FIXING A 1900's STEAM HAMMER! Pt. 4
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Oh my god, I am actually crying at the shout out - I never thought my patent knowledge would ever be helpful outside of the office... I'm so glad I was able to help - I've been watching and following for YEARS!!
Well done!
8:10 a line borer could be the tool to use here. instead of moving the hammer to the mill, move the mill to the hammer! CEE has quite a few videos where he uses a line borer. edit: or horizontal boring mill, if there is a shop around that has one. way less sketchy in terms of setup.
CEE are great, and just what I was going to say.
Lathe is a good makeshift too, blondihacks has been using lathe for larger castings for years now.
It's been said, if/when the world just loses everything CNC because of EMP or something, manual lathes will save us.
@@ToreDL87 horizontal boring mill would also work. you already have a mounting surface (i.e. where it mounts to the body) and then just indicate. of course, that's stationary, so would have to be brought somewhere to be done.
Came here to post exactly this and someone beat me to it. Line borers are really expensive though, but maybe a day rental would work?
I usually do Steamchesrs on a Hor Borer or a VTL
A small one like that I'd probably do on my VTL.
Faster to set up then do it on a HBM upto a certain size
Line borer would really be not the optimal machine for a steamchest, unless you really had to do it in the field.
The bores need to be perfectly straight and a line borer isn't really capable of doing that without hours and hours of set up.
You can't just put taper cones and tack your supports on for something like this you need a much more thorough set up.
Yep. Watch CEE. Quite quite a few videos of line boring on there
I'm so invested in this series and I have no idea why. It's critical to me that you succeed in getting this power hammer working.
What does he need another hammer for? Who knows. Let’s not get bogged down in details.
Jamie was actually correct in putting the lathe in the part: the tool that you would use to fix that bore or any precision hole in large objects is called a line borer
Not always. For mass production, stuff gets put on a boring mill, horizontal table type or vertical lathe. Just more convenient to use some giant machine when you dont have any established geometry yet and need to cut through an inch of casting shell and other filth.
As a chemical/mechanical engineer, I'd just add my 2 cents here:
The "correct" way to install a slip-on flange (which I think resembles the piece you made) is it need to be welded in 2 places. The pipe end goes into the hole of the flange, and the tip of the pipe is welded to the inside of the hole in the flange, and the second weld goes around the stem of the pipe as it meets the base of the flange (like you did here).
Because when pressure is added to the system, both the flange and the pipe will try and expand, but because the flange is much thicker in the radial direction, it will give a lot less. So, there will be an expansion differential between the pipe and the flange, which will create tension and torque. If the end of the pipe simply meets the surface of the flange, and it's held on by the corner weld, the shearing force produced by the expansion differential will be picked up by the weld. If you push the pipe through, it will be picked up by the pipe wall and the two welds. This solution you did here will probably work for low cycle times and low pressures, but I'd absolutely recommend buying some ready-made flanges and installing those. Although if it worked with that swiss cheese atrocity, it'll run with your setup, but maybe I could add something valuable to the conversation here.
(Also, I'm not quite sure how well I managed to translate the explanation to English, I don't know any of the terminology im English, because I graduated in Hungary)
Your English was excellent!
Always the people with the most perfect English apologizing for their english
Standard flanges normally have a raised face and gramophone grooves for better gasket seating.
You could try and flip the mill head by 90 degrees. Therefore being able to bolt the casting onto the mill table by the large flat mounting surface. You now only need to indicate the spindle axis parallel to the table in both directions and then align the bore axis to the spindle.
This would avoid having to hang anything off of the table and probably give you a more rigid setup.
Also doesn't have to be perfectly aligned, just well enough to bore out the sleeve
If, when machining, you feed the part (using table moment) and you don't feed the quill, then precise indication of the spindle axis to the table isn't necessary.* You only need to make sure the existing bore on the part is parallel to the table axis in both directions. Alternately, if you can do all the feeding with the quill (and not move the table), then you don't need the existing bore of the part parallel to the table. You can just indicate the quill to the existing bore.
* The alignment needs to be close, or you get an elliptical shaped hole instead of a round one. For example, if I assume the bore size is 100 mm. and the the quill were misaligned by 1 degree, then the bore would be 100 mm in one direction and about 100.02 mm (0.0008 inches) in the other. I suspect this is still smaller than the tolerances that the machine can hold. So 1 deg misalignment wouldn't worry me at all.
@@andrewsnow7386 True, however I would always feed with the table and not with the quill if at all possible. Ive never understood the reflex of so many bridgeport users to use the quill for anything other than drilling. Youre sacrificing quite a lot of rigidity on not a terribly stout machine to begin with.
@@aaronsilas7024 don't need to use the quill. you can still feed the part with the table sideways!
Aw man! We could've had an Alec Steele and CEE Australia crossover.
i would love to see that.
I was just saying he needs to call Curtis from Cutting Edge Engineering.
Too bad he’s in AUS..
CEE walks all over Alec in machining skills...
@@nycsox987 why be so negative ? we all know this Alex is a blacksmith.
Alec I could watch two hours plus of you just fiddling with stuff in the shop, seeing you get over every single barrier that’s thrown in front of you is truly inspiring
Alec, renting a line-bore solution might be easier to clean-up the bore. Dismantling the hammer was not needed.
Unless he needs to bore out more than the one. And taking it apart allows him to clean it up properly.
Oh but it was if for no other reason than content.. lol😂
Thank you, Jamie, for not saying "Gruyère cheese" here 4:06! Your trip to Chamonix has been very useful...🧀
Trying to fix a 1900's steam hammer is like trying to convince a cat that water is fun - challenging, messy, and entertaining to watch!
Guy made his hobby a career. Admirable.
That's pretty much what YT is... at least the good part of it.
@@blackoak4978and the bad bit is reaction videos and cryptobollocks.
Oh no, the video is over... Listen guys, you have to increase the length of your videos to 25-30 minutes
My exact thoughts.
Better yet, 1-2 hours
Not good for watch time sadly, they’re probably trying to make them not so long to improve video performance.
Inheritance Machining does videos around 30 minutes long, those minutes fly by very quickly too. I completely understand Alec Steele prioritizing bite size videos for viewer retention since this is what he does for a living! Fair enough
Nord VPN and Squarespace said no.
I wonder how far back in our evolution we started to develop a satisfaction for things being released from a very tight space. Seems like such a primal pleasure.
And this was the day Alec learned that Line Boring is a thing
or a horizontal mill
Alec always talks about “need a tool, make a tool,” and making a wrench may be the best example I can remember.
Have you considered cylinder liners? Machine a thin cylinder to fit tightly inside the existing cylinder. It slightly decreases the diameter, but gives you a nice new shiny surface, and can be easily replaced if damaged.
The cylinder already has a liner. A liner inside a liner doesn’t sound like a good idea.
@@markfergerson2145 he can weld the old liner to the casting, but i dont think it is necessary.
The unending optimism of these two to try and remove jammed components without wd40 or heat again and again is really inspiring.
Use dry ice to cool the liner and press it out (or pull it)
Works very well. It just needs time to get cold and shrink. Couple of hours packed full of ice (inside the sleave) and it should do the trick
If you really wanted to get that sleeve out you'd cut it in half and bang the two halves out. Cut it in half very carefully. Really you could stop before you were all the way through then just beat the snot out of it. It's called divide and conquer.
I just want to say Alec, I've been watching for a while, and I don't do any blacksmithing or any of the things you do so well. But you somehow make such enjoyable content I just want to watch anyway.
You've made me a fan just because you are so enjoyable to watch and real with how you approach new situations.
Anyway, thanks for all you do!
Loving this series, something very satisfying about restorations.
I also love the learning-as-we-go-along. I don't know how to fix it either, so I'm sharing the wonderment and confuzzling journey.
You and jamie get little brother big brother energy and im here for it
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I followed you since you were in your first workshop. To see how far you've come and gone. I love that you've inevitably come back to your roots in england. With Jamie who you've now made a huge part of the channel. I just love everything about your channel. Keep up the good work Alec
this one was extra fun with all your interactions! Also, always impressed by the fact that you manage to do a fun and visual ad for your sponsor everytime!
The easiest way is to get a hooning tool the will clean the surface,like they use for cylinder for piston and rings, then you can use a drill to spin it.
That sounds a like a great idea.
Hooning is what you do after honing the piston cylinders😆
Do you guys not have anyone who can come and line bore this? Hell , you have the tools in YOUR SHOP, to cut out the old press fit sleeve and manufacture a new one. Mind you putting it in would be tricky. But you guys are making so much more work for yourself.
Putting a new liner in shouldn't be too hard as long as they can get liquid nitrogen to put the liner to shrink it and heat the hole. The hardest part is usually the removal of the old liner
@@HootMaRoot RIGHT!!! But a few passes with a line boring machine and the old sleeve would be paper thin.
@@Vetbuilt not to mention the valve will then need to be reworked to fit the bigger bore
You've come a very long way since the ~8000 or so subs you had when I started watching, Alec. Pretty incredible, honestly. Never stop being curious, never stop learning, and always push what you think you can do further!
I have really missed these multi-part long-form projects on the channel.
It's what originally got me to sub and I've been sorely missing them, ever since you moved back to the UK.
More of them, please! 😁
Great to see more of the steam hammer rebuild. 14:15 ... you would have made the end an R8 taper or what ever your mill is. Looking forward to seeing your mill set up on this one.
Alec Steele and a CEE Colab is what we need! Shame their on different ends of the earth!
If Alec were to, say spend a summer with Curtis at Cutting Edge Engineering in Australia, he would be a great deal farther down his path toward eventually becoming a monster of a machinist/technician/blacksmith/welder/fabricator/repairer of all things. And it would make for some STUNNING content.
it is crazy how much i dont care about steam power hammers but i keep coming back to watch because you are so entertaining
Watching you work your way through the snags with the steam hammer is excellent entertainment and all in the worthiest cause of bringing a beautiful piece of old industrial machinery back to life. As an old engineer it makes my heart feel good to know that the next generation is learning from the giants upon who’s shoulders we stand, as I did too.
If I might offer a tip, I hope you’ll not be offended…Next time you want to remove studs, rather than chewing them up with a pair of pump pliers, simply thread two nuts onto the stud, tighten them against each other and unscrew the stud using a spanner on the lower nut.
If it’s particularly stubborn and the nuts are tending to turn on the stud, you may find it helpful to use a pair of spanners (one on each nut) arranged so that you can grip them with one hand, tightening them together, whilst again unscrewing the stud using the lower nut.
Hope that helps, it’ll certainly keep your studs in good nick rather than damaging/weakening them and turning them into scrap.
As any chap knows, a pair of nuts can often make the difference between success and failure.
One other thing, East Anglia did have quite a bit of industrial heritage but it’s true that little now remains. One of the not inconsiderable names of note was William Crane of Great Fransham, near Dereham, who started out as a blacksmith and built a business that manufactured things from bicycles to tank transporters. It later merged with Freuhauf to become the huge multinational corporation of Crane Freuhauf that produces heavy machinery that’s used all over the world.
There’s also Ransomes down in Ipswich that has grown and prospered from small beginnings over the last 100 years or so, but there were numerous others that began during the industrial revolution, now sadly consigned to the pages of history.
Cheers ol’buck, you’re doing a good job there.
R.
Holy crap Alec haha I cannot wait to see how you set this operation up 👏🤣
Every time you say "my neighbor Steve", my brain plays Gold Shaw Farm's 🎵Myyyyyyyy buddy Alfred ...🎶
WELCOME BACK TO PART 4 EVERYONE!
OKAY...... THAT NORDVPN add was hands down the best one lol
What a beautiful dog ! Thank you for taking us on this journey as you restore this piece of history
Jaime taking the piss out of Alec is what I'm here for.
The knowledge expertise and fun continues its great to see you grow a little more with every project you do
We need longer videos man I'd very happily sit down for a 20-30 minute video
4:11 😂 outstanding punning!
Ten days getting a shaft ground ☺
Interesting episode 2x👍
Man, I can't be waiting to watch the next episode for so long!
Let us binge!
Other channels: an entire video dedicated to just making a custom boring bar
Alec: less than 30 seconds of a video allotted to montage making a custom boring bar in a series about restoring a completely unrelated tool XD
Alec if you wanna learn by watching someone who knows what he's doing at work, then I'd recommend Cutting Edge Engineering Australia.
It's a small business with a youtube on the side, they primarily work on mining equipment so line booring and sleeves are things Curtis has done a million times.
I don't remember what video, but he removes a press fit sleeve using a acetylene torch by heating a narrow band on the inside of the sleeve. Making it contract and effectively reducing the circumference, letting you pop it out with a hammer.
My favorite series so far
I love this, I could watch it all day, makes me wanna fix something too.
Jamie gnawing at the pipe was gold. I hope they paid extra for that!
Fun to watch a machinists' method vs a pipe fitter(myself). Great series, you've always got such interesting stuff going on.
Thanks for sharing from winnipeg Canada
Love to see the interactions between both of you!
This project is slowly becoming the The Steam Hammer of Theseus
I must say, even the advertisements in Alec's videos are fun to watch! 😂
I feel like I could watch you guys work for hours:)
you could get a cylinder honing tool
That bore needs a bit more than a hone.
I love how the giant lamp is just in the background 😂
ya know, I have to say When I ever see youtubers, even ones I love, do any video with their camera guy or a colab with someone it somehow always comes across as slightly awkward at best. But I LOVE your relationship Jamie and absolutely everyone you ever do a video with. Its always absolutely genuine and personable and entertaining.....and with Jamie absolutely hilarious how you both play off each other. Cheers and always keep up the good work. Love your videos.
Chemistry!
I feel like that must be one of the best things about being a machinist, if you don't have a tool you can just make it.
I am amazed to see the progress, this project had such a rough start but it is really looking up!
that lamp you built in the background is so cool!
this is one of the coolest Projects ever
I love how they're just like, "what if we tried this?"
4:15 - I was expecting a Squarespace ad, and then you chose Nord VPN instead, lol. Love the hose shenanigans :P
14:53 - 90 degwees and pefectwy awigned! X'D
As others have mentioned, line borers are the way to go for this. However, if you’re stuck on using the bridgeport, you could almost certainly rotate the milling head, and use the ram to get the mill head stuck out far enough that you could mount the cylinder vertically on the mill table.
Getting a new generation interested in milling and welding
5:27 Jamie gnawing at a pipe 😂😂😂
Such a good video! Thanks Alec
I think that lathe idea was a good one too - good luck with this challenging setup!
4:11 "not very goudah" 😂
I like watching along as the videos come out on these large projects but I also like binge watching them after. I don't know why....
This is a great project to watch!
Yeah I hope he gets it going. Anything could be a show stopper though.
these need to be longer!
Great video as always, I do like these restoration and problem solving videos :)
Don't know if it would be good enough, but, Cylinder Hone? Love your interplay with Jamie, and your problem solving.
Olá impressionante o trabalho!!!
Acompanhando sempre que possível!
Boa sorte sempre!!!!
I love the words “Send It”! :)
I love this series
the editing on this video and every video is amazing great job!
That is what portable line boring machines are for, any local heavy machinery repair shop should have one
That's good for those machine shops. It doesn't do someone that doesn't have one much good though.
Tip for making bend templates, take a pice of tig welding filler rod and use it for mockup. Saves you a lot of materials. Looking forward to seeing this thing working again.
Alec, Love the Nord bit!! :)
Cheers!
I don't know if you've watched Dominic Chinea's channel. He has a massive mill for exactly this type of job. Worth a look.
Radial arm drill I think. but I was definitely thinking “Doms got just the thing”
...and it was all done by three mates in a shed. The story of British engineering at its finest.
Love this series
hey Alec, lil tip next time you need to bend tubing. Use some welding rod and bend where you need, then match the tube or pipe to match the bends of the welding rod.
Keep up the great work kid!!!
Awesome vid!
This guy needs to watch Curtis at cutting edge engineering (Australia) - he'd get things sorted for you in no time, plus would sort any shop made tools for you too 👌🏼
No this job would take anyone some time. It's a lot of heavy work.
I usually do steamchests on either or a Horizontal boring mill, vertical borer or a lathe when i rebuild hammers
I bored out one recently for a Niles 1000 Weight hammer.
Now THAT is a commercial for Nord VPN. Bravo
Can you tilt the head to 90° then mount the face that mounted to the body of the hammer to the table of the mill. I do it quite often on my bridgeport.
Just so you two know, the thumbnail worked really good, so it was worth taking it off just for that
"Not very Gouda..." I got that pun!
Crikey Alec when you cut that thing out with the plasma cutter, it looked like the dog had chewed it out, rougher than a Polar Bears arse 😂 did make me giggle more than it should.
05:00 Alec at peak efficiency ;D
Looking good! Might want to consider line-boring that though. Super simple to make one, just a smooth round bar (think turned ground polished) and a set of flange bearings. For a drive, a mag drill works great. You could even bore out the cylinder this way.
I've done lower wicket gate bearings on hydroelectric stations this way and got a 6 in bore on location within a few tenths. Over 8 feet away from the other side of the bearing....
This is just great 😅 don't hurt yourself and good luck 🤞
It's nice to be able to make your own tools!
Yay!! Another never ending project….. thanks so much Lol
Gonna be honest, it is time to take up some wood working. Build a platform that can hold that massive thing out of 2x4, then decide if that is going to be sturdy enough for what you need or just the shape you need for making a holder out of metal. Then you need some way of keeping everything still while it is milling, which the weight should help with. So ratchet straps would probably work.