R33 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec Review - Does the R33 Deserve The Hate?
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- Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2020
- Continuing my week exploring the legendary Skyline GT-R's history, I am driving this R33. Brought in at the last minute to replace a car which had to drop out, this wasn't quite 100% ready but I am still eternally grateful to owner James for bringing it out.
Of the three, it is the most modified and represents what many expect the Skyline to be - a tuner car. But, is it changed for the better?
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Today, we find a car surprisingly louder than Jay's shirt.
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I always liked the R33 the best.
Me too
Most definitely!!💯
And me too.
Tbh back in the early 00's most people did - certainly those old enough to be at cruises and car meets anyways
Same
Same I love the taillights
I definitely prefer the looks of the R33 compared to the R32.
With regard to performance, totally apparent that the modifications do make a difference.
It was generally accepted that the 33 - with the longer wheelbase - had the straight line stability whilst being not so nimble around the corners...... this being based upon stock settings and zero modifications.
Anyway..... wtf would I know? lol. To get the true comparison...... all of the 32/33/34's would have to be driven as "fresh from the factory"..... which would be rather like asking me to fly to Jupiter 🤔😆.
Great review. Big smiles here 👍👍
i believe the R33 is the fastest of the bunch, and ironically the R34 is the slowest. The 32 was a pure drivers car for Grp A racing. The 33 was an attempt to improve it’s performance which ultimately resulted in the first production car to lap the nurburgring in under 8 mins. The 34 was designed to retain the performance of the 33 while being much more user friendly and easier to live with (which is why it’s the heaviest).
@@devandrasimanjuntak1646 the Nurburgring time is irrelevant as on so many circuits the BNR34 is proven to be the faster car and was even tested on its debut in 1999 on an autocross course against the BCNR33. It wasnt even a contest especially being a longer wheel base. The BNR34 is far from being the slowest of the GT-R generations. The slowest would be the KPGC110 as even the KPGC10 was faster. The BNR34 is not called a successor for no reason. Especially when it comes to the V-Spec II trim. With its added aero it is much faster than the BCNR33. The BNR34 has better gearing and a better transmission giving it the edge. The gearing on the BCNR33 is way too tall. Per the outcome below the smaller and more complex the circuit the slower it is than the BNR34. The Nurburgring is only a marketing point to sell more units and not a true test of superiority.
Tsukuba circuit, dry condition, 17 degrees, OEM spec tires, driver: Hiroshi Yokokawa
BNR34 1'05'32
BCNR33 1'08'04
Fuji Speedway, dry condition, 13 degrees, OEM spec tires, driver: Atsushi Samejima
BNR34 1'48'621
BCNR33 1'51'092
Suzuka Circuit fair condition, 19 degrees, OEM spec tires BNR34 tires unknown BCNR33, driver Tatsuya Hashimoto
BNR34: 2'20'783
BCNR33: 2'21'043
"Jayson's Nissan GTR R33" is the best one I've seen yet
I've always thought the R33 was the best looking of them all. Looks so purposeful from the rear.. especially in white.
I prefer these to the R34, but obviously would take any...
It's the R32 for me ^
Agreed!
HUGE respect to the outside camera guy who had to sprint ahead of the car to wait for you after each fly-by.
That was me
@@JayEmmOnCars TOTAL respect! How'd you do that? If you were driving the car at the same time? I've never seen that before. Next level amazing, mate. Keep up the superhero stuff. 🤜🙏
@@VectorOfKnowledge the owner is in the car, I'm on the side of the road. In fact I am almost never driving the car in drive by shots!
@@JayEmmOnCars "I am almost never driving the car in drive by shots!" Oh come off it, mate. Your false modesty is tastefully done and I respect that you do it, but sometimes it's a bit much. You know perfectly well that you were driving the car, and then you hopped out of it, filmed the car glide past, and then slid your way effortlessly back into it like a champ, all to bring us these awesome reviews. I know that you feel that you risk becoming like Hyacinth in "Keeping up Appearances" if you don't maintain the modesty, but it's okay to say you're awesome.
It’s grown on me a lot over the years. Actually and want one over a 32 or 34
Other way around for me. I liked it when I got into cars, but over the years i completely changed my mind.
@Paul Blackman man paul i couldnt agree with you more, these cars have become expensive to the point that they are no longer even worth buying over something newer and faster
Id disagree with paul, with a 90's motor like this, yes you may get more problems but of course modifed well, they can be quicker than the newer cars mentiond.
They feel more special being so rare these days. In my opinion look better and of course they are a much more raw mechanical experience.
And of course with a car like this you wont lose any money in depreciation like you would on a new car (you would have to be insane to buy a brand new car and take the depreciation hit imo) infact with a car like this it might even appreciate in price in your ownership.
Your comment has 33 likes so I’m going to leave it there.
I had wanted an R33 for years. Then finally got one and regretted it. Wasn't fun to drive, and wasn't quick by modern standards unless you spend thousands on it. Sounded nice, but in reality I found it about as fun to drive as I would have done driving a Mondeo. I eventually got shot of it and got a Z32 TT instead. Worlds apart, much more fun to drive.
"So, apart from the throttle, the steering and the brakes... It's fine!" 😂😂😂
😂 I’m the owner of the car a couple of days before the shoot the G sensor decided to stop working so the car weren’t perfect, I did not wanna let Jay down but could not get it fixed. Hence why I was so so paranoid about everything, I’m going to be getting car mapped after the new year and a few upgrades to the handling and then jay can make another video with the car 100% perfect
@@James__R33 yeah, I got that you got the car there despite the challenges. I just thought the way James said it was funny. Lovely car!! I'm Nissan fan so loving the series
This r33 may not be like the previous or the ones after but as a car at least I’m sure it’s a great obe to drive around I love 6 cylinder sounds 👍
Looking forward for more 90s' JDM cars and some rare forgotten cars like MG X-Power SVR ,...
That r33 looks perfect 👌
It’s difficult to review these when each has been individually modified and isn’t really representative of the factory version. Finding a stock example is really hard these days. I had a go in an almost stock R33 years ago and it was amazing. Firm but supple suspension and a lightly breathed on creamy smooth motor with around 400bhp that just yowled around to the red-line - it was a properly quick point-to-point weapon. It was so much better than I had anticipated. 🙌🏼
In 1997 when I was 8 years old my granddad purchased one of these cars brand new ! It was completely standard and when he sold it I remember seeing a tear in his eye not understanding why he was crying he had to sell the car because he was getting too old to drive it. Now if I had one and I had to sell it I would completely and utterly understand why he was so upset.
This is sad man 😔😔😔
@@shreddedlittle Yet not, as he had the amazing opportunity of owning a Legendary car from new for years... how special was that!
Fair play to him for not setting it in a garage and letting it go to someone that can use it. 👍
@@forresttm no I remember him taking me to school and picking me up from school and I remember all my friends saying wow ! And one of the best days at school was when he did a huge 11 ! I was the staff parking lot 😅
@@isoconfused8744 looking back on it yeah it was pretty special he gave me a diecast toy that he got from Nissan when he purchased the car and when he died I gave it back to him when on top of the coffin. Sunday but it's strange how watching some of these videos brings back memories
I think all 3 look great, this one in white w/ white TE37's looks especially AWESOME🔥🔥🔥
I have a Sonic Silver ‘95 R33 GTR (running around 440bhp). I absolutely love driving it, it is and always has been my favourite of the Skyline GTR models in terms of how it looks. I think whatever mods have been done to the car in this video have possibly ruined it’s handling. I am running TEIN lowering springs on standard shocks and it handles lovely, it is stiff but still pretty smooth and very predictable even with the HICAS still functioning. I respect and appreciate all models of course but the R32 and R34 are too boxy and un-aerodynamic for my taste. I’ve had mine 10 years and it is the love of my life.
The video was great. The car sounded great. Totally love the 90’s JDM era. Keep’em coming!
Just wanted to say I do love to watch your videos. A shaky camera is the least of my concerns as I’m more interested in how well you communicate the way you feel driving the car. This is hands down best channel for this on RUclips. Thank you for your hard work and God Bless.
when I was a kid, I got ps1 from my grandpa, and the first game I've ever played on that ps1 was gran turismo 1 and this car is my first car on that game, and since then I'm always like R33 GTR more than R32 and R34
Another brilliant and honest review, many thanks for that.
Had mine 12yrs now, R33 GTR series 3, spent a lot on it...amazing car. Still puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. 😁
Cracking job listing the mods jay 👌 and my god those intake noises 😍😍😍
I think this has been the best series you have done and I love the r33 gtr
I like the look of the 33 the best, good stuff as usual
“I need to avoid full throttle”
*brbrbrBRAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH BRAAAAAAAAAAAH BRAAAAAAAAH*
That was avoiding full throttle too!
Great quality video, excellent 👍🏻
Good stuff. Nice review and great to see someone creating well constructed content and treating peoples cars with respect! Nothing has the front end feel and driving experience of a 32. Just building a group A car myself.
Great video Jay I really enjoyed it 👍 I’m looking forward to the R34 video. That’s my favourite Skyline.
Loving the skyline saga mate💪
Whether you love the R33 or not, you have to agree it has and awesome looking rear end. Never seen rear lights look so mean.
That intro really fills your confidence when you first drive it...
Great video. Most coilovers on these are either too harsh (or too old and in need of refresh) for uk roads. It’s also common for spring rates to Be mismatched. And many also require insane speed and commitment to display the traits they are famous for which is a bit daft on public roads. But all generations can feel special even at low speeds if set up well, as the 32 demonstrated. Thanks for these videos all the cars look great.
That car sounds epic, brings back memories 👍
It sounds epic!
Surprised the chap who lent you his at short notice, didn't get a 'he must be good because his name is James' reference!
Liking the comparison so far, thank you.
Looks absolutely fantastic!
Love the intro
I love the R33 it looks so good
That howl is majestic.
Always loved these R33's.
J's great videos I tend to save them like you best last piece of a meal so looking forward to the 34 and this series. Also a warning to any JDM Brothers out there have a Civic Type R fn2 and my cat was stolen off it so be aware that they're going for other cars. I think there was some horses missing from this guy's set up so you got a feel for him it's probably not set up properly yet. To be fair I like all three but I'm looking forward to the 34.👍
This might be controversial, but for me this is easily the best looking of the 3 and the 2nd best looking Skyline of them all. My profile picture makes my views on the best looking one pretty obvious! Sure it wasn't the game changer that the R32 was or the last of the great trilogy that the R34 was so it'll never have as much of a legendary status, but it's still a proper GT-R. Also this one sounds insane, bit too loud for my taste but it's a good sound.
Always liked these
It looks and sounds epic!!!!😍😍😍
I’ve always thought that if specced correctly, this is definitely the MEANEST looking skyline
I definitely think you need to drive another few R33's, like you say it very much depends on the modifications, certainly worth trying one without coilovers!
I shall certainly be trying
@@JayEmmOnCarstry and find a Nismo 400r
Nice video James. I do believe driving standard examples of each car would make the comparison much more balanced, though obviously sourcing unmolested examples of all three is a hard task in itself. For me a Midnight Purple R33 Nismo 400R is the one, just a shame they only made 44 and are now upwards of £250,000!
Oh boy, if only they were still worth £250,000. 😓🤣
The perfect skyline spec for me!
No GTR deserves hate.. Ever.
Yup. End of.
I love mine r33, someday i'll also buy gt-r version and there will be two in my garage :D
I’ve been looking into buying a r33 how reliable is it if I were to drive it almost daily no modifications
@@Vystoh I don't drive mine r33 daily. It is stock 80k km car, just exhaust and fmic, it did 270km on the dyno. I did about 10k km in 3 years with one trackday without a single problem ;) just basic maintenance like oil change, timing belt change, and one small leak from cam cover. I have two friend who drive their skylines daily. First one has r33 gts25 with 70k km and he did 20k in one year without issues. Second friend has r34 gtt with 200k km and he did 10k in one year, with basic maintenance. As long as you keep them stock they are rock solid cars.
The double edged sword that is 90's JDM cars. The fervid, nostalgic fondness vs the lunacy of current asking prices. I never thought I'd see the day where a 575M or 599 GTB could be bought for less than an R34 Skyline. And that's before I mention the Asda savings in the back pocket.
Here in Japan you can buy a gate Murcie, 550 Maranello, and a McLaren 12C for the price of a BNR34. Some of the rarer cars are selling for more than the cost of a LFA
Same thing air-cooled Porsches did a few years before the JDM price surge (and E30 M3s to a lesser extent). I think some of them have "jumped the shark" and the prices are now only a reflection of the rarity and not of the actual driving experience, but when there are a limited number that is only shrinking because they're not produced anymore, and the amount of people that want one far exceed the amount available, that's what happens. Sigh.
@@jsquared1013 Such a melancholic truth! I can't help but wonder where we'll end up next. Sport cars (in my youth) were many things to many people -form, function and finances. Those who could not afford an RX-7 (like myself), were fortunate to still have entry with an MX-5. The little brother to the big. Obviously they are of no comparison where top trumps is concerned, but with one exception. How they made you feel as a driver. And it was that passion above all else, to all enthusiasts. Sadly, that is no longer the case.
It is definitely the most sedate looking of the 3, and when you consider most owners/enthusiasts are late 20's / early 30's, so they are usually looking for a more aggressively designed car. Whereas the sedate looking version allows you to enjoy yourself as you get older, without feeling slightly ridiculous like one might in a louder car.
I've always seen the R33 as the most aggressive looking one of the 3. I've always seen the R32 as the most sedate looking.
6:18 OMG it sounds GLORIOUS!
Who on earth could hate the legendary R33 GTR?!! Dream car as an 18 year old from playstation 1 days! lol
Favorite of the 32-33-34 series. Well, the body style at least. Dream car would be one with switched out modern running gear in that odd purple.
Gotta, say the R33 has always been my fave.
It was the fastest car in the Nurburgring when it came out that year and the only model to actually feature a bespoke variant in the form of the 400R. The 33 is more GT, with its extra cabin room whereas the 32 is an outright racer.
The Nurburgring lap times are irrelevant and only used as a marketing tool to sell more units. Its not a true test of vehicle superiority as there 4 different tracks here where the BNR34 wiped the floor with the BCNR33
@@KeenanStyles the Nurburgring time is relevant because it is one of the few tracks that has such a wide variety of corners, straights, elevation changes, etc on a closed course. It's not the end-all for performance, just like a 0-60 time or a skidpad number doesn't tell the whole story, but it's a very good indicator. Of course the R34 was faster on many courses than the R33 (he didn't even say that it _wasn't_ , just that it was the _first_ to that particular milestone). R34 was a later car and obviously they made improvements! Just like all sportscar manufacturers do for new generations of car. But the jump in performance from R32 to R33 was a bigger jump than R33 to R34 (in terms of front suspension geometry, chassis stiffness, electronic controls, etc). As was the case with most generational successions around that time frame, as CAD/FEA/CFD tools became significantly more effective and engineers were able to make large leaps in chassis stiffness and improved suspension geometry without much weight gain. Then as time went on, those returns diminished. Examples of this are the leap from GC to GD STi compared to GD to GR (if you don't factor in the switch to rear double-wishbone but look mostly at chassis structure and such), the leap from Z32 to Z33 being more significant than Z33 to Z34, the differences in M3s from E36 to E46 vs E46 to E90 (again, not factoring in the switch from I-6 to V8 but focusing on chassis and interior and etc), Porsche 993 to 996 vs 996 to 997 (although 964 to 993 was arguably a larger change than even the switch to watercooling!), and many other examples. Not many cars these days can boast of a 75% or 100% or 120% increase in torsional rigidity from one generation to the next, yet that's what was happening during generational changes in the 90s.
Jay you need to drive this car again once its tuned and you can rev it out, the R33 is my favorite. This one might need a new set of coilovers and alignment if its darting around, it should rip around the corners with ease more like the R32 you just tested.
Really enjoy your vids but if I can make one simple request then that would be to have the intro and end music volume reduced to a calmer level. Compared to your narrative volume the music just booms and is deafening when listening through earphones. 👍
I love R33 GT-Rs!! I love its sleek looks and it's my favorite car with the same age as I am!
you should get a mic setup under the bonnet, noriyaro did this before on a random drifting video and it works well when you splice the audio together with random comentary
wow what a sound !
Aren't all 3 skyline's going to have different suspension and exhaust systems from stock. Likely since they all have modified engines anyway.
I feel like the comparisons are going to be fairly redundant if they aren't original
Yeah, a comparison of these 3 cars is more a comparison of the mods and the modder rather than the cars at this point. For example if one has HICAS and the other has a delete then its already rather pointless because with/without HICAS makes them drive so differently. I have an R33 GTR which was stock when I got it apart from a big FMIC, what it was and how it drove then to what it’s like now; it feels like a different car entirely. I suppose it’s a good segway into the joys of modification though.
The reason for that is that it is _extremely_ difficult to find a GT-R that hasn't been modified. Same with just about all of the 90s JDM cars, and even with modern stuff like the Evo and STI and R35 😆
Definitely the best looking. The styling is well refined and everything about the body work just blends together so nicely. The 32 and 34 look so disjointed, like parts bin cars.
Gotta say the sound's my favourite out of the 3 cars.
Any chance that a KPGC10 and KPGC110 review would come from the UK? I know its a long shot. But for some reason people think there are only 4 GT-R models.
They are too rare, worth too much. The ones you see running around are almost all fakes, with L series engines
Suspension comment was spot on.
It was designed to go fast and there it is perfect.
Same with range rover sport. Stupidity hard ride, but once you go off road you know immediately that you drive on honey! Perfection!
Any chance of seeing Sunny/Pulsar GTi-R?
seen one of these yesterday on a motorway in Ireland. 👍
Used to see a few GTIRs about my way years ago. Always liked them proper little weapons. Shame the gearboxes were weak and the SR motors don't make a nice sound
@@chappy2121 I seen one today the owner didn't get tho memo about weak gearbox it launched wellhard. They don't seem as fast as they did back then but good to see it being used properly
@@chappy2121 I had one, sounded great with a Mongoose exhaust. The gearbox was fine too, I think abuse killed off some which may have contributed to the ‘chocolate’ gearbox saying. I regret selling mine so much. It had 280bhp (rolling road) and was quick, even to today’s standards.
Has anyone got the Top Gear review of this? It was in 1996 and Jeremy Clarkson tested a black one. I've search high and low online but cannot find it.
It’s the Jun hyper lemon
My favourite of the 3 by a long way
The R33 reminds me of american big power sedans like the Pontiac G8 and Pontiac GTO. Maybe even the Ford Taurus SHO or Dodge Charger.
I love the Rays wheels
11:40 I sympathize with that blue hatchback, while commuting to work at dawn for 3 years-ish I had a white R33 GTS on my tail almost every single day. Me sporting a gawdy red Legacy B4 I guess this person started recognizing me because they didn't overtake me until we reached the open part of the road (car has plenty of power judging how fast they did catch to me after the turns plus almost not traffic at 4am in a backroad of a third world country), it was until I bought a Focus (hence the blue hatchback part) and driving it with the stock exhaust to notice how good that car did sound while engine braking while going down the steep hills near my town
Best looking Skyline in my opinion.
@@charu1473 I'm into most things...
That car sounds bloody beautiful, jesus
That r32 is also stunning though
Owned a r32 and an r33. Where I'm from, we see the r34 as the odd one that went completely blocky in styling keeping only the round tail lights. At the same time, the r34 was the next one to perform beyond it's specs like the r32.
The R33 Series doesn't deserve any hate at all. Back in its days It made a lot of R32 owners (waiting to upgrade) and fanboys unhappy because it was so radically different from the outside, with its rounded shape and longer wheelbase. Nissan reverted a lot of that when releasing the R34 and gained a lot of former R32 owners back. It has a rightful place in the line of GTR heritage.
A lot respect for those cars in 2020 still
3:59 was that acceleration dubbed?? Guessing maybe it's the Japanese theme. Never before have I heard a car boot it whilst managing to barely move...
Anyway, great vid! Loving these Skylines...
He wasn't booting it there, trust me
I hated the HICAS on my '89 GTS-t. When I first arrived on Okinawa I knew I wanted a Skyline but my wife told me I had to have the family car. And there on the lot was 4-door R32 GTS-t with a 5-speed lol. I bought her a Toyota supercharged MR-2 so she could have the sports car. When my car had a catastrophic gearbox failure I bought a '93 non-turbo GTS and loved it to death. Without the HICAS the rear felt more planted in corners,
0:10 the sign of a true enthusiasts car!😂👍
WOW, it does SHOUT!
Thanks James for James's R33 in Covid lockdown sorry still love it and i hope you drive the 4 door and the GTS-T also and as you said racing 4wd circuits' on GranTurismo PS game is awesome :))
Many of these videos are filmed weeks or sometimes months prior. When he featured my Z, that was about a 4-6 week gap from filming to publishing.
Love my '97 v-spec
what happened to your Celica Gt4?
3:55 - sold! Want one
Pennzoil, Calsonic or Unisia Jecs? What's everyone's favorite livery?
Pennzoil!
Not many people cover the DR30. If you do that one, you may get a lot of hits. And no one does the R31. I don't even know what those are like.
what s the song of the intro ? thanks
R33 was always my fav
R33 has always been my fave
I had a mint R33 GTST with a rising sun stage 1 remap and a steel turbo, Totally rot free as it had only been in the Uk for 4 years, My brother did a back to bare metal repaint in Nismo red, Sold it about 7 years ago for 4.5K! Wish i hadn't, It's worth about 15K+ now! 😭
Epic car
Feeling poked, from the rear end, is not always a bad thing.
The R33 has always been my favorite of them all
When the original gran turismo 1st came out, there was only 1 car: r33 gtr. 32 seemed obsolete already
Exactly. I don't like one. I love it.
This is my favorite
The reason you are getting a push from the rear is the transfer case clutch setup is worn so not enough transfer goes to the front wheels. If the lights are on the dash for the HICAS then the G sensor is gone and its running rear wheel only. Its not the character of the car.
The car nobody likes
Me: That’s my favourite Skyline 😂
tbh this is my dream car i hope that i doesnt skyrocket like r34 and r32
I've always liked the R33 best.