There is a lot of folks out there that should be thankful for all your diligence, research and development that are .300 Black out shooters. You have covered the practical accuracy, the hunting applications, the suppressed sub loads and the supersonic aspects of the cartridge, Not only that, However also going outside the lines of the published data (A thing that I personally wouldn't do on a reloading channel) at risk of damage's to you and your firearms. You always Make it a point to show your Logic behind it and what risk you expect.. Not Willy Nelly doing it like some Idiot. anyway.. Much appreciated Johnny.. Keep up the good work.. Dave
@@GunFunZS You have no business loading 300 Cosby subsonic if you are scared of running a compressed load. I try to squeak out every last bit to get to 1050 FPS. My Western Powders book has me using compressed loads almost exclusively even as a starting load. 220 grain, 12.5 grains of LT-30 is already compressed just starting. Reloading isn’t for those who are extremely risk averse.
same.... i go to his channel play list while im doing brass prep or even reloading n watch all his videos like i would the walking dead.... dudes voice is relaxing and the info is marvelous..... my favorite is the accuracy load developement and seeing just how much 2-10ths of a grain can really make such a big difference....
Thank you SO much for everything you do for the reloading community. Seriously, your help made me stick with this thing when I was really frustrated years ago. Still a loyal subscriber and fan.
Hey man, before I start any load development, I watch your videos for that caliber and chamber. You are my inspiration. Thanks for taking the time to do this, it isn't cheap and I'm sure you're just as stressed trying to find supplies.
yeah. I think they might be different twist rates too. A lot of the pistol length barrels are 1:7, and all the 16" barrels I have seen for sale were 1:8. I think that was what AR stoner's barrels are. I think I would like the pistol and carbine length barrels to be the same twist so I don't need to make two sets of ammo.
Hope to see you put some of the Speer Gold Dots designed for the 300 BLK (part #308150BLKGDB ) over the CFE BLK and get a glimpse at the results. The Gold Dots in 223 all were very impressive. You've rekindled my interest in this round. Thanks for all you do, great channel!
I know this video is 4 years old. Very much has changed since. What hasn't, thank God, is that 150 grain bullets are actually still somewhat available in my area. Amazing... can't find a small rifle primer to safe my soul, or even a descent pound of rifle powder, or new brass, or small grain bullets... but 150's are on the shelf! Yay!! As soon as I get my $160.00 brick of CCI #41's from Gun Broker(what a rip off...) I can start loading my 3037's. Can't barely wait, but I'm sure it will take at least 4-6 weeks to get my primers, that is if they didn't just flat steal my money....
Great job … just came across you and enjoy your information … because of the AMMO shortage I took up reloading again and had to buy a lot of reloading items and this is my first rifle reloading and the bullet I love the 300 AAC Blackout. I basically hand load the bullets and I am lucky getting the bullets and this powder your are trying. Primers are nonexistent and trying to find some without spending a years salary. Without spark plugs the gun don’t run🙄😳🥴
My Hornady manual was published before CFE Black came out. Ive got 2lbs. Hornady lumps their data for all their 150 and 155gr together aside from the COAL. Hogdon still only has data for the 150 IB so I planned on using the IB data for CFE and applying it to the Interlock I had. What I find interesting is this has always been common place, but I've seen so many posts on reloading forums where people freak out at the thought of substituting.
Thanks for all your fiddling, lol Seriously I have enjoyed watching several hours this weekend. Really informative. I don't shoot 300Blk. Are your results inline with other 300blk shooters? Compressed loads, I don't have any problems with lightly-compressed loads. There has been issues when using boat tails and getting runout, probably not a big issue at close range. I would like to see a couple of things. Shoot from a gun mount that takes you out of the variables. Try shooting factory loads close to your hand loads, when your groups stink, and or have a second shooter using your gun and loads. You seem to do a fantastic job reloading with some results enough to make a grown man cry! I have similar results with my shooting and reloading, I start changing too many variables at once so you (me) never determine what the hell is going on. I can't shoot 1-minute groups with my AR. Thanks Again for the Great Videos
I want more CFE black videos. Also in your breakdown video, please discuss optimum bullet for a 110 -130 grain match type bullet, that can be affordably purchased in quantity. I'm trying to set up a 3-gun rig with such a bullet, and probably try to clone the projectile in cast lead for affordability.
Thanks for getting back on this David. RUclips messed up the comment system, so I just noticed your reply. To my mind, your barrel is nearly what I want- I think. Lemme explain. All the pistols seem to have 1-8 barrels to stabilize the heavy bullets. I would like if possible to make the same ammo run well in both the pistol and the carbine. So that means I want a pistol lenght gas system on the carbine like yours, but probably a 1-7 twist rate to match the pistols and run the heavy subs that I cast. The only manufacturer selling a 1-7 twist barrel that I can find is Windham, which they are only selling as a complete rifle, with carbine length gas. -- What do you think? Am I on the right track, or just needlessly hunting for a unicorn?
Hey JRB Wanted to let you/all know that I tried loading and shooting some 150 gr Hornady FMJBT with 10 - 10.2 grains of A1680 (subsonic) and filling the remainder of the case capacity (to the rim as suggested) with Puff-lon case filler in order to alleviate the powder position issue. Though I didn't have a chronograph I can tell you that I was still getting inconsistent velocities (many super, some sub) despite no powder movement in the case. It may be that I have to go lower on the powder charge and the Puff-lon, as it's likely adding pressure to the case. The good news however is that Puff-lon shot out very cleanly and only some loose powdery residue that was easy to clean off. Definitely a good case filler choice. Looking forward to seeing your results with the light subsonics using CFE BLK! Gun tested: 16" carbine gas barrel, converted LC 223 brass, JP silent capture spring/buffer, CCI 400 primers, ~50ºF, at sea level, overcast.
My Ruger American likes 155 ELD’s with Accurate 1680 @ 20.5 grains. Seems fairly accurate out to 600 yards, however I have hit the 1K. I’ll be playing with some lighter projectiles soon.
Great channel, great load testing. have you any plans for cheap loads loading projectiles? i.e. 110 carbine bullet loads? I've seen many others, but none that are as detailed as yours vids, huge fan of all your work.
I have found a little forward preload on the bipod makes for better groups. I also notice your cadence seems between one and two seconds per shot. Just a guess, you might slow down and focus a bit on trigger press,,and calling your shot. The buttplate nut might be loose!!
Wonder what groups with the pistol would be at 50 yards? Since it has pistol length barrel? Just would like too see....my son has 300blk pistol 10.5 barrel, uses it mainly for hog hunting, love your videos on 300blk, helping me alot.
Just had my first tests with 150. I really don't think my barrel likes this bullet weight. My 147 loads were shocking as far as grouping is concerned though i did see some improvement on the heavily compressed CFE BLK side. I do need to try a better primer before i give up. Factory loadings from Winchester and S&B grouped 2 MOA at very best 12.5" Nitrided AAC 1/7 barrel
Johnny, Do you have a preference of the Forester seating dies over the Redding, I had been using Hornady dies but for 223 I bought a set of Redding and find the micrometer much easier to read. Thinking about Forester for 300 blackout. Any thoughts? Any chance you would do a video comparing dies?
Do you have a suggestion for oal for hornady 150 gr fmj/bt? The load data I found says 2.235 and hornady suggests 2.22 but at these lengths I am nowhere close to the cannilure...
I would like to know how you are compressing the 150grs at 21grs. At 20.5, mine push back out of the case from 2.11 to 2.15. You must have your converted cases trimmed at max length. My best groups are at 20.5, but some slight over gassed signs. I run at 19 grs for a plinking load
Your killing me with the digital calipers. If you have to keep resetting your zero then something's wrong. Get some dial calipers! I will be checking the over all length on all of my compressed loads. Never heard of a bullet moving forward with a compressed load. Another informative video as always. Thanks.
sierra has load data for that bullet with the coal at 2.140 And a max load of 20.3 gr of cfeblk...do you see an advantage to using your slightly smaller oal? I have heard mixed opinions on this.
I was trying to figure out how to personal message you and send you some pictures of a interesting problem I am having or at least I think I am having using these gameking bullets and cfe blk...not sure if the compression is moving the bullet out or what is going on and wanted your opinion
dude super job on your channel love it. have you looked into a meplat trimmer Hoover makes a nice one, its an extra step but your ogive to point distance would be exact every time check it out and tell me what you think. thanks again
Did you happen to chamber a round and then extract it? When I was loading the 3031 bullets I found I had to mess with the OAL quite a bit so the lead tip wasn't getting smushed on the feed ramps. Perhaps that's affecting accuracy?
WARNING Love your channel but I'm concerned about this video. I was planning on loading up some plinkers so looked up my favorite source (you). You mention the Hodgdon data says you can only get 33,500 psi with a max load with CFE-BLK. That has to be a mistake on the part of Hodgdon. There is no way you could get those velocities at 33,500 psi. My GRT file says we are over max pressure at 20 gr CFE BLK at C.O.L. - 2.1 inches. I realize this is an old video but I figured I'd say something. I'm going to call Hodgdon and ask 'em WTF? They have a lot of CFE BLK data that claims remarkably low pressures.
I'm thinking he might not be the best shooter, I get pissed off when my groups are that large. I would have used a rest and bag not the bipod for best results. I'm going to run a 12.5 inch 1/7 barrel.
So cool you did this 6yrs ago. The exact load dev I’m getting ready to do. And planned to start at 20.5. Great info. Thanks for having this out there.
There is a lot of folks out there that should be thankful for all your diligence, research and development that are .300 Black out shooters. You have covered the practical accuracy, the hunting applications, the suppressed sub loads and the supersonic aspects of the cartridge, Not only that, However also going outside the lines of the published data (A thing that I personally wouldn't do on a reloading channel) at risk of damage's to you and your firearms. You always Make it a point to show your Logic behind it and what risk you expect.. Not Willy Nelly doing it like some Idiot. anyway.. Much appreciated Johnny.. Keep up the good work.. Dave
++++ What Thorsaxe said. Exactly that. Not sure I want to run compressed loads, but you make a good case for it.
"don't blow your face off"...
@@GunFunZS You have no business loading 300 Cosby subsonic if you are scared of running a compressed load. I try to squeak out every last bit to get to 1050 FPS. My Western Powders book has me using compressed loads almost exclusively even as a starting load. 220 grain, 12.5 grains of LT-30 is already compressed just starting. Reloading isn’t for those who are extremely risk averse.
dude I watch your videos like a TV show, awesome and very detailed not rushed info, keep it up, thanks
same.... i go to his channel play list while im doing brass prep or even reloading n watch all his videos like i would the walking dead.... dudes voice is relaxing and the info is marvelous..... my favorite is the accuracy load developement and seeing just how much 2-10ths of a grain can really make such a big difference....
I'm glad I found this I didn't have any data on CFE BLK
Thank you .
God Bless
Thank you SO much for everything you do for the reloading community. Seriously, your help made me stick with this thing when I was really frustrated years ago. Still a loyal subscriber and fan.
You’re a godsend my friend!!!!! Thank you so much for your work, it’s making my learning experience immensely less stressful!
Hey man, before I start any load development, I watch your videos for that caliber and chamber. You are my inspiration. Thanks for taking the time to do this, it isn't cheap and I'm sure you're just as stressed trying to find supplies.
Thank you for all the data you share. It is greatly appreciated my good sir
Your videos are top notch and very informative. I can't believe you don't have a billion subs. Subbed
Thanks for the vids. I appreciate testing the different length barrels.
yeah. I think they might be different twist rates too. A lot of the pistol length barrels are 1:7, and all the 16" barrels I have seen for sale were 1:8. I think that was what AR stoner's barrels are. I think I would like the pistol and carbine length barrels to be the same twist so I don't need to make two sets of ammo.
Both of my barrels are 1:8
Great series and video as usual. i watch all these religiously and i don't even own a 300BLK.
Thank you for this video I am just getting ready to load some 150
3:45 “...see if I blow my face off...” I can relate brother...hahahaha... Thank you for all you do for us RUclips reloading cooks.
Thank you.
The Speer #2023 150gr bullet with win 296 or lil gun at max is one of my favorite pig loads for 300blk. I can squeeze out 2100 fps with that one
Awesome vid as always!👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Hope to see you put some of the Speer Gold Dots designed for the 300 BLK (part #308150BLKGDB
) over the CFE BLK and get a glimpse at the results. The Gold Dots in 223 all were very impressive. You've rekindled my interest in this round. Thanks for all you do, great channel!
I know this video is 4 years old. Very much has changed since. What hasn't, thank God, is that 150 grain bullets are actually still somewhat available in my area. Amazing... can't find a small rifle primer to safe my soul, or even a descent pound of rifle powder, or new brass, or small grain bullets... but 150's are on the shelf! Yay!!
As soon as I get my $160.00 brick of CCI #41's from Gun Broker(what a rip off...) I can start loading my 3037's. Can't barely wait, but I'm sure it will take at least 4-6 weeks to get my primers, that is if they didn't just flat steal my money....
"We'll find out. That's what makes these videos interesting." Love it. Keep up the AWESOME work.
Great job … just came across you and enjoy your information … because of the AMMO shortage I took up reloading again and had to buy a lot of reloading items and this is my first rifle reloading and the bullet I love the 300 AAC Blackout. I basically hand load the bullets and I am lucky getting the bullets and this powder your are trying. Primers are nonexistent and trying to find some without spending a years salary. Without spark plugs the gun don’t run🙄😳🥴
Well done!
Excellent!!!! I just hope the CFE BLK starts hitting stores.
Hopefully it will be soon! Lots of people seem to be seeing it at Cabela's, so that's your best bet if you've got one near you.
My Hornady manual was published before CFE Black came out. Ive got 2lbs. Hornady lumps their data for all their 150 and 155gr together aside from the COAL. Hogdon still only has data for the 150 IB so I planned on using the IB data for CFE and applying it to the Interlock I had. What I find interesting is this has always been common place, but I've seen so many posts on reloading forums where people freak out at the thought of substituting.
Johnny, I guarantee that your viewer audience from CA will increase off the scale now that the ammo is regulated. Stand by!
Thanks for all your fiddling, lol Seriously I have enjoyed watching several hours this weekend. Really informative. I don't shoot 300Blk. Are your results inline with other 300blk shooters?
Compressed loads, I don't have any problems with lightly-compressed loads. There has been issues when using boat tails and getting runout, probably not a big issue at close range. I would like to see a couple of things. Shoot from a gun mount that takes you out of the variables. Try shooting factory loads close to your hand loads, when your groups stink, and or have a second shooter using your gun and loads.
You seem to do a fantastic job reloading with some results enough to make a grown man cry! I have similar results with my shooting and reloading, I start changing too many variables at once so you (me) never determine what the hell is going on. I can't shoot 1-minute groups with my AR.
Thanks Again for the Great Videos
I want more CFE black videos. Also in your breakdown video, please discuss optimum bullet for a 110 -130 grain match type bullet, that can be affordably purchased in quantity. I'm trying to set up a 3-gun rig with such a bullet, and probably try to clone the projectile in cast lead for affordability.
Thanks for getting back on this David. RUclips messed up the comment system, so I just noticed your reply. To my mind, your barrel is nearly what I want- I think. Lemme explain. All the pistols seem to have 1-8 barrels to stabilize the heavy bullets. I would like if possible to make the same ammo run well in both the pistol and the carbine. So that means I want a pistol lenght gas system on the carbine like yours, but probably a 1-7 twist rate to match the pistols and run the heavy subs that I cast. The only manufacturer selling a 1-7 twist barrel that I can find is Windham, which they are only selling as a complete rifle, with carbine length gas. -- What do you think? Am I on the right track, or just needlessly hunting for a unicorn?
My reloading kit from Hornady comes with 600 150grain
Interlocks. Thus, this video is critical to me.
Hey JRB
Wanted to let you/all know that I tried loading and shooting some 150 gr Hornady FMJBT with 10 - 10.2 grains of A1680 (subsonic) and filling the remainder of the case capacity (to the rim as suggested) with Puff-lon case filler in order to alleviate the powder position issue. Though I didn't have a chronograph I can tell you that I was still getting inconsistent velocities (many super, some sub) despite no powder movement in the case. It may be that I have to go lower on the powder charge and the Puff-lon, as it's likely adding pressure to the case. The good news however is that Puff-lon shot out very cleanly and only some loose powdery residue that was easy to clean off. Definitely a good case filler choice. Looking forward to seeing your results with the light subsonics using CFE BLK!
Gun tested: 16" carbine gas barrel, converted LC 223 brass, JP silent capture spring/buffer, CCI 400 primers, ~50ºF, at sea level, overcast.
Thanks for the report! I plan to do some more testing soon. I'm hoping CFE BLK might work better!
My Ruger American likes 155 ELD’s with Accurate 1680 @ 20.5 grains. Seems fairly accurate out to 600 yards, however I have hit the 1K. I’ll be playing with some lighter projectiles soon.
Great channel, great load testing. have you any plans for cheap loads loading projectiles? i.e. 110 carbine bullet loads? I've seen many others, but none that are as detailed as yours vids, huge fan of all your work.
I saw a video where a rep from Hodgdon was interviewed and he called the powder "CFE B-L-K".... but we all know it as "CFE-black" now as it should be.
like to see you test barnes 120 tac tx they just got back in stock
I have found a little forward preload on the bipod makes for better groups. I also notice your cadence seems between one and two seconds per shot. Just a guess, you might slow down and focus a bit on trigger press,,and calling your shot. The buttplate nut might be loose!!
Wonder what groups with the pistol would be at 50 yards? Since it has pistol length barrel? Just would like too see....my son has 300blk pistol 10.5 barrel, uses it mainly for hog hunting, love your videos on 300blk, helping me alot.
my 16in shoots 125smk lights out lil bug holes all day but for lighter bullets go that's it
Interesting that the 8" barrel was more accurate than the 16". I have 2 boxes of 150's I got for free for buying Hornady dies last year.
Do you think barrel twist rate is affecting the supersonic bullets in the 16 inch barrel?
Just had my first tests with 150.
I really don't think my barrel likes this bullet weight.
My 147 loads were shocking as far as grouping is concerned though i did see some improvement on the heavily compressed CFE BLK side. I do need to try a better primer before i give up.
Factory loadings from Winchester and S&B grouped 2 MOA at very best
12.5" Nitrided AAC 1/7 barrel
Johnny, Do you have a preference of the Forester seating dies over the Redding, I had been using Hornady dies but for 223 I bought a set of Redding and find the micrometer much easier to read. Thinking about Forester for 300 blackout. Any thoughts? Any chance you would do a video comparing dies?
Do you have a suggestion for oal for hornady 150 gr fmj/bt? The load data I found says 2.235 and hornady suggests 2.22 but at these lengths I am nowhere close to the cannilure...
are these the same as the Sierra 150 gr gameking? I am trying to find some load data for those and using lil gun...any suggestions?
I would like to know how you are compressing the 150grs at 21grs. At 20.5, mine push back out of the case from 2.11 to 2.15. You must have your converted cases trimmed at max length. My best groups are at 20.5, but some slight over gassed signs. I run at 19 grs for a plinking load
Anyone found a nice load for the 150 grain Lehigh Match Solid's? They are long (1.3") so I don't think standard 150 data will work.
Your killing me with the digital calipers. If you have to keep resetting your zero then something's wrong. Get some dial calipers! I will be checking the over all length on all of my compressed loads. Never heard of a bullet moving forward with a compressed load. Another informative video as always. Thanks.
I have a set of dial calipers as well. I might start using them more. My digital set is starting to get a little screwy.
Probably just needs a cheap battery. I ordered a dozen or so off of amazon and am set for a decade or so.
sierra has load data for that bullet with the coal at 2.140 And a max load of 20.3 gr of cfeblk...do you see an advantage to using your slightly smaller oal? I have heard mixed opinions on this.
what is your recommended valocity for a 300 blk hunting load?
what about Barnes 130 grain tipped triple shock?
love to see this in a SUBSONIC testing
He's done it. Just check his page.
i did look but i did not find it but like my wife says YOU LOOKING LIKE A MAN
Wait. Are you looking for 150's subsonic, or CFE BLK subsonic? I'm only sure he did the latter.
I have the same question: can CFE BLK and 150gr interlocks be used to make subsonics?
You should look at 147 military pulled as subs 😉
was at Cabelas yesterday an they had more CFE BLK than any other powder. must have been 20 1 lbs on the shelf.
That is really great to hear. It sounds like Cabela's got a big part of this first shipment. Hopefully soon it's sitting on the shelf everywhere!
I would love to see the 150gr tested subsonic with cfe blk!
Yes I'd like to see this as well.
I just recently purchased a .300 Blk pistol. Thinking of learning to reload. What kind of cost savings can I expect if any?
I was trying to figure out how to personal message you and send you some pictures of a interesting problem I am having or at least I think I am having using these gameking bullets and cfe blk...not sure if the compression is moving the bullet out or what is going on and wanted your opinion
dude super job on your channel love it. have you looked into a meplat trimmer Hoover makes a nice one, its an extra step but your ogive to point distance would be exact every time check it out and tell me what you think. thanks again
Adam Weeks
main question would be why your velocity dropped lower with 21.5 gr than 21gr ?
would you mind do one for subsonic 150gr with cfe blk?
@Johnny’s Reloading Bench there was no wrap up 😔 would you recommend this for lightweight supersonic 110gr bullets or stick to H110??
What primers did you use with these loads? cci 450 or 400
cci 450
Have you ever used hornady 30 cal 150 gr SST for 300blkout?
Did you happen to chamber a round and then extract it? When I was loading the 3031 bullets I found I had to mess with the OAL quite a bit so the lead tip wasn't getting smushed on the feed ramps. Perhaps that's affecting accuracy?
I don't think I did. Definitely a possibility.
Can you load 308 Winchester with CFE blk?
WARNING Love your channel but I'm concerned about this video. I was planning on loading up some plinkers so looked up my favorite source (you). You mention the Hodgdon data says you can only get 33,500 psi with a max load with CFE-BLK. That has to be a mistake on the part of Hodgdon. There is no way you could get those velocities at 33,500 psi. My GRT file says we are over max pressure at 20 gr CFE BLK at C.O.L. - 2.1 inches. I realize this is an old video but I figured I'd say something. I'm going to call Hodgdon and ask 'em WTF? They have a lot of CFE BLK data that claims remarkably low pressures.
I'm thinking he might not be the best shooter, I get pissed off when my groups are that large. I would have used a rest and bag not the bipod for best results. I'm going to run a 12.5 inch 1/7 barrel.
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What distance? 25, 50, 100?
100 yards
Use a smaller die expander or none, your cases will last forever
hi
I get two pounds today.. ill find out I guess...
yup... great stuff!! awesome sd's all around even the bad one had decent sd's...