Joseph: "I know you hate me for being the favourite of dad, but trust me, I had a dream where you bowed to me and proclaimed me as your leader." Also Joseph: (Pikachu face after they throw him into a hole) You cannot be a main character in the old testament without being a dick.
Moral of the story, never get salty and sell your annoying spoiled younger sibling into forced servitude over nonsense, least they actually get power over you and their dream turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Or never show favoritism to any of your kids cause you never know what the other kids who are tossed to the side would do due to jealousy and envy cause even if you do anything in retaliation the favorite one will still always come out on top no matter what even if they have changed their life around for the better
Fun fact: Judah (the guy who offered to take Ben's place) is the same guy who, together with Levi (the progenitor of the priestly tribe), murdered an entire town full of men while they were writihing in agony after Judah conned them into circumcising themselves. That one doesn't make it into the kids' stories, thankfully. He also had sex with his step-daughter (despite being married), who later gave birth to his son. Truly, a paragon of Godly virtue! I can see why God chose to have Jesus be his descendant. What were we talking about again? Oh yeah, I don't buy for a second that any of them were good people. I guess Reuben wasn't so bad, he at least tried to save Joseph and wasn't present when they sold him into slavery. He also had an affair with one of his dad's sex-slaves though, so that's kinda icky.
Moral of the story: picking a favourite child when you have more than one causes the others to become jealous (and hopefully will throw the favourite in a hole). I’m definitely not my parents favourite and could tell clear as day that they didn’t like me as much.
Instructions Unclear: Favorite Child has somehow become vice-president of a foreign country and is holding the middle child for possible indentured servitude...
I either was a very dumb kid because the horrors went over my head, or a very smart kid because I didn't even think they were more real than, say, Star Wars
I was 7 when the original MBoBS came out. My father (elder) made me study every story and write a report on each story..... 4th generation born in jw for 30 years. Got out in 2000. Haven't thought about it since.
@@DarthMagog Core memory is of a day that I didn't want to do the report and the shame my parents had for me. That said the memories in the last 23 years since leaving are so good. 4 kids only 1 a jw still. Marriedto a never jw wife for 20 years, success in business ownership. Keep this in mind those leaving; it can be soo good out of the cult, work for it!
People read this story to children. Veggietales did a version of it in the Wild West (they change the assault to stealing from the bar owner, but I don't think they changed the slavery bit, so that's upsetting), Dreamworks made a direct-to-video movie about it (which is just a Christian direct-to-video short film with twice the length), and there's probably a fair few other adaptations meant for children. I don't get what makes this story appropriate for children.
I think it's because they change "sex" to "lay down with me." Which, I didn't fully understand the context for when I read it as a kid and no one was going to explain it.
I kind of felt bad for Joseph’s brothers before they attacked him; Jacob shouldn’t have played favorites; but, Joseph’s brothers went to far; also, it wasn’t Joseph’s fault that Jacob played favorites.
Hello. I found your channel yesterday. I was raised a JW back when they used the Paradise book for children. This book came out when I was out but still kinda had my tip toes in. My oldest son, who was born in 1978, was given a copy by my grandmother. I read the stories to my son when he was little, even though I did not raise him JW. I am so glad that he and my younger two children did not grow up in “the Lie.”
The pyramids were not built by slave labor. Actually against the law to make slaves do heavy labor. The monuments were built by skilled artisans, farmers in the off season and soldiers home from war.
So, a couple things. Regarding the cup bearer and the bread maker, I like to think they were both thrown in jail because the cup bearer had to taste all of the Pharaoh's food before the Pharaoh could eat it to check for poison. Somehow the cup bearer discovered the bread maker's plot to poison pharaoh and they were both thrown into prison while the investigation went on. The cup bearer was found innocent so he got his job back.
@@DarthMagog I imagine there was more to that story, like in the oral tradition but you know paper is really expensive back then so it was abridged and then just lumped in with the Joseph story to save space.
@@DarthMagog The process for blue dye was lengthy, expensive, and smelly; they got blue dye from Sea Snails. One animal that’s suspected of being the Hillazon from the Bible is the Sea Snail; the other is the Cuttlefish.
I have seen things on like cults and religions and people in videos have been like "be warned, some of this is pretty graphic" for stuff like old depictions of hell. I used to always think "Well they are going a bit overboard, this is standard religious stuff", only in the past few years have I realized it is not normal to show kids this stuff and frequently remind them of Israelites eating their children because they did not flee the city. One depiction from I think the Daniel book still sticks with me, guy twisting and turning and becoming more gaunt as his body becomes more corpse like as.
Well Joseph eventually forgives his brothers but only after they put their lives on the line to avoid repeating the same mistake. And he does it on his own terms not at the insistence of some higher power, and its never implied he's wrong for messing with his brothers before then. Its a great story to teach about forgiveness.
Funny how the bible mentions kings like Cyrus... but never provides the names of Pharaohs. Almost as if the writers didn't want to tie it to a specific age...
Lloyd Webber let me down. I didn't know the brothers went to Egypt twice. Also, the cup was gold. And when Jacob came to Egypt no longer feeling old, how bloody old was he? That was fun, thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it. If I remember the scripture, he was around 130 or something maybe? I think he "died" at 175. But, you know, I haven't been an MS for years, so I'm starting to forget lol.
I like this story in context of "Humans do awful things but staying true to god and morality will help." It's a known issue if you crank up God's omnipotence it gets questionable why he doesn't just explode Joseph's shitty brothers. "This reads like a story I'd write when I was eight." I mean come on it's 4000 years old, when I was 8 I was already writing the Odyssey, and not that oral tradition stuff either.
It never occurred to me how messed up this story really is. I think I never caught on to this all being part of God's plan, was just amazed how awful everyone else was. Now the story of Job and Isaac's sacrifice? Those were the ones that got me in a lot of trouble for asking far too many questions about
Don't know why almost all christian denominations tell their believers that they have to forgive those who wronged them. Some things just can't be forgiven.
Also, they have very pale skin for ancient Canaanites and ancient Egyptians; except for the Pharaoh, pharaohs had pale skin as a sign of wealth: pale skin meant that they didn’t have to work on a farm all day.
The Old Testament is unquestionably a book drenched in blood and suffering. This book represents a very jealous and insecure god. He regularly needs a constant stream of praise (sacrifice) to build his ego. When he gets angry, even innocent people can die or suffer according to his will or both at the same time when he is very, very angry! This schizophrenic, egocentric, and unstable god is like any fanciful dictator… .. But he loves us !!! LOL...
Is Potiphar’s wife depicted with a Sphinx cat? Because, if so, then, Sphinx cats were first bred around the 1990s a.d. , and, the Sphinx cat is a Canadian breed.
One more thing, idk if Fives watches Casual Geographic, animals just eat what they can get their mouths on. Cows will certainly eat birds if they feel like it and I wouldn't put it past them for dream cows to cannibalize each other to signify drought and famine.
So, personally, I've always loved this story. It's not that God put Joe into slavery, but when evil was done to him, God used that evil to do incredible things for Joe. It gives me a lot of hope. But i have absolutely see how fundie groups can pervert this story into something awful.
Lol ngl Yu-Gi-Oh is part of the reason I was able to shed the terrible homophobia that this religion instilled into me. In some ways it's saved my life.
Edit for clarity: I actually saw Joseph King of Dreams, not Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. My apologies. Original comment: Definitely different than the content I've seen from you lately, but still good content! I actually saw Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat as a kid and this story seems to completely (word I can't type in YT comments)ize the original idea. Kinda stinks what the JW's version of Yahweh supposedly did to muck up an entire perfectly unobjectionable religion and make it into a cu_t. Looking forward to your next video, Magog!
Lol yeah I don't do these episodes very often. Admittedly I don't think people like them very much, so I don't do them often. This was actually almost a word for word transcript of me explaining a Bible Story to Fives (Who grew up areligious and has almost no history with the book itself.)
@DarthMagog I like these ones a lot. I find it's the childhood stuff that's done the damage. I bought (off ebay) "your youth", "paradise", "great teacher" etc....and I'm finding them really helpful in deprogramming. Seeing where the poison was fed to my child brain, and seeing the same stuff through my adult eyes, is both traumatic and very therapeutic. It really helps to see videos like this, so thank you. I really appreciate that you do cover stuff that maybe doesn't seem so popular. It shows that you are genuine in what you do, and it reminds/teaches people that jw kids are STILL BEING SHOWN THIS STUFF! If this video prevents even 1 child being exposed to this book (am I'm sure it will make many think twice at least) then it is worth every second of the time you and Fives took to make it. Don't ever second guess what you put out. You know what damaged you, and you know what we were all exposed to. Born ins have been exposed to violence, death and fear from birth. Conditional love and the belief that self-esteem is sinful pride. I am grateful for your work. All of it. And I know I'm not alone in that.
@@kymo6343 Edit: I misremembered and swapped "Joseph King of Dreams" with what was being referenced here. There are at least two movies depicting It. The one I'm thinking of is newer. The actual movie is called "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat" and it's here: ruclips.net/video/Gye_wmmDYg8/видео.html "Joseph King of Dreams" is here: ruclips.net/video/JW1zpOujbCk/видео.html Original comment: It was an old 2D movie, either by DreamWorks or Disney I think, and took it fairly far out of any religion's context to help present it in an unbiased way. The full name was "Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat"
Personally I prefer tamer stories like the good Samaritan. You know. The one where a guy-who hates Samaritans-is beaten with clubs, robbed, and left for dead. Then watches several people walk by and just leave him there, but it's all good because a Samaritan comes along and saves him. My favorite part of my copy is the last line. "Wasn't it nice of the Samaritan to save him, even though he hated them." Never says he stopped hating them at any point.
I feel ya on that one. It's interesting to note that the Good Samaritan is explicitly told as a parable and not presented as Biblical Canonical History, like the Flood or the Invasion of Canaan, which are significantly more violent. And often much less pleasant, with no clear "moral" or "lesson." I'd love to research that with a real Bible Scholar instead of relying on my Watchtower "training" which at best only works on other Bible fundamentalists lol.
@@DarthMagog That is interesting. I remember being in Sunday school talking about how that one probably actually happened based on how simple the story was, but we were no fundamental church. We knew Noah's flood was a parable. It's worth noting this discussion tended to happen when the teacher left. The church didn't seem too bothered about which stories were true and which were parables. We just enjoyed talking about it. For context. I was Baptist, but in Minnesota. Not like those fire and brimstone southern Baptists. The closest it ever felt to that was when one of our wilder friends came with us-he was Lutheran and attended his church every weekend but this one. As soon as the pastor saw him in his torn outfit he decided to start his sermon with, "I feel an evil presence among us."
@@jeremyblade7561 a yeah, Jehovah’s Witnesses are hyper fundamental literalists, so even that type of conversation was forbidden. Gospel was history and they wouldnt hear anything else. Really stiffled critical thinking
Poor Fives looks like he could use a break from the horrors of Caleb & Sophia. There's an old holodrama called "Lie to Me," in which the main character uses his jedi-like powers of observation to solve crimes. In the first Pilot episode, one of the stories involves a JW boy is accused of killing his high school teacher. Thanks to your insights, I understood the episode a bit better, especially the scenes with the boy's parents. While it is outside "early childhood education," I think Fives might have something interesting to say, and perhaps you could help with context.
Omg i love that little baby Yoda doll! So cute. And he's very intelligent bcz he did not like the story!! That was just REALLY FREAKING CUTE!! Ok i am now finished and will go back to your other videos to catch up on what I have been MISSING!!
@@DarthMagog That one couldn’t be farther from the truth. The ancient Egyptians plucked their hair to avoid getting head lice. They would also pluck the hair of slaves to sell; which just made Joseph’s situation that much worse.
*sits down criss-cross applesauce* Uncle Magog, next time can we read the revelation book and how the whore of Babylon who was drunk on the blood of god's people was eaten up by the ten horned beast? It is such a good bet time story!
Not to be the "uhm actually guy" so I'll just be the "fun fact" guy. While it doesn't in the films, the Princess Leia "Bloodline" novel does have Leia rifling through some papers on an alien world. I *wanna* say Ryloth, but it might not be.
@@DarthMagog I haven't read that one. Also, the Canon kept getting rewritten after the prequels came out. Back when I finished college (let's call it "mid 90s"), there was an 800 page summary of the EU. This was when Heir to the Empire was a new book, and the EU needed 800 pages as a summary... Of course, we didn't have as much damage as was later caused by Troy Denning and Kevin J. Anderson--though they were hard at work trying to put together the worst schlock they could imagine. I guess that, like bras, paper has made its way into the GFFA.
I like how they skipped the part at the end of Genesis where Joseph cons all the Egyptians into selling him their livestock, their land, and finally themselves in order to buy back their own grain which he took from them. At the beginning of the next book, the Egyptians have enslaved the Israelites. Hmm... I wonder if the two are related?
You know, I wonder if I had a favorite. Aside from the brain fog I get trying to remember that far back, I'm actually questioning if there were ANY stories I really liked. Except for probably David and Goliath really. I love a good underdog story.
Joseph’s brothers sold him for 20 pieces of silver and Judas got 30 for Jesus. But remember, Joseph is Old Testament, so taking inflation into account, it probably works out to about the same in the end.
As someone whose entire family is non-religious I had this centuries-old story "spoiled" and I am so confused. What's with all the prophetic dreams to all these people? Do prophetic dreams pop up anywhere else in the Bible? Why are Joseph's brothers mad at their father's favoritism when even God favors him? Why is that coat the only thing I know Joseph for yet is basically irrelevant in the story?! Fives is correct that it's a lot. What...what even was this story?
Lol yeah. Prophetic dreams seem to be a trope older than time itself, and Jehovah's *favorite* plot device, other than random written prophecies. It's nice that ALW jazzed this up for Broadway though....
@DarthMagog I have 5 brothers and sisters. Guarantee you if one said they had a dream the rest of us were bowing down to them then that kid would have gotten beat up in the bathroom at the kingdom hall 😅
How were the Ishmaelites able to become a thing since Ishmael is basically Jacob's half-uncle? How can a civilization be formed in just two generations? Joseph's half-brothers aren't just his "half-brothers", they are also his cousins, well except the sons born to Bilhah and Zilpah, Rachel and Leah's slaves. Rachel and Leah are also sisters because Laban, their father duped his nephew into marrying Leah, the eldest first. Jesus, why does there have to be a whole story just to nail down biblical character's paternity? The sisters pretty much try to outdo each other. Reuben has sex with Bilhah, his step-mom's slaves, who was also the mother to some of his half-brothers. So ew! Jacob is a lousy full older brother for trying to frame his younger full brother, Benjamin for theft. Although, he did get his revenge by temporarily holding one of his brothers that caused him to get sold into slavery, never seeing Benjamin's birth, and saying goodbye to his mom.
Actually mate, you answered your own question. Because of Jesus is why. They were intent on making his lineage go all the way back to Abraham and a few other ancient Hebrew Kings/Heroes to fulfill some aspect of prophecy, so the Bible gets more obsessed with backstories than the average LOTR fan
I wish you guys were the ones to read these stories to me when I was a child and then explain why it doesn't make sense so I'd never grow up thinking these stories actually happened. Lol. Would have been much more interesting. Also with regard to the thin cows eating the fat cows; horses will actually eat meat if they are lacking in certain nutrients from their normal diet. I saw a horse eat a live bird before: (ruclips.net/video/ZnYNmGMsU18/видео.htmlsi=63SIIPR8K9Dm-Nlk). It's not too far out of the realm of possibility that cows may do the same thing if lacking in nutrients.
Yeah it has come up that herbivore and carnivore is more of a spectrum than a binary, which makes sense given that we have omnivores in the first place.
@@DarthMagogThat makes sense. Sometimes carnivores will purposely eat grass to make themselves purge if they ate something that didn't agree with them.
Sometimes the bible feels like a Michael Bay movie: dumb plots with lots of special effects. It's a nice guilty pleasure as long as you don't try to apply any logic.
Hoo boy, thank goodness I made alfredo shells with extra cheese for dinner tonight, gonna need some comfort food for this one... XD;;; That weird feeling when you know if you lived a few hundred/thousand years ago your sibs woulda been okay with selling you to someone too pft... I wouldn't even have to say ''I will rule you" like some weird Lil Caligula. And they probably woulda taken 10 silver! "What does 'Lie Down With Her' mean Dad?" "Hush up kid." Anyone gonna mention how messed up it was that he told the Baker that instead of anything else? "Don't lose your head, dude! LOL no but seriously you will, good luck with having that on your HEAD~ :)b" I mean yeah everybody was having weird dreams back then bc nobody rly knew a good mushroom from a funky one anyways but also who is to rly say that it wasn't the Cupbearer that deserved to lose his head over spiking the Pharoah's shit instead of the Baker...? "He keeps the brother named Simian in prison" "What" Are you saying what to the fact that he kept him in prison or that his name was Simian...? XD Yeah their dad made it REAL obvious who was the favorite! "Hey Joseph! Here's a pretty coat! But you get back to work Monkeyface." "Hey Dad remember that really boss expensive coat you made your favorite dead son forever ago? Uuuh gonna need to get another one of those, we'll explain why on the way to Egypt..."
You see this story os one of the Original Hebrew once. Mainly to explain why there country was part of Egypt. The original Hittit Jeshua Story And Hebrew Moses story were Essantial fanfiction and meant as a founding myth of the Defacto abandond lands. Makes quit a lot of sens when you hear what actuall happened. Subsahran Nubian Mercs were an big part of egypts armys and because of there Dark skin easy to make out between the light skinned Egyptains who are lightskined north african Semetic peopel. I need to say this because the racism against north africans is extrem these days. So there leaders coop against the 24 dynasty and start there own Dynastie, or 100 years of destruction how egyptain sources call it. The Nubians than started Plundering egyptain Graves and Temples wiping out over 5000 years of history. Because Judea and other areas didnt have mayor Temples or Graves the areas were abandond this is very likly the same time the city whos Ruins today are called Jericho was Destroyed. The time between this abandoning abd the capture by the Neobabylonians and later Persians is where the mayority of Bibel storys have the historical Origin
11:26 Why are you assuming that the servants are slaves simply from the use of the word "master" in an English translation? I mean yes, it's likely that Joseph owned slaves because someone in his position would probably have owned slaves, but the word "master" has nothing to do with this. Paid servants have masters.
Pretty sure "paid servants" would have bosses. Maybe "The Master" i can see, but Joseph also clearly wasn't above at least threatening his brothers with Slavery so...
Pharaoh doesn't have a pillow? The stories of the bible say more about the... ...less than idea ethics of the ancient world... than they do about a true deity of love, forgiveness, and understanding. Oh, but YHWH Jehovah is not about love and forgiveness, but rather war, jealousy, and wrath. Funny, that.
@@DarthMagog It's almost as if the book is a collection of unrelated campfire stories that someone slapped together and did a quick Find&Replace to splice in YHWH Jealousy Jehovah's name for other deities as a superficial attempt to unify the stories under a single deity.
But oooh dream reading, dream analysis, and dream interpretation is now considered evil and from satan 🙄 While this passage was horrible, there is some stuff we can learn about ourselves via dreams! But as a witness you wouldn't know, cause looking deeper into it gets you really disapproving looks.
The pyramids weren't build by slaves. Okay, according to the bible this is the case, but in reality most of the work force were free men who got pay rather well for the time and had health care. A good part of the payment was in food and beverages, but this was common practice. Tbf they had to work, but you to put it in perspective. It was part of the tax system, everyone owed the government work, even the rich and powerful. I wouldn't really call that slavery. To this day this is a normal practice in some countries and many you have to serve in the military. Honestly, I would rather build pyramids than trying to dodge arrows and swords.
@@DarthMagog that is understandable my lord, while as a Christian I don’t agree with everything you said in this video, I none the less enjoyed listening to your commentary and criticisms on the biblical story. Keep up the good work to both you and Commander Fives
Joseph: "I know you hate me for being the favourite of dad, but trust me, I had a dream where you bowed to me and proclaimed me as your leader."
Also Joseph: (Pikachu face after they throw him into a hole)
You cannot be a main character in the old testament without being a dick.
Astonished he went as long as he did without getting beat up.
Moral of the story, never get salty and sell your annoying spoiled younger sibling into forced servitude over nonsense, least they actually get power over you and their dream turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I mean, that seems to be it.
Or never show favoritism to any of your kids cause you never know what the other kids who are tossed to the side would do due to jealousy and envy cause even if you do anything in retaliation the favorite one will still always come out on top no matter what even if they have changed their life around for the better
I was clueless to the moral of the story but I think you hit the nail on the head with this one.
The Bible almost makes sense if you accept that the main character is the villain.
It sure does read like that lol
My Big Book of Villans
Almost...
Honestly
My favorite part of the Bible was when God said, "You know, I'm something of an agent of chaos."
How did Joseph know all 10 of his brothers were good people after only one offered to take Ben’s place?
The JW Hivemind of course lol
Fun fact: Judah (the guy who offered to take Ben's place) is the same guy who, together with Levi (the progenitor of the priestly tribe), murdered an entire town full of men while they were writihing in agony after Judah conned them into circumcising themselves. That one doesn't make it into the kids' stories, thankfully. He also had sex with his step-daughter (despite being married), who later gave birth to his son. Truly, a paragon of Godly virtue! I can see why God chose to have Jesus be his descendant.
What were we talking about again? Oh yeah, I don't buy for a second that any of them were good people. I guess Reuben wasn't so bad, he at least tried to save Joseph and wasn't present when they sold him into slavery. He also had an affair with one of his dad's sex-slaves though, so that's kinda icky.
@@5h0rgunn45 "Why is it okay that he knocked up his own son's wife again?" "Hush up kid, it just is!"
Fives cuddling Grogu is just the cutest thing! ❤
Fives was in full on teacher mode lol
Moral of the story: picking a favourite child when you have more than one causes the others to become jealous (and hopefully will throw the favourite in a hole). I’m definitely not my parents favourite and could tell clear as day that they didn’t like me as much.
Instructions Unclear: Favorite Child has somehow become vice-president of a foreign country and is holding the middle child for possible indentured servitude...
I either was a very dumb kid because the horrors went over my head, or a very smart kid because I didn't even think they were more real than, say, Star Wars
Smart kid indeed
I was 7 when the original MBoBS came out. My father (elder) made me study every story and write a report on each story..... 4th generation born in jw for 30 years. Got out in 2000. Haven't thought about it since.
Can't say I blame you at all honestly.
@@DarthMagog Core memory is of a day that I didn't want to do the report and the shame my parents had for me. That said the memories in the last 23 years since leaving are so good. 4 kids only 1 a jw still. Marriedto a never jw wife for 20 years, success in business ownership. Keep this in mind those leaving; it can be soo good out of the cult, work for it!
People read this story to children. Veggietales did a version of it in the Wild West (they change the assault to stealing from the bar owner, but I don't think they changed the slavery bit, so that's upsetting), Dreamworks made a direct-to-video movie about it (which is just a Christian direct-to-video short film with twice the length), and there's probably a fair few other adaptations meant for children.
I don't get what makes this story appropriate for children.
I think it's because they change "sex" to "lay down with me." Which, I didn't fully understand the context for when I read it as a kid and no one was going to explain it.
Don't forget Sight and Sound did a whole show on this story as well. Pretty good soundtrack though one of their best works.
I kind of felt bad for Joseph’s brothers before they attacked him; Jacob shouldn’t have played favorites; but, Joseph’s brothers went to far; also, it wasn’t Joseph’s fault that Jacob played favorites.
Yeah Joseph just keeps getting screwed over and over and over again in these.
@@DarthMagog Poor Joseph; he probably needed therapy after that.
Hello. I found your channel yesterday. I was raised a JW back when they used the Paradise book for children. This book came out when I was out but still kinda had my tip toes in. My oldest son, who was born in 1978, was given a copy by my grandmother. I read the stories to my son when he was little, even though I did not raise him JW. I am so glad that he and my younger two children did not grow up in “the Lie.”
Yay!! My book of Bible Horrors
Hooray for JW Baby Nightmares! Lol
The pyramids were not built by slave labor. Actually against the law to make slaves do heavy labor. The monuments were built by skilled artisans, farmers in the off season and soldiers home from war.
Lol yeah I've been reading that a lot, I'll have to make a post about it on my community tab as a correction.
I would like more story times!
We'll squeeze more in from time to time.
Same!!! 😄 my ex threw my book out so these are great 😂
Yikes all those drawings are unlocking some core memories for me for sure...
Same!!
It's rough getting through some of the first party material.
Lol I can't believe that I thought that this was wisdom 😂 I will give myself a break since I was like 7 . 🙀🙀 Thanks Darth and Commander Fives ❤
Agreed, wasn't your fault Dan. Thanks for all the love and support :)
So, a couple things.
Regarding the cup bearer and the bread maker, I like to think they were both thrown in jail because the cup bearer had to taste all of the Pharaoh's food before the Pharaoh could eat it to check for poison. Somehow the cup bearer discovered the bread maker's plot to poison pharaoh and they were both thrown into prison while the investigation went on. The cup bearer was found innocent so he got his job back.
Hey, just as good as my headcanon. I always just assumed that Pharaoh was "Worldly and Impulsive" so his random choices made sense at the time 😅
@@DarthMagog I imagine there was more to that story, like in the oral tradition but you know paper is really expensive back then so it was abridged and then just lumped in with the Joseph story to save space.
Blue?? Wow, blue was expensive in Biblical times, no wonder Joseph’s brothers were jealous.
Lol fair 🤣
@@DarthMagog The process for blue dye was lengthy, expensive, and smelly; they got blue dye from Sea Snails. One animal that’s suspected of being the Hillazon from the Bible is the Sea Snail; the other is the Cuttlefish.
Nice, tell us more bedtime stories guys!
(These stories are way too scary for kids, what are they thinking!)
I have seen things on like cults and religions and people in videos have been like "be warned, some of this is pretty graphic" for stuff like old depictions of hell. I used to always think "Well they are going a bit overboard, this is standard religious stuff", only in the past few years have I realized it is not normal to show kids this stuff and frequently remind them of Israelites eating their children because they did not flee the city. One depiction from I think the Daniel book still sticks with me, guy twisting and turning and becoming more gaunt as his body becomes more corpse like as.
Yeah they rated all this stuff as "E for Everyone" but had a problem with Pokémon lol
"His father Jacob liked Joseph very very much."
Liked? Not loved.
Jacob: Yeah I guess my sons are okay. And Joseph is the okayest of them all.
Jacob was the original Omni-man
@@DarthMagog This genuinely made me laugh out loud.
Well Joseph eventually forgives his brothers but only after they put their lives on the line to avoid repeating the same mistake.
And he does it on his own terms not at the insistence of some higher power, and its never implied he's wrong for messing with his brothers before then.
Its a great story to teach about forgiveness.
Funny how the bible mentions kings like Cyrus... but never provides the names of Pharaohs. Almost as if the writers didn't want to tie it to a specific age...
Makes you wonder. Especially since said Pharaoh's were worshipped as gods...
Lloyd Webber let me down. I didn't know the brothers went to Egypt twice. Also, the cup was gold. And when Jacob came to Egypt no longer feeling old, how bloody old was he? That was fun, thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it. If I remember the scripture, he was around 130 or something maybe? I think he "died" at 175. But, you know, I haven't been an MS for years, so I'm starting to forget lol.
I had friends on that Death Star...
I like this story in context of "Humans do awful things but staying true to god and morality will help." It's a known issue if you crank up God's omnipotence it gets questionable why he doesn't just explode Joseph's shitty brothers.
"This reads like a story I'd write when I was eight." I mean come on it's 4000 years old, when I was 8 I was already writing the Odyssey, and not that oral tradition stuff either.
Admittedly from a literary standpoint, God's omnipotence is the biggest problem with the Bible.
I love this, Magog do you think you and Commander Fives and Grogu could do the story of Moses. That’s probably another dark story
We could add it to the list. Probably a multi-parter.
It never occurred to me how messed up this story really is. I think I never caught on to this all being part of God's plan, was just amazed how awful everyone else was. Now the story of Job and Isaac's sacrifice? Those were the ones that got me in a lot of trouble for asking far too many questions about
Oh we gotta cover those soon
@@DarthMagog I'm totally here for it!
Don't know why almost all christian denominations tell their believers that they have to forgive those who wronged them. Some things just can't be forgiven.
Correct
Not JW, but at my Catholic school we just talked about this story
I have similar memories
Very popular bible story about temptation.
Impressive that they were historically accurate with the Pharaoh’s pillow.
They get some things right from time to time.
@@DarthMagog Yeah.
Also, they have very pale skin for ancient Canaanites and ancient Egyptians; except for the Pharaoh, pharaohs had pale skin as a sign of wealth: pale skin meant that they didn’t have to work on a farm all day.
And even then, they'd probably be a shade darker than your average European maybe probably.
@@DarthMagog So, like a light skinned Mediterranean skin tone?
The Old Testament is unquestionably a book drenched in blood and suffering. This book represents a very jealous and insecure god. He regularly needs a constant stream of praise (sacrifice) to build his ego. When he gets angry, even innocent people can die or suffer according to his will or both at the same time when he is very, very angry! This schizophrenic, egocentric, and unstable god is like any fanciful dictator… .. But he loves us !!! LOL...
The Benevolent creator of the universe everyone! lol
I can’t wait for the storybook about Job!
I'll add it to the list
I do love being read to! Thank you for reading to us!
Anytime my friend, we love doing these episodes 😁
Is Potiphar’s wife depicted with a Sphinx cat? Because, if so, then, Sphinx cats were first bred around the 1990s a.d. , and, the Sphinx cat is a Canadian breed.
You know, I'm not sure actually. The art is vague enough for just about anything.
@@DarthMagog True. Although, the big ears and wrinkles point towards Sphinx.
I just saw this posted, I’m so excited! I’ve been asking for more of these. It takes be back….
Lol yeah we got a few comments in the last Caleb & Sophia
One more thing, idk if Fives watches Casual Geographic, animals just eat what they can get their mouths on. Cows will certainly eat birds if they feel like it and I wouldn't put it past them for dream cows to cannibalize each other to signify drought and famine.
Lol Fives has seen a few episodes, i'm a huge Hood Nature Fan.
So, personally, I've always loved this story.
It's not that God put Joe into slavery, but when evil was done to him, God used that evil to do incredible things for Joe. It gives me a lot of hope.
But i have absolutely see how fundie groups can pervert this story into something awful.
I think it works better as a parable than an explanation of history, agreed.
The Yu-Gi-Oh reference made me laugh so hard.
Lol ngl Yu-Gi-Oh is part of the reason I was able to shed the terrible homophobia that this religion instilled into me. In some ways it's saved my life.
Edit for clarity: I actually saw Joseph King of Dreams, not Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. My apologies.
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Definitely different than the content I've seen from you lately, but still good content! I actually saw Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat as a kid and this story seems to completely (word I can't type in YT comments)ize the original idea. Kinda stinks what the JW's version of Yahweh supposedly did to muck up an entire perfectly unobjectionable religion and make it into a cu_t.
Looking forward to your next video, Magog!
Lol yeah I don't do these episodes very often. Admittedly I don't think people like them very much, so I don't do them often. This was actually almost a word for word transcript of me explaining a Bible Story to Fives (Who grew up areligious and has almost no history with the book itself.)
@DarthMagog I like these ones a lot. I find it's the childhood stuff that's done the damage. I bought (off ebay) "your youth", "paradise", "great teacher" etc....and I'm finding them really helpful in deprogramming. Seeing where the poison was fed to my child brain, and seeing the same stuff through my adult eyes, is both traumatic and very therapeutic.
It really helps to see videos like this, so thank you. I really appreciate that you do cover stuff that maybe doesn't seem so popular. It shows that you are genuine in what you do, and it reminds/teaches people that jw kids are STILL BEING SHOWN THIS STUFF!
If this video prevents even 1 child being exposed to this book (am I'm sure it will make many think twice at least) then it is worth every second of the time you and Fives took to make it.
Don't ever second guess what you put out. You know what damaged you, and you know what we were all exposed to.
Born ins have been exposed to violence, death and fear from birth. Conditional love and the belief that self-esteem is sinful pride.
I am grateful for your work. All of it. And I know I'm not alone in that.
I've never seen this 'Technicolor Dreamcoat" thing others speak of, what makes it different than the 'regular' or JW story of Joseph?
@@kymo6343 Edit: I misremembered and swapped "Joseph King of Dreams" with what was being referenced here. There are at least two movies depicting It. The one I'm thinking of is newer. The actual movie is called "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat" and it's here: ruclips.net/video/Gye_wmmDYg8/видео.html
"Joseph King of Dreams" is here: ruclips.net/video/JW1zpOujbCk/видео.html
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It was an old 2D movie, either by DreamWorks or Disney I think, and took it fairly far out of any religion's context to help present it in an unbiased way. The full name was "Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat"
Personally I prefer tamer stories like the good Samaritan.
You know. The one where a guy-who hates Samaritans-is beaten with clubs, robbed, and left for dead. Then watches several people walk by and just leave him there, but it's all good because a Samaritan comes along and saves him.
My favorite part of my copy is the last line. "Wasn't it nice of the Samaritan to save him, even though he hated them."
Never says he stopped hating them at any point.
I feel ya on that one. It's interesting to note that the Good Samaritan is explicitly told as a parable and not presented as Biblical Canonical History, like the Flood or the Invasion of Canaan, which are significantly more violent. And often much less pleasant, with no clear "moral" or "lesson." I'd love to research that with a real Bible Scholar instead of relying on my Watchtower "training" which at best only works on other Bible fundamentalists lol.
@@DarthMagog That is interesting. I remember being in Sunday school talking about how that one probably actually happened based on how simple the story was, but we were no fundamental church. We knew Noah's flood was a parable.
It's worth noting this discussion tended to happen when the teacher left. The church didn't seem too bothered about which stories were true and which were parables. We just enjoyed talking about it.
For context. I was Baptist, but in Minnesota. Not like those fire and brimstone southern Baptists. The closest it ever felt to that was when one of our wilder friends came with us-he was Lutheran and attended his church every weekend but this one.
As soon as the pastor saw him in his torn outfit he decided to start his sermon with, "I feel an evil presence among us."
@@jeremyblade7561 a yeah, Jehovah’s Witnesses are hyper fundamental literalists, so even that type of conversation was forbidden. Gospel was history and they wouldnt hear anything else. Really stiffled critical thinking
Poor Fives looks like he could use a break from the horrors of Caleb & Sophia.
There's an old holodrama called "Lie to Me," in which the main character uses his jedi-like powers of observation to solve crimes. In the first Pilot episode, one of the stories involves a JW boy is accused of killing his high school teacher.
Thanks to your insights, I understood the episode a bit better, especially the scenes with the boy's parents.
While it is outside "early childhood education," I think Fives might have something interesting to say, and perhaps you could help with context.
Omg i love that little baby Yoda doll! So cute. And he's very intelligent bcz he did not like the story!! That was just REALLY FREAKING CUTE!! Ok i am now finished and will go back to your other videos to catch up on what I have been MISSING!!
Haha, glad you're loving it!
Had to pause for something at 9:10 and Fives' pose/facial expression is too perfect.
Lol Fives is often floored by some of the things we read them.
@DarthMagog need me to pay for his therapist, Master Magog?
@@gwenpicchi5719 lol we have a pretty good insurance plan here at the Empire. Maybe. Probably lol
Good stuff, Darth!
Thank you :)
Weird that they depicted an ancient Egyptian with long hair and a long beard.
Historical accuracy is hit and miss with Jehovah's Witnesses.
@@DarthMagog That one couldn’t be farther from the truth. The ancient Egyptians plucked their hair to avoid getting head lice. They would also pluck the hair of slaves to sell; which just made Joseph’s situation that much worse.
Awesome Video!👏🌟
Thank you :)
Next time I recommend watching the Star Wars Christmas Special probably less missed up and clear to follow.
Lol Life Day does seem like a much better holiday than The Day of the Memorial
The musical based on this story is so good tho. We had a DVD of the Broadway version and we used to watch it every Easter for some reason??
Sounds reasonable to me.
*sits down criss-cross applesauce* Uncle Magog, next time can we read the revelation book and how the whore of Babylon who was drunk on the blood of god's people was eaten up by the ten horned beast? It is such a good bet time story!
Lol I might even play the audio book of that one. Just like when I was a Padawan and my parents used it to help me sleep (No, REALLY)
I thought there was no paper in the GFFA?
Isn't it hard to flip pages with those claws?
The Dark side gives many abilities that some consider...... unnatural.
Not to be the "uhm actually guy" so I'll just be the "fun fact" guy. While it doesn't in the films, the Princess Leia "Bloodline" novel does have Leia rifling through some papers on an alien world. I *wanna* say Ryloth, but it might not be.
@@DarthMagog I haven't read that one. Also, the Canon kept getting rewritten after the prequels came out. Back when I finished college (let's call it "mid 90s"), there was an 800 page summary of the EU. This was when Heir to the Empire was a new book, and the EU needed 800 pages as a summary...
Of course, we didn't have as much damage as was later caused by Troy Denning and Kevin J. Anderson--though they were hard at work trying to put together the worst schlock they could imagine.
I guess that, like bras, paper has made its way into the GFFA.
I like how they skipped the part at the end of Genesis where Joseph cons all the Egyptians into selling him their livestock, their land, and finally themselves in order to buy back their own grain which he took from them. At the beginning of the next book, the Egyptians have enslaved the Israelites. Hmm... I wonder if the two are related?
Lol it's the butterfly effect
Dude this was my childhood! I loved the story of Joseph when I was a child, I even saw the Dreamworks movie "Joseph the king of the dreams"
You know, I wonder if I had a favorite. Aside from the brain fog I get trying to remember that far back, I'm actually questioning if there were ANY stories I really liked. Except for probably David and Goliath really. I love a good underdog story.
Would love to hear how JW do different the story of Jonah
I can add that to the list
this is Great Hey Magog i love the channel
Glad you like it 😁
I like how DreamWorks made the stories better.
Prince of Egypt was such a cool movie 😎
Why am I unfazed by the idea of Yami owning slaves?
I assume because of Yu-Gi-Oh abridged. Thst or you watched the original Japanese release where he wasn't nearly as child friendly
@@DarthMagog Yeah, Atem was quite the pyromaniac in the original manga too
Grogu's head hits joystick... new version of Death Star blows up. 'Uh... I don't know who did that...'
It would save him from more Bible Stories.
when your brothers sell you because you have a cool ass coat F in chat
Lol truth.
Joseph’s brothers sold him for 20 pieces of silver and Judas got 30 for Jesus. But remember, Joseph is Old Testament, so taking inflation into account, it probably works out to about the same in the end.
Ah yeah, I guess 1600 odd years or so would result in a little inflation 😅
Ummmm...but Simeon wasn't dead? He was just imprisoned. So why was Jacob acting like he was? I guess he was planning to just leave him there to die?
Jacob isn't a very good parent 😕
As someone whose entire family is non-religious I had this centuries-old story "spoiled" and I am so confused. What's with all the prophetic dreams to all these people? Do prophetic dreams pop up anywhere else in the Bible? Why are Joseph's brothers mad at their father's favoritism when even God favors him? Why is that coat the only thing I know Joseph for yet is basically irrelevant in the story?!
Fives is correct that it's a lot. What...what even was this story?
Lol yeah. Prophetic dreams seem to be a trope older than time itself, and Jehovah's *favorite* plot device, other than random written prophecies. It's nice that ALW jazzed this up for Broadway though....
Lol to Joseph asking to get beat up😅
Lol he was *really* pushing his luck.
@DarthMagog I have 5 brothers and sisters. Guarantee you if one said they had a dream the rest of us were bowing down to them then that kid would have gotten beat up in the bathroom at the kingdom hall 😅
2:35 Poor goat...
Indeed
King David and bethshebas child makes this story sound like Jehovah is a god of love lol.
Oh can't wait to cover that episode
to be honest i would've thrown my brother into a well if he was dads favorite and said me and the other brothers would bow down to him
Lol it's hard to argue with the logic
How were the Ishmaelites able to become a thing since Ishmael is basically Jacob's half-uncle? How can a civilization be formed in just two generations?
Joseph's half-brothers aren't just his "half-brothers", they are also his cousins, well except the sons born to Bilhah and Zilpah, Rachel and Leah's slaves. Rachel and Leah are also sisters because Laban, their father duped his nephew into marrying Leah, the eldest first.
Jesus, why does there have to be a whole story just to nail down biblical character's paternity?
The sisters pretty much try to outdo each other. Reuben has sex with Bilhah, his step-mom's slaves, who was also the mother to some of his half-brothers. So ew!
Jacob is a lousy full older brother for trying to frame his younger full brother, Benjamin for theft. Although, he did get his revenge by temporarily holding one of his brothers that caused him to get sold into slavery, never seeing Benjamin's birth, and saying goodbye to his mom.
Actually mate, you answered your own question. Because of Jesus is why. They were intent on making his lineage go all the way back to Abraham and a few other ancient Hebrew Kings/Heroes to fulfill some aspect of prophecy, so the Bible gets more obsessed with backstories than the average LOTR fan
cows actually will eat meat if they get the opportunity
Huh, so Avatar was right.
Commander Fives, I think the cupbearer put mercury in the Pharaoh’s drink. Maybe the wine wasn’t red enough.
Lol the cupbearer REALY wanted to Party
YAY SLAVERY!!!!😅
Lol wasn't prepared to laugh and heart at that comment.
Joseph's brothers sell him to the Ishmaelites... but doesn't a later verse say the Midianites sold him to the Egyptians?
The Midinites helped them pull him out then they sold him to the Ishmaelites or something.
Something something sold into slavery... @@DarthMagog
And the Ishmaelites are their second cousins…
I wish you guys were the ones to read these stories to me when I was a child and then explain why it doesn't make sense so I'd never grow up thinking these stories actually happened. Lol. Would have been much more interesting.
Also with regard to the thin cows eating the fat cows; horses will actually eat meat if they are lacking in certain nutrients from their normal diet. I saw a horse eat a live bird before: (ruclips.net/video/ZnYNmGMsU18/видео.htmlsi=63SIIPR8K9Dm-Nlk). It's not too far out of the realm of possibility that cows may do the same thing if lacking in nutrients.
Yeah it has come up that herbivore and carnivore is more of a spectrum than a binary, which makes sense given that we have omnivores in the first place.
@@DarthMagogThat makes sense. Sometimes carnivores will purposely eat grass to make themselves purge if they ate something that didn't agree with them.
The only historically accurate part of the story in that book is the pillow the pharoahs slept on.
Gotta take the wins.
Are going to plan q thanksgiving dinner on the ship on Thursday master Magog. 😉🤤🍗
I think I'm going to give the crew a little shore leave, so we can all head home 🏡
Sometimes the bible feels like a Michael Bay movie: dumb plots with lots of special effects. It's a nice guilty pleasure as long as you don't try to apply any logic.
That's probably the best way I've heard it described
I guess that prices went up in the 1st century a.d. .
Likely yes.
Ah ah my sister would kidnap the baby Yoda master Magog & thanks for reminding me on just how F-ed up this story was. 😨
It's a rough one isn't it my Apprentice?
Hey now Magog you cant just blow over Jacob/Isreal FIGHTING GOD 1V1 TO A STANDSTILL FOR 12 HOURS
Lol oh we'll have to read that one soon
@@DarthMagog I can't remember where it is, and depending on translation it'll be an angel. But that's how Jacob got renamed Isreal
Hoo boy, thank goodness I made alfredo shells with extra cheese for dinner tonight, gonna need some comfort food for this one... XD;;;
That weird feeling when you know if you lived a few hundred/thousand years ago your sibs woulda been okay with selling you to someone too pft... I wouldn't even have to say ''I will rule you" like some weird Lil Caligula. And they probably woulda taken 10 silver!
"What does 'Lie Down With Her' mean Dad?" "Hush up kid."
Anyone gonna mention how messed up it was that he told the Baker that instead of anything else? "Don't lose your head, dude! LOL no but seriously you will, good luck with having that on your HEAD~ :)b"
I mean yeah everybody was having weird dreams back then bc nobody rly knew a good mushroom from a funky one anyways but also who is to rly say that it wasn't the Cupbearer that deserved to lose his head over spiking the Pharoah's shit instead of the Baker...?
"He keeps the brother named Simian in prison" "What" Are you saying what to the fact that he kept him in prison or that his name was Simian...? XD Yeah their dad made it REAL obvious who was the favorite! "Hey Joseph! Here's a pretty coat! But you get back to work Monkeyface."
"Hey Dad remember that really boss expensive coat you made your favorite dead son forever ago? Uuuh gonna need to get another one of those, we'll explain why on the way to Egypt..."
Lol the Bible Abridged is my new favorite series
U gotta love the White Boys…it’s likes Fives fave white boi.
Also Yu-Gi-Oh reference, which means King of Games…which he was the King
Dark Magician gang for life
Jacob caused all that. What did he expect!? Stupid father 😒
And he was CRYING everytime he showed up. Like he wasn't the effing problem 🙄
Actually, you asked Commander Fives.
Shhhh, Fives doesn't know lol
@@DarthMagog Well, that doesn’t seem fair to Commander Fives.
Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice made a pretty entertaining Musical out of this story.
I love "Dreamcoat"
You see this story os one of the Original Hebrew once.
Mainly to explain why there country was part of Egypt.
The original Hittit Jeshua Story
And Hebrew Moses story were Essantial fanfiction and meant as a founding myth of the Defacto abandond lands.
Makes quit a lot of sens when you hear what actuall happened.
Subsahran Nubian Mercs were an big part of egypts armys and because of there Dark skin easy to make out between the light skinned Egyptains who are lightskined north african Semetic peopel.
I need to say this because the racism against north africans is extrem these days.
So there leaders coop against the 24 dynasty and start there own Dynastie, or 100 years of destruction how egyptain sources call it.
The Nubians than started Plundering egyptain Graves and Temples wiping out over 5000 years of history.
Because Judea and other areas didnt have mayor Temples or Graves the areas were abandond this is very likly the same time the city whos Ruins today are called Jericho was Destroyed.
The time between this abandoning abd the capture by the Neobabylonians and later Persians is where the mayority of Bibel storys have the historical Origin
😂😂😂 SO GOOD!!😂😂😂
Lol glad you enjoyed it 😁
11:26 Why are you assuming that the servants are slaves simply from the use of the word "master" in an English translation? I mean yes, it's likely that Joseph owned slaves because someone in his position would probably have owned slaves, but the word "master" has nothing to do with this. Paid servants have masters.
Pretty sure "paid servants" would have bosses. Maybe "The Master" i can see, but Joseph also clearly wasn't above at least threatening his brothers with Slavery so...
@@DarthMagog In standard English, servants have masters. Employees in a business have bosses.
Pharaoh doesn't have a pillow?
The stories of the bible say more about the... ...less than idea ethics of the ancient world... than they do about a true deity of love, forgiveness, and understanding. Oh, but YHWH Jehovah is not about love and forgiveness, but rather war, jealousy, and wrath. Funny, that.
He's anything that suits the needs of the story at the time, apparently...
@@DarthMagog It's almost as if the book is a collection of unrelated campfire stories that someone slapped together and did a quick Find&Replace to splice in YHWH Jealousy Jehovah's name for other deities as a superficial attempt to unify the stories under a single deity.
I still can’t with the fake beards... just allow JWs to grow their own beards if they’re going to appear so often....
Can't even grow a beard for God I guess lol.
But oooh dream reading, dream analysis, and dream interpretation is now considered evil and from satan 🙄
While this passage was horrible, there is some stuff we can learn about ourselves via dreams! But as a witness you wouldn't know, cause looking deeper into it gets you really disapproving looks.
It's all evil magic, unless it's specifically benefitting God. THEN it's Jehovah’s Active Force
The pyramids weren't build by slaves. Okay, according to the bible this is the case, but in reality most of the work force were free men who got pay rather well for the time and had health care. A good part of the payment was in food and beverages, but this was common practice. Tbf they had to work, but you to put it in perspective. It was part of the tax system, everyone owed the government work, even the rich and powerful. I wouldn't really call that slavery. To this day this is a normal practice in some countries and many you have to serve in the military. Honestly, I would rather build pyramids than trying to dodge arrows and swords.
I'll probably post s correction in the morning, a lot of comments have pointed that one out 😅
4:33 did it actually say that?
Slight exaggeration, BUT Watchtower did make a 5 minute video specifically about the situation 😅
@@DarthMagog that is understandable my lord, while as a Christian I don’t agree with everything you said in this video, I none the less enjoyed listening to your commentary and criticisms on the biblical story. Keep up the good work to both you and Commander Fives
How old is Benjamin??
That's a good question!
@@DarthMagog Benjamin seems to be a child. What is it with the governing body and child slavery??
Atem is YamiYugi's name 😘
Loved the Fate of the Pharaoh Arc 💙
👋👍😎
Thanks Judge!
While I am not surprised, wanted to point out that as well as almost everyone in the story being an arsehole, it also doesn’t met the Bechdel test!
Lol omg that is also true
Re the title - Joseph's asshole older half brothers sold Joseph. God had nothing to do with it.
Until something good happened, then God took the credit lol
No colors? Really? The illustrators seem to have liked to use red.
Might have been different printing
@@DarthMagog Or, maybe they ran out of red ink.
This theology stuff makes no damn sense 😂
It gets hard to parse, but the historical context makes it very interesting.
uncle huh? i liked daddy better but i guess I'll accept it
🤣 either way