S1: Goa, Vasco da Gama, Francis Xavier, Vijayanagara Empire & Saraswati | Shefali Vaidya ji Explains
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Indians will prefer listening to Bollywood music than know their history
so true
Hindus are beginning to open their eyes and please be patient with them for they are an antique race existing in eternity and beyond time. The children of 'The Ancient Mother' of all goodness and tolerance, needs time for the awakening process!
@@treeoflife666 Right bro but we must try our Best to Tell others and spread reality of Hinduism
You're damn right. I refused to watch any Indian movies and TV series long before because they are against Hindu dharma and intellect. Everyone in India should boycott those crappy, evil sensation.
Idea of Bollywood was basically based on distorting minds of Indians away from real issues and make cultural slaves of Christianity so that no Vivekananda Subhash take birth in India
I request to shefali ji to go to college and university and enlighten people, they all are sleeping and enjoying their life without caring the amount of brutal behavior our ancestors phases
This talk brought me to tears! My forefathers also suffered! I heard it every day! Thank you for sharing. Greetings from Portugal to my sweet, beautiful India.
You have Hindu roots. That's great
This is just a trailer. If you really want the hard hitting version watch this speaker's entire video on sangam talks. What was done in the name of religion is atrocious.
But why Catholics in goa are not lik u ...they say we are proud catholic and they came from roam ....evn though I know they were conveterted
@@lifearoundwesternghats We are proud Christians. We found our real Saviour Lord Jesus Christ. we don't regret and our ancestors made the right decision.
@@peacebeuponyou.2771 Ok be happy ....
Biggest problem is we never attacked ARABIA and ROME even for our defense. if we had done this. This never happened to our mother land and our people.
@Politically WOKE Hindus not Attack, but definitely offensive defense.
@Politically WOKE Hindus we can't, as it will effect our economy, but proxy war with constant bashing, till we are strong economy..
If the presmise under which you attempt to reason is that your ancestors were weak and easily duped thus leaving them vulnerable to conquest...and there is ample evidence to support this thesis... How can you be certain that the same is not now happening? This is merely a change in agents of the opperation by central casting, camouflaged by a similar skin colour.
@@djcudworth2355 how many churches are destroyed by current compensation, how come number of Christian numbers are increasing, missionaries are fearlessly abusing hindu deties and culture, this does not happen under oppression
Samrat vikramaditya attacked n captured Rome empire and paraded Rome King in Ujjain. But unfortunately people think it is a myth.
I think it is a very good presentation of the hidden history of Goa. In fact I met a Goa Christian who told me how the Portuguese used to convert Goanese Hindus. He said Hindus were brought in the open and were asked to convert and if they didn't they will shoot. Yes it is a hidden history and should be unearthed for the benefit of progeny. Similar thing happened in Chennai where the Portugese moved the famous Kapaleswar temple area from Santhome Beach and establish the landmark Santhome church.
currently there is a planned severe conversion going on in Tamil Nadu, by the Pentacostal mission and CSI. They break families by asking people to remarry someone from the Xtian faith. Drivers, Security people, cleaners, clerical staff, municipal workers are all easy targets and forcibly converted. When they get into a taxi or auto, they force the driver to remove all religious symbols of the drivers faith. Atrocities in the name of religion. Paul Dinakarans family , Lazarus etc are the ones behind conversions like this. Soon TN will lose all the Hindus.
@@LuzianJ it is reality not story bro
So many eras of persecution Hindus generations have faced! The Bharathiyas did not even think of moving out of their country and expand , and yet these extremists don't let us live in our own motherland with peace and development!
@Politically WOKE Hindus that's not the solution, we need to be United, and educate all, and not be pseudo seculars, all should be respected to carry out their religious way to seek Divine. Indigenous ways of life in their own countries should not be persecuted.
@@angryindian7568 Agreed! none of the section persecution should be neglected and we better learn from past and treat each other equally important part of social structure live harmoniously.
@@ssv3851 , We cannot live in harmony when certain religions propagate killing, looting, converting and rape of people of other faiths
Shefali I am totally with you. We have a small group who actively educate people of the atrocities of the past and covert operations going on in Madhya Pradesh Punjab Kerala Tamil nadu ect not to forget the east. We would be delighted to seek your guidance. Jai Goem
Sir you commented this two years ago and now we can see that punjab conversions are happening in open and their govt is neglecting.
This Vijanagara empire protected Hindus of southern subcontinent atleast for 300 years.
Sanatana Dharm is everlasting, nor beginning neither end.
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No guarantee it will last unless we are will to stand up for it
That's not true...if shivaji, prithvi raj chauhan, kings who fought battle of Rajasthan to stop arab invasion...would have thought like you then we would have been finished....china has started protecting it's land from church and muslims...we should learn from them (I do not support communists).
@@_vs04 Yes this is guaranteed if we will be united
@@_vs04 we must motivate other Hindus to be united. jai Shivaji
Hats off madam . We need teach the children our own history .
Thank you sister for revealing the truth. Take your lectures even to the deep south create an awakening of Hindu Renaissance. God Bless and Protect you. From South Africa
Portugal should be publically condemned and shamed by all of India. Their establishments or remnants of those establishments should be brought down. No apologies non should be given.
Are you Indian? If so, please enlighte with your knowledge;
1) How many indians were killed by the portugueses?
2) How many indian were killed by the British?
And yet you speak english, the language of your biggest colonizers.
Isn't that pathetic?
Nice mam you are doing good job for Indians
These events should be included in our history text books
Waiting for your book....mam. It will definitely bring some changes in Hindu community.
I have heard a priest rebuking catholic girls harshly for wearing punjabi dress or even sporting bindis on foreheads and youngsters for visiting local jatra with their hindu friends. Nauseating.
A village in Maharashtra close to Goa.
If u use the word christian priest here....People will understand it much better
Cos they were breaking the first commandment, n not to mention bindi is a thing that represents shivas third eye, who basically is a demon
come back to your homr....come back to hinduism embrace MAHADEV
@@russelord1 , Jesus is a demon. Not Shiva
Jesus is fake
This is why Christian conversions have to be opposed in India at all costs.
Thank you for telling us the true history of Goa , Portuguese rule, conversion and torture
Are you Indian? If so, please enlighte with your knowledge;
1) How many indians were killed by the portugueses?
2) How many indian were killed by the British?
And yet you speak english, the language of your biggest colonizers.
Isn't that pathetic?
Gratitude for exposing Francis Xavier who all go and pray without knowing the horror of this man
Wow! Madame Shefali Vaidya - In our published book we do quote Goa inquisition and also talk to people about this. Please don't feel that you are all alone out there dealing with this subject. Your gene is very antique though and my Namaskaram from Kochi. I have many Konkan friends here and they are admirably great group of people intact.
@@TheFestivalofBharat I hate to follow cause it is not the Hindu way but rather a Semitic way. But still i can closely observe FoB!
Please write a book .Would love to read more about the history of the Inquisition of Goa. Also, would love to read the history of Goa before the Portugese. Love from Bengal.
Good presentation thank you for your diligent work.
Madam/Shrimati Shefali Vaidhya
GOA--VASCODAGAMA--SAINT XAVIER
Wached yr video to know about Goa.
Earlier muslim/Christian invadors with the guidance from their Saintly/ruling class did all utrocities in the name of religion for hundreds of years. Further i would like to add the communist historians of India, intellectuals aided by the secular converted politicians of India (noted amongst them is one particular political family) who are also EQUALLY RESPONSIBLE in distorting the entire history of India to suit their convenience and rule which are taught in schools and colleges, Their reach is very lengthy.
If native religion has survived all this opression and still exists today, it is because the native religion copied the great SARASWATHY RIVER WHICH IS STILL FLOWING IN INDIA YET NOT TRACEABLE.
VATSA BANGALORE
Thank you Madam for glorious reminding our past. Entire Hindu population have gone thru similarly
I never knew this facts about goa!thnx for sharing such facts!
Terrific Shefali ma'am!! I wish more people would come forward and do such research and study and then share it with all because as you said, people live in absolute denial and prefer to see everything with rose tinted glasses rather than to face the naked truth or the stark reality!! We are also Gowd Saraswat Brahmins and our temple in Goa actually has the documented facts of the names of the Hindu people who converted or rather who were forced to convert and their Christian names after conversion!! And that was so sad and horrifying to read.
Very well explained. Came to know many things about Goan Christians...
Are you Indian? If so, please enlighte with your knowledge;
1) How many indians were killed by the portugueses?
2) How many indian were killed by the British?
And yet you speak english, the language of your biggest colonizers.
Isn't that pathetic?
Vidya ji, great work. Let us all know our real history. You are the role model. Keep it up. Jai Hind.
I feel ashamed of not knowing about such a deep history of our land. Hearing this made me think once more how much do I really know about the history of India
Hats off to you madam for enlightening us.
Are you Indian? If so, please enlighte with your knowledge;
1) How many indians were killed by the portugueses?
2) How many indian were killed by the British?
And yet you speak english, the language of your biggest colonizers.
Isn't that pathetic?
Best narration of factual events we are grateful to her and sponsor of this historical truths to public knowledge
You have shed light on a very dark, sinister and unknown part of Goan history. We salute you for highlighting this painstaking and factual era which no one wants to address. God Bless You. Jai Hind.
Thank you!
Please explain Ganga Jamuna and Saraswati....and what do you plan to achieve by reliving a past, best forgotten
Shefali I did my graduation in Konkani in 1998 . I am surprised that we were not even teached all the cruel things that this Portuguese did to us. Even my father who was a student at that time was telling me about them. Now my daughter is also studying Konkani she has been taught about vadle ghor, Aut de fe and everything that we didn't even heard. I learnt a lot from her. It should be the duty of govt to teach our students from the begining the history of Goa and everything in detail including the bad side then only they will realise how good was the Portuguese rule. Atleast our future generations will not praise them.
She has guts to speak that truth which many goan Hindus even aftr knowing not able to say when their catholic friend make them feel inferior ....been goan I can't imagine the amount of hate this lady must b getting ... goan catholic have strong unity ...they are informed about such happing by church priest in every Sunday mass ....they massivly target the person who even utter word agaist Catholicism
Are you Indian? If so, please enlighte with your knowledge;
1) How many indians were killed by the portugueses?
2) How many indian were killed by the British?
And yet you speak english, the language of your biggest colonizers.
Isn't that pathetic?
No no it is the mistake of IAS IPS and Historians why not they said this....
The truth must be known in details.
our first education minister was madarsachap lollllll,, and this isnt joke
Good job madam,we support you
And "Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it" .
Goa is best as compared to all indian states. I feel very safe as an northeastern in goa. 🤘
Commendable efforts 🙏🙏
Exactly... you don't need to crib & cry about the past..
but if you don't know your history with it's appended atrocities, how do you, in the future avoid the same/similar from happening again?
Really appreciate her work on this....
we need to document history of persecution of hindus by invaders properly in a scientific way .not like hindus had invented aeroplane .the history of persecution of hindus in 1947 is not properly documented especially of dalits and lower strata of society
Hindus had indeed invented aeroplane. Read Viman Shastra. It's really sad that Hindus don't even believe in their ancient scriptures
Sanatan Dharma (Hinduism) is science
Talking about the past.. & spitting venom against a particular community will not serve any purpose but only create a divide among people.... Goans from different faiths at present
are living in communal harmony..... The ones who oppressed and those who suffered are dead and gone..... If so much hatred in brewing in our minds than why are goans migrating to Europe on a Portuguese passport?
I would highly appreciate
If this speaker would shed some light on the upper caste oppression of d backward caste post liberation.
No party is best but bjp is better than all. Under bjp rule hindus nd muslim both r safe. I know that muslim brother will never vote for bjp so all hindus should vote for bjp. Why we hindu guys r not united, we should learn unity from other religion
In Goa Christian donot vote BJP because then their conversion activities are stoped
In the back there is written .
Incredible india
Medivial christianity was very fanatical and conservative. Especially Spanish and Portuguese rulers.
Modern Christianity is not any different. They're still converting people and digesting their culture, traditions etc
I'm a Saraswat Brahmin and I have got some knowledge on this as my parents and grand parents used to tell how they fled from goa and settled in kochi. But I never realised the torture was so severe and inhuman and continued for centuries. Mam with due respect why don't we urge our honourable p.m to remove that Francis Xavier church and his stinking mummy over there
St. Francis xavier is a patron saint of Goa.. as long as he is Goa.. we are safe... whatever may be the history.. whatever happened is because God allowed this to happen.. St. Francis xavier won people's heart by love only.. that's y people from Goa loves him.. pls do not create religious riots here... just mind your own business
@@constanciodomnicpereira750 He will forever be our patron saint of Goa. jalne Wale zalege. Ppl of Goa knows the truth How St. Francis was against Saraswat Brahmin s treatment towards lower cast ppl. He was even against Portuguese.
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Very Sad story...tears in eye....still the sanatani Hindus are divided like obc, SC, ST, Brahman, Kshtrya, Baysya, and gulam of politicians....if we want to save our dharma.....be innovate and fight......
Why don`t we ever hear ABHIJIT CHAVDA complain about these Portuguese Catholic atrocities in Goa ?! Chavda complains incessantly about the British Protestants in India ?!!
Can we talk about Hindu atrocities committed by Indic kingdoms in indo China and Indonesia ?
Absolute non sense... A true Indian can never do.. Its a fake thing you are promoting or illusion...
Marathas tried their best to save Goa for some period, thats why still majority hindus are in Goa, Salute to Shivaji & Sambhaji Maharaj. Yes Marathas ruled most parts of India for almost 150 years after mughal rule, we could see Goa free from portuguese during 18th century if they could defeat portuguese totally during their rule over India.
Aaplog bohot aachha kam kar rahe hain sachchai batake.Lekin Hinduon ko kuchh fark nahi parta,paththar ban gaya.
Which are some of the most peaceful areas of India currently ? Who are some of the most peaceful peoples of India currently ? Is it not the Goans and the Goa area. This is why the peacenik hippies set up shop. With so much violence going on in India, the only place where one can get some respite is Goa. If the rest of India behaved like Goa, it would be a much better place than what we see now.
Which religion forgets the harrassment and atrocities of other religions will perish soon
All things went wrong after fall of Vijayanahar Empire....in south Mighty Vijayanagar Empire had guarded India andn hinduvta for cemturies
You should also teach this to colleges
Colleges are run by communists and missionaries.. They won't allow her to teach
How many institutions in India bear the name St Xavier's ? Time for Hindus and Christians to come together, protestants, orthodox and nationalists come together , this is the time
We in South India are thankful to the Vijayanagara Kingdom for saving Hindus otherwise it would have been like North India
I hope Christians of Goa, Karnataka, Kerala, Maharashtra are following her.
@@LuzianJ okay enjoy the slavery. How come somebody telling tha facts becomes a hate mongerer? RIP logic
@@LuzianJ I have done my research on this part of history. I am from Goa myself and my ancestors witnessed the horrors done by Christians. How shamelessly can you defend the abusers? This shows your sick mentality. Converts like you never miss a chance to show their loyalty to their masters. Disgusting af!
Everything and everywhere touched by Abrahamic Faiths/Religions was touched by evil. The touch and effect of Abrahamic Faiths/Religions was evil.
Lol...so says the religion of demons and cow
🚩🕉 Various religions in the world can be broadly classified in to just *two* groups; the 'group' of religions permitting eating *beef (cow meat)* and the 'group' of religions which do not even think of killing cows, since *Cows are considered as our mothers & God.* 🚩🕉🚩 The word *'Hindu'* , in my view, encompasses all the religions *_(but definitely excluding the two Abrahamic religions, Christianity and Islam)_* and all the people belonging to Sikh, Jain, Boudha, Hindu, Sanaatana Dharma communities and even including those belonging to Parsi & Jews communities, etc. 🕉 People belonging to all the afore_said religions _which are branded by me under a simple term 'Hindu'_ like each other and live as a single community. 🕉 _We 'Hindus' do not interfere in the lives of others._ *Also, we 'Hindus' do not like those who interfere in Our lives; and also, we hate those who try to convert us in to christianity* 🚩🕉🇮🇳🕉🚩
Sanatan Dharma is Hinduism. Other faiths are man made
Sanatan Dharma (Hinduism) is the oldest Dharma
Very nice story ..😂😂😂
"secular, for the lag of a better word" - hahaha
The orator is storyteller not a historian. She knows what Timojja must have thought about giving money to the Portuguese 😂 What about religion sanctioned atrocities conducted by Hindus against their own based on their still existing caste system. One can say that the Hindus have been oppressing their own since their caste system was established
To destroy a culture internally, there are more not very crude and apparent ways of doing things. Persecution is only an extreme choice, they could also slowly take away the practices. Its difficult because india is a diverse kind were people were taught only certain type of professions they needed in order to survive. Rest of the time its about spirituality. So moving from the way of one land to another and living there required a lot of sacrifices. If a bunch of haenas were to capture a deer and decides to take it on a wrong place, the lion wouls sniff it out and get rid of them. Traces can be very lethel. Leaving a trace when invading can back fire even if its for small things. They were very cautious in making the enquiry so that the practices were entirely destroyed
It's really sad to watch outsiders make remarks on Hindu Population rise in Goa
Please watch the Video link mentioned below
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Thank u Shefaliji for this wonderful insights
Are you Indian? If so, please enlighte with your knowledge;
1) How many indians were killed by the portugueses?
2) How many indian were killed by the British?
And yet you speak english, the language of your biggest colonizers.
Isn't that pathetic?
Brilliant work
And they label rohingya persecution as " genocide ".
Why back in English..no Hindi Or Tamil
Whatever you say we are safe in Goa then rest of India. And also a peaceful State. You Hindus are dividing us and disturbing our peace. Past is past lets live the future in peace.
When half or more than that, wealth of india was taken by british and people were barely even able to survive with the depressing economy, I don't think they could afford to think of the hurtful past. In our school, kids started sleeping with eyes opened even when the subject of history came, they don't even care about their own parents history. Indian history is way too much for them. All these things would be interesting if all of their life was lead based on family culture. Now that they are more under modern ways, these things are like headache to remember because all they care about is luxury. Its the way the education is conducted
lzydwg people preacj about peace but once you put them in the middle of syria war or make them not eat for few days, we'll see how peaceful they get. They think that peace is something to be achieved outside. It doesn't work like that. The moment human beings put their peace outside towards some social conditions or situations, they are bound to suffer
As for ignoring history, its like I said. Nobody has time to keep on learning things. Life doesn't exist to download information like that. If it happened we can learn but there shouldn't be other things to do, instead of turning this into a history subject to carry on shoulder, it'd be better if these events are discussed by common masses like they do with mahabharata or ramayana. Because burdening human beings with more activities will reduce their current life to perform dharma at present. This is not an excuse, this is the reason or as in, this is the situation. The correct thing to do here is to change the current times properly
lzydwg this is from a common stand point of how life works existantially. You don't need to compare
lzydwg oh you touch my heart. But seriously though, may be the reason why people ignore history is because its not given much importance in india. I mean the demands for other professions is high compared to history
lzydwg don't be too intolerant and impatient, like I said before. Existantially speaking, we don't have that kind of a situation to keep on going with the history. Well, if you can turn these things.into a normal conversation of the masses then maybe it'll work
lzydwg its a matter of preferences, we cant impose to learn history like that without giving importance to human beings and how they should be. Everyone has wants but the way of the life is beyond that. Not insulting history here. From the history they learned, its more socially inclined so they go for communism but the history here clears things up
Albuquerque banned sati and allowed the soldiers to marry local women🎉🎉🎉
We need to call the bluff of alien forces who are doing the dirty work on behalf of alien forces out to break Bharat
India had seen so much violence during Mahabharata that they became non voilent.and after that mahaveer and budhha came and taught non voilence. That made india non voilent. So even small groups like Portuguese came and ruled India.
British never tried to convert
Nope, they killed 100 millions indians, that's all
Sad really sad
1500 Portuguese Goa rule now like water under the bridge, talk now why a secular country is moving away from being secular in 2022.
Everyone has the right to believe what faith they want to believe in without persecution !
Hindus and Christians in goa are united despite present dispensation trying to create rift in goa...by telling history from shakha
I request all the friends here to share this Utube clip on Facebook, what's app and other social media to create awareness among people.Thank you.
And all nonsense people who commenting here please do a survey how Hindu and Christians living in peace in Goa.
communists syllabus...never addresses such things
Was there a genocid?
@@LuzianJAre you Indian? If so, please enlighte with your knowledge;
1) How many indians were killed by the portugueses?
2) How many indian were killed by the British?
And yet you speak english, the language of your biggest colonizers.
Isn't that pathetic?
Problem with Hinduism is casteism.Unless Hindus get rid of casteist mentality they will be under threat from other religions. Upper caste Hindus are sitting and deliberating on how they were persecuted.If they had applied their brains and united all Hindus and fought together India would have been a super power today.Even today many upper caste Hindus treat and show indifference towards lower caste.unless Hindu religious practices are reformed there is no point in playing victim to other religions.
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There's no caste system in Hinduism. We have Varnas which is based on karma and not by birth. Caste system was introduced by the British to divide Hindus and rule them
Why people r not talking about this ...Is cos conversion took place in Goa ...Across all caste base।।।....And those converts of upper caste was given huge land ...And good posts under Portuguese rule ...U know batkars...Etc ....So there was economic inducment for upper caste to convert ....So since upper cast were involved in the conversion process ...Nobody is talking about it ....That's the facts ...And now christianity in ingrained in them and nobody regrets about their conversion to christianity ...They will remain christians forever ...
Lavda jesus lavda cristians😂
+ps pv what?
How shameless ur
This is closer to what I have read myself. Brahmans were the first to convert, and they did so for material gains.
@@hsraj-ue5lp , that's not complete story...they did convert to retain their ancestors land and practiced their faith even after conversion ...but later when Portuguese came to know about they began shooting them and forced them to abandon their faith. Read pinto revolt or see the studyiq video about goa atrocities.
Portugal should feel shamed and come forward to seek pardon for massacre of Hindus.
Are you Indian? If so, please enlighte with your knowledge;
1) How many indians were killed by the portugueses?
2) How many indian were killed by the British?
And yet you speak english, the language of your biggest colonizers.
Isn't that pathetic?
Even my ancestors were converted to Christianity but l definitely think it was that, they came to know of the good thing Christianity have in their religion, an I am proud of them because they converted to this religion were we consider everybody equal with no discriminations an we believe in the living god.
Shame.
Biggest scam in India ‘ o our textbooks’
Madam you don't know your history, st Francis Xavier was not involved in forced conversions .
She is talking about Portuguese. She is not clear about dates. There is no clarity in what she is talking. She need to to be well prepared when she talk about history.
It’s pretty clear, the Portuguese establishment the goan inquisition and tortured Hindus.
And these people of Goa still waiting in queue for hours to see the remaining preserved body st Francis Xavier and want to get blessings in every 14yrs.... ...what a ridiculous Indian mentality.... . We are not learning the lessons from past..... but he will get passport to Lisbon.....
MADAM HOW IS THAT YOU ARE STILL A HINDU YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN A MUSLIM OR A CHRISTIAN. PLEASE STOP YOUR HATRED FOR CHRISTIANS
Plz rg indiN in not ghati
you l'air
i dont think people where put to the stake because they had a tulsi plant but because the people practised witchcraft calling spirits etc
Don't worry Vaidya. Goa still has a very strong caste system, especially in the New Conquests. All isn't lost. You can still get your own chai cup. Ohh, maybe this won't affect you though. Let's talk caste next time. It's a fabulous system the hindu caste system. You're a fan? The Portuguese became and went. But caste lives on. You're not defeated! The festival of Bharat does live on.
I am a Indian but not a Goan but I know the Cast in India is a group of particular people/Ethnic group who share genetic ancestry and culture. there are 1000s of different ethnic groups of people or Casts present in India since 1000s of years. I would like to know, what is very strong cast system in Goa? I also know there are casts in Goan Christians also, from the ethnic groups/cast they converted. If different ethnic people( the casts ) can live together peacefully then what is your problem with the casts? Why would Portuguese interfere with the India's Ethnic groups(Casts) matter?. Did Indians ever interfere with Portuguese slavery practice?
brutal Catholic CHURCH. BRUTAL! brutal! brutal!
A historical fiction book can be written about this. Truth sells faster when slipped in fiction.