 scales. When i bought mine it was 140$ and at that time i thought it was over priced. I am left handed so the axis-lock was and is amazing. However I most likely will never buy from them again because of the price gouging. Benchmade doesn't care about anything other than making money like any other of the companies out there today.
Womp womp, if Benchmade doesn't want bad publicity, they should make a better product.
Love this video you did great
FYI I happen to have 5 of the Ozark Trail
And your right I don’t use any of my knives like you torture test
I do cut up car board and mail sharpen a pencil do a little wood carving (just started doing it ) and I also have more expensive U.S.A knives Kershaw
Hand made knives
And still just use them in everyday life I will say the I have a lawn car business and we I change mower blades I have a CRKT Squid in D2 G10 and I use it to scrap off the built up grass on the mower blades and it still is some what sharp
Have tried it with the 10.00 knife yet I just got it
Many Blessings on the Future of you career we are living what you do
Keep it up
Benchmade clearly got you to do an apology, which is a shame. You made too much of the fact that you can break a Bugout and ruin a Dropout (Ozark Trail). Who is going to do either during normal use? But the fact is, the Bugout is just plastic with no liner and washers (no bearings), and that makes it poorly designed. If Benchmade gave me a free Bugout, I'd be thrilled. But, given the choice between the Bugout and the Dropout, I'll buy a $10 Dropout (I have 2). D2 is good enough for how I use a knife, and it works great for me. I have other budget knives that I like as much or more, like the CJRB Pyrite Light. But the Dropout still does everything I need.
Benchmade got me to do an apology? 🤣 It’s okay to step outside and breathe fresh air from time to time
@@BestDamnEDC Bro some of the shade I'm seeing makes no sense... nothing you said sounded like appeasement... you were just explaining. I could never be a YTer, people get it so twisted all the damn time. Keep doing your thing bro.
@@tricky48you are so salty man what's wrong?
@@sizzling.pancake Not salty at all... but thanks for checking in on me!
@@BestDamnEDC wow, a viewer expresses an opinion, and you denigrate him by saying go outside. really classy. you literally titled the video "I'm in big trouble with benchmade", talked about how they weren't happy, and then asked for your viewer's comments and feedback. what is wrong with you? why would you write this comment? are you a professional, or just goofing off? I would hope that anyone who receives free products from high end companies with which to work would be a professional.