Is The 2017+ R35 Nissan GT-R A Real Improvement?
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- Hard to believe, but the incredible R35 Nissan GTR was introduced in 2007 - and brought over to Europe not long after. Still on sale now, it has undergone a few revisions during its life. The biggest was perhaps in 2017, with the car already a decade old.
The interior was given a thorough reworking, with the aim of making the car feel more upmarket. It was also given new engine management to make the car more responsive low down, and power was brought up to 570 PS. The suspension was also softened a little, aiming to make the car a better vehicle on the tough road surfaces often encountered in the UK.
It has been a while since I drove an R35, with the last time being an original spec car - is this one notably better?
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One of the most interesting+controversial technical trivia with the R35 GT-R was that its 'Godfather' Mizuno Kazutoshi intentionally wanted the R35 GT-R to be heavy. This obviously goes against accepted wisdom for developing a good sportscar, but he believes that by reducing a road going sportscar's weight without the downforce levels of a racing car, it compromises on high speed stability. Here are some quotes he made in several car magazine interviews:
"Other car designers develop a car as a unit. I develop the car's essentials. I decide the tyre size. The most effective contact pressure decides the amount of kilograms we should include; for the best tyre grip. From these situations I calculate and decide car weight. "
"Always [motoring] journalists say: "Lighter is better, lighter is better... I don't necessarily think so. The most effective tyre contact is essential, and it's these essentials that decide things like weight."
“So, how do you make a car? I can show you a very easy example. Imagine a high-speed corner in an F1 car, and it is using the best tyres in the world. An F1 car weighs 560kg, more than 600kg with the driver. How much downforce does an F1 car generate? Currently, it is around 1,300kg. So what is the total weight? 1,860kg [about the same as a GT-R with the driver on board, coincidentally]. A GT1 racing car weighs between 1,200 and 1,300kg. Plus downforce of 600kg, the actual weight on the car is 1,800kg… you see, very easy!”
Having lived in Japan, it is a collectivist culture and the majority of people there avoid to speak their mind, to avoid confrontation. Mizuno san is definitely not the typical Japanese and I guess from his expertise from his racing career, is very vocal. Its interesting to see people like him exist in the car industry.
That seems quite a strange claim since every proper sportscar like a Lotus or an Alfa 4C has proven that what Mizuno said wasn't especially true
@@ilpatongi Well disagree with the comment all you want, i'd like to see you have a debate with Mizuno san to challenge his theory.
@@smilepermile8165 I was just making a quick comment based on what you've said.
I'm in no position to debate with an engineer or professional driver, but many other engineers, from brands who aren't currently on the verge of total bankruptcy and danger of closing down, think the exact opposite of what Mizuno-san said; hence why Ferrari, Lamborghini, Audi (i know right?) Lotus, Alfa Romeo and others try to achieve proper balance and lightness for their sporty cars.
Kinda ironic, isn't it?
PS: Also, Mizuno said that "less weight means less stability at high speeds", but how is that even possible if the car is designed with proper aerodynamics?
@@ilpatongi I did say in my original comment "controversial technical trivia" and "This obviously goes against accepted wisdom for developing a good sportscar". I'm sure Mizuno san is also aware that he is very much in the minority with that thought process he came up with. But if he wants the GT-R to have stability at high speeds, that is most likely the reason why he came up with those points.
@@smilepermile8165 Yeah of course you were paraphrasing or directly citing, I didn't want to offend and In sorry if I did, it just seemed so funny.
So funny that one of the men responsible for the R35 said something so confusing and controversial trying to defend the heft of said car, which also ironically set a great record on the Ring which couldn't be repeated in any way possible.
Really makes you think!
i do like a GTR that doesn't advertise itself, but still goes like a spaceship
I own a nice little tuned 2015 GT-R. It’s a loud, raucous, clunking, mechanical sounding beast that puts a huge smile on my face every time I get behind the wheel. Really enjoyed the review.
Much obliged for the shout out 😁
Why wear one shirt when you can wear 10 all at once?
Haha. I have a tie that would go with that shirt.
Not a good look.
I was looking for my quilt the other day, looks like jay decided to wear it
☠☠
I was in the same situation : I hated the car when it went on sale because of the fanboys and the "anti-purist" architecture (4x4, computerized central diff, 1.700kg), then modern car came in and I start looking at the R35 from a different angle.
Then 1 year ago, I flew to Japan, rented one for 4 days, absolutely trashed it on the Fuji roads and my opinion totally changed.
I want one and I will buy one soon.
I hope you mean thrashed, rather than trashed.
Dream car, went and sat in one at a nissan garage and i was shaking with excitement. Next year i'm deffo upgrading from my 350z into a GTR!
On the subject of weight, my GT-R spends a lot of time on Exmoor. Lots of crests and troughs, bumps and dips and it totally belies any aspect of weight I have ever experienced or read about. It absolutely flies over the rough roads in a way nothing else can manage. I’ve never grounded it over the worst of roads regardless of speed whereas most sports or supercars would have their undersides scraping the road. The latest era of these cars are really incredible and in my experience fabulously reliable. TBO, I have two (one is the 50th Anniversary version 2019, the other 2017). I have never experienced a fault on either in a combined 12,000 miles. I wish I could say the same about latest generation Porsches.
Ive been watching jay for a little under a year now and while I am happy that he can make a living off this and do what he loves, Im also stunned that he doesn’t get more views compared to some of the nonsense you see on RUclips even just in the automotive genre.
One fun experience with GT-R: I had a photoshoot with one in 2019. It was an early 2009 car with 800hp HKS upgrade (plus new gearbox upgrade from Dodson). After we finished, we decided to try making an acceleration footage, with my friend riding shotgun in the car. Launch control on, left foot off the brake pedal, and the GT-R just shoots away into the horizon. The acceleration was so violent, my friend's phone literally flew backwards and hit his face. I think the owner apologised for the small incident, but all of us just laughed it off.
I was at the Tokyo motor show launch for this: Love at first sight. I remember vividly the first time I came across one on the road in my STi RA, came off of a slip road on to a highway just outside of Yokohama and it absoluey left me for dead. Yet to drive one sadly :(
Do the 2003 "skyline" that's also like an infiniti g35 or something. See how that one stacks up 😂
Another vote for the V35 Skyline / Infiniti G35!
The V35 and V36 Skylines are successors to the R chassis and offer superior performance, and quality however the fan boy hype around the old cars blinds people into not seeing this.
Its just a 350z with seats in the back haha
@@LseriesGodsMotor the V35 Skyline came first in 2001
@@KeenanStyles becoming popular with drifters due to lower price than 350z
Thanks for the video, it really rounds up your Skyline/GTR series a treat.
I still prefer the R32.
Still missing two
@@KeenanStyles what's the other one other than the original
I still prefer the R34, But the R35's sure do feel amazing to drive
Mate loving your content! The information that you fit into a 10-20 minute about whatever car your reviewing is brilliant and really insightful! Cant wait for December for whatever xmas goodies you’ve got in stock for us😎
Actually... they are a lot less to run than you say... the aftermarket scene means you can buy stuff at a fraction of the price, of that of main dealers.
I ran one for almost 10 years... utterly reliable and a total weapon with some choice mods.
At 650hp, 600lbft, they are almost unbeatable, other than some exoctica costing 5 times more.
I can do easy sub 8min on the Nurburgring, lap after lap, without anything required but fuel....
They are the BEST easy to love with Supercar, bar none. Even Porsche can’t compare. The running costs of them are WAY higher.
Great video! That was a beautiful road you were driving on.
Always great car video content 👌🚘
Great review again and love that colour on a GTR 👍
Fun fact: The original R35 GT R had suspension and handling looked over by Lotus.
Lotus always seem to be behind every great handling car somehow or another 😅
@@sammysev16 yeah strange thing, the Cortina, the Carlton, the R35, the Sunbeam...
@@sammysev16 lotus are like that guy that you always hear about from your friends, always doing cool shit and sound like the bollocks but you’ve never actually met them personally 😂
@@Fc-cb3tn even the 2005 supercharged ford gt. Had the steering rack of an Aston Martin vanquish, and was set up by lotus iirc
@@Fc-cb3tn Not forgetting the 90s ZR-1 Vette, too!
Watching that video really was a good start into the sunday. Glorious car and scenery, and driving an Evora I really get the scene with avoiding death waiting around the next corner 😄
Fantastic review mate
I can see you ending up on Top Gear or something one day. I’m calling it... great content as always. 😎
Brilliant review. Think I want one now!
Mr M,love your little tests.beats Top Gear & 5th Gear too.
Beautiful roads Jay !
Loved this video on the later 2017 and got to say I agree on all accounts, only been around short circuit tracks with earlier model and we had 370z there and the difference in speed even on short circuit was night and day, and this year had a passenger ride in this later one and as you say the step up in the interior is a vast improvement. These are good cars even Paul Wallace Sol has recently purchased 17 year model and he really taken to it how capable of car they are 👌
Great video keep up the good work your format reminds me off top gear car reviews from the 2000s the best days of top gear in my opinion. Would be great if you could get hold of a ford rs200 for a road test my all-time favourite car not alot off videos out there on them.
"A very well trained Doberman.........." is a phrase I can relate to 😆😆😆.
I'm just waiting for the day when you refer to a car in comparison with the infamous Sigourney Weaver's Alien.
Great review yet again 😊🔥👍.
😂😂🤗
Love the waynes world quote in there🤣
People always talk about how great the new 992 turbo S is. But they seem to forget how expensive it is, and how a 15 year old GTR is not far behind stock vs stock. Just that the GTR has a MUCH wider array of aftermarket options which is one of the major benefits of buying this car. So at the end of the day, if you dump in all money in both cars, the gtr will end up cheaper and faster. And there is no mistaking a GTR for any other car, many non car enthusiast always mistake a 911 turbo for a carrera S or worse, a cayman ;)
Never knew you could wear grandmas favorite quilt
Great review 😁
James. I like how you drive owners cars with consideration. Too many RUclipsrs just want to do 140 in a 60.
Gathering steering and suspension information at legal'ish speeds is a rare skill.
We'll done.
Wishing you continued success.
Thankyou Stephen, very kind. It is tricky to get a feel for a car at lower speeds but it can certainly be done and this is why I prefer more challenging roads over flat/boring carriageways
That GTR, sounds good!
Always enjoying the videos :)
Btw, where is that road?
Thats a good top lad!!
Thanks for a great clip James, I have been waiting patiently for you to go live with this video. Your R32/3/4/5 series is excellent. The more I try to decide bwtween an R35, GT4 or Lotus the more torn I become. The R35 was the frontrunner for a long time but niggles over its size won't go away, however, the engineering and Japanese reliability backed by a great eftermarket makes it deeply appealing. Any plans to review a 981 GT4? Keep up your great work, you deserve many more subscribers. It seems the only way to get big Subs on RUclips is to review mobile phones, or do dumb shit!
Really good series you've done, really enjoyed watching them.
Fancy testing the Nissan 200SX?
👌Agree Great shout 👍
Good idea. If one can be found.
Good luck finding one that isn't modified beyond recognition
Great series, do a few of the toyota jdm classics, aristo, celsior, chaser etc
Really liked the noise that thing made!! Its pretty much the perfect sound I'd want from my car
One day . Dreams do come true . 👍
Put all that engineering into a skyline shell and boom 💥
The first version to arrive in the United States. And it's still here. Except now the price has at least doubled from when it first arrived
Hi Jay, the car you drive is equipped with PS4S tire, the original Dunlop Sportmaxx GT600 would give much better steering response, just FYI :)
Gorgeous car
A truly ace car
Where were the countryside shots taken. Amazing scenery!
Sounds epic...
Yay! And hear it is 😁👌🔥
A review of Ricky's GTR or M5 would be something nice!
Cool car; cool shirt.
That exhaust FUCKING SINGS!
Definitely approve of the modification :)
I feel all GTR's should get a modified exhaust. It really opens her up and sounds AMAZING
Man... I really wanna host a 'Top Gear' show with you
TONIGHT
@@JayEmmOnCars ON BOTTOM GEAR
James wears a normal shirt and thrashes a GTR on a B-Road
theBigMan ofAK thrashes a 911 turbo without a shirt.
All of GTR's competitors bought one immediately and handed to their R&D departments secretly.
Taken apart and emulated.
Became the benchmark.
Porches, Lamborghini, Ferrari, Aston Martin also got better immediately.
came from modified evos into R35 I felt mine only really came alive after Litchfield had got it near 800bhp. Little bit tame feeling stock but an absolute animal on road modified (at what they call ‘LM750’ )
time is a cruel mistress--indeed. words of wisdom, lloyd, words of wisdom
Good as is ever Jay to follow this up after the other three colour is stunning it's a JDM dream car for me me again you got to applaud Nissan for saying this is Japanese sports car were not gonna copy anyone we're going to do her own thing apparently it was heavy on purpose because Nissan wanted it to handle better around the track and believe that having a heavier car would help with the traction and God did they get that right if you see proper race car drivers hoonigan these around a track it's unbelievable what the car can do, I think there's a video of Chris Harris doing it with a massive smile on his face. It will be good to see you try the Nismo version I think there was one called the 50 for the 50 years oh my god that is stunning in Black.
I just hope it's going to be another one could you imagine what they would do with the latest technology👍
My 11 year old son likes them as well!
I loved the R35 GTR until I read about the possible servicing charges on them generally and maintenance, plus gear box reliability of older ones especially. Would still love to own one but not sure if a 2009-2016 worth the risk.
The price is significantly more than when it launched, but has it increased more than other cars that can be directly compared between then and now - like an M3, M5, RS6, C63, etc. I would guess that the GT-R hasn't increased more than the others. I don't think you can simply compare the price and use an inflation calculator, unless you do that with the others too.
I've hammered one on a track years ago (A brand new 2014 one).
Mindbendingly fast, beautifully made, and extremely capable, I just didn't find it engaging. Maybe I'm just used to driving old cars; This just felt too easy, like driving with cheats on. It's not that it isn't entertaining (get it on a straight and it is hilarious), but it's just really not rewarding. There's no fun to be had with matching shifts for example. And that's ok, it's a car built purely for speed and speed alone. I bet it makes an incredible car for eating up continents, and I would consider buying one if I could afford it. I believe you when you say it's a better road car than track car.
I love the colour of this one. Really stands out against all the grey of every other car now.
Gtr is my choice over any super car simply for the price to performance you can get an early one quite cheap for what it is and they are really tuneable
Love these cars, but I'd want one of these AND the 370z Nismo. Just for the more usable fun of the NA V6 manual experience.
Now, all we need is to see what you think of the 2020 Nismo edition... 🤔
The only GT-R after the BNR32 to capture some of the previous magic of its predecessor offering supercar performance for a fraction of the cost and punching well above its weight class.
Nah. The r34 did that too. They just were not allowed to produce more power... and the r35 lost all the gtr magic imo
@@nikomoin7604 exactly key word in your "opinion" which means its not backed by facts. You're also wrong, there were no rules or regulations on power restrictions in the Japanese auto market. If there were then supercars wouldn't have been available to buy in the late 90s and early 00s. It was a simple agreement amongst auto manufacturers to prevent a horsepower war in which wasn't even followed as most of these cars made 350bhp. The BNR34 didn't offer anywhere near supercar performance at a fraction. The BNR34 isn't even remotely a fast car from the factory. I've owned 3 GT-Rs so I know what I'm talking about. The BNR34 couldn't even beat a Evo VII GSR in the rain at Tsukuba. The overwhelming competition and Nissans mentality to only refine the car vs make large improvements as they did with the R35 was the Skyline's downfall. The BNR34 was used as a floor wipe by all of the successor in which its predecessor the BNR32 was once in competition with. The 360 Modena, GT3, GT2, E46 M3, Evo VII RS, STI Spec C, NSX Type S, were all faster dominating the BNR34 to the point Nissan went back to the drawing board with the car to to once again produce a supercar destroyer as they did in the late 80s. The BNR34 didn't get as much hate as the BCNR33 simply because it improved on the areas of concern however the story in motorsports and with the production cars remained the same.
I saw this in an Aldi car park yesterday. Surely not filmed and uploaded so quickly, J?
Haha certainly not!
@@JayEmmOnCars You filmed around my childhood home. The Aldi was maybe 25 miles away. Owner must be the wider Stirling area, I'm guessing.
Will it become a classic like it’s older versions?
I have been driven in an Alpha 12 GT-R and all I can say... WOW 😀
Good lord
Alpha 9 was a nearly out of body experience I can only imagine a 12
Best car I’ve ever owned had a Litchfeild tuned one it was amazing. On the road and track.
Fucking phone road sorry jay. Have a word with the guys down there if you haven’t experience one of there build before they are a little mad.
“They haven’t built a new car here. They built a new yardstick.”
- Jeremy Clarkson, Original R35 Top Gear review
Childhood fantasies & nostalgia aside how does it compare back to back with the R34?
I like that cow. 10/10.
didn't think he was that keen on the 34. From his recent videos I thought he was kind of dissappointred by it.
What a shirt!
Great review as usual. GT-R not for me, if I won one, it would be up for sale within the month. Don't like the looks, size or the auto transmission. I'd have an EVO 8 or 9 any day for a drivers car.
The R35 holds my record for highest speed at which I've lost the back end in any car- around 120mph (checked corner exit speed the next lap...obviously wasn't looking at the speedo!). It definitely doesn't drive for you! Did have TC off since that was on a track.
Having said that, it still was more impressive than fun. Definitely still a lot of car for the money, but I wouldn't say a lot of fun for the money- especially accounting for running costs. If they were cheaper to run I'd be very tempted though.
They are cheap to run dude checkout bros for speed
Which road is that James?
New exhaust was a waste of money - it sounds horrible. Car looks fantastic and performance is a given. Great review.
Jesus, where did you find that shirt!???
Can you tell us where this awesome road is? Love the GT-R!
Campsie hills in Scotland
@@improvise7180 thank you. Hopefully can visit one day.
Great roads, just ip the road from me. Best road I ever found was the A835, north west Scotland, Ullapoo/ Lochinver way. Its fantastic and I know sunny days are few and far between up there, but when you get one it's a treat! Bit of a commute though....lol
Great car, always wanted one. But I think unless money was no object, I’d have a new V8 mustang for half the price.
The original R35 Was originally created by the original team I think that made they are 34. But to basically shape it as a 350 Z including power plant. Because there is a hot version stating as such look it up
It’s funny when they first came out they Bore the skyline moniker I’ve been when everyone found out that it literally had nothing to do with the skyline lineage they dropped it and made it GTR. Can I makes you think doesn’t it
I'd suck anything to own one of these...
This is the same price as an Evora. I know where my lottery win would go!
Always loved the GTR. Driving it on a track its amazing but the next one needs to be much smaller. It's clearly designed for the American market and is way too big for UK roads.
Im not sure they will build a r36 sadly. Nissan has too much problems atm
GTR's are timeless in my opinion. Truly amazing. I may be biased though haha
Where abouts is this road, looks amazing
I do wish James would tell us which roads he drives on when he does his videos
There is a reason that I don't reveal the road but if you look in comments on some of my other reviews you will see people mention it
JayEmm on Cars speed limits?!
R35 is a great value car and reliable compared to the more exotic cars and it’s always ready to drive unlike a number of temperamental cars. Drive a standard one or a tuned example check Litchfield Motors for options, size wise not really larger than an Bmw M3 f80
Does anyone know where these roads are?
Lennoxtown area just outside Glasgow heading towards Loch Lomond.
Based on your extensive experience with Mclaren, would you absolutely advise against buying a 2019 Mclaren 600LT at around the £130k price point. It seems like such good value, but not if the aftersales service, build quality and depreciation are going to be really poor then I guess it is a no go?
It's a great car, get it inspected and with a good warranty and it should be mostly fine
This is not a skyline it's a GTR
R35 Nissan don't call this skyline
But it's a nice video many attack
I'm excited for the day in the future where I will be able to afford a "dream" car, when I've done well enough that I can have £30k to spend on a weekend car. And I will buy one of these. Love love love this car so much, can't even explain it. And you don't have to be a billionaire to afford it.
I have a 2012 Nissan Sentra S with over 210,000 miles on it. Never had an issue with the original CVT. I changed the fluid every 60,000 miles as required in the owner’s manual. Nissan is capable to be reliable as Toyota and Honda. You haters should learn how to read a manual and drive a car properly and you won’t have any problems long term.
The best thing they could do for now, is to make it slimmer and lighter
And please without making any alien futuristic looks to it
I'd really consider buying one
Still a bargain deal but used 911 turbos aren't that far off. In my opinion the second best GTR behind the r32
On the running costs, you need to compare with similar performance cars 911 Turbo, Ferrari F8, Lamborghini Huracan etc..In that regards it's wayyy cheaper
I never could get over how heavy such a little car was. These things weigh as much as a Sherman Tank.
They're not really that little though
Fredrick Rourk road hugging weight!😂
@@andysp8845 4669lbs according to google
R32 3150lbs
@@andysp8845 road hugging weight like these cars? ruclips.net/video/VO07o9VHX-w/видео.html
R32 - semi
R33 - left me cold
R34 - loved it, would have one in a heart beat
R35 - marry it and have children
So you don't think either? Just regurgitate?
@@1968leg isn‘t someone allowed to share a common opinion? Not everyone wants to be an annoying contrarian all the time.
@@johnjuiceshipper4963 just predictable pap, thats all.
Clarkson says so. So I must agree.
@@1968leg I have no idea what you're on about. But you seem to be having a nice conversation with yourself.... Have a great Sunday dude 👍
7:35 why is Ricky from trailer park boys driving a GTR
Imagine that todays 2024 BMW M2 weighs more than once called overweight GT-R 😮
Got the windows wallpaper going on @7:09
I'm not a fan of the R35. Too fat, too heavy.
I’ll never own one unless my rich mum mum pegs it. And even though she’s right with cash I’d rather have her than a new skyline. Happy with my gtst