Yes Pickslanting 100% works. I spent 5 years stuck at a wall in my 20's, and I gave up guitar. I just could not play licks that involved string switching above a certain speed. I discovered pickslanting years later in my 30's. No hyperbole, it changed my entre outlook and confidence in guitar. I was no longer frustrated all of the time, I can now pick things so much more freely. And it doesn't take too long to learn the movements, but it DOES take many, many hours of practice to really develop and feel comfortable with. It is so worth it though!
I’m really trying to study and work hard on getting this technique down and it is very frustrating but I am not giving up and I will get it eventually because I want my speed to get to the next level🤘🏼
Aloha, just purchased your Zen of Speed Picking! Looking forward to the enhancements you mentioned as well. Now, it's just finding the time to dig in! Mahalo!!!
Definitely. Not sure why people would say pickslanting doesn't work, it's pretty much a geometric analysis of your picking trajectory. Perhaps some people say you shouldn't put too much thought into it and just focus on practice, but the thing is that if you know what you're practicing for, you can speed up process tenfold. I know this from experience. My biggest leaps in progress are NOT time and practice, it is figuring out what I'm doing inefficiently WHILE practicing.
@@jiimmyyy correct position being above the strings so that it's in the escape zone? Pickslanting is not a restrictive, hyper precise action, it's merely a technical aid that guitarists can follow to improve their alternate picking by switching the direction of momentum. Tldr - where the pick is going decides whether you're trapped underneath, or above the strings, free to pick any other string. Same logic is what makes string skipping possible. Up to a certain skill level, clean string changes can be done with less concious exertion of force in part due to experience and practice but also because you understand where the pick should be right after you pick the last note of a certain string. You say that it's predicated on the false assumption that your pick will be in the correct position. That is true. But pickslanting allows your pick to be in that position.
@@jiimmyyy That is literally what pickslanting is for, more specifically two way pickslanting. If you're slanting only one way the entire time of course you pick would be misplaced in more complex patterns.
@@Kriegter changing the slant angle doesn't help you here. Using the pickslanting technique, the only option you have for going from the G string to the B string is to use an upward escape. If you use a downward escape, the G string is in the way and you have to hop over it to hit the B string. If you use an upward escape, you can play the first three notes, but you have to pick down toward the body of the guitar to hit the B string, as you've used an upward escape to play the G string. Now when you want to play the E string, you have to hop over it in order to play it because you've had to pick into the guitar to get the B string.
I was 2 way pick slanting for 20 years but I never realized why I could play faster than most guitar players. It wasn’t until I saw Troy Gradys videos that I realized what I was doing.
Now apply the pickslanting principle to licks where the escape angle puts you in a bad position for the following note, instead of cherrypicking a passage that just so happens to avoid this incredibly common predicament.
@@justin.hombach play the G string twice, then the B string once, then the E string once. You need to use an upward escape to go from the G string to the B string. But then you're stuck when you try to go from the B string to the E string.
It is definitely a tricky one, but doable with pickslanting and the so called „snap movement“ as soon as you hit the B string you go instantly (a few milliseconds before you hit even) to upward pickslanting and then with the same method to downward pickslanting when you go to the E string. Boom and you are free again with the pick
Someone mentioned pick slanting and ask what slant I used. I recorded my playing and realized I'm mostly upward slanting but there I a few instances where I was subconsciously switching to a downward slant on 6 note per string runs. I've been playing 37 years and never thought of pick slanting until someone brought it up. I do both.
I guess if you play scales or multi-string runs at least at medium speed, you automatically do some sort of pick slanting. Otherwise you would hit strings constantly.
I prefer to use a primary motion plus a secondary helper motion, Troy's more updated look at what most people do, although he hasn't thrown away the two-way pickslanting concept. If you're a wrist player you should be able to generate the opposite escape from the same position for the occasional note when you need it and without changing pickslant, this is what Paul Gilbert does the majority of the time 🙂
Yeah but the Paul Gilbert way needs way to much force for most people to do… and not speaking about String Skipping here, when String Skipping is involved. It is even harder in my opinion, this is why I do far stuck with 2wps
@@justin.hombach I wouldn't say so, Andy Wood uses both wrist and forearm helper motions and he doesn't use loads of force and still does lots of string skipping stuff
@@JackR845 I didn‘t mean wrist movement with a little help by the forearm. I was talking about not doing 2 way pickslanting, because this is Andy definitely doing.
when i was starting learning guitar i copyed the little finger anchoring like jp, but now i see on instagram every fast guitarist wont do that anymore, for example baxty
It's strange to see/hear people talk about pick slanting so much in the last few years. When I first started on guitar it was a natural action to me? I didn't think I had "cracked a code".. to paraphrase. Quite the opposite I was told by several advanced players and teachers that I was "doing it wrong" and would fuck up my wrist.
Shit dude, you rip, congratulations! -It must feel good after all the years of practicing :) 1 question though: at 9:25, if you could clarify: If you're starting on a 3 notes per string pattern, you start with Upward PickSlanting immediately? Thanks ! (I'll give it a try anyways)
Yes, because when you want to move from a down stroke to the next string with an upstroke (doesn’t matter if inside or outside picking/going one string up or one string below) you need upward PS, otherwise you get stuck between the strings Thanks for your comment :)
@@justin.hombach Gotcha, thanks so much :) The way I was going about it is just switch in the very moment I need to, and keep DPS on all other occasions. I'll try this as well
I just wrote and then almost immediately deleted a comment, completely trashing "pick slanting", when I realized that it wasn't "pick slanting" I was complaining about, but rather a picking MOTION that is not perpendicular to the strings. I saw someone giving a guitar lesson on YoutTube telling students that they can speed up their picking by making the axis of motion about 45 degrees to the string which turned every attack of every note into the raunchiest, garbled trash grinding waste of fast picking, anyone ever came up with! When someone is playing complex 64th note riffs with an angled pick MOTION, it's grinding the pick over several of the strings' windings, turning what should be a single attack of each note into a pile of rattling garbage! It's nothing more than a cheat that you CAN'T NOT get caught at, because you can't hear the attack of ANY of your notes!
Hey. I bought the zen of picking. Its a journey. Takes longer than I thought but i discovered some weaknesses in my picking. What pick are you using? Looks thick. I tend to stay with 1 mm or thinner. Grüße
Thanks for the support! It is definetly a journey, that still even me challenges me every day… but I love it 😅 Celebrate the journey! Well I once did a video where I picked with a lot of items that I had on my desk, and there I realized: As long as your picking motion it self is fine, the choice of your pick isn‘t to important anymore. Small ones, thick ones, at a certain point it doesn‘t matter that much anymore :)
@Justin Hombach thanks for your reply. I will find the video. But this motivates me not to pay so much attention to the picks. A bad workman blames his tools 😉
When you say uneven number of notes, do you mean like odd amounts like 3,5,7? Or you mean uneven as in a different number of notes per string like 2 notes on one string and then 3 notes on the next? Cuz it seems like the 3 notes per string triplet runs, you're using 2 way slant to get around the D U D then U D U
Yeah and for some reason this is never touched. It's an enormous problem with the pickslanting concept but I never hear any of its proponents address it.
Nah I don‘t. I‘m Justin the Shredman! A shredman never talks to much, nor to less, he talks exactly that much as he means to! To say it with Gandalfs words
The closed captions kept saying "Pigs landing" 😂
The coolest thing about cc is that you often see “applause” whenever a heavily distorted guitar sounds 😂
🦵🏽🐖 💨 slanting!
Lmao
Yes Pickslanting 100% works. I spent 5 years stuck at a wall in my 20's, and I gave up guitar. I just could not play licks that involved string switching above a certain speed. I discovered pickslanting years later in my 30's. No hyperbole, it changed my entre outlook and confidence in guitar. I was no longer frustrated all of the time, I can now pick things so much more freely. And it doesn't take too long to learn the movements, but it DOES take many, many hours of practice to really develop and feel comfortable with. It is so worth it though!
Also I know Troy doesn't really use the term "pickslanting" anymore since a lot of movements involve different motions, but I still like to use it
I’m really trying to study and work hard on getting this technique down and it is very frustrating but I am not giving up and I will get it eventually because I want my speed to get to the next level🤘🏼
Aloha, just purchased your Zen of Speed Picking! Looking forward to the enhancements you mentioned as well. Now, it's just finding the time to dig in! Mahalo!!!
Great lesson man!
Definitely. Not sure why people would say pickslanting doesn't work, it's pretty much a geometric analysis of your picking trajectory. Perhaps some people say you shouldn't put too much thought into it and just focus on practice, but the thing is that if you know what you're practicing for, you can speed up process tenfold. I know this from experience. My biggest leaps in progress are NOT time and practice, it is figuring out what I'm doing inefficiently WHILE practicing.
It doesn't work because it's predicated on the false assumption that your pick will be in the correct position to play the next note.
@@jiimmyyy correct position being above the strings so that it's in the escape zone? Pickslanting is not a restrictive, hyper precise action, it's merely a technical aid that guitarists can follow to improve their alternate picking by switching the direction of momentum. Tldr - where the pick is going decides whether you're trapped underneath, or above the strings, free to pick any other string. Same logic is what makes string skipping possible. Up to a certain skill level, clean string changes can be done with less concious exertion of force in part due to experience and practice but also because you understand where the pick should be right after you pick the last note of a certain string. You say that it's predicated on the false assumption that your pick will be in the correct position. That is true. But pickslanting allows your pick to be in that position.
@@Kriegter no it doesn't, because the position of your pick is going to be determined by the angle you had to use to get there.
@@jiimmyyy That is literally what pickslanting is for, more specifically two way pickslanting. If you're slanting only one way the entire time of course you pick would be misplaced in more complex patterns.
@@Kriegter changing the slant angle doesn't help you here. Using the pickslanting technique, the only option you have for going from the G string to the B string is to use an upward escape. If you use a downward escape, the G string is in the way and you have to hop over it to hit the B string. If you use an upward escape, you can play the first three notes, but you have to pick down toward the body of the guitar to hit the B string, as you've used an upward escape to play the G string. Now when you want to play the E string, you have to hop over it in order to play it because you've had to pick into the guitar to get the B string.
00:34 the passage is one of the best and cleanest things I have ever heard :O thanks! you are just amazingly talented
Paul Gilbert where right. I like your tecnhique. Bravo Justin Guitarman.🤘🤘🤘🤘🎼🎼🎼👏👏👏
I was 2 way pick slanting for 20 years but I never realized why I could play faster than most guitar players. It wasn’t until I saw Troy Gradys videos that I realized what I was doing.
As a dedicated downward pick slanted I’m going to try this
Now apply the pickslanting principle to licks where the escape angle puts you in a bad position for the following note, instead of cherrypicking a passage that just so happens to avoid this incredibly common predicament.
Do you have an example? I never encountered something like this.
@@justin.hombach play the G string twice, then the B string once, then the E string once.
You need to use an upward escape to go from the G string to the B string. But then you're stuck when you try to go from the B string to the E string.
It is definitely a tricky one, but doable with pickslanting and the so called „snap movement“ as soon as you hit the B string you go instantly (a few milliseconds before you hit even) to upward pickslanting and then with the same method to downward pickslanting when you go to the E string. Boom and you are free again with the pick
@@jiimmyyy Demonstration snap movement
ruclips.net/video/Y8S4I_up1R4/видео.html
Here I made you a little video to demonstrate that abit better :)
Someone mentioned pick slanting and ask what slant I used. I recorded my playing and realized I'm mostly upward slanting but there I a few instances where I was subconsciously switching to a downward slant on 6 note per string runs. I've been playing 37 years and never thought of pick slanting until someone brought it up. I do both.
I guess if you play scales or multi-string runs at least at medium speed, you automatically do some sort of pick slanting. Otherwise you would hit strings constantly.
I prefer to use a primary motion plus a secondary helper motion, Troy's more updated look at what most people do, although he hasn't thrown away the two-way pickslanting concept.
If you're a wrist player you should be able to generate the opposite escape from the same position for the occasional note when you need it and without changing pickslant, this is what Paul Gilbert does the majority of the time 🙂
Yeah but the Paul Gilbert way needs way to much force for most people to do… and not speaking about String Skipping here, when String Skipping is involved. It is even harder in my opinion, this is why I do far stuck with 2wps
@@justin.hombach I wouldn't say so, Andy Wood uses both wrist and forearm helper motions and he doesn't use loads of force and still does lots of string skipping stuff
@@JackR845 I didn‘t mean wrist movement with a little help by the forearm. I was talking about not doing 2 way pickslanting, because this is Andy definitely doing.
Loving the content Justin, thank you!
your frets are slanted too.
😂😂😂 yes they arw
It’s so funny to me that people try to deny pickslanting/escape motions. It’s like people just don’t want others to get better at playing.
Nice playing Justin, very clean, can you tell us about the pick that you are using in this video, looks very pointy, thanks
10:31 that could be a song bro
cant wait for the next one
awosome video
the complexasisity.. I am just gonna have to get me organizized.
when i was starting learning guitar i copyed the little finger anchoring like jp, but now i see on instagram every fast guitarist wont do that anymore, for example baxty
aww yeah Troy Grady showed us this a few years ago i dont use it much since dont rrally play that type of stuff bow.
It's strange to see/hear people talk about pick slanting so much in the last few years. When I first started on guitar it was a natural action to me? I didn't think I had "cracked a code".. to paraphrase. Quite the opposite I was told by several advanced players and teachers that I was "doing it wrong" and would fuck up my wrist.
i'm just trying to play fast 2NPS pentatonic like zakk wylde and joe bonasamma bro
Hey Justin , what do you thing about the Ibanez RG's (regardless all the specs)? Is it comfortable? What about the sound?
I really want to see you trying to play the outro of "Behold" by born of osiris
really no starting licks on an upstroke??
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Shit dude, you rip, congratulations! -It must feel good after all the years of practicing :)
1 question though: at 9:25, if you could clarify: If you're starting on a 3 notes per string pattern, you start with Upward PickSlanting immediately? Thanks ! (I'll give it a try anyways)
Yes, because when you want to move from a down stroke to the next string with an upstroke (doesn’t matter if inside or outside picking/going one string up or one string below) you need upward PS, otherwise you get stuck between the strings
Thanks for your comment :)
@@justin.hombach Gotcha, thanks so much :) The way I was going about it is just switch in the very moment I need to, and keep DPS on all other occasions. I'll try this as well
When I sit down with my guitar I still don’t get it… I want to smash something or drink alcohol. What on earth am I doing wrong?
not practicing enough
I found it very difficult to two pick slant while palm muting specially upward slanting while palm muting any one else having this problem?
I just wrote and then almost immediately deleted a comment, completely trashing "pick slanting", when I realized that it wasn't "pick slanting" I was complaining about, but rather a picking MOTION that is not perpendicular to the strings. I saw someone giving a guitar lesson on YoutTube telling students that they can speed up their picking by making the axis of motion about 45 degrees to the string which turned every attack of every note into the raunchiest, garbled trash grinding waste of fast picking, anyone ever came up with! When someone is playing complex 64th note riffs with an angled pick MOTION, it's grinding the pick over several of the strings' windings, turning what should be a single attack of each note into a pile of rattling garbage! It's nothing more than a cheat that you CAN'T NOT get caught at, because you can't hear the attack of ANY of your notes!
Hey. I bought the zen of picking. Its a journey. Takes longer than I thought but i discovered some weaknesses in my picking.
What pick are you using? Looks thick. I tend to stay with 1 mm or thinner.
Grüße
Thanks for the support! It is definetly a journey, that still even me challenges me every day… but I love it 😅 Celebrate the journey!
Well I once did a video where I picked with a lot of items that I had on my desk, and there I realized: As long as your picking motion it self is fine, the choice of your pick isn‘t to important anymore. Small ones, thick ones, at a certain point it doesn‘t matter that much anymore :)
@Justin Hombach thanks for your reply. I will find the video.
But this motivates me not to pay so much attention to the picks.
A bad workman blames his tools 😉
"Ernie Ball Prodigy Picks 2 mm" :)
When you say uneven number of notes, do you mean like odd amounts like 3,5,7? Or you mean uneven as in a different number of notes per string like 2 notes on one string and then 3 notes on the next? Cuz it seems like the 3 notes per string triplet runs, you're using 2 way slant to get around the D U D then U D U
I mean number of notes per one string, yes like 3,5,7 etc. And yes I use 2 way pickslanting for the 3 Nps runs DUD (upward) UDU (Downward)
the problem of this is when you got a lot of inside picking in a fast tempo.
Yeah and for some reason this is never touched. It's an enormous problem with the pickslanting concept but I never hear any of its proponents address it.
How to get from 120 bpm 16th notes to 180 bpm tremolo picking to make it consistent for dick dale misirlou?
This is not a nice comment. :-D
pig's landing
Love your channel but you talk too much XD
Nah I don‘t. I‘m Justin the Shredman! A shredman never talks to much, nor to less, he talks exactly that much as he means to!
To say it with Gandalfs words
@@justin.hombach honestly now I know you're right simply because gandalf is my favorite shredder