Now I know why it felt like my Specialized was always trying to kill me on the descents back in the 90's. Suspension and Geometry evolution inspires confidence.
Great overview of frame geometry that a "normal" person can understand. Static sag info was eye opening and really appreciate that you provided how geometric angles impact performance.
Excellent Video! I feel like I understand this stuff, but this sequenced the explanation and the comparison in a way that made it super logical--tying the diff elements of geo together, which is most important bc these are designed as an "eco-system" not just say the slack HT...thx Drew
Always look forward to watching your videos! When are you going to review the new Heckler. Love to hear your long term review after figuring out the suspension-
Good video, except what is illustrated is not the reach measure, it’s closer to the effective top tube measure. So while reach on bikes has increased, the other various geometry changes, notably seat angle and BB location rotate us closer to the bars as well.
Thanks Matt, you are correct our editor probably could have made a better representation of reach, hopefully it won't throw off the overall message and point of the vid.
basically 'light, nimble, deer-in-the-woods' handling of the old high end 26" mtn hardtail bikes of the 90s are long gone. it required a lot of skill to ride those. the 'freeride/DH' influence has taken over the last 15+ yrs. new guys wanna go fast and that means a bike with suspension & geo which allows them to slam into or over everything and doing the jumps too. i ride a fully rigid 27.5+ bike and love it, but i like old school MTB single track riding. no jumps or rocky downhills for me.
I got a question, I never hear anybody talk about. On a lot of newer full suspension bikes not all but some, it appears that the cranks are placed back closer to the rear tire. Maybe it's an optical illusion, but looks like it would be tougher on the knees.
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Now I know why it felt like my Specialized was always trying to kill me on the descents back in the 90's. Suspension and Geometry evolution inspires confidence.
Good info, still keeping my 2012 stump jumper
Great overview of frame geometry that a "normal" person can understand. Static sag info was eye opening and really appreciate that you provided how geometric angles impact performance.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it.
Loam Wolf vid. I click, that simple.
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Good stuff. One of the better explanations of geo I have seen. I also think comparing to older bikes was genius. Thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you.
OMG I learned so much! Thank you 😁 Your explanations were great!
You guys just keep delivering fantastic content. One of my go to channels!! Keep up the great work. 🤪
Thank you!
Great explanation of geometry. Thanks Drew.
Very welcome. Glad it was helpful.
Excellent Video! I feel like I understand this stuff, but this sequenced the explanation and the comparison in a way that made it super logical--tying the diff elements of geo together, which is most important bc these are designed as an "eco-system" not just say the slack HT...thx Drew
Always look forward to watching your videos! When are you going to review the new Heckler. Love to hear your long term review after figuring out the suspension-
Don't have an exact date just yet, but we'll be dropping the episode in the next couple weeks as part of the 2022 eMTB shootout.
for a long time, MTB's wheelbase was based on Road bikes, took a while for it change, but the last few years have totally change the game..
Good video, except what is illustrated is not the reach measure, it’s closer to the effective top tube measure. So while reach on bikes has increased, the other various geometry changes, notably seat angle and BB location rotate us closer to the bars as well.
Thanks Matt, you are correct our editor probably could have made a better representation of reach, hopefully it won't throw off the overall message and point of the vid.
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
So my 2014 enduro is now and epic xc bike.
What is a mediocre geometry and a good geometry? steeper and slacker geometry respectively or what is this thing called mediocre and good?
basically 'light, nimble, deer-in-the-woods' handling of the old high end 26" mtn hardtail bikes of the 90s are long gone. it required a lot of skill to ride those. the 'freeride/DH' influence has taken over the last 15+ yrs. new guys wanna go fast and that means a bike with suspension & geo which allows them to slam into or over everything and doing the jumps too. i ride a fully rigid 27.5+ bike and love it, but i like old school MTB single track riding. no jumps or rocky downhills for me.
I got a question, I never hear anybody talk about. On a lot of newer full suspension bikes not all but some, it appears that the cranks are placed back closer to the rear tire. Maybe it's an optical illusion, but looks like it would be tougher on the knees.
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Lizard @ 3:43!
epic
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13:33 nothing worse than running over baby heads the size of rocks. Or is that… 🤔 hmm 🤷🏻♂️
I don't mean to embarrass you but you accidentally showed an orange motorbike at 1:40, instead of a mountain bike, which is what we're here for
How steep of a effective seat angle can we go? 79 seams good but I think it could go steeper? 81? Anyone feel free to answer
I feel like 81 might be too steep on flat pedaling. I’m on 77.5 right and feels great. I could def go a bit steeper.