Other thing i find weird is Saturn keeping his word. Which makes me think he is a literal demon. Demons usually make deals that heavily favor them, but they have to keep their part of the deal as well. Even after Kuma's death he can't directly order to kill them since Kuma has yet broke their contract.
I think it's just because they believe in making deals and holding their end of the bargain. Easier to be a good deal maker then a rampant backstabber.
I just had a thought... Keeping in mind your point, IF kuma's destination was egg head and he SEES bonney again. Wont that be breaking the deal? I just thought this would add even more tension to their already intense situation.
It could be just reputation. Meaning that if you're famous for "making deals" only to alter them when you want, no one is gonna make any type of deal with you ;)
He's keeping his word because he can't step lower than an insect that keeps its word. In the end, I believe his superiority complex will be his downfall 🫡
@@deaconstjohn4842 the problem is that most people in the word don't even know the gorosei existed, he isn't a famous dealmaker, he is just a devil that ended up making a deal no one knows about, unless stella just start screaming "THIS GUY BROKE A DEAL DON'T DEAL WITH THE DEVIL" no one there would know.
Fun fact: If you add those 5 Devil Fruit numbers from the 2 minute mark together you get 325, which can be read as san-ni-go in Japanese, or "Sunny Go".
I'd like to bring up the possibility that Bonnie popping the memory bubble returned those memories to Kuma. The timing of Kuma's rebellion is too perfect to ignore that imo.
no, that contradicts what we know about his bubbles. You're forgetting those memories are in bonnie now and kuma could just push them back out of her if he wanted.
Not three but eight people know that nothing happened. Brook and two of Lola's crew members witnessed nothing happening (Zoro, Brook, crewmember with funny hair, crewmember with funny mask, that's four). After the incident Sanji dragged both crewmembers to know what happened and while getting their testimonials, Robin used her devil fruit to create an ear and eavesdrop on it (adds Sanji and Robin, so that's six before Vegapunk and Bonney saw it making it eight).
@@santiagosenoran1217 Robin eavesdrops on Sanji interrogating the Lola Pirates' crewmembers about what happened. This is after Sanji woke up from being knocked out by Zoro right before "Nothing happened." But if I recall correctly it's before the post-arc party scene where Brook sings Bink's Sake.
I think he's talking about Kuma's memories as a whole. How it was edited made it seem like he was referring to only Zoro's 'nothing happened' moment, when he was using it as a transition into the wider topic
i may be wrong but i have an extremely disturbing thought that blackbeard might just be eating them all and hes not limited to 2 and just hasnt told anyone that yet, meaning his goal is actually to become functionally omnipotent by eating all of the devil fruit
Nahhh, he is getting them for his crew members. He needs to get all the powerfull ones for his crew so that they are on power with the best. It’s an easy way to get your under powered crew up to mark with the other emperors crews by simply having a ridiculous number of overpowered devil fruit user army. Just like Kaido wanted, but this time, real fruits. This explains why instead of going to get the ace’s devil fruit himself, he sent burguess to obtain and eat it.
The only reason I think that won’t happen is because it’s really hard to write. Hard to make Blackbeard use all the abilities in an interesting way, hard to make the back and forth of a fight interesting, and hard to write a way of losing where it is satisfying
@@sarthakpatange2630 but all of his crew members have their DFs already. (Doc Q Sickness, San Juan Enlargement, Shiryu Invisibility, Devon Shapeshifting, Vasco Alcohol, Pizarro Island, Burgess Buff, Van Augr Warp, Kuzan Ice, Lafitte Wings) So why would he want boas or laws DF aswell?
@@RizzlerJones Smileys devil fruit reincarnated into an apple in a basket and was buried under the snow. I assume he's referring to the popular theory that when Monet was killed by Zoro her Snow Logia (which I believe is a tangerine) reincarnated on Namis trees. Some one piece theories have gotten so much traction people will just state them as if they're canon.
Just another thought on Blackbeard. I think, while the Strawhats are fighting Saturn, Devon and Laffite will infultrate the island and capture York. We won't realize this until after the strawhats escape. It makes sense that the blackbeard pirates would be there for some purpose and wouldn't want to leave empty headed. Maybe after encounter the seraphim, Blackbeard wanted his own.
The Nikyu theory was brought up by Oda in an SBS. Edit: Bonney did not kill Kuma by touchong the bubble. Kuma still has his memories, it's only his will that was erased. If Vegapunk had put in the personality switch, Kuma could've retained his personality and memories.
I remember that certain SBS. I had the One Piece manga copy back then. A reader sent this theory to Oda and asked him about that. Oda "claimed" to be surprised by that and he didn't really answer whether Kuma will join or not in the end. Man, it's been more than a decade ago I read that SBS lol
@@DaityaGod he's not going to be fine as Saturn threatened Vegapunk telling him not to do that and that as a scientist he would know if Vegapunk tried to deceive him
@@JoshuaCrockford If Saturn was such a brilliant scientist, then Vegapunk wasn't really needed at all in the first place. He's just an old man acting tough behind the Transponder Snail and didn't even leave until Egghead Island arc.
Who said they reacted on Bonnie eating? We never shown they look on her and not on Kuma. Maybe all this time it's Kuma was the one who took everyone's attention
@Zagryzaec The old man with the old woman are both wearing the same hats and are in the same design within both Chapter 498 and Chapter 1102. In Chapter 498, at a Restaurant in Grove 24, we hear a "Munch Munch" and a "Chomp Chomp!!" while loud smashing sounds occur... The same old man appears in the restaurant with the same old woman across from him and says "What an Appetite!" A younger man to the left of him with a younger woman says "Where does it all go?" Adding to the emphasis of their questioning, we also see Gang Bege say "Vulgar Woman! She's Spoling my meal. Go shut her up!" If you want to look at both chapters again to not look like an idiot and delete that comment I'd recommend it.
I have a hard time believing Kuma's self-destruct feature is a big explosion considering the elders allowed him to be used as a slave by the Celestial Dragons.
Kuma leaving the Revolutionary HQ was actually a good thing. If his self-destruct mode was activated by someone, it could have killed or severly injured most of the army (since every commanders were present on the Island still) Unless Lindbergh managed to remove the self-destruct device after Vegapunk told them about it
Regarding who knows about that one time nothing happened, the Risky brothers from Lola's crew also saw it iirc, as well as Brook. Sanji and Robin also know about it second-hand
Well, Sanji isn't as second hand iirc he was only unconcious for Zoro actually taking the pain, but Sanji saw everything else, including Zoro's state right after, i dont think any other Straw Hat saw that mucj? could be wrong though
Small correction: if Vegapunk did the personality switch, Kuma wouldn’t be a blank slate. The bubble was a copy of his memories, he didn’t lose them by making it. So really what using a theoretical personality switch could do would be to make Kuma conscious or self aware just before the theoretical self destruct goes off… 😢
Vegapunk on putting a personality switch on Kuma: Wait, let me ask Saint Saturn first! 😱 Vegapunk on programming Kuma to protect the home of Joyboy: I'll do it mate! Saint Saturn will be okay with that! 😇😇
0:23 Since Vegapunk stated he had difficulty of replicating the Logias, he would have to give the Seraphim counterpart of Crocodile the artificial Venom-Venom Fruit from the Lineage Factor of Magellan. It's also a reference to Crocodile who had a poison within the tip of his golden hook against Luffy in Alabasta Saga.
Agreed. I had that theory myself for a while now. In terms of Vegapunk's accessibility to DF powers, Crocodile's use of poison in the past and sheer power the Venom Fruit would make the most sense. And it would be weird if S-Croc was the only Seraphim to not get a Paramecia but a Zoan fruit.
There is a possibility vivi can get paw paw fruit not sunny. ( since vivi is also considered a strawhat and also she was on her way to egghead island )
If the theories are true, and Nefertari D. Lili did use the Paw Paw fruti to spread the Poneglyhs across the world, then it would be very fitting for Vivi to inherit the fruit from Kuma.
Yeah I think Vivi is definitely the strongest candidate to be the next paw paw fruit user. I see her obtaining it in a hilarious way where Luffy accidentally fed it to her without realizing it’s a devil fruit
The Bartholomew Kuma's flashback arc is over and now we get back to the Egghead Island arc where Bonney is in danger by Saturn and Kuma better show up to deck the old fart in the schnoz.
I got a random theory, hopefully no one steals it, but I believe Blackbeard isn’t eating the other fruits, I think he’s putting them in his rings, like yk how u can feed inanimate objects devil fruits…idk I’m high asf but it makes sense
Another thing about Pudding: BB pirates having her is potentially _terrifying,_ because any of his crew having the ability to use Memo-Memo powers means they could rip the blueprints to Pluton from Franky's mind and learn how to build it.
I started reading the manga from the beginning recently, and I realized that the year that Luffy ate the Gum-Gum Fruit and first swore to become King of the Pirates is the same year that Bonney was born, ten years before the events on Sabaody. And then when reading 1102 I also noticed that Bonney's eye ring sort of like a smile, just like Luffy's scar. I have no idea what the hell Oda is trying to cook, but there are so many parallels between Luffy and Bonney that it simply can't be a coincidence.
@giwrgospetrou1159 What? I wasn't about the chapter numbers, I was talking about the character's ages. And it doesn't even need to have been planned out from the start, Oda has very clearly shown his capability to take info from old chapters and write new narratives and revelations around it.
Kuma's existence right now is both a driving force and shackles for Bonney. She will be freed only when he dies "completely". And I think that is where this story is headed.
I can see it now The headline “Death of an Elder Star, Vegapunk punk captured, Punk Records in flames. Straw Hat Luffy is the menace of the 4 emperors”
Kuma clearly stated in the chapter that the bubble was akin to a copy of his memories so regardless if that bubble his gone or not he’d still have his own memories lmfao
@@vaehbaaby6011 The amount zoro tanked would be different than what saturn would have to take on now. The fruit took the pain away from luffy and made zoro take all that pain on directly 1 to 1 and luffy's current fatigue would not be equal to that of what was on thriller bark.
@@ghudbob8613 could you give me a comparison on how strong it was back then and how strong it would be now ? I still think hd will tank it tbh. I think zoro rn will tank that pain again. So Saturn must be able too. Sorry my English isn't so good
@@TheWarmachine375 Pirate king is just a stepping stone for luffy to achieve his real dreams luffy real dream is not revealed yet but it's not to become pirate king he says that in recent ep " if i became pirates king maybe then it will possibly "
@@ashileshbhagat1276 Luffy's dream is probably holding a massive fun party for everyone in the world where they can eat, drink and be merry. It's a Luffy thing to do.
Also Sanji knows the nothing happened part. He saw it with his own eyes and heard the story of it later on. Also, Brook and those two companions of Lola.
The question is how strong is that "self destruct". Is it a little poof that only kills Kuma or is it more like a little nuke? When it is dangerous to others too, thats maybe the reason why Kuma did not grab Bonny and ran away. Out of fear the WG would kill them both.
Doesn't Robin know about "Nothing Happened" too? This might be an Anime only thing, but I remember she eavesdropping with her magical fruit powers, when those two guys told Sanji
My gut feeling is that Blackbeard is going to eventually be killed off at the end in the most humiliating, yet most fitting fashion; drowning at the bottom of the sea, unable to swim.
they said that the bubble was just a copy of kumas memories. so if vegapunk installed his switch, then he should be able to return to normal. the tragic thing might be, that he has always been concious and has witnessed what hes done, and only with the flipping of the switch, he is able to control his body again.
Another thing for those 2 years where Kuma defended the Sunny, there was a slew of Warlords that needed to be replaced. I doubt the World Government would have wanted to fill another slot.
If saint Saturn will end up dead, the world government or Morgan announcing his death would ruin my suspension of disbelief. In "reality" they would cover it
The memories of Kuma were just a copy. Vegapunk asks him about it in the last chapter. So if Vegapunk did secretly install the switch (which it seems like might be the case), then Kuma *does* still have his memories.
@@altoturtle695 it doesn’t matter. Kuma never lost his memories, it’s his mind that was erased (his personnality, will, pride, critical thinking, emotions)
6:09 brook, robin, and sanji know about “nothing happened” Obvi sanji showed up at ground zero for it, but robin had ears(?)(ik she used her fruit) and brook did too, because one of them told him not to say anything
I find the memory bubble very problematic, let's say kuma re-absorbs his memories would it be the same as resurrection or would it be a very convincing copy. The way Kuma explained that he copied his memories (not deleted) makes me thinking Kuma would be dead even if he retained his memories. The whole ordeal reminds me of Johnny silverhand and if his construct actually is Johnny or not.
Kuma still has his memories. It’s just that he lost his will and consciouness (his mind basically). Vegapunk said « Your death will hurt everyone that loved you » because he assimilates erasing his mind as killing him. Technically, Kuma is alive but his mind is dead. He’s a robot now
If anyone currently on the crew gets the paw paw fruit, I think it should be usopp. I think it would fit his story arc well, it gives him the opportunity to run away from anything, but kuma has shown how it can be used as the ultimate hero's fruit to save others.
Is it possible that mustering a force sufficent to subdue kuma at sabaody would have risked destroying the mangroves? We know those trees are very valuable and kizaru got chewed out for destroying just one of them so is it so far of a stretch to suggest that the island itself was restricting the WG's ability to fight kuma and capture the sunny?
I’ve always thought it would be amazing if the sunny itself actually got the paw paw fruit, the ship being able to literally take the crew wherever they want would be insanity
why did the marine did nothing about kuma guarding sunny? because they tought kuma was waiting for luffy to show up and aprehend him. remember, we as viewers have privileged information, but for any marine bystander, he made a trap to catch the guy who punched a celestial dragon.
Okay, hear me out... Ussop having paw paw fruit, "teleporting" around while shooting all damage he takes back onto the enemy. I mean, he usually takes inhumane amounts of beating.
Usopp paw pawing himself while Van Augur keeps warping would be pretty funny in the anime. Hey! Usopp might win by forcing Van to warp to what looks to him like an advantageous position, only to realize Usopp already paw pawed a giant 5ton hammer there 5 minutes ago, thus showing him that his fate was sealed before he even decided to move!
And if the Straw Hats end up fighting the Blackbeard Pirates, then the sniper batle between Ussop and Van Augur would be them constantly firing and teleporting 😂
@@justawanderingoldman7699 To be fair, with constant raise in power, that's not really as massive feat as it used to be then. Robin just got new form, and Nami still has Zeus, I believe. Long range ursus shock doesn't sound AS ridiculous as it would during Thriller Bark. Tho I feel like it would be nerfed somewhat, either due to Ussop not been a buckaneer, or being new user. Still, fun idea to explore
I really, *really* like the idea that Vivi ends up with the Paw Paw Fruit and finally joins the crew, especially with the theory that Nefeltari Lili was a previous user of the fruit and that's how she scattered the Poneglyphs.
Production. Luffy can at least get the Stella off Egghead, or protect him for long enough so Dragon shows up. The Stella then works with the Revolutionary Army, like he should have after the Ohara Incident.
I have a kind of ship of thesis theory that all of Kuma's part or at least personality is in s-bear just waiting for vega punk to hit the personality switch.
I think you're forgetting the part where Kuma said the bubble was just a copy of his memories. Pointing that out to say that he still has them yes yes.
I always wondered why the scans were out whilst the officials took so long during this season, thanks for the explanation. Also, don't Sanji and Robin know about Nothing Happened because those guys in Lola's crew told Sanji and Robin spied?
Random thought but I wonder if black beards devil fruit ability to negate devil fruits is the reason he can hold multiple fruits at one, essentially disabling one (or more) fruits so his body behaves like it only has one, will be interesting to see if he can use both abilities at the same time or if he has to pick which one is used at a time and keeps them on rotation of sorts
I vaguely remember a panel where he had the shadow ability in one hand and the quake in the other…been casually following for awhile now as I’ve gotten older so my memory may not be as great as some of you youngsters 😄
5:08 That's why she was crying in the last panel no? After she saw her father's memories, she also saw she essentially ended his only chance of coming back in her haste for answers. Can't imagine how much her heart sank
Sanji and robin also know about zoros “nothing happen” scene from sanji being told what happened after his knock out by zoro and robin used her power to eavesdrop on sanji being told about it
Small correction: There are more than 3 people who know about the "nothing happened" moment with Zoro. Bonney, Vegapunk, Zoro and Kuma obviously... but don't forget Sanji, Brook, Robin, and the two random guys on Thriller Bark that witnessed it and went on to explain it to Sanji. Robin can be seen eavesdropping on the conversation, and we see Brook's initial reaction to the event but he also mentions to Zoro while they're running from the Pacifista on Sabaody that he witnessed the whole thing with Zoro taking Luffy's place back on Thriller Bark.
I really like the idea of nami getting the paw paw fruit through her tangerines. She could still use a power up even with Zeus and the she has character parallels to Kuma with how she tried to protect her island from Arlong. I think it wluld be really thematically appropriate for her tangerines, which symbolise the sacrifices of both herself and Bellemere, to be the source of this power-up.
Brook also saw the entire “nothing happened” sequence unfold. As did two members of Lola’s crew. Sanji was knocked out before he could actually see what went down, but heard about it from Lola’s guys after waking up and Robin eavesdropped on that conversation. So there’s a good deal more people who know what Zoro went through than you’re giving credit for.
ive just caught up to the manga this year and i have to say hank you grandlinereview for all the emazing content ive been able to enjoy. easily my favorite one piece related channel and i always look forward to your videos. just like the anime and manga im honored to have you as part of my weekyl one piece rituals
I forgot bb pirates were in egghead. And robin, sanji and brook know of the nothing happened too. Robin and sanji got told what happened, brook saw it himself
A "leaker" did indeed say that franky would have the paw paw fruit and it would play a key role in some time ravel shenaniganry or sumn, i dont really remember that clearly. But they said blackbeard has three hearts which is why he can have 3 devil fruits
Ussop's slingshot should eat the paw-paw fruit. Imagine the reaction of Ussop seeing his opponents just disappear when a paw shot hits them or he could take his damage taken and fire it at someone else. It would come in handy when he goes up against Van Auger.
I forgot all about Black Beard being on his way to Egghead Island. 😂 Forget about Vivi getting the Paw Paw Fruit, Black Beard getting the fruit is the next best scenario.
I actually love the idea of the tangerine grove on the sunny becoming a new sort of Eve tree, but it is a little morbid for One Piece, considering people would have to DIE to make it happen. Idk, maybe there’s a loophole somewhere
The memory bubble was a copy. Kuma told Vegapunk as much. So the true memory may still exist somewhere within the original Kuma. Perhaps Vegapunk actually installed the system to revert Kuma back in secret
Which still would held the potential of Kuma joining the Strawhats, if he survives somehow. Would be great if you think about Jinbei. Former Warlord, helped the Strawhats out, joined years later. So Ruffy beat three Warlords (Croco-Mom, Moria and Doffy) und got joined by three Warlords (Yeah Boa did not join him in the crew, but essential would follow Luffy without asking) This alone leaves Mihawk. The odd number 7 is then taken out by Zorro. And since Mihawk counts as strong as a yonko, Zorro would gain the titel of second most strongest pirat on the planet, after his captain.
12:19 this is not a plothole at all, it makes a lot of sense to not break his contract with Saturn, I think its fair to say that Kuma never even had a single thought of breaking that contract. Thats just how honest and rightous Kuma is.
The thing with the number system is while it's a bit out there, someone asked Oda in an SBS. So if he didn't think of it himself the idea could've been implanted.
Galaxy brain theory: (shout out to 333vil) if 333vil is right and the paw paw fruit is a mythical zoan, it explains how i has a will of its own and is causing mindless kuma to head out? 🤔
VegaPunk created a system to be able to see them without touching so I’m sure all those memories are saved somewhere on his system. VP would never let information truly be completely destroyed. So if VegaPunk did put a failsafe on KumaBorg he would be able to get his memories
I think Vega Punk was supposed to keep Bonnie from touching the memory bubble because he was going to put those memories into the Kuma seraphim But now Kuma's memories live on inside his daughter and she will be the one to carry his will into the future just like in real life and like Dr Hiruluck said a man only dies when he is forgotten
It may not be a plot hole but a throwaway line would have helped. As it stands, Bonney has a 100mil+ bounty AND Akainu of all people was sent after her, for some reason after Kuma.exe was deleted. Whatever danger they may have faced was easily solved with a telepawrt. I’d say Kuma protecting the Sunny for 2 years while the government knew is actually a plot hole until addressed.
kuma’s “self destruct” was made by vegapunk. my theory is vegapunk went against Saturn from the beginning, and instead of a bomb he coded a personality shift back to his normal self. theory supported by his rampage towards bonnie. he died WAY back at the war of the best and may have recently returned for his daughter.
Having just completed a reread of the entire series right as the Kuma flash back started I can confidently say that this is my favorite flashback. Though I'm also biased having a son that's roughly Bonney's age, so everything involving their relationship just hit extra hard.
Any Devil Fruit: *exists*
Blackbeard: "It's a free real estate."
lmao
Other thing i find weird is Saturn keeping his word.
Which makes me think he is a literal demon. Demons usually make deals that heavily favor them, but they have to keep their part of the deal as well. Even after Kuma's death he can't directly order to kill them since Kuma has yet broke their contract.
I think it's just because they believe in making deals and holding their end of the bargain. Easier to be a good deal maker then a rampant backstabber.
I just had a thought... Keeping in mind your point, IF kuma's destination was egg head and he SEES bonney again. Wont that be breaking the deal? I just thought this would add even more tension to their already intense situation.
It could be just reputation. Meaning that if you're famous for "making deals" only to alter them when you want, no one is gonna make any type of deal with you ;)
He's keeping his word because he can't step lower than an insect that keeps its word. In the end, I believe his superiority complex will be his downfall 🫡
@@deaconstjohn4842 the problem is that most people in the word don't even know the gorosei existed, he isn't a famous dealmaker, he is just a devil that ended up making a deal no one knows about, unless stella just start screaming "THIS GUY BROKE A DEAL DON'T DEAL WITH THE DEVIL" no one there would know.
Fun fact: If you add those 5 Devil Fruit numbers from the 2 minute mark together you get 325, which can be read as san-ni-go in Japanese, or "Sunny Go".
Grand Fleet of Sunny GO .
“THE NUMBERS MASON!”
@@TricksterEra "WHAT DO THEY MEAN?!"
It would be INSANE, if Sunny ends up some how ending the fruit, and then they can basically just teleport anywhere.
So the ship is gonna eat kuma's devil fruit. Honestly, that would make a lot of sense and be perfectly inline with onepiece.
I'd like to bring up the possibility that Bonnie popping the memory bubble returned those memories to Kuma. The timing of Kuma's rebellion is too perfect to ignore that imo.
agreed,but that would put her and Kuma in COnstant danger unless they join the Revolutionaries
@@Johndoe-ri9inKuma would explode when he returned to base. Hence the "self-destruct"
he has a bomb in his chest, he is still gonna die at some point in this arc Issac Netero style
no, that contradicts what we know about his bubbles. You're forgetting those memories are in bonnie now and kuma could just push them back out of her if he wanted.
If Saturn dies by the bomb set on Kuma, it'll be ironic.
Not three but eight people know that nothing happened. Brook and two of Lola's crew members witnessed nothing happening (Zoro, Brook, crewmember with funny hair, crewmember with funny mask, that's four). After the incident Sanji dragged both crewmembers to know what happened and while getting their testimonials, Robin used her devil fruit to create an ear and eavesdrop on it (adds Sanji and Robin, so that's six before Vegapunk and Bonney saw it making it eight).
Wait when does robin do that I missed it
came to say this exactly
@@santiagosenoran1217 Robin eavesdrops on Sanji interrogating the Lola Pirates' crewmembers about what happened. This is after Sanji woke up from being knocked out by Zoro right before "Nothing happened." But if I recall correctly it's before the post-arc party scene where Brook sings Bink's Sake.
@@stark5270 merry christmas!
I just commented this only to scroll down and see your comment 🤣 I’m glad I’m not the only one who remembers.
6:05 Actually, no. Sanji, Robin, Brook and that two weirdly unnamed Lola's crewmembers know about the nothing happened.
Oh yeah,I forgot about Robin using her ears
Yeah but they dont necessarily know exactly what that nothing is that didn't happen.
@@Eranellthats brilliant
I think he's talking about Kuma's memories as a whole. How it was edited made it seem like he was referring to only Zoro's 'nothing happened' moment, when he was using it as a transition into the wider topic
OMG ! You're right! I too forgot about Lola Crewmember 1 and Lola Crewmember 2 but they came to my memory as soon as I read you
i may be wrong but i have an extremely disturbing thought that blackbeard might just be eating them all and hes not limited to 2 and just hasnt told anyone that yet, meaning his goal is actually to become functionally omnipotent by eating all of the devil fruit
You are wrong, don't worry
Gotta eat them all, DevilFruits!!!
Nahhh, he is getting them for his crew members. He needs to get all the powerfull ones for his crew so that they are on power with the best. It’s an easy way to get your under powered crew up to mark with the other emperors crews by simply having a ridiculous number of overpowered devil fruit user army. Just like Kaido wanted, but this time, real fruits.
This explains why instead of going to get the ace’s devil fruit himself, he sent burguess to obtain and eat it.
The only reason I think that won’t happen is because it’s really hard to write. Hard to make Blackbeard use all the abilities in an interesting way, hard to make the back and forth of a fight interesting, and hard to write a way of losing where it is satisfying
@@sarthakpatange2630 but all of his crew members have their DFs already. (Doc Q Sickness, San Juan Enlargement, Shiryu Invisibility, Devon Shapeshifting, Vasco Alcohol, Pizarro Island, Burgess Buff, Van Augr Warp, Kuzan Ice, Lafitte Wings)
So why would he want boas or laws DF aswell?
...a DF incarnating on Namis tangerine grove would be hype
It happened on punk hazard lol
@@bluntslt8023no it didn't
@@etlonjonhhe meant the devil fruit that killed that gas df user's pet with an axolotl or salamander fruit
@@RizzlerJones Smileys devil fruit reincarnated into an apple in a basket and was buried under the snow. I assume he's referring to the popular theory that when Monet was killed by Zoro her Snow Logia (which I believe is a tangerine) reincarnated on Namis trees. Some one piece theories have gotten so much traction people will just state them as if they're canon.
Just another thought on Blackbeard. I think, while the Strawhats are fighting Saturn, Devon and Laffite will infultrate the island and capture York. We won't realize this until after the strawhats escape. It makes sense that the blackbeard pirates would be there for some purpose and wouldn't want to leave empty headed. Maybe after encounter the seraphim, Blackbeard wanted his own.
The Nikyu theory was brought up by Oda in an SBS.
Edit: Bonney did not kill Kuma by touchong the bubble. Kuma still has his memories, it's only his will that was erased. If Vegapunk had put in the personality switch, Kuma could've retained his personality and memories.
I remember that certain SBS. I had the One Piece manga copy back then. A reader sent this theory to Oda and asked him about that. Oda "claimed" to be surprised by that and he didn't really answer whether Kuma will join or not in the end. Man, it's been more than a decade ago I read that SBS lol
Finally someone noticed what coward writer Oda has done
He made everything pointless cuz because of "split personality" thing Kuma gonna be fine
@@DaityaGod he's not going to be fine as Saturn threatened Vegapunk telling him not to do that and that as a scientist he would know if Vegapunk tried to deceive him
@@DaityaGod??
@@JoshuaCrockford If Saturn was such a brilliant scientist, then Vegapunk wasn't really needed at all in the first place.
He's just an old man acting tough behind the Transponder Snail and didn't even leave until Egghead Island arc.
Oda is always so precise with his writing to get the same insignificant background characters to react to Kuma and bonney eating. That is astonishing
Who said they reacted on Bonnie eating? We never shown they look on her and not on Kuma. Maybe all this time it's Kuma was the one who took everyone's attention
@Zagryzaec The old man with the old woman are both wearing the same hats and are in the same design within both Chapter 498 and Chapter 1102. In Chapter 498, at a Restaurant in Grove 24, we hear a "Munch Munch" and a "Chomp Chomp!!" while loud smashing sounds occur... The same old man appears in the restaurant with the same old woman across from him and says "What an Appetite!" A younger man to the left of him with a younger woman says "Where does it all go?" Adding to the emphasis of their questioning, we also see Gang Bege say "Vulgar Woman! She's Spoling my meal. Go shut her up!"
If you want to look at both chapters again to not look like an idiot and delete that comment I'd recommend it.
I have a hard time believing Kuma's self-destruct feature is a big explosion considering the elders allowed him to be used as a slave by the Celestial Dragons.
Realistically yeah, the self destruct wouldn’t be that destructive, will probably just fry his circuits.
@collecter343 you are making alot of assumptions of the competence of these people. They didn't have a backup to open the gates of justice.
Kuma leaving the Revolutionary HQ was actually a good thing. If his self-destruct mode was activated by someone, it could have killed or severly injured most of the army (since every commanders were present on the Island still)
Unless Lindbergh managed to remove the self-destruct device after Vegapunk told them about it
Regarding who knows about that one time nothing happened, the Risky brothers from Lola's crew also saw it iirc, as well as Brook. Sanji and Robin also know about it second-hand
Well, Sanji isn't as second hand
iirc he was only unconcious for Zoro actually taking the pain, but Sanji saw everything else, including Zoro's state right after, i dont think any other Straw Hat saw that mucj? could be wrong though
Wait how does robin know
@@santiagosenoran1217 iirc while sanji and zoro were talking she put an ear on the ground near them and heard what happened.
Small correction: if Vegapunk did the personality switch, Kuma wouldn’t be a blank slate. The bubble was a copy of his memories, he didn’t lose them by making it.
So really what using a theoretical personality switch could do would be to make Kuma conscious or self aware just before the theoretical self destruct goes off… 😢
Any evidence that its only a copy? I didn't get that impression but I could have missed something
Vegapunk specifically asked if the process erased Kuma’s memories to which Kuma replied that it was more like a copy.
@warsword4 ah thank you for reminding i do remember that scene
This
@@myboy_ yes I haven’t checked the official Viz yet today to see if the translation changed but based on the scans Kuma said as much!
Imagine if you dedicate your whole life to fictional pirates and never running out of content … oda is a true genius
Vegapunk on putting a personality switch on Kuma: Wait, let me ask Saint Saturn first! 😱
Vegapunk on programming Kuma to protect the home of Joyboy: I'll do it mate! Saint Saturn will be okay with that! 😇😇
0:23 Since Vegapunk stated he had difficulty of replicating the Logias, he would have to give the Seraphim counterpart of Crocodile the artificial Venom-Venom Fruit from the Lineage Factor of Magellan.
It's also a reference to Crocodile who had a poison within the tip of his golden hook against Luffy in Alabasta Saga.
Agreed. I had that theory myself for a while now. In terms of Vegapunk's accessibility to DF powers, Crocodile's use of poison in the past and sheer power the Venom Fruit would make the most sense. And it would be weird if S-Croc was the only Seraphim to not get a Paramecia but a Zoan fruit.
I think that fits perfectly since Crocodile did used his hook to TRY to poison Luffy from their final round in Alabasta.
There is a possibility vivi can get paw paw fruit not sunny. ( since vivi is also considered a strawhat and also she was on her way to egghead island )
He already made a vid about that
If the theories are true, and Nefertari D. Lili did use the Paw Paw fruti to spread the Poneglyhs across the world, then it would be very fitting for Vivi to inherit the fruit from Kuma.
Sunny can not obtained the paw paw fruit caused is not a zoan type. Vivi could be the closest candidate.
Yeah I think Vivi is definitely the strongest candidate to be the next paw paw fruit user. I see her obtaining it in a hilarious way where Luffy accidentally fed it to her without realizing it’s a devil fruit
@Stormrider1138 woahhhh that makes hella sense
Kuma can make anything travel extremely far
The Bartholomew Kuma's flashback arc is over and now we get back to the Egghead Island arc where Bonney is in danger by Saturn and Kuma better show up to deck the old fart in the schnoz.
I got a random theory, hopefully no one steals it, but I believe Blackbeard isn’t eating the other fruits, I think he’s putting them in his rings, like yk how u can feed inanimate objects devil fruits…idk I’m high asf but it makes sense
@@michaeldavis9826i like this idea!
@@michaeldavis9826 that only works with Zoans since they have their own will (according Vegapunk’s researches)
Another thing about Pudding:
BB pirates having her is potentially _terrifying,_ because any of his crew having the ability to use Memo-Memo powers means they could rip the blueprints to Pluton from Franky's mind and learn how to build it.
I dunno if they'd know how to build it, i don't think they have a ship builder on their team.
I started reading the manga from the beginning recently, and I realized that the year that Luffy ate the Gum-Gum Fruit and first swore to become King of the Pirates is the same year that Bonney was born, ten years before the events on Sabaody. And then when reading 1102 I also noticed that Bonney's eye ring sort of like a smile, just like Luffy's scar.
I have no idea what the hell Oda is trying to cook, but there are so many parallels between Luffy and Bonney that it simply can't be a coincidence.
@giwrgospetrou1159 What? I wasn't about the chapter numbers, I was talking about the character's ages. And it doesn't even need to have been planned out from the start, Oda has very clearly shown his capability to take info from old chapters and write new narratives and revelations around it.
@giwrgospetrou1159 sound the alarms, a butthole has arrived
@giwrgospetrou1159 "Comprehend better what I wrote"
That's the single most ironic thing I've ever read.
@giwrgospetrou1159you sound hella stupid
@giwrgospetrou1159 bro what the fuck does this mean
2:27 Luffy's fruit can also be read as the 2 9 fruit because ni ka
5+6 and 2+9 are both 11
Kuma's existence right now is both a driving force and shackles for Bonney. She will be freed only when he dies "completely". And I think that is where this story is headed.
I can see it now
The headline
“Death of an Elder Star, Vegapunk punk captured, Punk Records in flames. Straw Hat Luffy is the menace of the 4 emperors”
Kuma clearly stated in the chapter that the bubble was akin to a copy of his memories so regardless if that bubble his gone or not he’d still have his own memories lmfao
6:04 Umm......Brook also knows. He said it on Sabaody
💯💯💯
So do 2 members of Lolas crew and Sanji and Robin know second had from them.
I could see Kuma pushing Luffy's fatigue on Saturn. Not enough to kill but to hinder when he activates the bomb which Kuma doesn't know about.
Zoro tanked it. Wouldn't do much
Or Maybe it was his haki b4 haki
Correct me if I'm wrong ( about haki being haki then)
@@vaehbaaby6011 The amount zoro tanked would be different than what saturn would have to take on now. The fruit took the pain away from luffy and made zoro take all that pain on directly 1 to 1 and luffy's current fatigue would not be equal to that of what was on thriller bark.
@@ghudbob8613 thanks bro . I thought of that but had to get a better opinion
@@ghudbob8613 could you give me a comparison on how strong it was back then and how strong it would be now ? I still think hd will tank it tbh. I think zoro rn will tank that pain again. So Saturn must be able too. Sorry my English isn't so good
Usopp getting the paw fruit would be neat. It would give him a way to compete with Van Augur's warp fruit.
Ussop can't have Devil fruit
"BRAVE WARRIOR OF THE SEA"
who can't swim 💀
Totally makes his dream worthless
@@ashileshbhagat1276 Does that mean Luffy wanting to become King of the Pirates but can't swim like Roger is worthless as well?
@@TheWarmachine375 Pirate king is just a stepping stone for luffy to achieve his real dreams luffy real dream is not revealed yet but it's not to become pirate king he says that in recent ep " if i became pirates king maybe then it will possibly "
He definitely should feed it to his living slingshot instead. . . He could literally shoot anything then
@@ashileshbhagat1276 Luffy's dream is probably holding a massive fun party for everyone in the world where they can eat, drink and be merry.
It's a Luffy thing to do.
Also Sanji knows the nothing happened part. He saw it with his own eyes and heard the story of it later on. Also, Brook and those two companions of Lola.
The question is how strong is that "self destruct". Is it a little poof that only kills Kuma or is it more like a little nuke?
When it is dangerous to others too, thats maybe the reason why Kuma did not grab Bonny and ran away. Out of fear the WG would kill them both.
Doesn't Robin know about "Nothing Happened" too?
This might be an Anime only thing, but I remember she eavesdropping with her magical fruit powers, when those two guys told Sanji
My gut feeling is that Blackbeard is going to eventually be killed off at the end in the most humiliating, yet most fitting fashion; drowning at the bottom of the sea, unable to swim.
they said that the bubble was just a copy of kumas memories. so if vegapunk installed his switch, then he should be able to return to normal. the tragic thing might be, that he has always been concious and has witnessed what hes done, and only with the flipping of the switch, he is able to control his body again.
Another thing for those 2 years where Kuma defended the Sunny, there was a slew of Warlords that needed to be replaced. I doubt the World Government would have wanted to fill another slot.
Robin, Sanji, and Brook also know about the "nothing happened" moment, too, I believe.
If saint Saturn will end up dead, the world government or Morgan announcing his death would ruin my suspension of disbelief.
In "reality" they would cover it
one of the reasons why the kuma backstory is so good because we see his childhood and adulthood
It's funny thatIt's funny that you mentioned the Sanji / pudding scene. That was the last time that one piece tiered me up before this issue
The memories of Kuma were just a copy. Vegapunk asks him about it in the last chapter. So if Vegapunk did secretly install the switch (which it seems like might be the case), then Kuma *does* still have his memories.
The copy is gone tho
Kuma can still make more copies. Maybe even give a copy to his Seraphim @@altoturtle695
@@altoturtle695 it doesn’t matter. Kuma never lost his memories, it’s his mind that was erased (his personnality, will, pride, critical thinking, emotions)
6:09 brook, robin, and sanji know about “nothing happened”
Obvi sanji showed up at ground zero for it, but robin had ears(?)(ik she used her fruit) and brook did too, because one of them told him not to say anything
I find the memory bubble very problematic, let's say kuma re-absorbs his memories would it be the same as resurrection or would it be a very convincing copy. The way Kuma explained that he copied his memories (not deleted) makes me thinking Kuma would be dead even if he retained his memories.
The whole ordeal reminds me of Johnny silverhand and if his construct actually is Johnny or not.
Kuma still has his memories. It’s just that he lost his will and consciouness (his mind basically). Vegapunk said « Your death will hurt everyone that loved you » because he assimilates erasing his mind as killing him. Technically, Kuma is alive but his mind is dead. He’s a robot now
Actually, Brook, the Risky Brothers, Sanji and Robin know about Nothing Happened, too.
Kuma would still have his memories if vegapunk un-cyborged him, kuma states the bubble was a copy and not a transfer
If anyone currently on the crew gets the paw paw fruit, I think it should be usopp. I think it would fit his story arc well, it gives him the opportunity to run away from anything, but kuma has shown how it can be used as the ultimate hero's fruit to save others.
Even if Kuma’s memories are lost, it doesn’t mean he’s gone
A man only dies, when he is forgotten
One thing I see everyone forgetting, or at least putting in the back of their minds is... well, urouge.
Didn't Kuma say that him pushing out his memories was more of a copy than him loosing them?
Is it possible that mustering a force sufficent to subdue kuma at sabaody would have risked destroying the mangroves?
We know those trees are very valuable and kizaru got chewed out for destroying just one of them so is it so far of a stretch to suggest that the island itself was restricting the WG's ability to fight kuma and capture the sunny?
I’ve always thought it would be amazing if the sunny itself actually got the paw paw fruit, the ship being able to literally take the crew wherever they want would be insanity
I think there's much more to the number theory. If you add up all the numbers of the devil fruit crew members, you get 325
San - Ni - Go (Sunny Go)
Much love for kuma❤
Brook knows about Nothing Happened as well.
Also brook knows about zoro and didn't he tell sanji or am I wrong.
why did the marine did nothing about kuma guarding sunny?
because they tought kuma was waiting for luffy to show up and aprehend him.
remember, we as viewers have privileged information, but for any marine bystander, he made a trap to catch the guy who punched a celestial dragon.
Okay, hear me out...
Ussop having paw paw fruit, "teleporting" around while shooting all damage he takes back onto the enemy.
I mean, he usually takes inhumane amounts of beating.
Usopp paw pawing himself while Van Augur keeps warping would be pretty funny in the anime. Hey! Usopp might win by forcing Van to warp to what looks to him like an advantageous position, only to realize Usopp already paw pawed a giant 5ton hammer there 5 minutes ago, thus showing him that his fate was sealed before he even decided to move!
That means Ussop will be able to beat a giant easily. Don't forget that Kuma basically one shot Oars Jr. with Ursus Shock
And if the Straw Hats end up fighting the Blackbeard Pirates, then the sniper batle between Ussop and Van Augur would be them constantly firing and teleporting 😂
@@justawanderingoldman7699 To be fair, with constant raise in power, that's not really as massive feat as it used to be then.
Robin just got new form, and Nami still has Zeus, I believe. Long range ursus shock doesn't sound AS ridiculous as it would during Thriller Bark.
Tho I feel like it would be nerfed somewhat, either due to Ussop not been a buckaneer, or being new user.
Still, fun idea to explore
I always wanted Usopp to get the paw paw fruit. Gives him mobility and the ability to turn everything into a projectile.
Vivi is the last straw hat member and is getting the paw paw fruit at the same time
I really, *really* like the idea that Vivi ends up with the Paw Paw Fruit and finally joins the crew, especially with the theory that Nefeltari Lili was a previous user of the fruit and that's how she scattered the Poneglyphs.
Choppers backstory will always be my favorite. First time I've cried from watching something animated
Production. Luffy can at least get the Stella off Egghead, or protect him for long enough so Dragon shows up. The Stella then works with the Revolutionary Army, like he should have after the Ohara Incident.
I have a kind of ship of thesis theory that all of Kuma's part or at least personality is in s-bear just waiting for vega punk to hit the personality switch.
I think you're forgetting the part where Kuma said the bubble was just a copy of his memories. Pointing that out to say that he still has them yes yes.
I always wondered why the scans were out whilst the officials took so long during this season, thanks for the explanation. Also, don't Sanji and Robin know about Nothing Happened because those guys in Lola's crew told Sanji and Robin spied?
It's very possible that S-Bear can just create another copy of Kuma's memories through Bonney's memories, she saw everything after all
Merry Christmas Liam and to all the Grand Line crew members! 😊
Random thought but I wonder if black beards devil fruit ability to negate devil fruits is the reason he can hold multiple fruits at one, essentially disabling one (or more) fruits so his body behaves like it only has one, will be interesting to see if he can use both abilities at the same time or if he has to pick which one is used at a time and keeps them on rotation of sorts
I vaguely remember a panel where he had the shadow ability in one hand and the quake in the other…been casually following for awhile now as I’ve gotten older so my memory may not be as great as some of you youngsters 😄
5:08 That's why she was crying in the last panel no? After she saw her father's memories, she also saw she essentially ended his only chance of coming back in her haste for answers. Can't imagine how much her heart sank
Sanji and robin also know about zoros “nothing happen” scene from sanji being told what happened after his knock out by zoro and robin used her power to eavesdrop on sanji being told about it
Small correction: There are more than 3 people who know about the "nothing happened" moment with Zoro. Bonney, Vegapunk, Zoro and Kuma obviously... but don't forget Sanji, Brook, Robin, and the two random guys on Thriller Bark that witnessed it and went on to explain it to Sanji. Robin can be seen eavesdropping on the conversation, and we see Brook's initial reaction to the event but he also mentions to Zoro while they're running from the Pacifista on Sabaody that he witnessed the whole thing with Zoro taking Luffy's place back on Thriller Bark.
I really like the idea of nami getting the paw paw fruit through her tangerines. She could still use a power up even with Zeus and the she has character parallels to Kuma with how she tried to protect her island from Arlong. I think it wluld be really thematically appropriate for her tangerines, which symbolise the sacrifices of both herself and Bellemere, to be the source of this power-up.
Correction: they’re not quite confirmed to be fully “fruited up”. It’s not confirmed whether Laffitte has eaten one or not.
Brook also saw the entire “nothing happened” sequence unfold. As did two members of Lola’s crew. Sanji was knocked out before he could actually see what went down, but heard about it from Lola’s guys after waking up and Robin eavesdropped on that conversation. So there’s a good deal more people who know what Zoro went through than you’re giving credit for.
brook also saw that nothing happened with zoro, he says so to sanji after the fact
ive just caught up to the manga this year and i have to say hank you grandlinereview for all the emazing content ive been able to enjoy. easily my favorite one piece related channel and i always look forward to your videos. just like the anime and manga im honored to have you as part of my weekyl one piece rituals
Sanji and Robin also known nothing happens as well as two pirates on Thriller Bark
I forgot bb pirates were in egghead. And robin, sanji and brook know of the nothing happened too. Robin and sanji got told what happened, brook saw it himself
A "leaker" did indeed say that franky would have the paw paw fruit and it would play a key role in some time ravel shenaniganry or sumn, i dont really remember that clearly. But they said blackbeard has three hearts which is why he can have 3 devil fruits
Ussop's slingshot should eat the paw-paw fruit. Imagine the reaction of Ussop seeing his opponents just disappear when a paw shot hits them or he could take his damage taken and fire it at someone else. It would come in handy when he goes up against Van Auger.
Yoooo that would be dope 😎😎😎
I forgot all about Black Beard being on his way to Egghead Island. 😂 Forget about Vivi getting the Paw Paw Fruit, Black Beard getting the fruit is the next best scenario.
If the thousand sunny ate the paw paw fruit, id cry out of joy
I just said this as well
Robin knows that nothing happened
Blackbeard would be op, he can teleport anywhere
merry christmas internet man from australia! thanks for all your work.
I actually love the idea of the tangerine grove on the sunny becoming a new sort of Eve tree, but it is a little morbid for One Piece, considering people would have to DIE to make it happen. Idk, maybe there’s a loophole somewhere
I didn't think the editing of this channel could get any better, but you're proving me more and more wrong.
If I’m correct Nika can be read as 2 9, so the hito hito no mi model Nika is filling both 2 9 and 5 6, I guess
A flashback tier-list video could be a good idea right now
Toei has to do the kuma life flashing before his eyes justice they have to animate it 10/10 it will be one if the best ep in one piece
The memory bubble was a copy. Kuma told Vegapunk as much. So the true memory may still exist somewhere within the original Kuma. Perhaps Vegapunk actually installed the system to revert Kuma back in secret
Which still would held the potential of Kuma joining the Strawhats, if he survives somehow. Would be great if you think about Jinbei. Former Warlord, helped the Strawhats out, joined years later.
So Ruffy beat three Warlords (Croco-Mom, Moria and Doffy) und got joined by three Warlords (Yeah Boa did not join him in the crew, but essential would follow Luffy without asking)
This alone leaves Mihawk. The odd number 7 is then taken out by Zorro. And since Mihawk counts as strong as a yonko, Zorro would gain the titel of second most strongest pirat on the planet, after his captain.
12:19 this is not a plothole at all, it makes a lot of sense to not break his contract with Saturn, I think its fair to say that Kuma never even had a single thought of breaking that contract. Thats just how honest and rightous Kuma is.
The thing with the number system is while it's a bit out there, someone asked Oda in an SBS. So if he didn't think of it himself the idea could've been implanted.
Galaxy brain theory: (shout out to 333vil) if 333vil is right and the paw paw fruit is a mythical zoan, it explains how i has a will of its own and is causing mindless kuma to head out? 🤔
VegaPunk created a system to be able to see them without touching so I’m sure all those memories are saved somewhere on his system. VP would never let information truly be completely destroyed. So if VegaPunk did put a failsafe on KumaBorg he would be able to get his memories
I think Vega Punk was supposed to keep Bonnie from touching the memory bubble because he was going to put those memories into the Kuma seraphim
But now Kuma's memories live on inside his daughter and she will be the one to carry his will into the future just like in real life and like Dr Hiruluck said a man only dies when he is forgotten
I hope Blackbeard DOESN'T have the ability to store and give DF powers, that just feels too close to AFO from MHA
It may not be a plot hole but a throwaway line would have helped. As it stands, Bonney has a 100mil+ bounty AND Akainu of all people was sent after her, for some reason after Kuma.exe was deleted. Whatever danger they may have faced was easily solved with a telepawrt. I’d say Kuma protecting the Sunny for 2 years while the government knew is actually a plot hole until addressed.
Sanji Robin and Brooke also know about nothing happened. Brooke witnessed it, Sanji was told by the risky brothers and Robin eavesdropped on them
kuma’s “self destruct” was made by vegapunk. my theory is vegapunk went against Saturn from the beginning, and instead of a bomb he coded a personality shift back to his normal self.
theory supported by his rampage towards bonnie. he died WAY back at the war of the best and may have recently returned for his daughter.
Having just completed a reread of the entire series right as the Kuma flash back started I can confidently say that this is my favorite flashback. Though I'm also biased having a son that's roughly Bonney's age, so everything involving their relationship just hit extra hard.
Any Straw Hat Exists : Time Machine .
Ace,Sabo& Luffy : Nikka , JoyBoy is Return.
Sabo &Luffy :I M Back Home.