Hey everyone, hope you enjoyed our little Grim Donut tease here! Don't worry, the next episode is currently being filmed. We've had a few speed bumps (like a global pandemic) but we're stoked to create something that can live up to the hype of the first episode.
yes, thank you, no worries, we still love your content!, The grim donut thing was just so interesting that we couldn´t help but want it every day for months. stay safe:)
Mike, I understand why you don’t include stem lengths when talking about reach but it should be mentioned when comparing “new” and “old” geometry often the older bikes had significantly longer stems. To maintain same position on a newer bike that has an ~20mm shorter stem you will need a frame that’s 20mm longer in reach. This could confuse a lot of buyers who want their position on the bike to be the same or slightly more aggressive than their previous bike and are solely basing sizing on the published reach measurements.
The MTB world is an amazing place today. There are options for all types of riders. The only hangup is trying to understand what geometry fits your riding style and terrain and not just getting hung up on the newest catch words.
Modern day trail bikes are starting to migrate toward the 64-65 degree range, so, Yes, the 67 is relatively steep but nothing compared to 70+ degree angles some cross country bikes used just a few years ago.
I kinda find it funny that some trail bikes are starting to resemble enduro bikes in being long and slack. I demoed two bikes this last week, a Specialized Enduro and a Stumpy 29er. The Enduro climbed great, was very comfortable in terms of riding position, and so stable and capable on the descent that few people could ever find its limits. However, I took the Enduro on the worst possible trail for it, a tight, technical, rock garden, the length of the Enduro actually made riding that rock garden miserable, the bike is so long your back tire catches stuff you steer around, and it only climbs great ... if the climb is straight, it is not nimble at all. The Enduro makes a terrible trail bike unless your trails are PNW double blacks that are nearly vertical. By comparison the Stumpy 29 was an absolute joy to ride, incredibly nimble, so nimble it almost felt like a 27.5, but was also incredibly confident hitting the rough stuff due to the 29er wheels, and fast as hell. But the Stumpy made my hands hurt because of the short reach, I find the longer reach more comfortable, and even then it is a fine line, the Stumpy was 425 reach, my own Giant Trance is 435 reach and that is enough to get my hands in a more natural position on the descent.
I'm stuck in 2015 with a medium patrol mk1. Equivalent today is a small. great news for us shorties. We get the reach but smaller stack making the bike easier to move about.
Great review - I don't see the point in getting longer and slacker, because there are tradeoffs. I hope companies create a whole range of options, maybe even more flip chips to really dial in the perfect geo for your area. I see plenty of slacked out bikes struggle to get back up narrow, techy, switchbacks.
Appreciate this video. New to mountain biking (getting either a YT Capra or a Polygon N9 and would love to hear peoples input on which is better for a beginner) ...but I really do appreciate the info on geometry
I ride 2015 dh bike with 430mm reach. Im 197cm height and I love this geo and probably i will never change for bikes that long, only if i cant buy sth like my bike
stoked to see how this pans out over the next few years because i just got a 2020 norco sight c2 and i'm stoked on the slack hta and steep sta, but i wish the bb was higher and the rear centre was shorter/chainstays were shorter. i just switched from a 2012 large specialized enduro with a 170mm dropper that put my seat directly over the rear axle though, and this is an xl with a 200mm post so maybe i'll notice it once i'm more used to it
Great explanation. In reviews often short cuts are being used. Steep seat angle = good for climbing. But is steep seat angle is combine with short reach, it sucks. So all should be in proportion.
Thanks for the video! I think it's interesting people will refer to a bike as "slack", when there seems to be no relative measure of when a bike's head angle is considered slack. A few years ago a 68 degree head angle on a bike, that bike may have been considered "slack". Now that head angle is considered "steep". I wish there were some consistency in what geometry measure a bike is considered "slack" or not... Thanks again for the video!
Head angle is measured with no weight on the bike without the forks sagged, as soon as you sit on it the head angle steepens so I think we will see longer travel bikes with 60 degree head angles in the near future.
Hey Mike, or someone else, i have a question, i'm waiting on my Trance to arrive, should be here any day, I know its old geometry so i was hoping to change that, what i would like to know is what do you guys think of those Headset Bearing Kits to increase the Head tube Slack? I've been checking out a set, it's the Cane Creek Angleset, this particular set i'm eyeing increases the slack 2 degrees, I was thinking of having it installed and increase the Slack from 67 degrees to 65. What do you guys think?
need to do a video on how to position your body on these new bikes while riding. I am an old school rider and i just upgraded from a 2011 giant trance advance sl1 to a giant trance x, huge difference in feel. you cant ride these new bikes like you do a old school 26er...
A missed opportunity here to talk about seat tube angles, effective seat tube angles, seat tube offsets, effective top tube lengths, and how at this point STA is basically just a marketing number because there aren't any standards around how it's reported. Or maybe that's a big enough topic for its own video. As a side note, it's pretty entertaining to see just how big the difference between reported STA and actual STA is on a lot of bikes - 10 degrees isn't uncommon.
Liesss. There is such a thing as a magic bike or board. When you find it, you will notice it big time! I ride a gary fisher sugar race and man does this baby feel great riding.
A year later, a timely reminder that a Long, Low And Slack Mountain Bike is still no excuse for the ever increasing stupidly too long Reach measurements that Mondraker et al are pushing on the market. Too many people are riding way too large bikes for their height, even some of those with "ape-like" longish hands proportions. You can still enjoy the benefits of a Long, Low And Slack Mountain Bike while at the same time riding one that actually FITS you well. Just as most pros do (ie: riding sizes smaller than what their bike company sponsor suggests).
you could've explained stack ..it is getting more important since enduros are ridden on downhills more often and giving you a more comfortable position in steeps. Guess it is more important than just a long reach number alone.
Do you think that MBG has hit a plateau? It can't really get much better than it already is unless we just change.......geometry again. Things change overtime no telling if head angles don't go back to something around 61.
So for climbing a steep seat-tube angle is better than a slacker angle? And what angles are more important when I want a bike thats good for long rides or tours like Trans-Alp?
Something a lot more sensible. Once you get over 74 degrees, it's pretty much impossible to generate power on the flats, and very uncomfortable. Time trial bikes are only about 75 degrees.
I was at a bike shop the other day and they only had a bunch of mediums, larges, and extra larges of different brands. They looked absolutely massive compared to my 2007 26” hardtail. I’m only 5’7” and I tried to test a medium and the standover was crushing my jewels! I want to get a new full suspension with modern geometry but I can’t help but feel gatekept. Anyone else have a similar experience? Hopefully I can sit on a small once the bike shortage is over but it’s making me feel kinda hopeless. Any good brands for short riders?
SlyRy Santa Cruz! I’m 5’6” and can ride any small or medium chameleon. I have a 5010 in small and the medium is very rideable too. Top tube won’t crush the jewels!
It seems like everyone glosses over how stack height affects/effects (I’m not smart enough to know the difference) reach numbers. For example, a bike with a long reach/short stack in reality is a lot closer to a bike with a moderate reach/moderate stack by the time you add spacer under the stem to get your handlebars to the correct height. Assuming you don’t want a super low stack height.
I'm 5ft 8" tall, with average leg length and want to buy a mens mountain bike or hybrid bike, i've looked at adverts and their sizes are listed as 17", 18", 20", and 21", so which should I get?
you don't need enduro geometry for jump lines, in fact that probably would be worse, enduro bikes generally don't like leaving the ground. Enduro geometry is for super steep gnar, like you would see in an enduro race.
I think you guys could have done a better job of visually showing the different measurements. It was mostly fine, but the "Trail" - Measurement wasn't as clear as I've seen elsewhere. Other than that, good video :)
Effective seat angle, perfect way of frigging the geometry chart. About time there was a better way, call it seat angle offset. Horizontal distance from the centre of the bb to the centre of the seat rain at a standardised saddle height based on the size. Oh and bike companies, go and check the meaning of standardise, don't go making a mess!!
and published seat tube angle doesn't even factor in saddle position. Assume a shorter reach trail bike might have the saddle pushed back, and a lot of enduro bikes might run the saddle forward.
It's not the reach numbers getting longer that drive steeper seat tube angles. It's the other way around. If you don't want a lazyboy chair of a bike, you need a steep seat tube angle. With a steep seat tube angle, to get a decent effective top tube length and a properly fitting cockpit, you need a long reach. Because the seat is closer (horizontally) to the BB and you need to make up the distance in front of the BB. Which is the reach. Which is why reach is such a useless number when it comes to bike fit. It only gives you a useable number for ~5 % of your bike riding time. Unless you're a DH PRO/parkboy. But the 'one bike only' poll shows the vast majority of us actually pedal our bikes.
@@Liljoozy longer fork and and angle headset will slacken a bike. I know your comment was 9 months ago but worth an answer. 10mm travel is roughly 0.5*
Those super steep seat tubes to counteract the long reach are ridiculous. Moving the saddle position should only be relative to the bottom bracket if you don't want to mess up your knees. If you need less reach, don't move your saddle forward, shorten your stem!
Head tube angle depends on the suspension fork's and the front wheel's size. (that's why mullet bikes are a thing now) These are changeable thing.s Long story short: bigger head tube angle -> bigger chainstay length. Two examples: for 26 wheels the ideal suspension fork moves 10 cm, and the chainstay is ~40 cm long, for 27,5 wheels the suspension fork should move 12cm and the ideal chainstay length is ~42 cm. That way you can do the math.
No issues with assembly for me ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L but I could see where some might benefit from using an experienced bike assembler/mechanic. I'm an older rider starting back after a 10 year break. This bike exceeds my capabilities and has been easy to get comfortable riding. I'm mostly on easy trails with almost no street riding and have not been disappointed with the performance of the bike. My fitness level is far below what I previously rode with and because of that the mileage is going on the bike slowly. While I'm losing weight slowly, the bike seems to tolerate my 220 pounds just fine. The bike has been used by several family members ranging from 5'5" - 5'9".
Bike tech is changing at a dizzying pace. Although there have been some serious upgrades in recent decades, I suspect much of it is market driven. Once geometry maxes out in one direction, I wouldn't be surprised if it started trending back the way it came. Just sayin'...
Before I saw this comment I said pretty much the same thing. No company can just be stagnant. Tomorrow will be something new and better. But I agree. Geometry will start reversing to keep things interesting and NEW
i was getting ready to click dislike , just because i’m a cranky old man and i generally dislike everyone and everything BUT, after a few seconds of this guy talking it became obvious that i could learn something because he knows wtf he is talking about . Great video , thanks .
Love the bike design ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L and functionality. It is hard to align the front tired to center the disk brakes. The brake wheel touches the stationery side of the brake caliper and pad. I aired the tire up to 40 psi as the markings say 40-60psi. Left the house for a few hours and came back to an exploded innertube.All in all it seems to be a good bike. Have not ridden it yet though so that's the max of my knowledge. Update, put a new innertube made sure the tire was set properly and it did the same thing in under 20 minutes as second pic shows.
Frankly speaking bike industry and shows on youtube make you feel like you need a slack low enduro bike for everything, they shoot all these bikepark videos with endless descends and you think it is so fun to ride such bike. But in reality a lot of people live on plains where you might not need even an XC fully. I have tried an orbea rallon recently and it felt horrible on the flat terrain (not a surprise), it felt like riding a tank, so slow and that stable that it was not fun at all. Like you are in the middle of an endless climb or pedalling against the wind. Fork engages worse, it is less sensitive to small bumps. Long slack bikes are great for speed, competitions and records but not for fun
Hey everyone, hope you enjoyed our little Grim Donut tease here! Don't worry, the next episode is currently being filmed. We've had a few speed bumps (like a global pandemic) but we're stoked to create something that can live up to the hype of the first episode.
Don’t worry, I’m waiting
Lol I saw the grim boi at 1:03, everyone did
yes, thank you, no worries, we still love your content!, The grim donut thing was just so interesting that we couldn´t help but want it every day for months. stay safe:)
Cliche Eating in youtube vids is not the purpose of the grim donut - this is: www.pinkbike.com/news/behind-the-numbers-the-grim-donut.html
I would love a video explaining each of the rear suspension linkages/designs and their pros and cons
Well you tease us Pinkbike 1:03 (Grim donut)
wow, learned something new! 😁.. ah, the grim donut!..🤙
Oyy! IDOL! SOLID po ba?🤘🤘
Mike, I understand why you don’t include stem lengths when talking about reach but it should be mentioned when comparing “new” and “old” geometry often the older bikes had significantly longer stems. To maintain same position on a newer bike that has an ~20mm shorter stem you will need a frame that’s 20mm longer in reach. This could confuse a lot of buyers who want their position on the bike to be the same or slightly more aggressive than their previous bike and are solely basing sizing on the published reach measurements.
Shorter stem length is somewhat offset by the more common wider bars these days.
Somewhere in 2030...
87° seattube angle, 59° headtube angle, 514mm reach, 32" wheels, 1x22 drivetrain...
Reach is going to be at 550mm for XL bikes from nikolai already
reach is 500 for the size small on the grim donut
@@JohnnyWhoLoLsFirst 555 on xxl nicolai not xl
The MTB world is an amazing place today. There are options for all types of riders. The only hangup is trying to understand what geometry fits your riding style and terrain and not just getting hung up on the newest catch words.
I'm 54 and settled on a 74 degree STA and a 67 HTA. Ride semi-flat much of the time and that geo suits me.
>"Steep head angle..."
>Shows 66.8 degrees
i guess its steep for a mondraker
I thought the same thing and came down to comment! LOL!
66-67 is still quite normal for trail bikes. Yes I know the GG Trial Pistol has 64.5, but that is a trail bike that is as long as an enduro sled.
Exactly my thought when I saw it🤔
Modern day trail bikes are starting to migrate toward the 64-65 degree range, so, Yes, the 67 is relatively steep but nothing compared to 70+ degree angles some cross country bikes used just a few years ago.
I kinda find it funny that some trail bikes are starting to resemble enduro bikes in being long and slack. I demoed two bikes this last week, a Specialized Enduro and a Stumpy 29er. The Enduro climbed great, was very comfortable in terms of riding position, and so stable and capable on the descent that few people could ever find its limits. However, I took the Enduro on the worst possible trail for it, a tight, technical, rock garden, the length of the Enduro actually made riding that rock garden miserable, the bike is so long your back tire catches stuff you steer around, and it only climbs great ... if the climb is straight, it is not nimble at all. The Enduro makes a terrible trail bike unless your trails are PNW double blacks that are nearly vertical. By comparison the Stumpy 29 was an absolute joy to ride, incredibly nimble, so nimble it almost felt like a 27.5, but was also incredibly confident hitting the rough stuff due to the 29er wheels, and fast as hell. But the Stumpy made my hands hurt because of the short reach, I find the longer reach more comfortable, and even then it is a fine line, the Stumpy was 425 reach, my own Giant Trance is 435 reach and that is enough to get my hands in a more natural position on the descent.
I'm stuck in 2015 with a medium patrol mk1. Equivalent today is a small. great news for us shorties. We get the reach but smaller stack making the bike easier to move about.
1:03 was that the grim donut?
the reason he ate the donut in the intro is because grim donut is coming soon!!
@@olivert.7192 finally
Oliver T. Better bb
Grim donut at 6:24
@@olivert.7192 nay, grim donut broke in half as soon as they started the trail
Great review - I don't see the point in getting longer and slacker, because there are tradeoffs. I hope companies create a whole range of options, maybe even more flip chips to really dial in the perfect geo for your area. I see plenty of slacked out bikes struggle to get back up narrow, techy, switchbacks.
6:22 No, funnily enough we haven't... xD
GRIM DONUT 1:03
Appreciate this video. New to mountain biking (getting either a YT Capra or a Polygon N9 and would love to hear peoples input on which is better for a beginner) ...but I really do appreciate the info on geometry
I can't get enough of Mike's smug smile 😂
As geometry gets longer the wait for the Grim Donut review get longer too. We will probably get the review, when the geometry is state of the art
I ride 2015 dh bike with 430mm reach. Im 197cm height and I love this geo and probably i will never change for bikes that long, only if i cant buy sth like my bike
Well Explained Mike
it's coming
“Costco parking lot on Christmas Eve” nothing but trouble 😂. So true
nothing beats that 57 degree head angle
In b4 Pole makes a bike with a 55 degree head angle haha
What geometry should I look for if I have a bad back and can’t stay hunched over too much for very long?
Happy that you explained it!
stoked to see how this pans out over the next few years because i just got a 2020 norco sight c2 and i'm stoked on the slack hta and steep sta, but i wish the bb was higher and the rear centre was shorter/chainstays were shorter. i just switched from a 2012 large specialized enduro with a 170mm dropper that put my seat directly over the rear axle though, and this is an xl with a 200mm post so maybe i'll notice it once i'm more used to it
Love this. About to watch every one of these.
Glickenhaus SCG003 in the haus 👍
Nice explanatory video! Already knew most of it but cool video nonetheless 👌👍
For numbers that depend on travel, are they spec'd at the nominal sag point or full extension and is that standardized across the industry?
Great explanation. In reviews often short cuts are being used. Steep seat angle = good for climbing. But is steep seat angle is combine with short reach, it sucks. So all should be in proportion.
That donut!
Thanks for the video!
I think it's interesting people will refer to a bike as "slack", when there seems to be no relative measure of when a bike's head angle is considered slack. A few years ago a 68 degree head angle on a bike, that bike may have been considered "slack". Now that head angle is considered "steep". I wish there were some consistency in what geometry measure a bike is considered "slack" or not...
Thanks again for the video!
Head angle is measured with no weight on the bike without the forks sagged, as soon as you sit on it the head angle steepens so I think we will see longer travel bikes with 60 degree head angles in the near future.
That boink sound effect! Dammit Mike!
I had to remove my headphones I thought the sound was coming from somewhere in my apartment.
@@AlyNoyola lol
glad i stick with hard tails, pretty much has stayed the same for a lot longer.
Can we assume that the second video featuring the pinkbike bike will never be released?
my 2001 Rocky Mountain Blizzard has a 71* head angle and a 70* seat angle LOL
Hey Mike, or someone else, i have a question, i'm waiting on my Trance to arrive, should be here any day, I know its old geometry so i was hoping to change that, what i would like to know is what do you guys think of those Headset Bearing Kits to increase the Head tube Slack? I've been checking out a set, it's the Cane Creek Angleset, this particular set i'm eyeing increases the slack 2 degrees, I was thinking of having it installed and increase the Slack from 67 degrees to 65. What do you guys think?
Thank for this video but where is that video of that (chris donner) guy that are u talking about?
Mike, please give us the Grim Donut sequel!!!!!
need to do a video on how to position your body on these new bikes while riding. I am an old school rider and i just upgraded from a 2011 giant trance advance sl1 to a giant trance x, huge difference in feel. you cant ride these new bikes like you do a old school 26er...
A missed opportunity here to talk about seat tube angles, effective seat tube angles, seat tube offsets, effective top tube lengths, and how at this point STA is basically just a marketing number because there aren't any standards around how it's reported. Or maybe that's a big enough topic for its own video. As a side note, it's pretty entertaining to see just how big the difference between reported STA and actual STA is on a lot of bikes - 10 degrees isn't uncommon.
Liesss. There is such a thing as a magic bike or board. When you find it, you will notice it big time! I ride a gary fisher sugar race and man does this baby feel great riding.
A year later, a timely reminder that a Long, Low And Slack Mountain Bike is still no excuse for the ever increasing stupidly too long Reach measurements that Mondraker et al are pushing on the market. Too many people are riding way too large bikes for their height, even some of those with "ape-like" longish hands proportions.
You can still enjoy the benefits of a Long, Low And Slack Mountain Bike while at the same time riding one that actually FITS you well.
Just as most pros do (ie: riding sizes smaller than what their bike company sponsor suggests).
you could've explained stack ..it is getting more important since enduros are ridden on downhills more often and giving you a more comfortable position in steeps. Guess it is more important than just a long reach number alone.
please explain more about the grim donut geo!!
I love short bikes
Have you guys ever heard or tried Fezzari bikes?
Do you think that MBG has hit a plateau? It can't really get much better than it already is unless we just change.......geometry again. Things change overtime no telling if head angles don't go back to something around 61.
We want the grim donut.
So for climbing a steep seat-tube angle is better than a slacker angle? And what angles are more important when I want a bike thats good for long rides or tours like Trans-Alp?
Something a lot more sensible. Once you get over 74 degrees, it's pretty much impossible to generate power on the flats, and very uncomfortable. Time trial bikes are only about 75 degrees.
I was at a bike shop the other day and they only had a bunch of mediums, larges, and extra larges of different brands. They looked absolutely massive compared to my 2007 26” hardtail. I’m only 5’7” and I tried to test a medium and the standover was crushing my jewels!
I want to get a new full suspension with modern geometry but I can’t help but feel gatekept. Anyone else have a similar experience? Hopefully I can sit on a small once the bike shortage is over but it’s making me feel kinda hopeless.
Any good brands for short riders?
SlyRy Santa Cruz! I’m 5’6” and can ride any small or medium chameleon. I have a 5010 in small and the medium is very rideable too. Top tube won’t crush the jewels!
J. L. Thanks for the reply and awesome recommendation! The 5010 looks like it could be the one actually 🤙 Luckily another local shop carries them!
It seems like everyone glosses over how stack height affects/effects (I’m not smart enough to know the difference) reach numbers. For example, a bike with a long reach/short stack in reality is a lot closer to a bike with a moderate reach/moderate stack by the time you add spacer under the stem to get your handlebars to the correct height. Assuming you don’t want a super low stack height.
I work at a specialized and trek dealer, just wondering why y’all rarely review either one
Hi Mike. I see a dvo at the back. Any review on it?
I'm 5ft 8" tall, with average leg length and want to buy a mens mountain bike or hybrid bike, i've looked at adverts and their sizes are listed as 17", 18", 20", and 21", so which should I get?
Late reply but I'm 5'9 with a weird inseam id say go for 17-18
*Very good at least I like it*
Grim donut
You should get a head tube angle corresponding to the amount of times you've been to a bike park
you don't need enduro geometry for jump lines, in fact that probably would be worse, enduro bikes generally don't like leaving the ground. Enduro geometry is for super steep gnar, like you would see in an enduro race.
Are the given geo numbers measured at sag or at fully extended suspension?
I think you guys could have done a better job of visually showing the different measurements. It was mostly fine, but the "Trail" - Measurement wasn't as clear as I've seen elsewhere. Other than that, good video :)
2:30 hehe Tatra mountains :D
Effective seat angle, perfect way of frigging the geometry chart. About time there was a better way, call it seat angle offset. Horizontal distance from the centre of the bb to the centre of the seat rain at a standardised saddle height based on the size. Oh and bike companies, go and check the meaning of standardise, don't go making a mess!!
and published seat tube angle doesn't even factor in saddle position. Assume a shorter reach trail bike might have the saddle pushed back, and a lot of enduro bikes might run the saddle forward.
It's not the reach numbers getting longer that drive steeper seat tube angles. It's the other way around. If you don't want a lazyboy chair of a bike, you need a steep seat tube angle. With a steep seat tube angle, to get a decent effective top tube length and a properly fitting cockpit, you need a long reach. Because the seat is closer (horizontally) to the BB and you need to make up the distance in front of the BB. Which is the reach.
Which is why reach is such a useless number when it comes to bike fit. It only gives you a useable number for ~5 % of your bike riding time. Unless you're a DH PRO/parkboy. But the 'one bike only' poll shows the vast majority of us actually pedal our bikes.
When are we going to see the grim donut ????
The more research i do for my first mountain bike it seems the rabbit hole just keeps getting bigger and bigger lol
Any bike brand these days you can’t go wrong with really and you get what you pay for
Pick a bike for what you want to do with it and don't get drawn in way over budget - there's plenty of fun to be had on sub-£1000 bikes.
Giant anthem x1
My bike used to have a 68 degrees head tube angle, I made it to be 64,7, it just works great for downhill and enduro runs
how did you change it
@@Liljoozy longer fork and and angle headset will slacken a bike. I know your comment was 9 months ago but worth an answer. 10mm travel is roughly 0.5*
Winnebago at Costco during the pandemic you meant.
Is that Mike`s personal bike?
4:09 short is fine too, short is OK 疑车无据
Could we have a word about stack/reach ratio? And why it differs between different frame sizes? Doesn't make sense.
Those super steep seat tubes to counteract the long reach are ridiculous. Moving the saddle position should only be relative to the bottom bracket if you don't want to mess up your knees. If you need less reach, don't move your saddle forward, shorten your stem!
Yellow Glickenhaus 003
We want the Grim Donut! Give us the Grim Donut!
Hey can you explain more on steep vs slack head tube angle........noobs!
The geo can calm down there is only so much your bike can do so just get good at what you have already
Why no ett? I fell this is way more important than reach
Hmm... y'all dare talk about geometry without giving us an update on the grim donut...
Why was there a crack when he bit the donut at the beginning?
hey mike, can I have a doughnut 😋
your bike reach is getting longer
me: TRON BIKES... YESSSSSSSNOOOOOOOOOOOO00010110110101011001011!!!
Give us grim donut now
why does it say Reno sucks on the white board in the background? and also I'm from Reno so yeah
Head tube angle depends on the suspension fork's and the front wheel's size. (that's why mullet bikes are a thing now) These are changeable thing.s Long story short: bigger head tube angle -> bigger chainstay length. Two examples: for 26 wheels the ideal suspension fork moves 10 cm, and the chainstay is ~40 cm long, for 27,5 wheels the suspension fork should move 12cm and the ideal chainstay length is ~42 cm. That way you can do the math.
No issues with assembly for me ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L but I could see where some might benefit from using an experienced bike assembler/mechanic. I'm an older rider starting back after a 10 year break. This bike exceeds my capabilities and has been easy to get comfortable riding. I'm mostly on easy trails with almost no street riding and have not been disappointed with the performance of the bike. My fitness level is far below what I previously rode with and because of that the mileage is going on the bike slowly. While I'm losing weight slowly, the bike seems to tolerate my 220 pounds just fine. The bike has been used by several family members ranging from 5'5" - 5'9".
I want the Video to the grim donut
Bike tech is changing at a dizzying pace. Although there have been some serious upgrades in recent decades, I suspect much of it is market driven. Once geometry maxes out in one direction, I wouldn't be surprised if it started trending back the way it came. Just sayin'...
Before I saw this comment I said pretty much the same thing. No company can just be stagnant. Tomorrow will be something new and better. But I agree. Geometry will start reversing to keep things interesting and NEW
How to decipher modern geo...
Stoke=stoke= more stoke=double stoke = stoke × variable
Unless you have the wrong bike on the wrong trail. Enduro sleds don't like tight and technical, especially when you aren't carrying a lot of speed.
i was getting ready to click dislike , just because i’m a cranky old man and i generally dislike everyone and everything BUT, after a few seconds of this guy talking it became obvious that i could learn something because he knows wtf he is talking about .
Great video , thanks .
Yeti sb 150. I have a yeti sb 150. Did I mention I have a yeti sb150?
As most of Colorado would say "nobody cares that you ride a Yeti" haha.
Sorry, that donut had me distracted. Can you repeat all that in donut terms?
where Grim donut
Love the bike design ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L and functionality. It is hard to align the front tired to center the disk brakes. The brake wheel touches the stationery side of the brake caliper and pad. I aired the tire up to 40 psi as the markings say 40-60psi. Left the house for a few hours and came back to an exploded innertube.All in all it seems to be a good bike. Have not ridden it yet though so that's the max of my knowledge. Update, put a new innertube made sure the tire was set properly and it did the same thing in under 20 minutes as second pic shows.
Frankly speaking bike industry and shows on youtube make you feel like you need a slack low enduro bike for everything, they shoot all these bikepark videos with endless descends and you think it is so fun to ride such bike. But in reality a lot of people live on plains where you might not need even an XC fully. I have tried an orbea rallon recently and it felt horrible on the flat terrain (not a surprise), it felt like riding a tank, so slow and that stable that it was not fun at all. Like you are in the middle of an endless climb or pedalling against the wind. Fork engages worse, it is less sensitive to small bumps. Long slack bikes are great for speed, competitions and records but not for fun
Gary Fisher did the modern geometry first and called it genesis geometry.
Minion dhf in rear🤔
Im not even excited for the grim donut anymore. Haha kinda dragged it out too long.
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Fjgnxdugbjdiwrjdeiejdbwjf that intro TRiGErReD me!!!! WHERE IS THE GRIM DONUT?!!?!?????
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