Muskoka murders: Closing in on the killers - The Fifth Estate

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  • Опубликовано: 3 ноя 2019
  • There are new developments in the cold case that has shocked and captivated Canadians. The Muskoka murder mystery (The Fifth Estate) and The Cat Lady Case Podcast (CBC Uncover) told of the disappearance and presumed killing of 77-year-old Joan Lawrence and three other senior citizens in Ontario cottage country more than 20 years ago. The lead police investigator sits down with The Fifth Estate for the first time, talking about developments in the case in a special episode updating the investigation. Police spent years searching for bodies, clues and answers but none of the four missing people has been seen since, none of their bodies ever found and no one has been held accountable for their disappearance. The Fifth Estate has reported on police documents describing the theory that Lawrence was killed to prevent her from reporting theft and fraud related to the so-called retirement properties where she was living. Police say in all, 16 people living on the properties had money stolen.
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  • @scarlet8078
    @scarlet8078 4 года назад +47

    As an American, I sometimes feel like Canada puts criminals' rights above victims' rights. I'm sure plenty of Canadians might accuse us of being the opposite, but in a case like this, I don't understand why Canada won't arrest these people.

    • @waypay1
      @waypay1 3 года назад +8

      They absolutely do put criminals' rights over victims' rights. See the documentary Dear Zachary. That story is even worse than this one. 😢

    • @annacostello5181
      @annacostello5181 2 года назад +4

      Whole UK system is soft on sentences 💁🏼

    • @rebelboy77collins82
      @rebelboy77collins82 7 месяцев назад +1

      Not right

    • @Pixie.Little
      @Pixie.Little 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@annacostello5181
      Too soft... The UK should double and treble sentemces

    • @andykerr3803
      @andykerr3803 5 месяцев назад +4

      As a Canadian... You are not wrong.

  • @DarkAngel71180
    @DarkAngel71180 4 года назад +86

    Laan Family: "Yup, it was us. We robbed and killed 4 elderly people."
    OPP: "This is an ongoing, open investigation and we are seeking additional information."

    • @JM-qf1vb
      @JM-qf1vb 4 года назад +4

      🤔🤦

    • @mswoo1575
      @mswoo1575 4 года назад +7

      It's crazy, right?!?!

    • @leviny
      @leviny 4 года назад +6

      Insanity 😂😂😂

    • @soonergal1422
      @soonergal1422 2 года назад +4

      This is stupid, it doesn't take that long to know and see the fraud that they committed . The money trail is obvious and in plain sight. The Laan Family murdered them.

    • @lenafranklin7262
      @lenafranklin7262 2 года назад +1

      Seema, yes the dodgy police department cover it up they basically get paid off as well. See how slimly the police man's smile is ?

  • @always_b_natural703
    @always_b_natural703 4 года назад +86

    I looked after my MIL until her death. She was a lively, fun woman. When I think of someone taking advantage of her in her last, most vulnerable years, it makes me sick to my stomach. These people are despicable. May they get their full due.

    • @martytruelove5026
      @martytruelove5026 3 года назад +3

      These Pricks will be elderly very soon,I hope they live a miserable existence their final years,I don't know of any more deserving.

  • @jessicamurphy9159
    @jessicamurphy9159 3 года назад +65

    I came across this story a couple years back and I think of the lady who lived in a garden shed with her cats often. Those people are evil. How can you treat people like that? It’s unreal

    • @lisadolan689
      @lisadolan689 Год назад

      Humans are revolting

    • @Pixie.Little
      @Pixie.Little 6 месяцев назад

      Greed has many characters it seems and Evil more🤔😭

  • @oldbat2ccats
    @oldbat2ccats 4 года назад +512

    Elder abuse is right up there with child abuse. It’s so cruel and pointless.
    Please bring them justice

    • @ziblot1235
      @ziblot1235 4 года назад +18

      agree but it is swept under the carpet. These elders in many cases are prisoners, no access to phones, internet (Or knowledge of) Many are Demented. Its a sad thing. I took care of my Ma the last 4 or 5 yrs of her life. Then everybpdy .saids "why di you get the house, all that money etc etc. Because I was her friend. I bathed her, I sat u with her, listened to her, took her todoctor, I had no life to speak of, but I owed her.

    • @samerassaf1144
      @samerassaf1144 4 года назад +5

      Not going to happened after all it's the Canadian police we're talking about

    • @shannonbloom4133
      @shannonbloom4133 4 года назад +5

      This elder abuse wasn't pointless. Owners of the homes were stealing money. Money was what it was all about.

    • @multipleorsevereviolations1158
      @multipleorsevereviolations1158 4 года назад +1

      you know what's a huge factor in elder abuse? Interracial attendants. Look it up don't believe me check it out for yourself. you vote for those whole torture you when you're helpless. fools

    • @sebastianxavier3637
      @sebastianxavier3637 4 года назад

      Amén

  • @KingMatiCBeats
    @KingMatiCBeats 4 года назад +342

    That is just cruel and the fact no one has been arrested is insane.

    • @samlsd9711
      @samlsd9711 4 года назад +24

      Welcome to Canada. Lazy RCMP understaffed and low skills.. Each is responsible to protect one another as individual in this country. Nobody relies on the police in Canada.

    • @KingMatiCBeats
      @KingMatiCBeats 4 года назад +10

      @@samlsd9711 dam that really sucks i had no clue it was like this in Canada

    • @meichong8278
      @meichong8278 4 года назад +4

      I thought the mounties always got their man

    • @tjlightningbolt
      @tjlightningbolt 4 года назад +1

      They weren't smoking a Joint!

    • @thorgrootsweetrabbit2244
      @thorgrootsweetrabbit2244 4 года назад +9

      Even if they arrest them there'll be no justice, a few years in prison and they'll walk free.

  • @stevenbartolini
    @stevenbartolini 4 года назад +193

    "Just a matter of time" says the cop who's been investigating the missing persons case for 20 years.

    • @supercooled
      @supercooled 4 года назад +7

      He's not wrong. 1 week or 1 decade (or two) is still time.

    • @kareno8634
      @kareno8634 4 года назад +1

      Oooooo. I heard that Too - in the Same way. my comment w\in reflected the very notion.

    • @jordanspencer7992
      @jordanspencer7992 4 года назад +5

      stephen roth That’s what they always say n now and again they get lucky with a really cold case and usually it’s a member of public that decided to come forward with information that opens a case back up , not coz police are working hard at them.When they do get lucky they make a big old deal all over papers n t.v in hopes it will pacify the public for a while.

  • @LisaNH934
    @LisaNH934 4 года назад +147

    I've followed this case for years. Thank you Fifth Estate for keeping it 'alive'. Some people may not be familiar with it, some may have info on the Laans family since 1998 and may put pressure on them. I hope some questions will be answered...

    • @jordanspencer7992
      @jordanspencer7992 4 года назад +6

      I agree ,this case is so sickening and it seems that the police are abusing them in death just as the laan family did in life.They took advantage thinking nobody would care to keep these peoples names and cases going until solved.It seems to me that the laan family have got away with their sick crimes as the police seem to have just let them walk. I have heard this story once before but I have only ever seen fifth estate report on it further.Why are the police not doing anything about that family?smh

    • @jillsmcfarland2001
      @jillsmcfarland2001 3 года назад +2

      They get paid either way.

    • @jillsmcfarland2001
      @jillsmcfarland2001 3 года назад +2

      Research the 5th estate

    • @LisaNH934
      @LisaNH934 3 года назад +6

      Didn't the Laan family hire an attorney to try to sue the 5th estate? (I could be wrong) I'll check. Yeah, cops in the U.S. are much the same. Very sad.

    • @kitten4015
      @kitten4015 3 года назад +2

      You should not thank The Fifth Estate for this report. They have evidence that proves the killer. Thankfully others have evidence that they know what happened!

  • @clareharding3919
    @clareharding3919 4 года назад +186

    Followed this case for years and I really can’t believe that in this age of forensic science, these perpetrators are still at large. Such a sad end to these vulnerable people at the hands of such an evil and vile family

    • @krisniznik3953
      @krisniznik3953 4 года назад +5

      They don't have forensics, that's the problem. They'd have to find the missing people first for that.

    • @phinagage6085
      @phinagage6085 4 года назад +3

      There would be justifiable reasons for any of the Laan family's DNA to be on the possessions of the missing individuals and the property. With no bodies, there is no useable forensics.

    • @awsomeguy1278
      @awsomeguy1278 4 года назад +1

      Miriam Harding in the US they need a body

    • @rebeccarhyneer884
      @rebeccarhyneer884 4 года назад +3

      david morse Incorrect. It used to be that way. Now it is not necessary if certain other evidence is found.

    • @thespiritmessage
      @thespiritmessage 2 года назад

      This is just the type of family that has probably carried on with smalltime criminal activity. Its awful that there is no concrete evidence because the circumstantial evidence is crazy.

  • @ellebelle8515
    @ellebelle8515 4 года назад +49

    We need to take elder abuse seriously. If you suspect it, don't look away. If people had stepped in much earlier, all four of these people could have been rescued from this evil family.

  • @xxx-not666
    @xxx-not666 4 года назад +340

    Why have the Laans never been charged with fraud? WHO IN LAW ENFORCEMENT IS PROTECTING THAT FAMILY?

    • @lizh4933
      @lizh4933 4 года назад +46

      My thoughts exactly. Elder abuse charge at the very least. Pockets are being lined and palms greased.

    • @ronnydonny7270
      @ronnydonny7270 4 года назад +16

      Kathleen got 9 months and the brothers pleaded guilty and promised to pay back some money. 24:27 ruclips.net/video/b2BAieMXRxc/видео.html

    • @xxx-not666
      @xxx-not666 4 года назад +21

      @@ronnydonny7270 I listed to 24:27, not a single mention of any of them being charged or imprisoned for the fraud against the elderly people. Kathleen was found guilty of stealing from a Christian school and one of the men did 11 years for an unrelated crime.

    • @bananka4905
      @bananka4905 4 года назад +28

      i agree, when it comes to small towns , the police are always most likely in on it as many are related or deal with each other in some way. i know. i lived in a small town and had a terrible experience with one of he opp when a man attacked me and got away with it because he worked for a relative of the opp. i will never move to small town again.

    • @camvin575
      @camvin575 4 года назад +10

      @@bananka4905 Oh wow that's disgusting how you were treated.
      When things like this happens I think "welcome to the west everybody where the murderers are protected and the victims are demeaned," smdh.

  • @ROSEMARY1925
    @ROSEMARY1925 4 года назад +58

    This is absolutely horrible elder abuse is ramped, my mother was a victim of it but I got her justice and they paid for it.👍👍👍

    • @alysononoahu8702
      @alysononoahu8702 2 года назад +3

      Rampant

    • @cappsginny699
      @cappsginny699 2 года назад +3

      Rampant, not ramped

    • @Pixie.Little
      @Pixie.Little 2 года назад +4

      Rose I'm so glad you got justice for your mum. Well done to you. 💖⚖️😊from UK

    • @Zoubirking-1970
      @Zoubirking-1970 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@Pixie.LittleI’m regular in folklore coffee in old high street in Folkestone 😊 how is you

    • @Pixie.Little
      @Pixie.Little 6 месяцев назад

      @@Zoubirking-1970
      Zoub hi there.
      I come on holiday there a fair bit. Just back in Oct. It's a friendly place I find. Must drop you a line when I'm going to be there next Sprin or Summertime xx

  • @pinco40
    @pinco40 3 года назад +49

    All these wonderful people who saw that poor lady being taken advantage of, and no one took the time to help her out?!!!

    • @epizzle9232
      @epizzle9232 3 года назад +4

      Right? I don’t understand this at all.

    • @youtube_username_
      @youtube_username_ 2 года назад +2

      There would be no way to get that lady to move into your spare room without her insisting on bringing her cats - not gonna happen. Someone should have contacted the authorities, though.

    • @pinco40
      @pinco40 2 года назад +1

      @@youtube_username_ Fair point

    • @jboss119
      @jboss119 2 года назад

      Hindsight is 20/20

    • @pinco40
      @pinco40 2 года назад +1

      @@jboss119 True, but it's also a sad indictment of our society these days.

  • @johnnydtractive
    @johnnydtractive 4 года назад +29

    Great job, Bob McKeown & the Fifth Estate. I've followed this story since you've made it public--YOU are the ones giving a voice to the 16 people who died while in the care of the Laan family, including the 4 whose disappearances/deaths were never reported. It's clear to me that if you had not pursued this story the OPP would have allowed these cases to become cold & forgotten. The Laan family stole money from these vulnerable elderly & disabled people & forced them to live in filthy unsanitary dangerous substandard conditions. When they couldn't get more money out of them, the Laans coldbloodedly murdered 4 (and possibly more) of the most vulnerable people in our society. OPP needs to work harder to bring these sociopaths to justice.

  • @danielm.edwards1977
    @danielm.edwards1977 4 года назад +12

    It is worth mentioning, that viewing many of these The Fifth Estate programs, the production and camera work on them are quite impressive.

  • @debbieguitor1745
    @debbieguitor1745 4 года назад +44

    It’s incomprehensible that nobody has come forward with information needed to break this case. These missing people were once loved by parents, or spouses or children and deserve so much better than this.

    • @martytruelove5026
      @martytruelove5026 4 года назад +8

      It's now people like you and myself that care about these poor souls and still want to see them get the Justice they rightfully deserve

    • @missnellaful
      @missnellaful 2 года назад +1

      Has anyone thought to question members of the corrupt CANADIAN music industry. They have their dirty fingers in everything!

  • @rubydawn1
    @rubydawn1 4 года назад +50

    What kind of people can be so cruel to a woman that was so kind to animals.Its heartbreaking to hear Dougie s nephew talk about him.

  • @NamooNara
    @NamooNara 4 года назад +120

    Have fun arresting these people when they are 100 years old, wow great job!

    • @camvin575
      @camvin575 4 года назад +5

      😂😂 I know yes haha.

    • @runarrikeborn7517
      @runarrikeborn7517 3 года назад +1

      Today, really, i said same words.
      A old pedo said, thank you people for letting me enjoy this, and i said yeah, great and he will die with his,....,....in his hand and you gave him life time to do so...super, really no super, no great job.

    • @elimlim2990
      @elimlim2990 3 года назад

      @@runarrikeborn7517 mm

    • @ssb4918
      @ssb4918 3 года назад

      👍👏

  • @jamesl9371
    @jamesl9371 4 года назад +50

    The system fails people. Housing for the poor should be like the health care system. Everyone should have a decent place to live. Especially the elderly

    • @nap3null
      @nap3null 2 года назад

      Gee, I certainly hope the Canadian health care system is aware of this problem.

  • @wjtwjt1889
    @wjtwjt1889 4 года назад +28

    This case bothers me big time ..Makes me very angry and turns my stomach

  • @claudiaelliott8767
    @claudiaelliott8767 4 года назад +18

    It’s unreal how so many criminals can be in one family. More common than we know.

    • @lorrainewadsworth9019
      @lorrainewadsworth9019 4 года назад +3

      Its a way of life for them., plus they are more likely to trust Family.

  • @susiemeszaros3615
    @susiemeszaros3615 3 года назад +15

    Heard the podcast about this, and the heartbreakingly beautiful poems by Joan Lawrence. What a terrible end for these fragile people. Hoping that justice is soon served on those cruel murderers.

  • @judithcampbell3354
    @judithcampbell3354 4 года назад +34

    I hope all those families will find justice! I believe every Laan member still alive should be thrown in jail for what they did. They are walking around with arrogance!
    Thank y’all for sharing this with me ❤️

  • @amyrobert
    @amyrobert 4 года назад +46

    Nice to know you can get away with murder in Ontario. SMH

    • @texasray5237
      @texasray5237 4 года назад +1

      Canada takes care of its friends.

    • @poisongas6033
      @poisongas6033 4 года назад

      I got away with murder there as well the police still use typewriters and hand finger print systems

    • @thecatatemyhomework
      @thecatatemyhomework 3 года назад +2

      And if you don't get away with murder, you get a light sentence.

    • @runarrikeborn7517
      @runarrikeborn7517 3 года назад

      @@thecatatemyhomework light sentence never strikes twice, hAHaaHAhAa

  • @BBAngel7kids
    @BBAngel7kids 4 года назад +36

    All I'm gonna say is "there will never be justice for those families". After all of these years and none of the Laan family have been charged for any of those crimes, it's insane and they still walk free to do what they want as if nothing happened. The detective on that case is waiting for that missing puzzle piece that will never be found and if or when he ever finds it, all of the Laan clan that stand accused will be dead by then. That's why I say "justice will never come to those families" and it's sad. Smh 🙍🏼💔

    • @hummingbird2254
      @hummingbird2254 4 года назад +4

      God has His own justice ! Wait til they have to stand before Him !

    • @martytruelove5026
      @martytruelove5026 3 года назад +2

      I hope they are Haunted by the victims,nightly.

  • @beverlyamarantes9775
    @beverlyamarantes9775 4 года назад +41

    Some people are being protected for some reason and something needs to be done , these families need justice now!

    • @DeeDeex007o
      @DeeDeex007o 10 месяцев назад

      Right! Smells like a corrupt legal system!

  • @christyd1144
    @christyd1144 4 года назад +77

    This story makes me feel ill from the pure evil! To think these people were forgotten and were targeted by this ruthless sick family

    • @alexiskiri9693
      @alexiskiri9693 4 года назад +4

      And they called themselves christian. They paraded it all over the internet. Then you wonder why people look at "christians" with suspicion. I had an older couple who were friends of mine who lost all their retirement money because they "invested" it with this great christian investment banker who stole it and left town.

    • @runarrikeborn7517
      @runarrikeborn7517 3 года назад

      @@alexiskiri9693 i deal justice enforcement on fraud on state retirement money landwide by social insurance company called themselves "officeproounces", nr is missing, get😉...not because of but...but old, injured, crippled, sick , helpless, but retirement money to steal!not in one robbery, in every counted up income and halfed at the beginning of retirement and the oldwr officers spend it simply on the young officers" "services"...

  • @ladylaois8184
    @ladylaois8184 4 года назад +19

    This is a seriously creepy story ! These poor vulnerable elderly people. This is totally heartbreaking. Someone needs to answer to these poor people disappearance

    • @Rose-qd2bl
      @Rose-qd2bl 3 года назад +1

      We could all be there one day.

  • @paghspost
    @paghspost 4 года назад +30

    “Before she was somebody-now she was just a catlady”
    WTF ???

    • @four2nothin
      @four2nothin 4 года назад +3

      It sounds harsh and may be, but I think she was just describing her state of mind

    • @plantifulvegan4198
      @plantifulvegan4198 4 года назад +5

      @Michele Johnson She wasn't just a cat lady, she was a human being that needed help, isn't it sad and heartbreaking.

    • @melissadesaire1989
      @melissadesaire1989 3 года назад

      I know right?!?? Wht the f***!??!!!!

    • @andykerr3803
      @andykerr3803 5 месяцев назад

      Yes, not the brightest people speaking. Clearly, it was her intelligence that made her a threat. And the VW van and shed...

  • @Brind-amour
    @Brind-amour 4 года назад +8

    Bob McKeown is one of the best journalists out there.
    Thank you Sir to you and your team.

  • @Supergirl-oo5lr
    @Supergirl-oo5lr 4 года назад +83

    So a lot of people knew the condition she was living in and no one did anything to help???

    • @scottcantdance804
      @scottcantdance804 4 года назад +13

      She wasn't willing to abandon her 30 cats and I doubt there were many people willing to take her in with 30 cats.
      It should be law that these places have random inspections to make sure buildings are safe and elderly dependents are receiving proper care. Maybe the law has changed in Canada by now?

    • @Maaarrina
      @Maaarrina 4 года назад +3

      ScottCantDance true but so sad.

    • @melissadesaire1989
      @melissadesaire1989 3 года назад

      Obviously not...so 😥

    • @zombiasnow15
      @zombiasnow15 3 года назад

      @@scottcantdance804 somehow I doubt that

    • @serenagrisdale6969
      @serenagrisdale6969 3 года назад

      I know crazyyyy!

  • @coopsevy5664
    @coopsevy5664 3 года назад +13

    Ok I tried not to cry but wow I broke down. This is so so sad. God rest her soul.

  • @guambyguambelle1864
    @guambyguambelle1864 4 года назад +44

    Is Canadian law different when it comes to proof? Forged checks seems at least something to charge them with...fraud? Just thinking of those missing elderly, who deserved a better ending to their life story.

    • @servantoftheonetruelivingGOD
      @servantoftheonetruelivingGOD 4 года назад +5

      Our police here are friggin brutal, they are a joke!!

    • @johnkristian
      @johnkristian 4 года назад +4

      They might sit on evidence that lacks just a missing piece to solve the whole case. Locking them up for fraud might spoil that chance somehow. We don't know what the recent evidence is

    • @thecatatemyhomework
      @thecatatemyhomework 3 года назад +1

      @Luna EB in this case it's not.

    • @lizh4933
      @lizh4933 3 года назад +3

      You can murder a child, stuff the body in a suitcase and dispose of it in a ditch. What sentence will you receive? Six year sentence. I kid you not.

    • @guambyguambelle1864
      @guambyguambelle1864 3 года назад +2

      @@lizh4933 ((Speechless))

  • @salinal2783
    @salinal2783 3 года назад +45

    I am just amazed that the investigator, who has actually been working on this case for literally a couple decades, had the audacity and nerve to come on this show. He sat there and smiled and then said it was just a matter of time before they arrest someone for the murders. WHAT??? It’s been decades and you’ve sat your butt on your thumb and just spun....🤷‍♀️ I was so embarrassed for him, since he obviously wasn’t for himself. Just such an awkward moment. No shame at all

    • @LovelyMetalAmanda
      @LovelyMetalAmanda Год назад +1

      Right? Then has the audacity to say he refuses to comment on specific things that pertain to the case. Instead of saying he doesn't know (because lets face it, he hasn't a clue) he just says he can't comment. Like okay

  • @colleenhanna5383
    @colleenhanna5383 2 года назад +1

    Omg I've followed this case for years ..thankyou for never giving up

  • @angeliquedelgado6098
    @angeliquedelgado6098 4 года назад +8

    If she were Joans friend then Joan wouldn't have been living like that. Because a friend isn't going to have allowed their friend to live in a shack or be homeless, that's not what a friend does.

    • @devilsadvocate8236
      @devilsadvocate8236 4 года назад

      Exactly what I was wondering. Also, the 91yr olds nephew. Literally, neither of these poor elderly people would have been victims if their friends and families stepped up and did the right thing!

  • @hiyapal7719
    @hiyapal7719 4 года назад +4

    If they were cashing the checks after the death of these people, then the government should make them pay that money back, and charge them for fraud and embezzlement.

  • @vlw4165
    @vlw4165 4 года назад +30

    No charges for fraud, at any rate, or elder abuse?

    • @thekatt...
      @thekatt... 4 года назад +1

      Victoria Clark anyone who owns a car scrap yard should be starting an elder care home, apparently it's all good.

  • @lesflynn4455
    @lesflynn4455 2 года назад +5

    This quote says it all.
    "These were 16 people who had no voice. Somebody needs to speak for them. They need closure. There has to be an answer. That's why it's important to keep digging. They were the weakest members of our society. Their ghosts need closure, so they don't walk at night thinking, what about me?"
    Incredibly well said sir.

  • @BLAZENYCBLACKOPS
    @BLAZENYCBLACKOPS 4 года назад +125

    So basically they got away with murder, WTF.

    • @GottaWannaDance
      @GottaWannaDance 4 года назад +5

      ... and the Laans aren't Mexican, Muslim, First Nations, or, basically, anyone of darker skin.
      I believe most of these abuses, by far, are committed by right wing whites. I'm just not seeing liberal, vegetarian yoga instructors commiting these crimes.

    • @mandywilson5431
      @mandywilson5431 4 года назад +2

      And fraud... 😠😠😠😠😠

    • @adjustablestress6653
      @adjustablestress6653 4 года назад +1

      Murder ×4

    • @kfo7413
      @kfo7413 3 года назад +1

      @@GottaWannaDance they prefer to act in mobs, large groups and numbers to cause plausible deniability. By your logic none are women regardless of anything

    • @mrsg9268
      @mrsg9268 3 года назад +7

      @@GottaWannaDance that's a disgusting comment. Get a grip.

  • @paulsaul2487
    @paulsaul2487 4 года назад +12

    You're doing a great job on this one Bob excellent!!!!!!!! There is also some brilliant photography being done here!!

  • @cfq.tufanuf7601
    @cfq.tufanuf7601 4 года назад +25

    Just a hunch, dig under the van, and the whole row a scrap cars......

  • @nemo9540
    @nemo9540 3 года назад +3

    11 elderly people living in one house sleeping on mattresses on the floor! Never before have I seen a video were I feel such a huge sense of anger. I used to be a care worker for the elder in the uk and even then the level of care was bare bones, sure the homes were clean and they were well fed and had reasonably nice rooms but we were not allowed to sit with the residents and talk with them or even start a game of bingo as we were cleaners and kitchen staff too. In one home I worked at I spent some of my wage on a bag full of small prizes and insisted on organising a bingo afternoon and the residents loved it so when I hear of abuse like what my grandad went through it fills me with immense fury because I know first hand just how vulnerable the elderly are.

  • @deedsmillar6056
    @deedsmillar6056 4 года назад +18

    Wow, it's amazing how cowardly every single one of those "friends" are, and how useless law enforcement was. Rename this documentary to "no useful information, and a complete system failure" or "pot belly serial killers with a limp"

  • @Peepandbridgette87
    @Peepandbridgette87 4 года назад +22

    What crappy police work.....

  • @sophiaantropova5874
    @sophiaantropova5874 4 года назад +24

    I am disgusted. Also, I want to know what happened to the cats

    • @lilacsnroses247
      @lilacsnroses247 4 года назад +13

      They found several of them burried near the shed. They had been shot. I think the uncle and brother killed the cats after they killed her. Why keep them around once she was dead? Poor old girl, poor kitties. How are these murderers not in prison?

    • @sophiaantropova5874
      @sophiaantropova5874 4 года назад +9

      @Sara Allison you're a disappointment for cats. On a serious note though - all life is precious, regardless of species. But you clearly have no idea about this. So how about you keep your opinion to yourself?

    • @sophiaantropova5874
      @sophiaantropova5874 4 года назад

      @Sara Allison but I don't, darling

    • @Mumbo_Jumbo_Kiwi.1
      @Mumbo_Jumbo_Kiwi.1 3 года назад +5

      The cat lady really bothers me most. May she find justice & rest in peace.

    • @corneliawissing7950
      @corneliawissing7950 3 года назад

      I seem to remember, long ago, reading that they were all found shot to death.

  • @vapete1237
    @vapete1237 3 года назад +4

    Utterly Despicable .. This investigation needs to continue until justice is reached and the missing individuals are found and given a dignified deserved burial .. The Laan family need to be held accountable and served with the most severe punishments.

  • @cleopatrav111
    @cleopatrav111 4 года назад +32

    Vety very sad... Didn't they have goverment inspectors checking these homes? I hope they get fried 😡🤬😡

    • @sharon8121
      @sharon8121 4 года назад +2

      Government agencies are underfunded and don't want problems

  • @samsmith89smith97
    @samsmith89smith97 4 года назад +83

    Police should be embarrassed, this is unacceptable and not good enough. Shame on you.

    • @dominic2014
      @dominic2014 4 года назад +13

      Bringing sufficient evidence to the trial is imperative in avoiding the suspects walking away free after a jury can't convict due to poor evidence. The police are probably embarassed. We should be hoping someone comes forward with damning evidence, not shaming hard-working detectives.

    • @samsmith89smith97
      @samsmith89smith97 4 года назад +25

      @@dominic2014 20 year on!!! Seriously?... Hard working?? You make me laugh, if I performed in my job like this I would be fired, but here's where my tax money goes... Unacceptable

    • @rayndawg7181
      @rayndawg7181 4 года назад +8

      Some people here watch and or read far too much crime fiction. There they always get their man.

    • @dianelalonde544
      @dianelalonde544 4 года назад +7

      Do you really believe that they are ashamed? They're not. They've had 20 yrs to throw someone else under the bus.

    • @chrissmith.6241
      @chrissmith.6241 4 года назад +8

      And you state this without the knowledge and understanding of what the have or have not done. It must be nice to be psychic .

  • @FIONA21ful
    @FIONA21ful 4 года назад +6

    "All it takes for evil to thrive is for good people to do nothing ", this case is a terrible example of the proof of this old saying.

  • @NicoleMacintyre52
    @NicoleMacintyre52 4 года назад +21

    Yes please don’t give up !! 🙏

    • @kodiakwoodworks9359
      @kodiakwoodworks9359 4 года назад +2

      Nicole Macintyre. I hope they never give up looking. If it were me or my loved ones I would certainly hope someone would keep looking until they uncovered the truth. This is very sad, especially for their families. Everyone needs closure, it's needed for the grieving process.

    • @NicoleMacintyre52
      @NicoleMacintyre52 4 года назад +2

      Kodiak WoodWorks
      Il agree this is very sad 😞

  • @jomoland
    @jomoland 4 года назад +42

    Love fifth estate! I hope there’s new information on this case. Fingers crossed!🤞🏽

    • @janeporter818
      @janeporter818 4 года назад +4

      Same

    • @nomdeplume2213
      @nomdeplume2213 4 года назад +12

      Yep, i got a feeling if Fifth hadnt pushed and kept looking into this police would have never done anything. So sad because if theyd been rich elders that were missing this would have been solved decades ago.... so fcking sad.

    • @Osckarre
      @Osckarre 4 года назад +3

      A lot of dumb people want the CBC shut down. I think they do a valuable service for Canadians and are worth every penny.

  • @daisymay4087
    @daisymay4087 4 года назад +13

    I have zero faith in or respect for the OPP or my local police force.Arrogant, entitled, and useless to the average citizens, in general. But indeed all are overpaid.

  • @HectorRodriguez-qr4dm
    @HectorRodriguez-qr4dm 4 года назад +34

    It seems this evil family is getting away with murder and the police is doing nothing

  • @mathewhex7045
    @mathewhex7045 4 года назад +57

    "Muskoka mystery..." lol no mystery here I think

  • @calumb7000
    @calumb7000 4 года назад +37

    the incompetence from the OPP is astonishing. this should of been solved years ago, its obvious what happened from watching a short documentary ffs.

    • @sharon8121
      @sharon8121 4 года назад

      They have more than enough evidence! What is stopping them.

  • @servantoftheonetruelivingGOD
    @servantoftheonetruelivingGOD 4 года назад +21

    No one in Muskoka knew or helped these old people!!???? SICKening for a small community

    • @lilacsnroses247
      @lilacsnroses247 4 года назад +4

      They intentionally took in people with no family and friends. They intended to abuse and rob them right from the start. How they werent jailed for these crimes, even if they couldnt prove murder, i do not understand.

    • @georgeelmerdenbrough6906
      @georgeelmerdenbrough6906 4 года назад

      @@lilacsnroses247 Canada sucks at protecting their people .

    • @sandyc6569
      @sandyc6569 4 года назад

      @@georgeelmerdenbrough6906 I guess so!

  • @barbmcbride2653
    @barbmcbride2653 4 года назад +4

    Sad story. On a brighter note, “the fifth estate” rocks! ❤️

  • @danielholtzapple7124
    @danielholtzapple7124 2 года назад +4

    You don't just reach out to suspects of murder. You subpoena thier asses for questioning and as soon as your given the warrant.

  • @sbenton62
    @sbenton62 4 года назад +1

    Glad to see you are not letting this case die. Good work and thank you.

  • @markstedman8186
    @markstedman8186 4 года назад +3

    That slap headed cop really pissing me off

  • @scottvanschelven3607
    @scottvanschelven3607 4 года назад +4

    After watching a couple of these shows, the OPP have to be the absolute worst group of police and detectives in history of law enforcement. Just ludicrous how incompetent they seem to be.

  • @Atite_Lometen
    @Atite_Lometen 4 года назад +8

    sure it was 20 years ago but it was a time where they had good resources and technology to let this go cold like this.

  • @thorgrootsweetrabbit2244
    @thorgrootsweetrabbit2244 4 года назад +25

    I read about this case, that whole family was nefarious, creepy bunch.

  • @wekapeka3493
    @wekapeka3493 4 года назад +28

    If some real police had investigated charges would have been laid years ago.

    • @Osckarre
      @Osckarre 4 года назад +4

      Erin Burke a female officer did a pretty extensive investigation but I think they scoffed at her because she was a woman and now they're in damage control.

  • @ericar16
    @ericar16 4 года назад +4

    what missing piece do you need......I watched this 45 minute video and know whos to blame, why are they still free.....WTF

  • @BLAZENYCBLACKOPS
    @BLAZENYCBLACKOPS 4 года назад +10

    What a screwed up family.

  • @epizzle9232
    @epizzle9232 3 года назад +3

    They need to stop wasting time! Charge them with fraud, neglect, forgery, theft, and murder!! Anyone on a jury can tell exactly what happened here! There’s no way that they would get off!

    • @epizzle9232
      @epizzle9232 3 года назад +1

      By the time it goes to court, they’ll all be dead! This is ridiculous!

  • @jahempress26
    @jahempress26 4 года назад +30

    She’s actually behaving just as most people who say they are Christians have behaved before and now 🤷🏿‍♂️
    It’s so funny they find so many people to talk about the cat lady now but no one stepped up to help her all of them knew she was living like this and no one did anything now the cameras are there and she has so many friends right

    • @janemiettinen5176
      @janemiettinen5176 4 года назад +3

      NANA JAHNIQUEJESSIE - Joan refused to leave her cats. People tried to help, but she didnt take it, because it meant parting with her beloved kitties. Ive seen another shows about this case, and the store teller-lady (in the peach shirt) really was her friend, maybe the only one she had. You cant help people if they dont think they need it.

  • @jaredblanke2168
    @jaredblanke2168 3 года назад +3

    Keep your family close, even when they’re old. Especially the elders. Shipping them off to be cared for by others is a crime in itself.

  • @benarmstrong1975
    @benarmstrong1975 Год назад

    Thank you the Fifth Estate for being one of the best and helping peoples

  • @rjcs2000
    @rjcs2000 4 года назад +3

    Deplorable conditions for the residents who had no one looking out for them. Welfare checks never preformed I guess. The family that stole all that money still running loose is a concern. The old man Mr Lann looked too old to suffer any real punishment as prison will treat him well. Five Star treatment compaired to the care they gave paying customers. Justice not served.

  • @lenafranklin7262
    @lenafranklin7262 2 года назад +5

    Of course there was something to be done! Riddiculous. They were allowed to run a business that took advantage of the elderly. Police knew about it.

  • @acostin4004
    @acostin4004 2 года назад +3

    Its so obvious that foul play was involved yet nothing is being done there's enough circumstantial evidence for an arrest people don't just go missing on their own especially from a retirement home. how much more obvious do you need to be without outright confessing.

  • @lizleveillee3425
    @lizleveillee3425 4 года назад +4

    THIS IS A REAL PERSON - JUSTICE NEEDS TO BE SERVED

  • @smurfylee
    @smurfylee 2 года назад +2

    I'm glad I have my mother living with me..

  • @catherinehpn3613
    @catherinehpn3613 Год назад +3

    A family of sociopaths, their disregard for humanity is only matched by their greed.

  • @deniser3670
    @deniser3670 4 года назад +10

    Hope they close the case😑

  • @kakoo75015
    @kakoo75015 4 года назад +2

    Let's watch it !! Thank you !

  • @sassyess696
    @sassyess696 2 года назад +2

    The biggest question I have is, why does it take over 20 years to investigate, probe or bring “justice” for what is believed to be four murders, brutality, theft and abuse of the elderly people in the care of these monsters?.When these folks are so old themselves that any punishment will be so late they are unlikely to see any consequences that amounts to true justice. As usual, the authorities have a lot to answer for.

  • @LordRustyMcAlpin
    @LordRustyMcAlpin 3 года назад +3

    Ground penetrating radar needs to be used on the laan property.

  • @michaelduggan1890
    @michaelduggan1890 4 года назад +6

    This cop is so smug . He will always have a job as long as he is not good at solving cases . He will always have something to do.
    How can he say , its just a matter of time ? Make some arrests man !!!

  • @r.r.6863
    @r.r.6863 6 месяцев назад +1

    That officer is very good at answering questions without actually answering the question.

  • @TheAprylDawnShow
    @TheAprylDawnShow 6 месяцев назад

    I LOVE THE FIFTH ESTATE!!!
    YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING 👏

  • @MsMonashee
    @MsMonashee 3 года назад +4

    Shocking that this still remains unsolved. Seems to be very little doubt. Can they not be prosecuted for fraud ?

  • @quirkyquips9915
    @quirkyquips9915 4 года назад +5

    Why was a 70+ woman moved into a dilapidated van with no running water, heat or toilet? I hope Canadians in that area are wise to them & never put their loved one in!

    • @quirkyquips9915
      @quirkyquips9915 4 года назад

      @Native Nfree Ah, luv, I hear you. Not all people are that way. I don't speak to people for days, not another person to see one to two months in a row. Circumstances and facts.

    • @mirmirbaxter8474
      @mirmirbaxter8474 4 года назад +1

      @Native Nfree that's not true. There's many of people who love working with oldies...the wrong family got their hands on these people. And if no one cared no one would follow this case...

  • @LisaNH934
    @LisaNH934 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for your investigative journalism ! Jan 2021

  • @hentailvr94
    @hentailvr94 4 года назад +3

    All these "I can't comment on that" "I can't go into much detail" urks me!!!!

  • @missionron
    @missionron 4 года назад +9

    Why hadnt the very concerned son ever visit his father and the care homes they were in? Maybe be he had..idk..

    • @cleopatrav111
      @cleopatrav111 4 года назад +6

      Swedish Holmberg I wondered that also. Couldn't of been very close to him. I see that a lot though being a nurse in geriatrics. Put them in there and kinda forget about them. Maybe a monthly phone call... Very very sad!

    • @majakolonja4266
      @majakolonja4266 3 года назад +1

      @@cleopatrav111 It's sad indeed, that parents dig their own graves as they raise kids.

    • @cleopatrav111
      @cleopatrav111 3 года назад

      @@majakolonja4266 😞🥲😞

    • @cleopatrav111
      @cleopatrav111 3 года назад

      @@majakolonja4266 yes it is very sad. I know I shouldn’t be talking about patients, however I’m not mentioning any names. One lady who was passing.. I whispered in her ear to hold on as her son was coming. I had phoned him & informed him of her rapidly deteriorating condition. I assumed he was coming as lived in same city. Well she held on for 2 days. Mumbling when her son was coming. So I phoned him & asked him when he was coming. He said he wasen’t. & told me the funeral home he wanted to pick up her body. Of course I didn’t tell her he wasen’t coming. So every free moment I had on my shift I would sit with her and held her hand. It was tear jerker. No one came to see her off. 💔my heart 🥲

  • @unapologeticallyme8513
    @unapologeticallyme8513 4 года назад +19

    It's crazy how many people have gone missing in and around muskoka the bush and the bay leave lots of room to hide bodies unfortunately ontario isnt as safe as people think lol

    • @davguy2446
      @davguy2446 4 года назад

      Aliens?

    • @inmydarkesthour2278
      @inmydarkesthour2278 4 года назад

      I as a kid went on vacation on the lake and I remember me and my sister getting comfortable on a pull out bed in a hotel and I felt a cold bony hand reach up between the two mattresses and grab my wrist!! This comment confirms that it was a paranormal experience no doubt...

    • @johnnydtractive
      @johnnydtractive 4 года назад +6

      @@ShatteredCiv It's not nature that's scary, it's other human beings that are the threat.

    • @synapsesuicide4372
      @synapsesuicide4372 4 года назад +3

      @@johnnydtractive Speak for yourself. Being stalked by a bobcat-mountain lion in the woods or bears or a couple of coyotes and you have no gun, no-one can hear you scream or Even know you are there and it's getting dark. What do you do?
      Nature is as beautiful as it is dangerous, stay alert and carry a weapon

    • @johnnydtractive
      @johnnydtractive 4 года назад +5

      @@synapsesuicide4372 I grew up in the country, surrounded by hundreds of acres of deep Ontario forest & fields. I spent most of my time alone in the woods, even as a young teenager. Never once a threat from wildlife--the chances of being "stalked" by a "bobcat-mountain lion" (?) or bears or coyotes is slim to none.
      In all of North America, approx 3 people are killed every year by bears. FIFTY people are killed each year by dogs. And TENS OF THOUSANDS (40,000+)of people are killed each year by human beings. So yeah, my statement is correct: human beings, not wild animals, are the threat.

  • @pamooconnor8154
    @pamooconnor8154 2 года назад +2

    Even before the first person went missing, they prepared to do away with them, and just never report them missing. They also didn’t stop the checks or forward the checks to their new place of residence or vacation location. This was a plan from the beginning, I would call it premeditated. That’s the first charge even though they couldn’t find the person missing.

  • @rubydawn1
    @rubydawn1 4 года назад +2

    I would not mess with The Fifth Estate.

  • @Destinyvifam
    @Destinyvifam 4 года назад +3

    They should of been in jail for cashing illegal cheque? Like wtf and why didn't the cops do anything about the fact that they are not registered to run a home for elderly people cuz if they were registered to run a home how was that right for the cops to even allow elderly people to live in that ??

    • @LOTUSELISE340R
      @LOTUSELISE340R 4 года назад

      Cashing illegal cheques does not carry the same sentence as quadruple murder. They want to get them on that, not a lesser crime. Ontario introduced the Long-Term Care Homes act in 2007, which set out a standard of care for long-term homes. Prior to that, there was little regulation for how they could be run or what even qualified as proper treatment. They did not have to be registered. While many surely provided proper care, it left the elderly vulnerable to predatory criminals like the Laans.

  • @britneysbritannia4790
    @britneysbritannia4790 4 года назад +22

    Seems like they have it all figured out. I would question the land lord 4 missing elders one family. Pretty much solved huh?

    • @skaarup33
      @skaarup33 4 года назад +1

      But there's a silly little thing called proof. The cops won't do anything without proof. 😒

  • @renee6019
    @renee6019 3 года назад +2

    I don't understand why they haven't EVEN been charged with fraud, the case seems to be OBVIOUS!! This case is a real embarrassment to our police force.

    • @myswanktrendz
      @myswanktrendz 3 года назад

      Maybe that's why police don't mind the information being available as they recognize the public can unearth criminals far quicker than police ever could. The police may secretly prefer street justice being dealt to criminals.

  • @auroramariealmeara8622
    @auroramariealmeara8622 2 года назад +1

    Great video thank you.

  • @markstedman8186
    @markstedman8186 4 года назад +5

    In situations like this I think it's time to go D.I.Y the cops and justice system have had their go

  • @TheMisanthrope.
    @TheMisanthrope. 4 года назад +25

    Run you rats! Can't wait for the Fifth Estate episode covering their trials.

    • @williamm1981
      @williamm1981 4 года назад

      When the Laan's are in their 90's?

    • @TheMisanthrope.
      @TheMisanthrope. 4 года назад +1

      @@williamm1981 Far as I know there's no statute of limitations on murder in Canada. And seeing how there's no death penalty life WILL mean LIFE. Perfect...

  • @moniquesmith3299
    @moniquesmith3299 2 года назад +2

    I am so sick of elderly people being treated so poorly. All these people talking for them now that they're dead, where were they when they were alive?

  • @TheLadybughug
    @TheLadybughug 2 года назад +1

    The fact that that one brother who'd been convicting of breaking in elderly homes, now he's a contractor with an ad that fishes directly for elders. 😡 Makes me shiver and creeps me out.