MD-11 Runway Excursion in Mumbai
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
- In this video I will take a look at the recent runway excursion that happened to a FedEx Md 11 after landing in Mumbai international airport on June 3rd. We are still awaiting more details on this incident but I will take the opportunity to talk about runway excursions in general using this one as an example.
I will give you 3 different main reasons why runway excursions tend to happen and how we are trained to avoid them.
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"Runway excursion"
It almost sounds like fun, like a field trip.
Maybe that's what's wrong. People think it's a fun thing. Maybe call it something like "plane eats dirt" and I'm sure the number of incidents will go down.
Yes exactly --- Plane to Pilot "right, you've taken me on a little excursion, now it's my turn".
Hi, That's what I thought. I was seeing the picnic basket and blanket and everything. Yours,Ann
@@sampathsris Well "excursion" is used instead because it's not JUST exiting the runway, but also... leaving the landing zone of the runway area.
Every cabin should have a mother sitting quietly inside it. So just in case when the plane is about to land she can say, "Jacob, before you leave the cabin, have you got your thrust reversers on?"
Yes and also, "before you leave the cabin, please park the plane and do the shutdown checklist" 😅
In a way there is a kind of mother already in a lot of the automated voice warnings, although there's a mix between the sexes depending on the plane. There's a nice interview with the voice actor behind one of them under a "'Bitchin' Betty' Bids Farewell" headline. The Russian air force has a "Nagging Nadia" as well.
My Mother would say always Make sure to take another Pair of clean Under wear and Pants in case something happens lol
So in summary, a major reason for runway excursions is that the pilots aren’t doing absolutely fantastic.
Chris Walton lol
Spoiler :(
(Jk)
That wasn’t really the point he was getting at
Or that they didn’t stay tuned. 🤷♂️
I'd say that's true, regardless of whether it's ATC error, Pilot Error, Technical failure or weather that's less then fantastic. Any combo of those will give a pilot a bad day.
I've lived in BOM for 30+ years and used 14/32 Runway many times, although it is the secondary (9/27 is the primary). People watching this video need to understand what heavy rain in the tropics means. It's truly staggering how much water can collect within seconds and minutes. Runway 14 has an easy approach with no high obstacles but it is the shorter of the two at BOM. On first glance, water is definitely a cause (either aquaplaning or reduced braking). However, the investigation will determine where touchdown happened and what the brake settings were, etc. Remember also that runway 27 (primary) has had two runway overrun excursions in the previous two monsoon seasons, both during extreme rain. Both were 737s if I remember correctly.
MK KM the SpiceJet one happened right in front of me on 27 while we were lined up. That was the first rain of the monsoon and it was really very bad. Many reports of windshear and go around.
I’m not much of a global traveler, so I’m unsure of how similar my story is, but here goes:
Many many years ago, my aunt described her reaction to hearing new neighbors and colleagues tell her that they “never drive when it rains”.
My aunt, having grown up in the Midwest and experienced in driving in both rain and snow storms, thought her new neighbors in California were being strangely over cautious. That was, until she experienced a heavy, Southern California downpour for herself and then understood what her new neighbors and colleagues were talking about.
I have not personally experienced a Southern California downpour, but based on my aunts vocalization and body language, I would probably look for a place to pull over if I was driving in California and a heavy storm were to cross my path.
Your comment reminded me of my aunt telling her story… now if I can remember to ask my favorite FedEx pilot if he has had similar experience at this airport
@@tanya5322 yeah, it's like the old term "cow drowner", IE rain so heavy it's physically dangerous to stand outside. I got to experience it first hand when the tropical storm Isabel made landfall in the DC area. I would NOt want to fly anything in THAT weather.
Landing an MD-11 at Mumbai in weather like that? Good job making it safely! :D
@@tanya5322 Possibly similar to what the 4pm thunderstorm showers in the Tampa Bay area used to be like. (I understand that those are changing too now due to climate change.) In a flash, the streets would be flooded, and I would be wading home instead of walking.
He always keep updated with aviation news...👍
Glad you liked it
You Must Remember. Your Coming in, &, all of sudden, your blinded by a Pink Nail Salon. Dated wall paper keeping me from concentrating. Dangerous, Yes. Severe Headache! Pan Pan Pan!!! & No Patxi? CJ
Hello Mentour Pilot, please Why and How do planes land with their nose pointing upwards?
ur dark side because they need to touch down with the main gear and if the came down flat it would touch the nose gear first and the nose gear is not strong enough to touch down first.
The Crazy Banana “Main Gear” touch down first for (1) control, (2) slow down, (3) and if need arises to immediately power up for a go around. (4) if you land on the nose gear it would collapse and the pilot would lose control of the aircraft...
For some reason I laughed my ass off when Petter said "no matter HOW much you try to brake, it doesn't matter, you're just HAULING down the runway". I didn't expect that particular colloquialism from Petter's Swedish English! As usual, wonderful presentation, an absolute master this guy is! Really fun to watch and listen to.
Me in X-Plane 11: runway excursion every single landing.
Lol, I bounce every time 😁
Same for me -.-
Fluffy -Fluffy If you’re bouncing then your landing speed is simply too fast. Try coming over the numbers 5 knots slower, and just before touchdown raise the nose a little higher than you do today, even if that means a slight float.
Runway? :)
@@fltof2 it's not only the reason tho, I tend to bounce when I flare too much too late(I mean touching down at high pitch and high descend rate)
It's always good to have that "extra part" of runway as reserve.
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3:29 Yes the runway was closed between noon and 7PM due to bad weather (Cyclone Nisarga).
I thought a runway excursion was a guided tour for aviation geeks where they get to look at interesting stuff around the runway, like lights, equipment, ILS antennas, radio huts etc.
Incursions go in and excursions go out. I'm just starting to watch so yeah, excursion is confusing me.
So it does mean going out. Learned something new today. The plane left (went off of) the runway.
That would be absolutely fantastic if that’s what it really meant. Sign me up. 😁
I thought it involved a picnic too
Thank you
Random but FedEx really likes the MD-11, I live by Newark and there is like 25 to 50 which come in every single day. That company really knew how to build solid work horses, just look at the mad dogs, they really hold up well
Yes, it seems like it.
Mentour Pilot omg u responded! Stay safe
MD-11 is the second heaviest workhorse we have at FedEx, next to Boeing 777.
While people like to bash MD, this planes still logging hours in the skies. Why is that ?
They scrap planes half of this age or less. MD-11s still going. Douglas knew their sh1t pretty well and even when MD-11 wasnt the expected plane if the early 90s, it finds its place in the cargo industry.
robert smith Yes, every day I see the same planes flying all over the world whether it’s to Hong Kong or Charles de Gaulle or anywhere, do you work at FedEx?
When it rains in Mumbai, it really really rains !
Monsoooooooooon!
Wasn't that a cyclone
@@anshagrawal6289 it rains heavy even without cyclone. Usually
I try to avoid flights to Mumbai during the monsoon. It is really scary.
@@Kjellmagneask WOW, monsoons never scared me. They're kinda awesome that so much water can fall from the sky but that's it.
"I don't want to talk about ongoing investigations". And THEN he met Blancolirio
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I feel the same way 🎉😊
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Thank you, Mentour. I really appreciate you insight into this excursion and your explanations. These are some of the best videos that you do because I always learn something. Great job!
Mumbai is a difficult airport when it has weather .
It always has weather. Even if it doesn’t rain it has weather.
Fluffy -Fluffy *bad weather 😅
Absolutely fantastic explanation as always , many thanks for the time you spend for us to enjoy these videos !!
My congratulations for the 600k subs Peter! You do a great job with your explanations. Especially for people who don't know about that daily work "problems" as a pilot, like in this case. I think if one of those events like you discribe in this video happend, this pilots did a great job. And as i know... The MD11 is a beast to land even in NORMAL conditions. Gracias y hasta luego:)
Fantastic explanations as always, absolutely fantastic. Thanks for the great content Petter
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Great video! Love these frequent notifications from your channel! Be safe!
I do what I can!
Keep safe you to!
Another excellent, detailed video! Thanks for the excellent technical detail as to the precise definition of a “runway excursion” for incident reporting purposes. Until I saw your video, I did not have a clear picture of how there could have been a runway excursion that was cleared so quickly and with no damage to either the runway or the aircraft. But now that is perfectly clear to me. Thanks again for all you do to educate your viewers and bring us precise understanding of technical issues.
yeah, "excursion" in this case is a minor technicality and given the bad weather, I doubt anyone but maintenance personnel really cared.
Another very good and interesting video. You are at the top of your game these days, Petter. Cheers!
I've actually seen that plane , while my 737 was taxing , I saw a trijet , and snapped a couple pictures , I just checked and it's the same one that I took photos of ( btw , amazing pronounciation Petter )
Cool!!
Glad you liked it!
That must be a terrifying event for you..
@Mentour Pilot : Don't forget measurement bias in the figures. The ability to measure minor excursions has increased over time. If you go back 10 years or more, then the MD11 wouldn't have been classed as an excursion many times. It'd depend if anyone noticed and cared enough to classify it as such.
Also not clear if he meant that excursions are becoming more common in absolute terms, in terms of percentage of landings, or in terms of percentage of incidents (this last one being what the pie graph shows). By definition, if other kinds of incidents are becoming less common as a percentage of incidents (because those problems are being solved), something else is becoming more common.
@@scottwood4372 And also if there are more landings overall, there would be more incidents and accidents overall. I bet that 2020 and 2021 had much fewer runway excursions than 2019, but does that indicate that the problem is solved? :)
Aquaplaning is when your MD-11 suddenly becomes a seaplane
Excellent video as always. The fact we even get to hear about these excursions is because they are rare. For every takeoff or landing that overruns, just think how many do not. Why don't they happen more often? Because these folks are professionals. They are at the top of their game keeping you and me safe. When it does go wrong, they investigate, learn and improve. My thanks to every single one of them: pilots, navigators, cabin crew, ATC, maintenance, all of them.
That’s why the excess areas at the end of the runway are there - for extra runoff in an emergency . The MD11 is a compromised aircraft in crosswinds and windshear - HKG, LAX ETC ETC
Hi Mentour, I'm from Mumbai. Thank you for talking about this incident.
Hi, very good explanation. For the viewers, Hydroplaning is aquaplaning.
William Cherne It sure is! Lol
love your videos and how you break it down and explain in detail
Thanks for the explanation. This occurred in the secondary runway 14/32 in my city airport!
Perfect and very easy to understand explanation. Thank you for your efforts. A really good channel. Fly safe and stay healthy.
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Excellent, I liked how explanative you were. I learnt a lot. Thanks
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Respected sir,
Very nice good coverage now u coming into air journalism too love from India
As usual very well explained to us none pilots. Many thanks.🇬🇧
Thanks again, fascinating as always.
Another great and very informative video.
Brake system B failed after landing an HS-748 where I was pilot monitoring. The Captain told me to assist him with my braking pedals floored. The aircraft stopped, and I could see the River Guadalquivir (second longest river in Spain) flowing under my seat in the cockpit. The Captain taxied, turning 180º back to the runway and then to the apron. He told me later that we hadn't stepped onto any of the very expensive runway-end lights. What I was relieved for was not that, but that we hadn't had to swim back to the river bank.
Great video, Petter. Thanks
Fascinating topic. Many thanks to you.
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Please, don't ever stop starting these with, 'I hope you're doing absolutely fantastic!'
Brilliant and very informative! Thanks a lot.
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Very good explanation about all factors. Great channel.
PETTER, MENTOUR, always excellent recording.
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Good advice. When I worked nights caring for very fragile kids with leukemia, I had a similar policy-to learn all I could from mistakes that ALMOST resulted in harm. Learn then and you'll avoid those with bad consequences. The same is true in aviation. Learn, learn, learn... always learning.
Excellent explanation...got it! 👍
Another great video....
I really enjoy this type of video. Your analysis and explanations are clear and understandable. Thanks so much! Oh, and now I know why a "spoiler" is called a spoiler!
As far as I know thai plane need High speeds to land
Thanks capt ,you always ahead of the rest
Glad you liked it
Learned a lot, thx.
Great and interesting explanation
How am I supposed to be "careful", when no one gives me access to the cockpit? I guess I just have to try harder
Thanks for the video
I was stranded in Mumbai during the terrible monsoon of 2005. The airport was flooded, many systems weren't working and the airport was closed. When it was re-opened with very low cloud an Air India plane landed and skidded off the runway. I was travelling with South African Airlines, who were brilliant in every way, care of passengers, information and so on. To cut a long story short, when we were finally able to leave we were in a queue of planes, the one that took off in front of us disappeared in the water it threw up. Obviously, as I am writing this we took off safely but I have never heard a pilot sound so relieved and shaken at the same time. Thank you SAA you were wonderful.
Runway 14 in Mumbai is very easy to have a long flare and longer than expected landing roll on, especially during the horrible rains that BOM has. Everything is ripe for an overrun: there’s a significant downslope, more pronounced than published figures because of a hump in the middle as I remember, there’s a displaced threshold (LDA is actually 2471m as compared to the 2871m that a pilot first sees on the Jep airport diagram), quartering tailwinds are common and as far as I can remember the papi and glide might not be well matched lol. Beware fellas
Great explanation thanks
I M From Mumbai
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As always, your explanations and descriptions are easy to understand and enjoyable to watch and hear. I do have a question, though, unrelated to this. Recently I flew into Seatac Airport (Seattle, Washington). There I noticed that many of Alaska Airlines' planes had what appeared to be a "safety tape" hanging from the underside of the tail of each plane and ending in what appeared to be a metal disk sitting on the tarmac. I did NOT notice any planes of other airlines with the same device. What is that for--and why and when is it deployed?
Great explanation.
Great video! Thank you for explaining how runway excursions could happen during landing. I know about runway excursions during taxiing and towing activities, or anywhere you cross the runway holding position lines, but hadn't thought about that they could occur during landings.
It looks to me that about 4 seconds before the plane came to a stop, #1 engine had several compressor stalls. I saw 3 or 4 bright flashes in the area of the engine inlet.
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can you research on germanwings flight 9525
and do a video on that
All this happened a few kilometres away from here so it kinda feels good you talking about my city.
Ideally it shouldn't, considering it's a mishap after all!
Excellent!
NICE JOB PETER
Thank you for another outstanding program! Note: It seems noteworthy that this problem (excursions) is on the rise. It would be of interest to know whether this is happening pretty much in an equal distribution around the globe, & among different carriers, & among the various commercial aircraft, or are there certain scenarios where risk is disproportionately elevated. Thank you again!
That’s a great question. It seems to be pretty equally distributed but the increase in foul weather probably plays a part. Also the widening of destinations to include shorter runways could play a part.. it’s definitely worth studying
@@MentourPilot Your work (careful reconstructions/thoughtful analyses) just has to be building awareness, improving safety, & saving lives. If this particular area (excursions) is unique in lagging behind otherwise across-the-board advances in aviation safety, perhaps extra attention to it could result in meaningful differences/trend reversal. (Incidental: An old friend, Waldon Weaver (now flying for St. Peter & staff), used to say that aviation's a microcosm of earth & everything on it - starting with intelligent design, & proceeding to include all modifications thereafter. If, e.g., changing weather issues adversely impact aviation, they must necessarily also impact everything else. So it is too, Wally would say, that literally everything that goes on anywhere falls within the purview of aviation (& influences the interlinked actions transforming primitive raw materials into the highly sophisticated reality of modern aviation). This is just to suggest that if Wally were still among us, he'd resoundingly cheer & encourage your work, & say that in whatever ways every aspect of aviation can be improved, civilization itself is commensurately strengthened. Thank you, Mentour Pilot!
"I'll give you three different reasons why aircraft normally have runway excursions"
Do they? I am by no means a frequent flyer but have travelled by air. And I yet have to experience my first runway excursion.
Sorry, I could not resist.
Thank you for your content! As an aviation enthusiast and glider pilot I love your perspective on how the big iron is operated. Also it is really interesting to see that even a wide-body jet airliner is still just an airplane bound by physics. So I do learn things for my own everyday flying.
Drop the anchor
Most of the issues you’ve mentioned can be applied to driving a car or riding a motorcycle. Hydroplaning… braking with or without antilock brakes, driving too fast for conditions, etc. when riding a motorcycle we are taught to be careful of tar snakes. The tar snake repairs the road has can get slick in the rain and in the heat. Love your channel!
Great visual aids.
MD-11 is one of my favorite aircraft. Hope to see it soon in X-Plane 11.
great video, well here in scotland they always use thrust reverse as we are landing in 30mm of water :)
technical failure is a good point - this reminded me of an incident which happened i think in the late 80s in düsseldorf, germany. an approaching lufthansa DC10 experienced flaps malfunction and thus it had to land at a much higher speed. combined with a wet runway, they ended up in the mud after the end of the runway. (this incident was also "featured" in an episode of the german düsseldorf-airport-themed tv show named "abenteuer airport".)
It looked like a brief flame on the left engine, could that have been from water ingesting into the engine?
Yes, two flashes. As we don't have video of the entire landing, I wonder if it happened more than once and perhaps the pilots got prevented from using a higher reverse setting from water ingestion.
I think it was a light flashing
Looks like a compressor stall. The engine will briefly shoot flames during a compressor stall.
If it was reverse thrusting and the left engine gave up, it would have swerved the other way due to any asymmetric thrust?
Good question, Even I am confused about this.
Aquaplaning or Hydroplaning was a major contribution to the American Airlines Flt 1420 MD82 Accident at Little Rock. Also the QANTAS Flight 1, a B747 overrun of the runway in similar monsoon weather in Bangkok..
Thanks Juan... Wow love the Weightless theme, but don't give up on Aram's version, I'm sure you won't
Hello Mentour, there is one thing you need to understand about the MD-11. The reason you hear the reversers in this video begin to spool down before they reach taxi speed is because they have to. At FedEx it is required to completely stow the reversers by 60kts on all landings other than some kind of emergency, of course. That's why you hear them do that in the video. Then they obviously realized they weren't going to stop in time and so they spooled the reversers back up again. The reason for this runway excursion was not caused by the reversers or their usage. Something else happened earlier, although we can't see what that was. They could have landed long, too fast, too much tailwind, hydroplaning or any number of things that can't be determined from this video. Furthermore, reverse thrust is not even considered when making landing distance calculations in this plane, at least at FedEx. It's all based on brakes and spoilers. Any benefit from the reversers is just icing on the cake, but not required. Just thought you would like to know so that you and your viewers can understand why the reversers spooled down before getting to taxi speed.
19:24 That's my notification tune too. When I heard it I thought I had got a notification 😂
Thanks
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Great video! Is aqua-planing an aviation-specific term, or more a general European reference? In the U.S. I've always heard it called hydroplaning. Thanks.
Ooh, tricky one! Basically it's all the same sort of thing, David. In Britain we tend to call road vehicles sliding on water 'aquaplaning' because hydroplaning seems more connected with the vanes/ wings on proper watercraft like speedboats and submarines.
I think a 'hydrovane' is a steering mechanism for a yacht, so - in Britain at least - the 'hydro' prefix is mostly reserved for anything that's actually supposed to be afloat. (I'm sure there are numerous exceptions, so please don't quote me on that.)
Hydrofoils and hydroplanes are definitely boats, though, so using the term aquaplaning for road vehicles avoids confusion with them. Well, sort of.
Bottom line: 'aqua-' is slightly less nautical than 'hydro-' but it's just as soggy. ;-)
Just depends on whether you prefer greek or latin. Hydra and aqua both mean the same thing and are interchangeable
Interesting about the rubber collecting at the touchdown zone. Just last week I was listening to a "heavy" pilot exchange with approach ATC: METAR indicated no precipitation, but it had rained heavily a few hours prior, and the roads still showed moisture.
The heavy pilot was telling ATC that they were in approach based on METAR, but [they must've learned via company backchannel] if the runway was still wet they'd have to divert. At this point my wife called me - doh!
The heavy must've been at the very limit of their limits, and wet rubber residue makes a good explanation for why they were concerned about wet runway hours after the rain.
At 13:44 there is a brief engine flame out I don’t know if you can see it! What can cause such thing in this situation? Great video Mentour!
First thing I notice is the way you flash 3 fingers to indicate 3 items. I learned the difference when I watched Inglorious Basterds.
Aquaplaning is actually the German word for Hydroplaning. It surprised me when that word was chosen for hydroplaning. I almost expected Petter to use the word "vattenplanering", which is the same word in Swedish. I actually didn't know that, I had to look it up. It made me curious because I was stationed in Germany in the Military Police, and when I dealt with the German Police, that's when I heard the word aquaplaning. So I wondered if it was the same in Swedish, and I found out it was not, but interestingly enough, I did find out aquaplaning is used in the UK as well. By the way, I stumbled on to these video's purely by accident. I found myself reeled in so to speak, and now I cannot get enough of them. These are great videos and very informative. I have found myself telling everyone I know about them including my Grandkids. I figured if they get the aviation bug maybe they will want to be pilots when they get older. Thank you!!!
7:18 Captain Joe also mentioned (and showed an example) that in an aquaplaning situation it is actually possible to melt the tire rubber if the brakes are used in that situation.
Yep, hence the anti-skid
The straight tire lines video?
Christopher,do you have a link to that video? This doesn't make sense to me so I probly just don't understand what you said. If the tires are aqua planing they are basically water skiing, there will be no where on them what so ever. Maybe you mean if they are locked up when they come back into contact with the pavement they will wear flat spots or even blow out?
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@@MentourPilot man you and captain Joe are the best RUclipsrs can you and captain Joe do a live stream being that your both boeing pilots. And as always “keep the blue side up”
@@souocara38able that's exactly it. The wheels need to be free to spin up to speed before brakes are applied once the aquaplaning starts. Without the anti skid that would have to be done by the pilot's aware control.
I read that the MD11 is a beast to land in certain weather conditions. I remember a fedex md11 crashed in Tokyo when it bounced instead of landing and staying on the runway. I think the Tokyo crash had a strong wind component too, i dont remember if was a cross wind then too. The design of the md11 makes it vulnerable to bouncing undeceive certain conditions.
mark salmon I’ve heard this, too. It’s apparently a touchy plane to fly and I think they require a higher landing speed than most airliners because it has a smaller tail plane than the DC-10.
MD-11 tail surfaces haven been reduced in comparison to the DC-10 to achive better fuel figures. Arlines put order with fuel figures as mandatory ... They couldnt reach the figures, so they reduced the surface to reduce drag. As a consequence, they need to be landed faster than other jets. But is all about practice. It a well known issue. Every plane can bounce. MD-11 error magin is smaller. Thats all. It is a beast when it comes to take off. See lufthansa cargo vid of the MD-11 around the globe. Pilots LOVE them.
I recall an MD-11 crash in foul weather in Hong Kong too.
Isn't the MD-11 the plane with the highest landing speed of any civilian aircraft ever built? That's a big complaint pilots at DAL had when they flew the MD-11 in passenger service.
@@ZboeC5 Makes sense. Same cockpit but different characteristics.
Does the center engine on the MD-11 have a thrust reverser? Just a curious question.
Yes it does
Yes it does.