I think on 5:53 it was the correct move, it was past the stopping point and on the tracks, it was already in the intersection so you should finish the turn if possible. The sign also saying don't stop on tracks. If you enter any intersection on a green light and it turns red, you should always finish the move asap
@@multicamzilla4669 That's true and the car maybe needs to get some kind of memory. Humans make a lot of mistakes as well if they drive for the first time in a new area. Would be amazing if FSD could learn and store some meta data about the own area. The average car / robotaxi will operate in the same region in 99.9%, like a taxi driver who will get better over time. Navigation data alone will never be good enough if the system is allowed to operate without geofence.... Technically if FSD would be geofenced and drive on premapped roads, it would already be a robotaxi today.
"I'm going to disengage to avoid the pothole" *runs over the pothole* I personally think that it will take a while for FSD to learn to avoid potholes. I didn't even see the pothole myself.
Good test 5:20 that is a very strange intersection that will lure you out for a turn but never stops opposing traffic so you can turn. And I'm not sure you were right to stop it from turning despite the red. Once into an intersection for turning left it's allowed to complete the turn even when red. The strangeness is that intersection design. It's a city design fail. 16:50 hehe human driver doing it wrong
@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy I wouldn't say it's your fault, the style of intersection sort of makes the rules for it undefined. I've never seen an intersection that traps you in a left turn by giving opposing traffic green light after yours turn red. I suppose it works because there is no leg on the right where traffic would run into you but it's still very unusual. The intent is probably that you just have to wait even if you are hanging in red. What locals might do is hang back at the line because the left is at an angle, that way the red doesn't feel so wrong. It's a valuable example because it is so unusual.
@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy I see there is actually a leg on the right, small division street which makes it even weirder. Defo try that intersection again, in maximum traffic, also from the little division street on the right.
I am a new Tesla owner in NJ. Been using FSD 12.5.1.3 for a week. In fact I was in the Newark/Harrison area just yesterday. FSD has come a long way but there are still many major gaps that I have discovered in less than a week and 300 miles of driving. 1. Blocks opposite left lane waiting for traffic to clear on opposite right lane on 50+ MPH road while taking u-turn from a cutout without lights. Traffic seen approaching on opposite left lane on collision course. Dangerous 2. Takes wrong route on highway fork at 65 MPH even though nav shows correct route. Happened to me twice. Reproducible by driving north on NJTP after exit 14 with route set toward GWB. FSD will stay left on fork toward LT 3. Started on a red light after waiting for a minute in no traffic condition. Dangerous 4. Went in circles when route was temporarily blocked by police. No feedback from FSD to nav. Easy to reproduce by putting cones to block a route where nav will recalculate to try again (alternate route expensive) 5. Does not slow down for toll booths 6. Does not speed up after toll booth if there was a speed limit sign on the booth 7. Does not know to pick EZ-Pass only toll booth if I have the transponder 8. Does not see my community exit and entrance gates 9. Stopped suddenly from 45 MPH on flashing yellow lights twice, with no cross traffic. Almost got rear ended both times. Dangerous. This is easily reproducible by driving East on the River Road just before Rutgers.
Great to see a test in hard core northeast conditions, vs, Whole Mars and the endless palm lined utopian boulevards of SoCal. Can you try the turnpike for us? Would be much appreciated,
Sure, any particular part of the turnpike? as of now, August 2024, the highway stack hasn’t been updated yet so it’s still using the older software. But either way once the updated highway software comes out, I’ll be sure to test more highways
Here’s how I saw the left on red: 1) It pulled forward into intersection believing it would make the light. 2) You said, paraphrased, “It drove past where it needs to be” which I agree it did. 3) Oncoming traffic cleared 4) It began to turn 5) we differ here, you saw it as left on red, which it was, technically, I saw it as clearing the intersection it had pulled into. I absolutely anticipated it was going to go, I certainly would have. I would have loved to have seen if and how it would “fix” the clear mistake of having driven too far forward, though.
Yup you’re right. That was my fault. It sat in the intersection for too long and I didn’t realize it was trying to leave it. I think it probably would oversteer to correct itself to make the left turn.
It tried to proceed through the red light because you were in the intersection. If you are in the intersection prior to the light turning red you have the right of way, in order to clear the intersection.
I really don't think it's a good idea to already start moving and but the blinker on when you are waiting your turn to leave a parking lot... it will worry other drivers...
I think FSD is still struggling to identify things like potholes and any uncommon curb curvature or any other small issues on the road that visualization is not able to readily recognize. Had an issue with this yesterday during an early morning drive when turning right but since a part of the sidewalk jutted out into the road, and didn’t take the appropriate response to shift a little bit to the left to avoid it. Thankfully it only grazed the side of the right tire. That’s why in this video it’s not seeing that pothole in 15:53 and the curb on your last video where it scratched your rim.
@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy tires are okay. Just a graze on the curb. I tested it again last Wednesday and she was still not trying to avoid the curb so I intervened. Glad your car is otherwise alright.
I'm trying to sell my hard ware 3 model YP but I still owe like 30k on it and it has 40k miles I bought during covid highs. Pissed because we are not getting anymore updates
Don’t sell, HW4 will not even be able to get it working flawlessly. The fleet right now is just being used to train the system. Like unpaid slaves. But it will never offer what the final goal is in all of this.
To be honest, the attention nagging is just as worse as the steering wheel nagging. If you’re someone who keeps moving your eyes and head to monitor blind spots, you’d get this attention nagging all the time and FSD gets temporarily disabled. Tesla just needs to take away any sort of nagging altogether.
About nag: just rest your hand on the bottom of the steering wheel with downward pressure until car is actually turning the wheel, then lift hand. I have found this will eliminate nag and the hands need to be somewhere anyway. FSD seems to need reassurance that it is taking the correct action. Having hands on the wheel provides this valuable feedback. Not too much to ask of the supervisor. My observation: Tesla is spending time in allowing drivers to remove their hands from the steering wheel rather than fixing the short comings in the actual FSD functions.
I am a new Tesla owner for 2 weeks. First day after upgrade to 12.5 I got two strikes exactly for the reason you have stated. However after another 500 miles on FSD I seem to have adapted to the monitoring. I am comfortably able to scan mirrors and look outside the windows. To me it seems like they aggressively monitor looking down; either toward their screen or your phone. BTW the monitoring is disabled when I wear sunglasses; it goes back to steering wheel nag. I do not need it but for many a way out may be to use the TSLx chip while wearing sunglasses.
I always watch your videos, and I like some of them, the traffic you bring FSD through is good data for Tesla's engineers, but I can tell you would be an annoying person in the real world, always love to complain and find excuse for your mistake...and always come to the wrong decision.
I think on 5:53 it was the correct move, it was past the stopping point and on the tracks, it was already in the intersection so you should finish the turn if possible. The sign also saying don't stop on tracks. If you enter any intersection on a green light and it turns red, you should always finish the move asap
I feel like a lot of this stuff is bad navigation data at this point. They really need to improve the nav and route planning, it's really weak.
@@multicamzilla4669 That's true and the car maybe needs to get some kind of memory. Humans make a lot of mistakes as well if they drive for the first time in a new area. Would be amazing if FSD could learn and store some meta data about the own area.
The average car / robotaxi will operate in the same region in 99.9%, like a taxi driver who will get better over time.
Navigation data alone will never be good enough if the system is allowed to operate without geofence....
Technically if FSD would be geofenced and drive on premapped roads, it would already be a robotaxi today.
It was absolutely the right move here. your analysis is spot on :)
@kenion2166 you're totally right on that! it was sitting there for too long and I didn't realize it was trying to leave the intersection
I love the subtle way you ask people to like the video
"That video is linked below the like button"
Thank you =), glad you like it.
"I'm going to disengage to avoid the pothole"
*runs over the pothole*
I personally think that it will take a while for FSD to learn to avoid potholes. I didn't even see the pothole myself.
Haha yeah too many cars on the left side and I was way too slow to fully avoid it.
it‘s really amazing to see it work on the new york ,and hoping more sophicicated stuation be showned in your viedio thanks a lot
Car probably thought that it was in the middle of intersection and had to finish left turn even after it turned red.
you're totally right on that! it was sitting there for too long and I didn't realize it was trying to leave the intersection
Honestly, even I would have been in trouble in that situation.
Good test 5:20 that is a very strange intersection that will lure you out for a turn but never stops opposing traffic so you can turn. And I'm not sure you were right to stop it from turning despite the red. Once into an intersection for turning left it's allowed to complete the turn even when red. The strangeness is that intersection design. It's a city design fail.
16:50 hehe human driver doing it wrong
Yup totally my bad there. It was sitting there for too long and I didn’t realize it was trying to leave the intersection
@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy I wouldn't say it's your fault, the style of intersection sort of makes the rules for it undefined. I've never seen an intersection that traps you in a left turn by giving opposing traffic green light after yours turn red. I suppose it works because there is no leg on the right where traffic would run into you but it's still very unusual. The intent is probably that you just have to wait even if you are hanging in red. What locals might do is hang back at the line because the left is at an angle, that way the red doesn't feel so wrong. It's a valuable example because it is so unusual.
@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy I see there is actually a leg on the right, small division street which makes it even weirder. Defo try that intersection again, in maximum traffic, also from the little division street on the right.
These drives are invaluable data. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed the video!
I am a new Tesla owner in NJ. Been using FSD 12.5.1.3 for a week. In fact I was in the Newark/Harrison area just yesterday. FSD has come a long way but there are still many major gaps that I have discovered in less than a week and 300 miles of driving.
1. Blocks opposite left lane waiting for traffic to clear on opposite right lane on 50+ MPH road while taking u-turn from a cutout without lights. Traffic seen approaching on opposite left lane on collision course. Dangerous
2. Takes wrong route on highway fork at 65 MPH even though nav shows correct route. Happened to me twice. Reproducible by driving north on NJTP after exit 14 with route set toward GWB. FSD will stay left on fork toward LT
3. Started on a red light after waiting for a minute in no traffic condition. Dangerous
4. Went in circles when route was temporarily blocked by police. No feedback from FSD to nav. Easy to reproduce by putting cones to block a route where nav will recalculate to try again (alternate route expensive)
5. Does not slow down for toll booths
6. Does not speed up after toll booth if there was a speed limit sign on the booth
7. Does not know to pick EZ-Pass only toll booth if I have the transponder
8. Does not see my community exit and entrance gates
9. Stopped suddenly from 45 MPH on flashing yellow lights twice, with no cross traffic. Almost got rear ended both times. Dangerous. This is easily reproducible by driving East on the River Road just before Rutgers.
congrats on your Tesla! which model did you get? Will have to check out river road and see how it performs.
Great to see a test in hard core northeast conditions, vs, Whole Mars and the endless palm lined utopian boulevards of SoCal. Can you try the turnpike for us? Would be much appreciated,
Sure, any particular part of the turnpike? as of now, August 2024, the highway stack hasn’t been updated yet so it’s still using the older software. But either way once the updated highway software comes out, I’ll be sure to test more highways
@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy Anywhere exit 13 north to the GWB, or GSP exit 145 south to 130 - thx, I'll be waiting!
Here’s how I saw the left on red:
1) It pulled forward into intersection believing it would make the light.
2) You said, paraphrased, “It drove past where it needs to be” which I agree it did.
3) Oncoming traffic cleared
4) It began to turn
5) we differ here, you saw it as left on red, which it was, technically, I saw it as clearing the intersection it had pulled into. I absolutely anticipated it was going to go, I certainly would have.
I would have loved to have seen if and how it would “fix” the clear mistake of having driven too far forward, though.
Yup you’re right. That was my fault. It sat in the intersection for too long and I didn’t realize it was trying to leave it.
I think it probably would oversteer to correct itself to make the left turn.
It tried to proceed through the red light because you were in the intersection. If you are in the intersection prior to the light turning red you have the right of way, in order to clear the intersection.
yup, you're totally right. that was my bad, the car was just sitting there for a bit and didn't realize it was in the intersection.
The car was correct to clear the intersection.
Yup you’re right. That’s was my bad. It was sitting in the intersection for too long and I didn’t realize.
Wat een troep 😂🎉
I hope you let the car fail and report. They need any less than optimal behaviours to be discovered
So we are the beta testers providing feedback for them. Got it.
@@mr.robot.5.9😂exactly what we’re doing lol
I really don't think it's a good idea to already start moving and but the blinker on when you are waiting your turn to leave a parking lot... it will worry other drivers...
6:15 did you note it?
I think FSD is still struggling to identify things like potholes and any uncommon curb curvature or any other small issues on the road that visualization is not able to readily recognize. Had an issue with this yesterday during an early morning drive when turning right but since a part of the sidewalk jutted out into the road, and didn’t take the appropriate response to shift a little bit to the left to avoid it. Thankfully it only grazed the side of the right tire. That’s why in this video it’s not seeing that pothole in 15:53 and the curb on your last video where it scratched your rim.
Is your tire okay? Mine is fine, just the rim was damaged.
@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy tires are okay. Just a graze on the curb. I tested it again last Wednesday and she was still not trying to avoid the curb so I intervened. Glad your car is otherwise alright.
Have you tried fsd in Queens/LI NY?
I want to test it but the traffic to there through Holland and Lincoln is unbearable lol. I’m sure soon, there will be videos on it.
@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy lol I hear you!
Smart Summoning Video please 🙏
No problem, but just need to wait for Tesla to actually release that software update. I don’t have smart summon or summon on my model 3
Newer updates are mostly for HW4 not 3. Your mileage may vary.
My model 3 has hardware 4
@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy A dud then.
13:40. Didn't report.
I'm trying to sell my hard ware 3 model YP but I still owe like 30k on it and it has 40k miles I bought during covid highs. Pissed because we are not getting anymore updates
The software is coming, it’s just delayed. But your car will get 12.5!
@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy when :(
Elon said it’s part of the 12.5.x update. Know his words probably mean nothing on timing lol but at least it’s being worked on!
Don’t sell, HW4 will not even be able to get it working flawlessly. The fleet right now is just being used to train the system. Like unpaid slaves. But it will never offer what the final goal is in all of this.
Push pedal then report
To be honest, the attention nagging is just as worse as the steering wheel nagging. If you’re someone who keeps moving your eyes and head to monitor blind spots, you’d get this attention nagging all the time and FSD gets temporarily disabled. Tesla just needs to take away any sort of nagging altogether.
About nag: just rest your hand on the bottom of the steering wheel with downward pressure until car is actually turning the wheel, then lift hand. I have found this will eliminate nag and the hands need to be somewhere anyway. FSD seems to need reassurance that it is taking the correct action. Having hands on the wheel provides this valuable feedback. Not too much to ask of the supervisor. My observation: Tesla is spending time in allowing drivers to remove their hands from the steering wheel rather than fixing the short comings in the actual FSD functions.
I am a new Tesla owner for 2 weeks. First day after upgrade to 12.5 I got two strikes exactly for the reason you have stated. However after another 500 miles on FSD I seem to have adapted to the monitoring. I am comfortably able to scan mirrors and look outside the windows. To me it seems like they aggressively monitor looking down; either toward their screen or your phone.
BTW the monitoring is disabled when I wear sunglasses; it goes back to steering wheel nag. I do not need it but for many a way out may be to use the TSLx chip while wearing sunglasses.
Other people saying it so good.. this guy is saying not good, im confused
I think it is all depending on the location of where people are testing FSD. Some places are great, some are not.
It was turning on red because you were in the middle of an intersection, id¡ot
You’re totally right. That’s my bad.
still trash
I just envy you can use FSD. FSD doesnt service our country....
I’m sure Tesla is working on it. You’ll get it soon!
sucks less.
1:18 ummm… no you cannot. It literally says no turn on red.
Where does it say that?
Yeah I don’t see a no turn on red sign, only the “no left turn” sign
I always watch your videos, and I like some of them, the traffic you bring FSD through is good data for Tesla's engineers, but I can tell you would be an annoying person in the real world, always love to complain and find excuse for your mistake...and always come to the wrong decision.
Thanks for your support and feedback, sorry I don’t live up to your expectations.
With you not being able to keep your opinion of this sort to yourself definitely makes you a wet turd for sure 😕
Just be your own driver so we don't have to watch these annoying videos
Lol there's a lot these videos on RUclips, definitely skip them so you don't have to watch it.
@@JustAnotherTeslaGuy I just can't help myself
More videos to come 😁
Don’t like this guy’s accent
Sorry.