Shreddage 3 Masterclass Episode 3: Riffs & Rhythm Articulations
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- Episode 3 of our SHREDDAGE 3 masterclass series on using, performing, and writing for virtual guitars. This tutorial video in our Novice Unit covers rhythm articulations like palm mutes and staccatos, as well as powerchords and release articulations. You'll learn useful writing and layering techniques to make your rhythm parts sound huge!
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The NOVICE UNIT is about learning how to use S3 to write music using only a small number of essential controls. You won't need to dive deep into the instrument's engine to get a great result.
Recorded by Nabeel Ansari (S3 lead developer)
Edited by Reuben Cornell
Written by Nabeel Ansari & Andrew Aversa
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Thank you for continuing this training. It really helps with using your software. Already have stratus and going to be getting abyss and Jupiter. Love the sound of your guitars.
I've been using shreddage for almost 2 years now, and I'm impressed by how amazing they're
These tutorials add a lot of value to your product. Thanks for this video sequence :)
Absolutely. I am completely blown away by the level of detail in these masterclasses and the overall commit to end users. Good stuff
Sorry to be so offtopic but does anybody know a method to log back into an Instagram account..?
I stupidly forgot the password. I would appreciate any assistance you can give me.
Jupiter is my favorite of all. Really great to get those lower djenty notes. Hope you release an 8 string guitar soon!
They have the Hydra now. Wondering if you've used it and how it compares with Rogue and Jupiter.
This one was very helpful! I got Rogue recently
I used Evolution Dracus (Orangetree) for a long time - gotta say Shreddage has a couple of really positive sides to it that Dracus and the rest don't have; modular fx (freely set order, saveable settings, save/load between different Shreddage instruments), free ADSR controls for the articulations, proper modular save/load for patches (you can choose which ones you save and load out of the three tabs which are 1 articulation settings, 2 main engine settings and 3 the effects chains; you can save/load these separately whichever way you want to). Also, in general, if you want to djent and shred, Shreddage Jupiter (and Serpent, why not the others too, although I personally think Hydra's djent sound is surprisingly dull, haven't used it though, just heard elsewhere!) has a better and/or more easily attainable sound for that (ofc). Also, Dracus etc have 2 palm mutes and a mute, and that's it, and no global offset (very useful for de-djenting and making the sound softer in Shreddage), no rakes, no staccatos, no multi-parameter articulations tabs, no per-layer velocity-to-volume, no time windows for release noises.
That being said, Dracus has some stuff Shreddage doesn't: automatable effects (the only one I'm really missing from Shreddage is the awesome Wah pedals they have, you can midi-control and/or automate them), different pickups, pick modeling (I'm not a guitarist so I don't really need that), 3 squeals instead of 1 (I don't mind having just 1 because the 1 Shreddage has is awesome), strum/riff engine for writing your own riffs (haven't used but it's pretty damn good) although ofc the strum engine of Shreddage is really good too.
But any day, I'd prefer Shreddage for general, highly adjustable djentage (as Stevie T would say)/shredding. Great job with these.
Thanks for making tutorial for shreddag 3 guitar 🤘
Keep them coming! I need all the knowledge I can get!
Thanks for this Video. This was really helpful. Now my stuff sounds more natural \m/
Great stuff !!! Especially the MIDI-files are very helpful!
I'm looking forward to the following videos.
Love the S3 guitar series! Looking forward to the 8 string this year!
Most helpful video series on programming guitars I've seen so far. I love your products. Started with shreddage 2, through the coupon code for Jupiter it was a no brainer, I love it. The drums are Shreddage drums I guess? I still have to figure out how to make them sound this powerful, but I just have to learn a lot how to mix things in general :D Still feel like a newbie when I watch this. xD
Ah, good to know, these drums sounds awesome. But I finally watched the Shreddage Drums Tutorial and I just underestimated how powerful this plugin is. I mostly worked with Addictive Drums - Heavy United before and had to tweak and compress so much to get a powerful result. I made an own preset with SD in like 20 Minutes and it was wow (in my ears xD) I look forward to make some awesome music with Jupiter and SD but I keep an eye on GGD anyway x)
@Nabeel Ansari alright, definitely will check them out, thx :)
These are spectacular, thanks for sharing with us! The guided tour of techniques makes me even more excited about using Shreddage to get an even more realistic guitar sound. For the playback in these videos, are you using any effects/processing such as eq or compression beyond what the presets you’re showing already provide?
I just purchased Hydra. I'm assuming all these features are included in that as well... I think this Jupiter sounds pretty rad but I figured since I'm not likely to ever purchase an 8-string guitar I might be able to put a plugin version to use.
Given all the articulations and data you have collected, you should seriously consider releasing a phrase based library that enhances and improves the work flow for faster strumming results
Nice tutorial, are you thing to do tutorial about mixing these guitars rhythm and lead? In context. Thank you for the hard work
Can you please demonstrate if it's possible to do elaborate pinch harmonic techniques? Like dive bombing?
Ok, i did the same steps and my guitar doesn't sound the same? 01:44 Here you talk about mixing techniques. Is there a future video yet about those mixing techniques? Also what are the snapshots for your second guitar, the abyss i mean. I just want to make my plugin pull off the exact same clean guitar sound like it is in the video. I'm using FL studio, and i use 2 contact patterns. One for Jupiter and one for Abyss. When i combine them and use the same notes, all i get is low quality sound. Please pay me attention im begging you. The only difference between my guitar and yours is that mine has more noise. The one in the video seems so clear... please some help.
Great! Wonderful tutoriaI! I have to ask what drum library are you using ?
I don't understand why my Guitars don't have the Palm Mute key? The Palm Mute key on mine is the PowerChords.
Very instructive tutorials. My question is: besides the very well programmed shreddage plugins, how much work in effecting your demos is necessary to reach such a highly professional sound? In other words: how far is the distance between the result obtainable by merely programming the shreddage plugins and mixing/effecting such result? Thank you!
For me, Jupiter is much better than Rogue and Serpent. Hope you could make a video about articulation in future.
I can't seem to swap between palm mute and sustain when I change some chord to palm mute, then the whole track will turn to palm mute.
can you record a melody with all regular notes and then go back a change certain notes to be palm mute or must you record them while your changing?
Hi1 Where can I find the smooth flair lead preset shown in the video at 7:19? I can't see in jupiter presets
What keybed type or features do you most recommend for playing fluent and articulately specially riffs to sound more natural and give more expression: action keys, synth like, aftertouch, weighted, semi weighted..
My personal preference is semi-weighted or synth action for guitar stuff, since you're not usually playing very sensitive dynamic material.
Anybody know how to slide using this?
Come on guys! Where is the new episode? :)
My palm mutes sounds like muffled open staccato.Does anyone know why ?
Why when i put some notes they sounds like last one?
How can i make dead mute on shreddage 3? there is only palm mute articulation setting. plus is there any way to switch the pickup?
no they only sampled one pickup for this line the hydra has neck and bridge if you havnt figured it out yet
Great sound!
I assume these articulations are easy to put into the BRSO Articulate (a free software developed by Blake Robinson for FL Studio) and use like I'm using all my orchestral plugins ?
Im a bit late but yea it works well XD
Hey guys, really helpful series here. I've upgraded to S3 Jupiter from the original S2. I'm struggling to get a hang of the new engine though with the keyswitches and was wondering if there was any resources/info on adapting the new engine using the old style velocity method. I just find the original way is a little more in keeping with how I write.
Hope you can help
Have you checked out the TACT tab? Let's say you want to put Mutes on vel 1-69. It's really easy. Just go to the Mute articulation, set the keyswitch (KEY) the same one as sustain (C-1 I believe). Then, in the second 'row' below the KEY rule, select VEL from the dropdown. Set that to 1-69 for mutes. For sustain, change that to something like 70-109. 110+ is usually a good range for the Rake articulation to come in,
@@ImpactSoundworksLLC i have and thank you for responding. I saw the TACT snapshots on one of your videos (embarrassing). I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong to be honest but I can't get the same bite and aggression with the palm mutes that I can from S2. I'm also getting some hanging notes too It's frustrating because I really want to use S3 and was going to get Rogue (I have Jupiter) but I don't want the same issues I'm experiencing currently. I appreciate your response though 👍
@@PaulOwenMusic In the snapshot menu, try switching to "_Styles -> Metal Rhythm". This matches the palm mutes exactly how they were in Shreddage 2. Of course, the velocity range will be slightly different so the exact same MIDI won't necessarily play back the same way (this is because we made the mapping more consistent per key) but the audio is otherwise identical.
You definitely should not be getting hanging notes, we aren't aware of any bugs with that. Can you reach out to our support and send a MIDI file where this reliably happens, along with a saved NKI of the settings you used?
@@ImpactSoundworksLLC this is great, thank you very much. I'll check it out and hopefully it'll be sorted.
As for the hanging note, I'll start a new project and see if it happens again. If so, then I'll contact support with your suggestions.
As always, it's great that you're on hand to help. I've been a supporter of ISW since Acoustic Revolutions 1 and I'm always impressed with your support and professionalism 👍👍👍
Demo spectacular, but in real, the sofware doesn't sounds like that at all. Crappy palm mute sounding whatever the settings, articulation not in the same place on my keyboard (?)... Are you sure that you used that sofware for making this demo? Or Did you used some real guitares? If I'm wrong, you should explain better.
You can download the exact MIDIs and snapshots for everything displayed in the video. No trickery here. Just follow along what we're doing and you'll get great results.
@@ImpactSoundworksLLC I did it but the articulations doesn't even plays on the same place on the keyboard. And what about the settings? For example I try to make a long time slide (portamento) but the settings (time stretch) it's still a very short slide... We really nee a better tutorial for a better use of your product. I don't understand how you don't realize that the satisfaction ratio on your products would be much higher if you'd have a better after sale service... Sorry for my english, I'm french, not easy to explain technical issue in other language.
@@SimplyTheBest805 We're making these videos *because* we support our products, and want to show people 100% transparently how they are used. Use the provided files and you will get the exact same results, which you can then use to build your own template and techniques. We also have dedicated full-time support ready to answer your questions via email.
@@ImpactSoundworksLLC No I have to agree, by doing exactly what you say, by using the MIDI provided with the same settings, even by doubling the track with abyss as you said, it just sounds way worse than what you are showcasing here! Especially the palm mutes just don't sound as good as in the video!
@@the_Distortionist Feel free to contact our support - include exact MIDIs + snapshots you are using - and we're happy to troubleshoot with you.
A couple weeks later and I still can't trigger a slide through midi. If I use the mouse and trigger it by clicking on the articulation it works, but it won't work if I do it by midi. I don't know if this feature is fucked in FL Studio specifically. On the positive side I've learnt to do a lot in the same time span on my real guitar lol.
Ok now I'm getting places. I did a test by going through all the keys with midi, and while it says that slide is bound to F0 in reality it's triggered by F2.
Abyss doesn't seem to have a mute articulation at all. It has staccato, but that's still more melodic than percussive. Is the palm mute hiding somewhere?
Correct, it does not have a mute artic.
Is the a key or keys for rhythmic strumming? For example, the fast single note and power chord palm mutes shown at 1:46 in the video are not feasible to do by pressing a single key that quickly. Obviously, I can program everything in manually, but I figure there's a way to get those kinds of chuggy rhythms "live".
Yes there is a keyswitch right under the playable range that re-triggers the last played note. This allows you to do quick left/right hand chugging.
I've been a long time shreddage user and I'm having big time issues getting the quality wide stereo affect that shreddage two had when routing to multiple channels with Hydra. I don't see an option to route each guitar to multiple channels in the new UI. How can I route left and right guitars to different channel in kontakt this to multiple channels in Logic?
It's actually the same procedure as in Shreddage 2. You just create two instances of the patch in Kontakt, and route each instance to a different output in your host. Check out this link on the NI site that explains exactly how to do the routing for multiple instances (the difference is that w/ S3, you WANT everything on the same MIDI channel.)
support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/209558589-Using-KONTAKT-as-a-Multi-timbral-Instrument-in-Logic-Pro-X
1:42 where is this video on mixing techniques that you mentioned?
We haven't made it yet 😅
is there an image or something that just lists all the keyswitches? i find nothing looking through the manuals so i have no clue what note activates what
Click the Articulations tab, it shows all the articulation mapping there. You can change every articulation to anything you want; CC, velocity, keyswitch, etc
@@zirconst im having an issue with shreddage loading now it makes my fl studio run max cpu and breaks it
I'm thinking about it but I don't know if it will be worth it; anyone who has bought it, is it worth it?
Hey, when I load the MIDI files in my DAW (FL Studio) and go from the factory preset through the steps in the video, it still sounds completly different than in the video. For example the riffs sound very machine-gun like and the notes also sound shorter and the power chords are just a distorted mess. Did I miss anything?
Make sure you're using the settings noted in the titles of the MIDI files. They say exactly what settings / snapshots to use.
Can you play this with the maschine mikro?
Great video! I've just purchased Shreddage 3 Hydra, and have no idea how to use palm mutes... can someone please tell me how to do it?
Just play low velocities :)
@@zirconst thanks, man! In the meantime, after watching another video on this channel I found out how to do it. Dunno if it's the best approach, but it worked for me. I went to "articulations setup" tab, and specified a velocity range for each if the articulations. So I changed the velocity values in the midi editor, according to the articulations i wanted and everything was alright. :)
@@thulsa_doom What's the other video called? I've been trying to figure out how to palm mute all day...
@@Khansynth I'm not sure if it was this one but you can see it here at 08:47 : ruclips.net/video/2qAhygoQu7A/видео.html Basically you need to get to that screen which shows the articulation settings and specify a velocity range for each articulation. After that you just change the velocity values in the midi editor to get each corresponding articulation. :)
guys u doing amazing products! But where i can listen that cool background soundtrack from your video?
These riffs were made just for the video, so they're not full songs!
@@ImpactSoundworksLLC even song from intro part?
I'm only using a mouse and computer keyboard. Is there any way to do the articulation even if I'm not using a midi keyboard?
Yes, if you look at the example MIDIs you'll see exactly how each riff was done. You can write the MIDI notes and automation using mouse + keyboard.
@@ImpactSoundworksLLC Awesome, thank you!
Is there anyway to do legato slides while doing the sustained power chords
Some S3 libraries have powerchord slide recordings. Just use the [LEG] Slide articulation (mapped however you want) with powerchord sustains enabled.
@@ImpactSoundworksLLC awesome thanks for respomding I'm a huge fan of impact vsts
Shreddage has more articulation possibilities than Ample
But how do you write the riffs? I only know to use the piano roll from fl studio
You can write in the piano roll. Check out the MIDIs included in the video description. I use FL myself!
@@zirconst Yeah, i know i can write in the piano roll... But for example, how can I make an automation clip of the vibrato like in the video?
I can't pitch bend ?how to do?
Use the pitch bend controller on your MIDI keyboard, or write automation for it in your DAW.
For F saaaakes i just wanna know to make clean riffs, just the regular ass acoustic articulation damn it. cant find a tutorial nowhere
can i still do that on a 49 key midi?
Kayz, sure you can, but you will have to change the octave of your controller for an access to all keys. Not easy if you want to play live, but no problem if you compose the music in your DAW.
What DAW is that?
It's Logic
i've never seen a keyboard controller that has 128 keys on it as shown in the video to fully use other features. hmmm...
You don't need to use 128 keys to use the instrument. For the majority of people and uses, you don't need to use MOST keyswitches (and plus, you can re-assign articulations to midi CC or velocity.)
@@ImpactSoundworksLLC oh i see. thanks !
velocity doesnt work(
What do you mean?
@@zirconst i mean velocity doesnt work in piano roll, when i do my part
Sounds like WAY too much reverb on so many parts. Takes away from the quality of the sounds, most metal has very little reverb. When I hear the metal riffs dry it sounds so amazing then all that reverb kills it all.
Meh, plenty of hard stuff (especially the Djenty kind) is saturated with reverb. Not really a problem with this since you can always adjust the gear yourself - it's not like anyone requires you to slap reverb on it in the first place.
great tutorial - however I feel you are moving too fast. I'd love to be able to digest what you are talking about, if you'd only indulge in a slightly more relaxed manner of speech. Of course I understand you may have had time limits to adhere to. In every case, congratulations for the wonderful tutorial.
the harmonics feel dead. they don't ring at all.everything else is great
you can use something like ezmix to add FX which makes it sound better and hold a ring :)
that strum on poly was a big trap, wasted 1 hr to find out why it's not working. shouldn't be in the preset
This will be addressed in the defaults for future updates!
this is pretty incoherent. you ever see yngvie malmsteen try to teach guitar where he plays a lick at lightning speed then tells the novice to try? its like that....
im trying to learn how to use these *RETARDED* keyswitch shit
since im being *forced* to on the new shreddages that *DONT FUCKING WORK WITH MY MUSIC THAT USES OLDER SHREDDAGE. (WHY DID YOU GUYS DO THAT GODDAMN...)*
*IVE HAD THIS PRODUCT FOR OVER A YEAR AND HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO USE IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT WORK LIKE THE OLD SHREDDAGE.*
*AND I FEEL RIPPED OFF*
*ALSO I BOUGHT SHREDDAGE 2X YEARS AGO AND NOW WHEN I DOWNLOAD IT, I GET THE SHIT SOUNDING LEGACY VERSION THAT ISNT WHAT I ORIGNALLY BOUGHT (2X)*
maybe try reading the manual for a change, Jesus Christ it's not that complicated
@@minhuang8848 the shit still doesnt work right. IT NEVER HAS MANUAL OR NOT NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP OR REFUND ME
@@SirSquash lmao sure
@@minhuang8848 dude write something with shreddage 2, then replace the instrument with shreddage 3... See what happens. IT DOES NOT WORK. PERIOD.
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