I know it's been three + years since you shot this. But my parents never supported my filmmaking dreams like your mom did in this video, they never had the time... Amazing. I hope she lasts you many many years.
Why I liked this...I wanted to do this type of thing myself when I was a kid in the early 60's. Those cameras were very expensive and my family wasn't rich. I had to settle for a Brownie 8mm. Anyway, I wanted to make silent movies features me and the neighborhood kids. I wish I had done it. Your video brought back those old feelings, thanks.
Hi film has more Latitude than digital cameras and a light meter would help you to work out your exposures. I work for a University in the film and Television department so if you have any question i might be able to answer them for you. We are one of the few who still teach Film in Australia.
it doesnt have more latitude... red monstro vv has 17+ stops of dynamic range, film tops out at like 12 stops on the absolute maximum, if not less. even my sony a7iii does 14 stops in video... not trying to be condescending but please stop spreading false information, it's just like these people saying vinyl has more dynamic range than cd.
haha - enjoyed that. Especially the part where I got to chortle "Dudes - you're out of film". You were so earnest about how much was left. Bless. Funny stuff :)
I got a scoopic 16M because it is electric and you can record a whole reel in one go. I also saved a large amount of money on developing costs by modifying a 35mm developing tank to take 5 feet of 16mm film just to test if the camera works. Would have cost £30 to have a test reel developed.
Food for thought Rin, you can build reflection and diffusion boxes and umbrellas. They give you way better control with your lighting no matter where you are shooting.
I'm into stills photography (35mm) but I've never done anything with movie cameras so this was exciting. That flare around 15:15 was a cool effect. Oh and your terminology usually seems fine. For the example in this video I would just say 'this lens has a maximum aperture of f/2.8'.
+Eicles i was meaning that more like "i might not use the right words but i know i dont" to avoid the comments like "ah you so supid you say that wrong" but thanks, lol :P
Very cool and something you very rarely see now days. I remember using my old Olympus film camera 24-36 shots and your done no running off 500 shots like you can with a digital lol
+loz11968 im always afraid to take too many pictures even in digital because i have a rule that i never delete anything, so any pictures i take will fill up my backup drives. thats why i have like 12tb worth of usb hard drives laying around. lol
just a thought, if you wanted to add some really old but good sounding audio for voice-ect, you could pick up an old 1940s wire recorder fairly cheap that would do the job well. they record onto a thin stainless steel wire that's in a spool. really easy to operate and fix if necessary. only 4 tubes and capacitors are an easy fix if there bad. they come with a crystal mic and they are built like a tank. just a thought if you need another project.
The usual period sound recorder would be something like a Uher 4000 series reel to reel , which is capable of high quality . The tapes can be edited by cutting and splicing , just like the film
Awesome 16mm camera! I had a nice 8mm camera and I had 8mm films rolls 1979 1980 dates. Then I borrowed it to a girl. Then I founf out she was a little bit crazy. And we never ahd any contact after that. So I don't have that camera anymore.... :P
I got the camera and film from flee markets. So i don't spend much on it. So no bigg loss. The cool thing about the cams was a triple turret :) But I hope she will use it to make a real film on it.
+Rc Awesome ive been going to thrift stores for many many many years, and gotten my projectors from thrift stores. remember though that 8mm cameras use 16mm film, it was probably an 8mm camera you saw.
no that is an issue with my digitizing process, i built a machine that runs the projector at extremely slow speed, and then a mechanical switch triggers my camera to click, but the timing sometimes would get out of wack. the film itself is prestine, its just my digitizer made from duck tape and random electrics lol. you can find my video on it if i recall.
@@RinoaL I've heard that in order to sync sound up with the film you need special motors to attach to the camera, since the camera is spring-wound and therefore inaccurate in terms of speed. Did you have to augment the speed of the video in some parts in order for the sound to match up?
it was more accurate that my iphone 5c's video syncing. if i recall it ended up being something like 3% over speed, but it was consistent so i just changed the speed to what looked to work in editing. its really not a big deal.
@@RinoaL Oh, ok, thanks! This information will help me once I get my motion picture camera! I'll know to record sounds and that my films won't have to be silent. Thanks!
+Nite Explorer except that was filmed on a camcorder from what i know instead of 16mm. and i think its a dull idea for a film. you arent just saying that because i was in the woods are you?
Hey Rinoa, how did you get your shot properly exposed without using a light meter? Thanks for the video, it's a great resource. I've been obsessed with the Bolex 16mm ever since I shot with it a number of years back. I've been thinking about buying one again, they are just too cool.
i used a light meter, but i used the one on my cellphone. iphones and whatnot have light sensors for the camera module, and so there are some apps out there that do that for you. although several times i have just gone by eye and it turned out ok.
When the spring if fully wound will it run the entire 100 ft ? I'm guessing not as I often see journalists winding their camera while filming in all the old movies.
The camera will typically run for around 30 seconds on a single wind of the clockwork motor ( depending on chosen FPS ) . Later models can accept electric motors which bolt on to the side , give sound sync capability , and will run an entire reel .
There are differences: I have an H16 REX and the later H16 REX4 which has a bigger , brighter finder . While either finder can be used for focussing before you shoot ; you can also attach a non reflex finder to the left side of the camera - this , while not looking through the lens , is much easier to use for framing a shot , and allows you to close the reflex finder while shooting , to prevent any light entering the prism if you don’t have your eye over the finder . Non reflex finders are readily available on auction sites and adjust to match the focal lengths of your lenses . Although I have two cameras , I just have the one finder which hooks onto the film door on the left side of the camera . It gives a much bigger and brighter view which for practical purposes is easier to use most of the time - the exception being if you have a subject moving towards or away from the camera and you need to follow focus , then you really need to use the reflex finder ( and rehearse the shot a few times rather than waste expensive film )
you definiately don't want to record audio with a film camera. other than to help you sync. but obviously you can just clap or do something else to help sync with an audio recorder
+I don't know yeah i experimented with having a directional mic on the camera but it just wont work with the stuff i have. i just set my recorder on the ground though and it seems to work fine.
@@RinoaL just remember to shake the camera a lot, pull the focus in and out and get plenty of frustrating and annoying shots of the ground and your feet as you run!.....:-)
f/stops assume ideal 100% light transmission. No lens can reach that due to reflectivity mainly from glass/air surfaces, the main offenders being older lenses with no coatings or even single coatings. That's why professional cine lensmakers used the T/stop, which tells the light transmission of the lens.
@mndean - the Bolex was originally made for the amateur market , hence lenses tended to be calibrated in f stops ; while there is truth in what you say ; especially re DOF , metering then setting the aperture will still give good exposure .
Cool, creepy and cute at same time, deffinitly cool, cute, yes, creepy, i realy don´t know why, since tere is no things that realy are creepy in this, so maybe just something spooky in my head...
I know it's been three + years since you shot this. But my parents never supported my filmmaking dreams like your mom did in this video, they never had the time... Amazing. I hope she lasts you many many years.
Why I liked this...I wanted to do this type of thing myself when I was a kid in the early 60's. Those cameras were very expensive and my family wasn't rich. I had to settle for a Brownie 8mm. Anyway, I wanted to make silent movies features me and the neighborhood kids. I wish I had done it. Your video brought back those old feelings, thanks.
Hi film has more Latitude than digital cameras and a light meter would help you to work out your exposures. I work for a University in the film and Television department so if you have any question i might be able to answer them for you. We are one of the few who still teach Film in Australia.
it doesnt have more latitude... red monstro vv has 17+ stops of dynamic range, film tops out at like 12 stops on the absolute maximum, if not less. even my sony a7iii does 14 stops in video... not trying to be condescending but please stop spreading false information, it's just like these people saying vinyl has more dynamic range than cd.
DJEntroP latitude and DR are not the same thing
which uni?
Great and rear example for this days of mother and son common interests and really respectful relationship!
your mom is so cool! I love the support.
+Matt Parker yeh shes pretty much my best friend.
hmm do you want two besties??? XD
Great video
haha - enjoyed that. Especially the part where I got to chortle "Dudes - you're out of film". You were so earnest about how much was left. Bless. Funny stuff :)
I got a scoopic 16M because it is electric and you can record a whole reel in one go. I also saved a large amount of money on developing costs by modifying a 35mm developing tank to take 5 feet of 16mm film just to test if the camera works. Would have cost £30 to have a test reel developed.
Food for thought Rin, you can build reflection and diffusion boxes and umbrellas. They give you way better control with your lighting no matter where you are shooting.
+skycarl this film would need a crazy amount of light though, so id rather just stuck to daylight for now.
I'm into stills photography (35mm) but I've never done anything with movie cameras so this was exciting. That flare around 15:15 was a cool effect. Oh and your terminology usually seems fine. For the example in this video I would just say 'this lens has a maximum aperture of f/2.8'.
+Eicles i was meaning that more like "i might not use the right words but i know i dont" to avoid the comments like "ah you so supid you say that wrong" but thanks, lol :P
Your cool love watching you
Found your channel looking up sound powered phones! would love to see you tinkering with more old shipping stuff
Found it via the same video.
Very cool and something you very rarely see now days. I remember using my old Olympus film camera 24-36 shots and your done no running off 500 shots like you can with a digital lol
+loz11968 im always afraid to take too many pictures even in digital because i have a rule that i never delete anything, so any pictures i take will fill up my backup drives. thats why i have like 12tb worth of usb hard drives laying around. lol
Rinoa Super-Genius
I'm the same loads of storage back ups mostly full of pictures
Denmark grips represent!
very cool!
just a thought, if you wanted to add some really old but good sounding audio for voice-ect, you could pick up an old 1940s wire recorder fairly cheap that would do the job well. they record onto a thin stainless steel wire that's in a spool. really easy to operate and fix if necessary. only 4 tubes and capacitors are an easy fix if there bad. they come with a crystal mic and they are built like a tank. just a thought if you need another project.
i dont want it to sound old and crappy though.
yeah that's true, they can sound pretty bad at times depending on the model.
The usual period sound recorder would be something like a Uher 4000 series reel to reel , which is capable of high quality . The tapes can be edited by cutting and splicing , just like the film
Awesome 16mm camera! I had a nice 8mm camera and I had 8mm films rolls 1979 1980 dates. Then I borrowed it to a girl. Then I founf out she was a little bit crazy. And we never ahd any contact after that. So I don't have that camera anymore.... :P
never lend anything you want to keep. lol
I got the camera and film from flee markets. So i don't spend much on it. So no bigg loss. The cool thing about the cams was a triple turret :) But I hope she will use it to make a real film on it.
You remind me of Adam Goldberg from the TV show
Amazing I suggest a thrift shop you can find 16mm film projectors and everything else try it I found 2 just near my house
+Rc Awesome thats a joke right?
Rinoa Super-Genius meh somewhat but I have seen some 16mm cams at the shop
+Rc Awesome ive been going to thrift stores for many many many years, and gotten my projectors from thrift stores.
remember though that 8mm cameras use 16mm film, it was probably an 8mm camera you saw.
Rinoa Super-Genius your most likely right what do you suggest when it comes to film any brand that is good ? I'm thinking of getting into this...
+Rc Awesome ive only tried Agfachrome 200d so far, seems to have a lot or grain. im really not sure of how many other brands are still in production.
What is the black artifact that occasionally appears at the top of frame? Does this camera have a pull down claw issue?
no that is an issue with my digitizing process, i built a machine that runs the projector at extremely slow speed, and then a mechanical switch triggers my camera to click, but the timing sometimes would get out of wack. the film itself is prestine, its just my digitizer made from duck tape and random electrics lol. you can find my video on it if i recall.
18:36 Nicely done! Kudos!
+Dzonemp thanks! hehe
hmmm maybe I should buy bolex too
+JeMasLT wait till i do the teardown and test of my 2nd one, it might turn out to be cheaper to buy a broken one and fix it yourself. we shall see.
How are you syncing sound with no crystal sync motor??
i dont even know what that is, its easy to sync sound in post
@@RinoaL I've heard that in order to sync sound up with the film you need special motors to attach to the camera, since the camera is spring-wound and therefore inaccurate in terms of speed. Did you have to augment the speed of the video in some parts in order for the sound to match up?
it was more accurate that my iphone 5c's video syncing. if i recall it ended up being something like 3% over speed, but it was consistent so i just changed the speed to what looked to work in editing. its really not a big deal.
@@RinoaL Oh, ok, thanks! This information will help me once I get my motion picture camera! I'll know to record sounds and that my films won't have to be silent. Thanks!
If you keep the individual clips relatively short then it won’t drift far out . The most you can
Shoot on a single wind is about 30sec anyway .
Is that a Bolex Rex-1 if I am not mistaken
a good beginning to a Blair Witch II Flick
+Nite Explorer except that was filmed on a camcorder from what i know instead of 16mm. and i think its a dull idea for a film. you arent just saying that because i was in the woods are you?
that Film is over the top for a spooky movie, get a good mic capture the sounds, throw in a little blood here and there lol
Hey Rinoa, how did you get your shot properly exposed without using a light meter? Thanks for the video, it's a great resource. I've been obsessed with the Bolex 16mm ever since I shot with it a number of years back. I've been thinking about buying one again, they are just too cool.
i used a light meter, but i used the one on my cellphone. iphones and whatnot have light sensors for the camera module, and so there are some apps out there that do that for you. although several times i have just gone by eye and it turned out ok.
Thats awesome, thanks for your response. Keep shooting :)
Rinoa "super-genius"
When the spring if fully wound will it run the entire 100 ft ? I'm guessing not as I often see journalists winding their camera while filming in all the old movies.
+OverUnity7734 no, only like 25 feet per winding
The camera will typically run for around 30 seconds on a single wind of the clockwork motor ( depending on chosen FPS ) . Later models can accept electric motors which bolt on to the side , give sound sync capability , and will run an entire reel .
My grandmother has the exact same table...
+Strexcorp Synernists INC yeah my greatgrandmother gave me these. they are tv trys from the 70s or 80s
Wide angle lens must be mount on the bottom of the turret!
why?
The tele must be on the top mount, the 25mm on the center mount and the WA on the bottom. To eliminate vignetting .
I'm curious how do you sync the sound up after the film has been developed? Do you have your film scanned to mp4 and then add it in or not?
+proudtobeautistic i made a film scanner, but i could just find the audio clips and edit the audio to be played with the film.
I just got the same model and still has to arrive but I've been reading the viewfinder is not as good as the newer models. is it a concern to you?
viewfinder works great
There are differences: I have an H16 REX and the later H16 REX4 which has a bigger , brighter finder . While either finder can be used for focussing before you shoot ; you can also attach a non reflex finder to the left side of the camera - this , while not looking through the lens , is much easier to use for framing a shot , and allows you to close the reflex finder while shooting , to prevent any light entering the prism if you don’t have your eye over the finder . Non reflex finders are readily available on auction sites and adjust to match the focal lengths of your lenses . Although I have two cameras , I just have the one finder which hooks onto the film door on the left side of the camera . It gives a much bigger and brighter view which for practical purposes is easier to use most of the time - the exception being if you have a subject moving towards or away from the camera and you need to follow focus , then you really need to use the reflex finder ( and rehearse the shot a few times rather than waste expensive film )
you definiately don't want to record audio with a film camera. other than to help you sync. but obviously you can just clap or do something else to help sync with an audio recorder
+I don't know yeah i experimented with having a directional mic on the camera but it just wont work with the stuff i have. i just set my recorder on the ground though and it seems to work fine.
scary movie would be fun..
+KcLee677 i dont think so, id rather make something that could have a deeper meaning than just "oh look, heres some blood and a monster". lol
Rinoa Super-Genius well you can make one of spooky man in Splender suit LOL
Your tripod would be too light and weak for this heavy camera.
Perfect for faking a Bigfoot sighting!
+oOMonkeyMagicOo oh yeah, maybe use expired film to give it a washed-out look.
@@RinoaL just remember to shake the camera a lot, pull the focus in and out and get plenty of frustrating and annoying shots of the ground and your feet as you run!.....:-)
f/x.x is the aperture or iris.
+shaneman27 well i know that, lol
F/stop numbers are only accurate for depth of field, they don't tell you how much light to the film the lens will give you for that given f/stop.
+mndean i dont think thats right.
f/stops assume ideal 100% light transmission. No lens can reach that due to reflectivity mainly from glass/air surfaces, the main offenders being older lenses with no coatings or even single coatings. That's why professional cine lensmakers used the T/stop, which tells the light transmission of the lens.
@mndean - the Bolex was originally made for the amateur market , hence lenses tended to be calibrated in f stops ; while there is truth in what you say ; especially re DOF , metering then setting the aperture will still give good exposure .
Cool, creepy and cute at same time, deffinitly cool, cute, yes, creepy, i realy don´t know why, since tere is no things that realy are creepy in this, so maybe just something spooky in my head...
Мда. Поразительно убогая картинка. Смысл в пленке если на цифру тож самое эмулировать можно