So Asmongold tried FF14 (The Problem with Streaming MMO's)
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Creating content for RUclips is a job, it takes a certain skillset, writing, recording, editing, patience.
Livestreaming on Twitch is another job, and takes a different skill set, endurance, wit, and charisma.
Making videogame related content isn't just about enjoying the game, it's about entertaining the audience, and many, many people underestimate just how difficult it is, to enjoy a game for you, while streaming for others.
I very much enjoyed Asmongold streaming Final Fantasy 14, and I hope he continues, and I also hope he plays a secret character off stream, to fully experience the story without the pressure of an audience.
Thanks as usual to the Patreon supporters and Twitch subs for keeping the channel going :) 
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is nobody going to talk about how Josh's mug went from a cool pikachu mug, to a pikachu mug with a pikachu bathing in it, to a plush pikachu that's not even a mug?
Never picked up on the mug with bathing pikachu, but was wondering if the plushie was a trick to limit coffee/tea intake or just a troll.
@@xLuye limit coffee intake? SUCH HERESY
@@bobchelios9961 Some of us have to in order to have a snowflakes chance in hell of getting decent sleep
He probably recorded this video in multiple sittings.
...so I was not seeing things. Thanks God ! 😆
Any time he was in a cutscene or had dialogue, he put a large majority of his attention on reading the dialogue out loud or listening to the voices. In the case of reading, he masterfully holds attention by purposely mispronouncing things, asking obvious questions for people to spam answer in chat, etc. He's an absolute expert at this sort of thing and it shows.
Spot on. Asmon has a second YT channel for serious discussion and in-depth analysis using his real first name. He is very intelligent and intuitive. Asmongold is a character, and most definitely an entertainer.
@@TheSoliloquy what's the 2nd channel?
@@robdiddy55 Zackrawrr
@@robdiddy55 Channel is ZackRawrr. Cheers!
@@robdiddy55 Zackrawrr and he is streaming on it rn
I like that you explained why i don’t like streams in 90% of the Time.
Bunch of children. Stupid kids running around harassing the streamers. They just look like idiots.
@@Tailionis being stupid and being a child is 2 different things.
@@fredasd7017 those two unfortunately intermingle, so that's the point...
One of my favorite streamers is pint because he actively plays with people; its not about creating content to watch its about creating a community that can have fun in games together for him.
i suppose the inverse may be true. the smaller streamers might focus more on gameplay which should be entertaining. or the genre itself makes it difficult to split attention, like rhythm games maybe.
My Husband wanted to become a streamer ----until I told him exactly this. "Do you want to enjoy your games, or entertain a crowd?" Games aren't fun anymore when you make them a job/chore, an obligation.
Here’s a wild thought and hold on for this one.. you can do BOTH with some extra effort. I know.. shocking.
@@zogbogbean2464 some ppl can do both yes! But it's not for everyone. You have to take in consideration a lot of stuff, especially if you use gaming as a way to relax and unwind.
I did encouraged him to follow his dream, I was even the one to buy him a camera, and make him a pretty backdrop setup with shelves, games, figurines, and other gaming goodies! But he quickly realized that it wasn't for him. There was more gains than lost over him trying! But he simply realized that he would rather play with his friends, laugh, and not worry over being entertaining.
Truthfully, even an obsessive hobby with outstanding results or amazing items/articles/etc. becomes absolutely no fun at all as soon as money becomes the goal.
I would say if someone does love both, give it a try. But do research and watch the others. Constantly try to improve it, and before you know it, magic can happen. Research into the tech too. Especially the fun things like extensions and bots. Having someone that knows how in your audience is a good way to gather support from those that are known to support you through their interaction with you.
It’s a risk, but carefully managed, it can be done well.
@@Kayenne54 I would add that money shouldn’t be the goal. The big guys got there for many reasons. The biggest one is luck, making up the vast majority of the reason pie, then followed by all the other reasons with their small slices. Convince me otherwise.
I'm imagining Josh Strife Hayes teaching and just a wall of mugs behind him each one symbolizing a different topic
A great character concept.
Something to put in your rpg games
He could also have a wall of mug-sized plushies.
@Spencer_TR i did classroom lessons for several subject too, mainly drama :)
@Spencer_TR even more reason to have an eccentric teaching method.
Character concept. A martial arts monk. Has a room full of mugs.
Everyday he thinks about the lesson he wants to impart to his students and chooses the mug that fits.
Every day the students ask about the mug and where it came from.
That's where he tells a story.
Hell this could be an anthology tv show.
@Spencer_TR So effectively he got paid to teach people how to punch each others' mugs...? :D
If Asmon does stop for 7 seconds his eyebrows will tell you a story on their own
My mind cannot understand it’s Asmon on his second channel because his eyebrows don’t move there.
I god damn laughed for real at your comment. Good job sir.
My mom asked what was going on with his eyebrows and I responded with, “So there’s this theory that Asmongold is actually just a set of sentient eyebrows and when they move it’s because they’ve taken over his mouth.”
Yeah, if you don't force yourself to not watch them ... they can make you miss half of what he says, lol.
Asmon*
Speaking for myself as a viewer, I *hate* it when streamers don't pay attention to the game. It's maddening. I would rather they just turned chat off completely.
I acknowledge that mine is a minority view, but damned if I understand why.
@@aggromemnon335 But then...why stream?
Edited content is better at being entertaining (as all the boring parts of the content creators playthrough is cut out) and being informative (because all of the non-useful parts are cut out). Streaming live is straight up inferior to edited content EXCEPT for the fact creators can interact with their audience.
I agree fully with what you're saying however. But the honest truth is that speaking and playing with their followers is literally the only positive of live, unfiltered content. Thus, I think streaming is fine if the purpose of it is for that interaction with their audience. Discussion streams work, as do games that are meant to be livestreamed with an audience. But, as you say, this doesn't work. Or at least the content is suffering as a result of it.
@@pagatryx5451 Yes! Edited videos are far superior to streams, when it comes to pure content. And, ironically, the more popular a streamer gets the less interaction there can actually be. So streams are only good in the middle ground where there's enough viewers to not be awkward but not so many that one can actually follow chat.
They're streaming. It's not the same as 'gaming'.
@@twelvesevven4678 and like I said, I am completely boggled as to why people prefer watching someone be an “entertaining” scatterbrain to watching someone play a game well.
Maybe it’s a generational thing.
@@tophergerkey No, I'm the same. One RUclipsr/Twitch streamer I watch plays Dota, which is a Moba like League. He does a lot of silly build videos, makes fun of himself and others, but since he's actually an ex-pro player, the best videos, in my opinion, of his are the ones where he's outmatched and pulls out all the stops for the victory even when his team is drastically lower skilled than the opponents. Different people, different streaming styles I guess.
"Let's start with the idea of you playing a game for fun" how horrifying a thought. I must see my therapist.
lmao people nowadays dont know how to do that
I have started to think "hardcore" gamer means somebody who can play a game without enjoying it.
@@ristopaasivirta9770 It is not only hardcore gamers, it is people who have integrated gaming as a large part of their lives for no real reason. I have 709 hours on Hearts of Iron 4, and I think I enjoyed 0 of those, and so have my friends, in most games. The games have become chores, simple lists of actions that we feel must be done, and we can't quit.
@@elythas128 Yea I've had similar experiences with ARPGs. Feels like I have to try all the new content every league/patch even tho I'm not enjoying it.
Sounds like MOBA players.
he thought we wouldn’t notice the pikachu swap 😂
Now that you mention it.... Deep in my head near the end of video, I was like... why the mug look fluffier 😂
Pikachu Mug, to Pikachu Mug(with Pikachu inside), to Fuzzy Pikachu
Yeah, I expected him to ask about how many of us noticed ,as well.
Bro i srsly got closer to the screen to double check
which of the 3 are you talking about
Thought I was going crazy lol
Ah, yes, the age-old tactic of enjoying a streamer so much that you ruin his gameplay experience by crowding him with 'senpai, notice me' antics. Never gets old.
Ironic...most youtubers' entire existence is "notice me".
Exactly. It honestly doesn’t make a lot of sense. If you want a streamer to like the game you play, let him or her enjoy it. Of course you should watch the stream and engage, but bombarding them isn’t a good way to keep them coming back.
It would be ironic if Asmon plays a few more times and the same thing happens so he’s like F it I’m done with this game.
@@Thelaretus exactly, fans of the game are just excited that thier game is getting a large amount of attention from someone they probably watch.
@@mVic8 he had 200k viewers, some are just there for the occasion. The people following ingame are the same people who photobomb sports broadcasts and the like, they just want to be on TV.
@@Thelaretus A month later we can thankfully say that you were right :)
Though his streams still get 100k+ viewers, the idea of following him around has thankfully died down a ton (though I think the fact that people actually did get punished for harassment helped speed that development up quite a bit 🤭).
This is a great Streamer 101 class. I imagine this contributes to why a lot of the big streamers are pros at the game that they play. They have a mastery of the game enough to where they don't have to spend as much time focusing on the game because they already know what is happening. Thus they can afford to direct attention to the audience and still provide insightful info about the game. Despite not really paying attention to the game at all.
Other times they pay no attention to chat and just focus on the gameplay making it the center of attention. For instance think about Faker from League of Legends. His stream has 0 chat interaction yet he can mantain over 30k people watching him purely play the game almost in total silence because his skills are entertaining enough.
Of course it varies from audience to audience since you have to hit your niche but I think it represents the point I'm trying to put across.
it's the speedrunners making records that really blow my mind. how they often chat with a stream while playing to the current iteration of perfection is mind bogglingly difficult.
yea my response to people who want to get good at twitch streaming is that you either have to be one of the top players, or you have to have a good personality, and preferably both. If you are good enough at a competitive game (csgo, valorant, lol, dota, rocket league, osu, or many others) you don't really need to have chat interaction. examples from osu since I know it well, cookiezi, whitecat, mrekk, and vaxei are all so good that they basically don't have to talk and they still get massive viewership numbers. I don't think I have ever even heard vaxei's voice and he still gets thousands of viewers. BTMC on the other hand is good enough that people like watching and his personality gets him his viewers. he's only top 100 rather then being top 5 but he entertaining enough that people are interested.
Oh another example of this is JSH's stream. The few times I have watched it when he is playing rs3, I am not even watching the gameplay. I am watching for his voice. He is hilarious, and has great chat interaction. On top of this while the gameplay typically isn't funny during one of his streams he just kept messing around with the chat overlay he had for that stream and his webcam and it was great. This exact thing is why I am so excited for him and Callum's podcast. It isn't what he does, but what he says that keeps me in his stream.
@@Hero-do7wm Yeah i remember Dyrus from back when LoL was first starting out. He was the Top laner for TSM. He never spoke and the dude was getting like 7k-10k viewers all the time cause people were watching him to learn how to play.
@@jeffhughes7104 yea i have always questioned why not all pro players stream their non team games cause its basically free money even if you turn off your chat and don't even look at it.
I make content for Mtg. We get a lot of comments about misplays. People don't realize how much mental resources are used to play a competitive game, comment about the game itself, AND make it entertaining.
Asmongold will do a reaction video about this reaction video, it's a reaction video inception
Hpefully he will be busy enjoying FFXIV
That is just how streamers roll.
Well at this point we might just call it a conversation
@@araposkulo oh he is.
Until strife heyes reacts to bo burnham reacting to hasan reacting to asmon reacting to xqc reacting to soda reacting to this we certainly can go deeper into reactception
"this is why if something interesting doesn't happen for seven seconds..."
YT: *ad time, babey*
I feel like that’s the point.
I thought my phone when to sleep, or RUclips crashed, when the ad ended.
Happened to me too!
yeah
To add yet another perspective: Had a playpal in ffxiv, played occasionally with this person for many years. They decided to try their hand at streaming. Our playtime went from us, as a group doing things together, into becoming props for their stream. We were at the beck and call of their viewers. We could no longer just decide on something to do and just do it. Now we grouped up and waited while they and their viewers decided what we'd do that evening. If we were doing group content, there was a good chance that our heals would disappear while they engaged with their viewers. It killed all the fun for us as players. Eventually I had enough and put them on the blacklist and that was that.
This is why people shouldn't have the power to broadcast. They don't what to do with it for the most part. Tv doesn't stop because an audience member wants to do something else, there's a narrative set to what will happen in the course of a show.
I used to stream FF alot and grew quite big in the early days, but it burnt me out, I wasn't playing to what the crowd wanted but just answering specific demands kills alot of the fun and wonder. I got burnt out because I HAD to play, but not for me, get up early and sleep late , rinse and repeat, killed my quality of life for a period of time. But as an artist as well I couldn't exercise my skill without viewership tanking, streaming won't last forever and who knows what happens when it's no longer the in thing to do.
And this is why I avoid any group, be it a static or a PF, with streamers. They have made a willful choice to divert the majority of their attention away from the game, and in any kind of remotely focus-demanding content, they will end up causing a lot of wipes, making a lot of mistakes and ultimately wasting 7 other people's time. That's a big no-no.
I've been trying to work out for months why my streams never seem to do so well, and this video hit the nail on the head perfectly. I spend more of my time trying to enjoy the game than reading chat. It also explains why my VRChat streams did better than my Sea Of Thieves ones, because I actually spend more time talking with the audience in VRChat, whereas in Sea Of Thieves, I'm too focused on the gameplay. The only problem is, I'm not the most social person, so trying to interact with people for long periods of time is very draining. Not to say that I don't try, but it's a hurdle I'm struggling to get over
Maybe try to find a way to make interacting with your audience part of the gameplay?
Like lets say you're playing a game with choices you can let whoever is there choose what you go for, whether you killed someone or let them live.
I don't watch streams often so that might not make sense lol
I believe you've discovered that streaming isn't for you.
Yeah, that's something I'm going to have to work on as well.
The struggle of streaming, the boundless charisma, I'm not sure if I could do it 😅
@@dannyisdaddy8098 yea, DougDoug does this perfectally, twitch chat is the big part of his streams, even when chat doesnt play the game directally
The player on the whale mount griefing Asmon got a 9 day suspension lol
What about the naked catboy that would jump up and down in front of his face?
@@lauraportillo7575 That doesn't completely obstruct your view and make clicking objects difficult. Obnoxious yes, actively ruining the ability to play like the whale, no. The whale has a MASSIVE hitbox is the problem. So even if you hold down X which makes selecting other players impossible, it's still obstructing your vision. The jackass bouncing in front of him becomes a non-entity if you do this.
Square Enix should make a public display of permabanning these assholes. Like him or not, Asmongold was doing the biggest stream in FFXIV history if I'm not mistaken. The people harassing him were publicly showing 200,000 people that new players are not welcome in the game. They DEFINITELY cost SE tons of money with their actions, and heads need to roll.
Good….everyone that took part in that should catch a temporary ban.
And I say that as someone that’s been playing since ARR beta.
@@smward87 He was literally a whale on his whale and suffered the consequences of being banned. I love the fact the expensive cash shop mounts are literal whales, so self aware.
The Scars on his face are from the many Cat brothels not fighting:)
popotoes, that offended by him (not)
what
I applaud Asmongold for his patience and stamina (I think he played 10+ hours of FF in one sitting, not sure though). He is very entertaining and he does well at his niche.
Well, he just basically had a nervous breakdown over the game. Maybe not as much patience and stamina as we thought.
Re: 7 seconds. I think this depends on the type of audience you're cultivating. Sometimes, if someone talks too much, I will click off. I don't know how people read random bits of chat for hours on end without taking a breath. Also, it never sits well when I see people making fun of a streamer for not doing something optimally. It just seems very elitist.
That's why he said the average viewer. The 'big' streamers are going to cater to what gets them the most views - which means catering to the lowest common denominator. They're also the type of streamer who turns off a very large portion of us, but fortunately there are plenty of streamers who do just fine who cater to the rest of us.
This is why any streamer giving advice on how to stream is actually just lying. People will watch whatever they want. There is literally no "right and wrong" way to stream. And I would argue most probably are being elitist. Always feels like this attitude of "I have so many viewers, so I know what I am talking about." When, personally, I'd say the people who have done it for years with no growth have far more valuable insight to give.
Over reading chat is a thing. You want to talk *to* chat but not with them. You can remark on things said in chat but not have full discussions with a chatter.
I don't watch streamers but I do check out "First time playing" vids for games I love. I can not stand the ones that are talking to the camera so much about random shit that they miss plot points and then go "Wait? What's going on? Why is this happening?"
Like I'm watching to see your reaction to the GAME and the STORY. I don't care what you did last Saturday night out with the boys. I want to see how you react to the critical moments of the plot. I want to watch you experience the game.
Actually Josh when the screen went black I was paying closer attention. Thinking "did something go wrong?".
First thing I did was check if video was still playing.
I was half anticipating a jumpscare after checking the video was still playing xD
I got an ad at that very moment.
Me too! It happened RIGHT AFTER AN AD played for me
@@gcook725 Oh my goodness xD that had to be a startle for sure
@@atrocious7766 Same.
Was slightly expecting the final scene to have been Josh in a Pikachu outfit drinking from a mug with his face on it... anyone else?
I was thinking that too
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lol That would have been pro.
Also, when you did the seven second black screen, I actually stopped playing WoW on my other monitor to pay attention to the video, :P
Every point you make is the reason I dislike streaming.
I mean i kind of expected it. I feel like its why he says he doesnt care about story games. Not because he doesnt personally like them, but because the audience doesnt care. Well, most of the audience.
hmmm... i guess ya are right
depends of what audience you gather on the way. Content change can criple a lot a chanell when you are doind content only on one thing, thats a reason why creators are makeing multiple accounts for diffrent video types, its annoying for a viewer that is interested but sadly a necessity
"If something interesting doesn't happen for seven seconds …" _screen goes black for seven (eight?) seconds_
That's good. That's really good.
Also, the mug joke was hilarious. :D
I wonder if the mug joke was there to subconsciously test our own attention spans.
actualy i was playing a game and suddenly i got destracted by a black screen apprearing
I got the add break right after he said "seconds". Then the screen went black and i thought the video isn`t loading.^^
It threw me off because it happen at the same time as the ad. So i thought the ad broke my video
@@zedrico8577 Same!
That is why i can't never be a streamer, i'm extremely quiet and i normally get too focus in the game.
Some people can like that. You wont have millions but you can still have a following.
Personally why I like Sims streamers, its a game that inherently needs commentary so it counters Joshs discussion here. Part of the game is that fun of talking out loud and commenting and whats happening the game.
Back when I streamed Full Time as a partnered broadcaster I actually had to take days off to play games I like. This was even more prominent with RPGs because the story is so important and streaming it was no fun. Everyone back seating and providing their opinions ruins it.
I could imagine Asmongold taking a few days off to just play FF14 to see if he really does like it. That is if he really wants to take it on as a new main game.
Same difference with movie reaction RUclipsrs ... people want to see how they react to the scenes. They need to keep talking because, quite frankly, watching someone silently watch a movie would be about as exciting as watching the grass grow ...
Hell, it's looked down upon, since your essentially taking someone else's content and adding your face on it.
Yeah, most reaction channels worth their salt do their best to make it as transformative as possible or else they're infringing copyright. And then you get people like Suzy Lu who rip anime and movies in their entirety with a few shocked expressions sprinkled in.
The funny thing about that is you can also talk to much. I was watching a reaction to a pivotal story moment in FFXIV and the reactor literally spoke the entire time, and it made me wonder if he was even paying attention or had any kind of investment whatsoever to what was happening. A good reaction in my opinion is equal parts having an expressive face and talking enough to be engaging but not so much that it makes you question just how much they are actually paying attention.
It's like watching a film with someone in your living room, except they don't know your there and you don't really talk.
@@Xegethra this (kinda) already happened to me once. I think I was 11 years old, my friend had invited me to watch a movie with him.
his father was there and decided to watch with us, so we didn't talk...
were the most tense 2 hours of that time
I find people that "invade" some streamer's gameplay session to be really sad. Craving so much for attention, they they will do anything they can to make sure that they appear on screen at all costs. Or doing so because they think it's really funny (even if it's not).
I play SWTOR so there aren't content creators that are big enough to warrant this kind of "buzz" and I very rarely see this happening, but even then, whenever said content creators are not making a video (like recording some gameplay footage for new items and story/endgame content being added to the game), they usually play on an alt account that nobody knows about.
Same for developers playing "undercover" whenever they just want to enjoy their own game or are doing some bug testing on the live servers that they cannot replicate on their own private/offline server for whatever reason.
I don't like Asmongold as a content creator and I don't enjoy his videos/streams, but this is just sad.
"I find people that "invade" some streamer's gameplay session to be really sad. Craving so much for attention, they they will do anything they can to make sure that they appear on screen at all costs. Or doing so because they think it's really funny (even if it's not).
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That is... not correct. It's purely a scaling issue where you have someone with more than hundreds of times the number of people that most others have.
You can take a look at the recordings from Nixxiom's first couple thousand people stream to see that.
People were hanging around, quite a lot even, but if you snapshotted a random moment, there's a good chance you wouldn't know, as outside of sudden camera movements, points when he stopped to interact (Like where he told everyone to get on their coolest mount while waiting for the third dungeon queue) and camera reset moments, for the most part the people following him were hanging out off screen rather than trying to stay on it, and when gifting him things, typically ran offscreen again pretty quickly.
@@Aquilenne Whatever, they still think they are participating when they are really just interfering and slowing everything down to a crawl. They are still sycophants.
There's also the third type: excited puppies who think that they're helping, and want the stream to recognize that.
@@futonrevolution7671 that's still a sycophant.
@@Aquilenne We aren't talking about those streams. We are talking about the one that was ruined by sycophants. People who are seeking attention from their celebrity and just won't stop. Doesn't matter if it's just an Asmongold problem, this is about the Asmongold stream.
And yeah, of course they made their own little community, that's what sycophants do. They attach themselves to a celebrity and if you ever wanna know what they are about they just point to the celebrity and say "that's us." Their lives are just vicarious event after vicarious event stealing attention. But Asmon wants it that way, that's how he gets donations by letting them have their name on the screen for their 15 seconds of fame.
My attention span is so short I read most of the comments while watching the video. I oftentimes play videos at faster rates just to speed through more. It is sadly hard to catch my full attention without puzzles and games.
You had to pull out Mordin like that, years of therapy down the drain.
You know, through a complex series of events, you *can* save him.
@@TaiidanOnslaught and lose wrex in the process? heck no!
So, like, I used this video as backround noise while playing Rimworld, and when you went quiet that's the moment I decided to pause my game and see if I was missing anything.
rimworld?? a man of my own heart
I find it soooo weird to follow people around like idols...
It's a weird, weird phenomenon. In the last dozen or so years the worldwide zeitgeist has gravitated towards the worship of cults of personality and honestly that's what big RUclips/Twitch streamers become. You can see it in modern politics, entertainment and even game development (lookin' right at you, Earth2...) There's this urge towards deifying popularity, swearing unholy and unquestioning allegiance to the whims of another human being and abdicating common sense, willpower and individualism to the will of another person. It's arising tide of madness, really.
hell yeah bruv
It's weird to people who are being followed too
Most of you are seriously guilty of this
They basically just want attention and want to feel like they're a part of something. Well, that's the nice way of putting it, anyways.
The whole 7 seconds bit was messed up by RUclips for me. They dropped an ad right at the beginning of those seconds...
to be honest, asmongold narrating the story made the ARR alot more entertaining than it is if you played alone. also his memory is absolutely top notch.
I've never been so entertained by 7 seconds of absolutely nothing
yeah wtf, i was so focused on those 7 seconds of nothing XD
That seven seconds felt quite long but I realize now that it actually involved his audience (us) in an experiment, or what do you call those try this at home type things, regardless that was actually a nice way to engage the audience in the video by having them participate in it with that sort of 'activity' I suppose.
amouranth mastered it with the stream where she sleeps for several hours.
You mean every single one of her streams?
Ice Poseidon did it first!
There is also a difference between streaming as a hobby and for fun and streaming to make a living. If You just stream for fun and as a hobby You can focus more on the games and the games You enjoy.
Hey Josh, some of what you say here I get. But it also depends on who is the audience and why they watch. No one watches, for example, a Dr. Disrespect stream expecting a ton of audience interaction. If he is going to play at the high levels, the audience understands the need to be almost 100% focused on the game. I think it rly has to do with audience as well as genre and general goal of the streamer.
Agreed, shroud is in the same space, for "skilled" streamers, their show is their skill in one game, so the audience expect to be entertained by the performance and less interactions. Asmongold is more on the "entertainer" category where the show relies on his persona at any given moment.
@@gacktdirge17 Yeah Shroud himself is about as entertaining as eating paint chips. It is 1000% his skill that makes people watch him.
100% agreed
There's also asmr or music streamers or even just chill video game streamers that make thier revenue that way
It's pretty high risk though, you are putting all your eggs in one basket. Not only are you severely limiting your audience to other players of that game but you are betting your income on remaining at the 1% elite level of that game. Which we know from a decade of Esports that 'endurance' is pretty much impossible. Younger pros come in every day and take out massive titans that have dominated the scenes for years. better reaction times, better info retention, pattern recognition, problem solving, less entrenched habits. The vast vast vast vast vast majority of Esport professionals are irrelevant by the time they hit 30. Entertainers will be sitting pretty doing react comment for another decade easy.
"if something interesting doesn't happen for 7 seconds..." BAM febreeze commercial 🤣🤣🤣
Asmon was ready for it and he seems to enjoy the game anyways.
Thankfully Asmon is a very good sport about it and understands who he is and how popular he is.
Don't know for the life of me why he wouldn't have just not advertised his server/character name for a while
@@SinHurr It's content. People want to see him / troll him / try to aid him. And as the sub numbers show it was probably worth it.
@@relogos An aimless horde so large areas straight up won't load isn't the kind of content, or even situation, I'd want to be associated with, but I'm an old man, so there's that.
Sub numbers might be good, but at the cost of him being able to have an honest crack at the game? He's one of the most popular WoW guys so I assume he's not hurting for cash, but, like, I don't know.
Maybe he'll get a shot off stream or something. Just hate to have the experience so painfully distorted for him.
About halfway through I got tired of Josh repeating each point at least 3 times and stopped watching. He needs to have more to say in order to his the 15 mark without constant repetition.
Agreed. I just watched a couple of his vids back to back, and he does this a lot. His points are good and clearly explained, but the main thesis is repeated ad nauseum.
He mentioned in a different thread on this video that he did classroom lessons. And there you're taught to repeat stuff like that, because people are stupid.
(And, more charitably, people realistically aren't paying 100% attention 100% of the time, so getting something across reliably means saying it multiple times.)
@@pfeilspitze I do understand why he does that, but the repetition is pretty noticeable for people who are willing to watch videos over 15 minutes long without taking a break.
Repetition legitimizes.
*jazz lick*
this is why "streamer mode" in games nowadays should be a must. people seeing your username in openworld games will be a dead giveaway for people to swarm them, knowing mini map positions in tactical games will cause easier stream sniping, and I could go on but you catch my drift.
The thing is you can't really have a streamer mode in FFXIV if you want to be with other players as well.
Because it s the same areas that are streamed and that every person with a big a*s mount know
Thankfully going off Reddit, it seems GMs in FF14 were taking action to ban some of the worst offenders, they got 9 day suspensions. Hopefully that deters people trying trying this shit again when Asmon streams in the future.
Poor Asmongold.... caught between 3 communities, WoW, FF14, and his own Twitch chat. Hopefully he can still find enjoyment in FF14 when he's allowed. : 3
@@Thelaretus damn not osrs?
@@Thelaretus Thats not happening. Hes not gonna get into either of those lmao
I think he’ll be fine. He said he likes the game so far and will be going for max level. He also said he will do side quests offline when he can so I don’t think he will be as hindered during those times.
Don't worry, Blizzard's lead manager did something so stupid recently, I wouldn't be surprised Asmongold quits playing WoW.
@@onomatopoeia7505 What he do? I like me some Blizzard drama.
The mug swap had me laughing out loud. xD
It was a subtle build and so effective!
This was actually a very interesting breakdown of how things work. Something so apparent but so well hidden. Lot of factors I never thought about before.
I bet Asmongold's FFXIV stream will be studied by people in the future. Dude managed to make ARR and the first dungeon of FF super entertaining. Literally didn't notice less than 1 minute of dead air for 6 hours. It's nuts to be able to do that and do it successfully.
THIS. So much this. Asmon can be flamed and hated for many things but the guy is an entertainer first and foremost. You don't need to like him but whether you hate or love him (or something in between), he will command your attention either way. He surprised everyone by giving the game a fair chance and just enjoying it wholeheartedly. The snide remarks and ridicule is just part of his character Asmongold. You could see that Zack himself was having fun.
he was super entertaining, like, even doing the novice training content i was like "i get that you are just doing this for entertainment purposes, but cmon man, it's just 2 mobs one and a time xD" but still found it absolutely hilarious to listen to him commentating on it like it was WoW Arena's lol
The dude's good at what he does, but, in fairness, I think just the fact that he has the size of audience he does goes a long way toward eliminating dead space. If there's nothing worth commenting on in-game at the moment, chat is almost assuredly spamming something anyway and he can interact with that instead.
@@Ventorath i mean yeah that certainly helps, especially in 14 when he was getting upwards of 200k viewers up from his usual 20k
I see a makoto enjoyer
This is why we can't have nice things.
I knew this would happen but held out hope maybe the internet could avoid bombing his stream from the word "Go"
almost all his streams he is either in dungeons and cant be bombed or thousands of monkeys bombing him(or he bombing them). its inevitable. He shouldn't be showing what server he is on, so he would enjoy some privacy for a little bit %)
my biggest concern is stupid anf toxic part of ffxiv community, if i remember he already stepped in their nest long ago (for having opinion)
This is why Colorado has no fans, nothing interesting ever happens.
Unfortunately, you combine one of the most famous streamers on Twitch with one of the most popular MMOs in existence, and you're going to get cancerous levels of spam in game. It's just the way it is. Same thing would happen to Ninja if he did it, or xQc, or even a popular Vtuber like Nyanners or Ironmouse.
@@minortoterona2947 "my biggest concern is stupid anf toxic part of ffxiv community" - You mean his fans and former fanatic wow players?
@@WillowGreenheart found the toxic FFXIV player.
*screen goes black for seven seconds*
Me: "looks back at main screen"
I literally had the opposite as described... I was looking elsewhere while this video was playing and when the screen turned black, I looked back thinking something broke :^)
And this is why youtube videos are „easier“ to make, you have all the time in the world, and can edit out long pauses if necessary, you combine all the entertaining parts into one continuous entertainment loop, no pause.
0:57 you said Limsa Lominsa but my brain processed it as Lisa Lomasa
I knew you would make a video about this. Looking forward to it!
Asmongold got followed, spammed with friend request, targeted for harrassment by a "Gender Expert"and called an asshole by a WoW dev.... yet he was respectful in game, his chat was supportive of him and he seemed to have a decent time. Let the man play his Weeb mmo!
I thought the "this guy is an asshole" was referred to the gender expert
@@dafire9634 i think the "gender expert" is a femaloid tho
I've never watched asmon, but I've heard a lot of players on ff call him an asshole too, is there a particular reason or it is just snowflakes being snowflakes?
@@TheProstum lmao, most of ff is a "gender expert". So many snowflakes on xiv.
That whole "not being able to actually take your time to play the game" aspect of streaming also happens to me in groups and raids in most MMOs. I have to keep up with the other players. Don't have time to read quests or point my stats. Don't have time to collect things. Sometimes I find myself crafting as I run if possible.
@@aggromemnon335 I used to play Age of Conan all the time back in the day. I actually like the open world that comes after the tortage tutorial. I also like Star Wars Galaxies for the same reason. I play the Legends version. Neither game holds your hand, you get dropped into a big world full of things to do. You just have to go find them. I can spend years in them.
Even in the beginner dungeons, I'm having a bit of overwhelm trying to figure out what that flash bang means, where is this or that coming from, and now someone in party is chatting at me and I have to stop and text...above all that I'd like to say I actually ENJOYED Asmongold's slowed down, wait let's look at this stuff, trip through an early dungeon. I actually learnt more about that dungeon on his stream, and more about what each job was doing, than any other YT video on it (which I did after the darn thing, not before, but before, I wasn't actually expecting it lol - it was all nicey nicey then go, here's your dungeon move along run panic Oh Did We Kill The Boss and where has everyone gone???). I've always hated dungeons in other MMO's because everyone screams through them and I rarely get better at them because of that.
@@aggromemnon335 These days I kinda think the same way, but only because all that number balancing / crunching drained all the fun out of playing these games. It's when you just go out on your own and make your own adventure without caring about having the best of everything that the heart of the game returns. I used to be a raider in EQ2. Once the raid guild disbanded I was kinda relieved because I was free. I knew I could quit any time but I was one of few healers. lol
I've seen two Twitch Streamers burn out, due to the pressure they put on themself.
Just like with any other job, hobby, or any activity. If you keep pushing yourself too hard then burnout is a matter of time. Treat the things you do like a marathon, not a sprint. If you want to last until the end or at least as long as possible, don't exhaust yourself at the very start.
I've seen asmongold burn out twice so far lmao.
One of the stream sniper just got 9 day ban on ffxiv. I hope more of them get baned soon.
I don't watch live streams much, and even when I do, it's often replays of them, not the _actual_ live version. I prefer things on my own time. That said, one of my favorite stream series was Outside Xtra's playthrough of Dark Souls, in which Ellen actually played the game (for the first time), and Luke would coach her through it, and also handle the chat. That was a great balance, because she could focus on the game, he could focus on the community, and they could interact to fill the air.
I do like the paired creators. There's a youtube channel like this too. One person showing their progress in game, and another asking questions and making comments. It just makes videos more engaging.
I think a notable exception to this that I've noticed is specifically in Speedruns. I watch a lot of GDQ and usually the streamer or the couch or both is doing a lot of the commentary/entertaining but it's not uncommon when the speedrunner to do an intense/precise section for the couch or the streamer to let the audience know to everyone should be quiet for a bit
Surprised they don't have a "make invisible to other players" option
They don't have that but they have a button to not target them x I think
Great points about entertainment value of streams and engagement. A relatively large tarkov streamer named Smoke has mastered the art of building tension and telling a story through gameplay without pushing engagement. Really a whole different type of stream from most - very entertaining despite him not talking as much as most streamers
Tarkov is one of those that I believe having an audience enhances it for many. I do know I enjoy screen sharing in discord with friends even if we are both playing solo stuff.
I remember the day he joined FFXIV. My home server is in the same Data Center. Players hoping to escape the madness on his server came over to ours and it bumped up the queue noticeably. I'd love to see my favorite Vtubers play FFXIV, but I'm worried about the players, fans and non-fans, being a pain in the ass and ruining the experience for the viewers and streamer.
I really enjoy the way Jesse Cox streams. It feels like a good balance of interaction and him actually enjoying the game.
You can’t trick me, Josh. I saw that pikachu switch up. 👀
I never played wow, but started watching asmon vods. I don't understand why people hate on him so much. It made me sad to watch the dude having to ignore all the annoying people around him, just to try to have some fun.
Personally I’m not the biggest fan (not my cup of tea). But holy shit his twitch chat is a fucking garbage fire. That chat made me terrified to ever watch a stream on twitch.
his "asmongold" character used to be much more pronounced. Nowadays he's found a nice balance but he used to lean into his character alot more and people just can't give others a second chance on the internet so they still hate the guy for 1 random clip they seen 5 years ago
@@SonicSwifter let's be honest, most of them probably hasn't even seen said clip. They hate on him because everyone else hates on him or because he is famous. His toxic fans don't help either.
@@xanmal7042 every fanbase has toxic fans.
Streamers tend to attract some of the most toxic members of a community and if the streamer isn't praising the bajebus out of the game they'll lash out.
Asmon have though a more asshole attitude which he will admit and might cause more problems. But I'm not bothered by it at all when I listen to him.
It's true. I'm an educator as well and the #1 career goal I hear from my students is "Yoo-too-bah" (I work in Japanese public schools)... Off topic, I wish I had a Floof like yours. Doggos (or cats, sugar gliders, ferrets, etc, etc) are prohibitively expensive here even assuming your landlords are ok with you having one, which they usually aren't. So I'm fairly envious. That's such a cute dog! >_
> Omega server
I should totally come over, I am on Spriggan, just around the corner then ;)
thought it would happen but thankfully the 2nd stream wasn't bad and more importantly he seems to enjoy the game, i am enjoying watching the streams and I'm not really a Asmongold fan
Yeah, the first day was a big "event" to a lot of people, even if Asmongold didn't want it to be. It's silly, but I think -most- of those people got it out of their system on day 1.
@@Ventorath Oh, he definitely wanted it to be. The buildup, tease, date announcement were all masterful advertisements for an occasion.
"Uh c'mon guys contributions are pretty slow tonight, I don't think y'all like this game *snort*"
Oh nooo dsp playing ffxiv
LMAOOOO
The pikachu switch made me laugh way more than it should have.
Question is how many different Pikachu's were in the video? XD
Brilliant video, and I remember doing this when I was a streamer. I had to switch to YT vids instead due to RL issues making time reliability impossible, and even there your video makes an excellent point. You might not be directly relating to a live audience, but you still have to add entertainment to the mere gameplay. Whether it's playing "in character" and making your character interesting, talking to the characters in the game, adding commentary on mechanics etc, you need to make the video MORE than just gameplay. That's why a top gamer can still make boring videos and streams while a low-quality gamer can have you rolling or getting excited just by narrating well. For me, I accept it's a skill I'm learning and have no perfected by a long way yet. Still, I appreciate this video. Nailed it!
this is why I think that for youtubers and streamers in orther to give a true "review" on a MMO they should create hidden account and play it outside the stream otherwise it will never be a true new player experience.
Heya Josh, just wanted to say THANKS for the content you make!
i wanted to give the perspective and the experience of a streamer with ADHD. i cant really watch any streams myself (unless i can troll or interact with people in chat). i have to do something else besides watching the stream, and usually when i do watch streams it makes me want to game myself which i then end up doing. i do, however, stream myself and streaming makes me pay MORE attention to the game than when i would play alone. i HAVE to pay attention for my audience. i also don't see streaming as entertaining people; i see it more as me playing a game with some friendly strangers hanging out with me playing the game **with** me. people have called me entertaining but that's just who i am. when i play games alone i comment on what is happening too. i don't have to play it up for my stream; i just have to think out loud. when i play a game alone, i usually pause it every so often to check my messages or whatever. when i stream a game, instead of checking messages, i check chat. streaming for me has helped me finish so many games that i would otherwise never finish and also understanding games more deeply. i understand that this is not how everyone experiences streaming, but alas, i wanted to give you a different perspective.
ps. looking forward to your animal jam playthrough/review ;)
on 7:33 , mate, I was looking at an other screen and my phone while you where talking all the time, the sudden silence made me actually look over to this screen again. 😂
Then you have blizzard developers signal boosting spamming and tryi g to get him banned.
What is signal boost scamming?
@@xanmal7042 Someone wanted groups of people to to mass report Asmon and his followers to get them banned. A Blizzard employee data team lead replied agreeing how much of an asshole Asmon is. That is called a signal boost to someone who wants to spam report another just for existing.
hey josh, i have a suggestion that might be interesting to make a video of
i would like to see a video where u investigate why it is hard so swap to an new or other MMO, whilst in the end u almost always go back to the MMO u left
This is an interesting topic idea!
sink cost falacy??
@@william3791 Probably, and personnal investement too (lore/story/character/community/etc)
In my eyes, switching MMOs is like a major life event such as moving to a new city. It’s exciting but daunting. Uprooting yourself and transplanting into a new life, even a virtual life, can be traumatic.
Besides stuff others already said. I think MMOs have the problem that they have a slower start. Many players are endgame focused and somehow compare the journey they currently taking with the endgame of their old MMO.
You have to invest a huge amount of time to get somewhere. And as in the video... Attention span is a problem. And thanks to sunk cost fallacy it's just easier to go back to your old daily routine.
But as everything there are many personal nuances :)
Came from Asmon's react vid, plenty of really good information in this video! Everything was very well put together, and nicely paired with examples to show exactly what you were talking about. Subbed!
I love your pupper and it's adorable that you kept it on your lap but due to your commentary, I was focusing exclusively on the gameplay during that section and indeed, it looked like my grandmother was playing. It proves your point.
Sooo, when one uses something like accusing someone of having the attention span of a goldfish it's no longer an insult, but a fact. Why am I not surprised?
Lol.
He managed to stream ARR without making it feel like a complete slog.
Scientists around the world are still trying to figure out how the hell he pulled that off.
Easy when you're playing a good game. :)
Exactly this. I was trying to play through ARR for fun and it was boring as all hell. But when I initially and reluctantly watched Asmon go at it, he made it so interesting and hilarious. That's some real fuckin talent
And thus, the cycle continues. Pretty slick huh?
it has been so long since i havent paused or fastforwarded a video. You sir, have had my attention ! very nicely done video and great advice :D
I just recently started watching your videos, and I noticed "pool of radiance" behind you. That pleased me, remembering how much i enjoyed the game, mainly due to atmosphere in the game
There is one big flaw in your attention span part. Not a lot of people watch the stream primarily. And im pretty sure you can easily watch minutes of a stream without something exciting when you have a game you are playing yourself or whatever you are doing besides watching the stream.
This! Most everyone I know uses streamers like podcasts and only look over to see what’s going on when things start getting wild
Great video and so true. After watching asmo playing ff14, I decided to give it a shot. My experience was so different and after 6 hours I gave it up for good.
That black screen was hilarious. There was an ad right before it and I thought youtube glitched so I refreshed.
Oh, I didn't know we played in the same server!
Maybe we'll meet around one day, even though I barely hit the cities anymore and just idle inside my house if I'm not raiding or doing anything productive.
This is very true. I tried to launch a streaming career once because I figured, hey .. I love playing games. I've been playing games my whole life. I spend all my time playing games. I should stream!
... It was not at all how I imagined it would be. Playing a game for an audience is totally different to playing for myself, and I soon realised that and quit, and went back to enjoying playing for myself.
I'm not saying don't stream. I'm just saying it's not for everyone. It wasn't for me.
You know I honestly wonder if there's something wrong with people who follow streamers around in-game. Like why on earth is this the thing you decide to spend your time and more often than not money on?
Seriously is everything okay with them?
The answer is literally just children.
When we found out our biology teachers wow server and nickname we would stalk him for weeks lol
I love how the pikachu mug kept changing
Love the pikachu mug switch through the vid xD first with no lid, then with lid and then finally full switch out with a plushie pikachu lmfao
start adding mugs to the background until they are the only things there
And spell out the name of a certain someone with it 😏
Can make an exception for a physical copy of Cuphead
yes
OMG !!!!!!! When did he try it ? fuck and i watch him every time I can and miss it :/
On saturday he did,
He already also did a 2nd stream on it,
Check the asmon tv channel for highlights
We've had streamers try playing PlanetSide 2, and the amount of fun they have with the game is directly proportional with how much preparation they do before hand (getting into contact with prominent community members, learning how to navigate the UI, letting the devs know how big of a mob to expect, and letting their own viewers know when the event will take place).
Streamers that jump into PlanetSide 2 without any preparation will invariably get endlessly farmed by the unstoppable hoards of stream-snipers (this happened with LIRIK and TheSpiffingBrit, which led to a bad time for all). On the flip side, a group of streamers known as The Late Shift went through the necessary preparations described above, got a fantastic person to lead their army of parasocial relationship victims, and everyone had a blast.
lmao the pikachu plushie! well done video.
I really admire the ability of asmongold to entertain. This video made me appreciate him more.
Did you really just invite people to bomb your sessions by divulging your character name and server? When I saw what happened during asmon's stream I was horrified, like, nope no no no way, I'd interrupt right there, change my name and server, hide both from the UI and resume lol
I had a very brief foray into streaming and only played games I already knew inside and out. Couldn't imagine doing it on a game I've never played before.
Originally saw this from asmon's POV when he reacted to the video. Just wanna say i like your style and you got yourself a new sub