Russian M1870 Galand Revolver
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The Galand was an innovative revolver design created by Frenchman Charles Francois Galand and patented in 1868. It is most notable for using a long lever system to eject cartridges by throwing the cylinder and a separate cartridge retention plate forward. It was also one of the early adopters of centerfire ammunition (a .45 caliber cartridge with an unusually thick rim, specifically).
In addition to being licensed for production in England, Belgium, and France, the Galand was adopted in 1870 by the Imperial Russian Navy, and several thousand (including this example) purchased by them. Some were made by the Nagant brothers in Liege, and some by the Tula factory in Russia.
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Anyone: *makes a new gun*
Late 1800s-Early 1900s Russia: *Smacks hand on desk* count me in
im dead
"I'LL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK!"
Yeah.....they did that a lot lolol
For a nation active in empire building, Tsarist Russia is woefully armed.
@@juliosunga3530 Exactly the same story with Soviet Union... most resources for military and as little as posible for civilian market...
For 1870, the firearm and cartridge absolutely make it high tech. It looks to be in fantastic condition.
The difference in quality between this and the Nagant revolvers is staggering. This is a very beautiful firearm.
The extraction processes between the guns are almost antithetical, it's bizarre
Why do you people use long words do describe something simple, they're litterally 2 different guns, of course they're different
because the "longer" versions have different definitions and conotation. antithetical being directly opposing. not just different but the exact opposite.
@Joeseph Lambert "pretty antithetical isn't it?" nope, both groups using the same logical mechanism = not antithetical.
Proper conclusion for your story would be "pretty ironic isn't it?"
Your story = two groups of people that like to be among people with similar IQ and you got wrong conlusion out of this well known fact.
Smart people can see that sea of stupidity around them, you are just not as smart as you think to know that(and that is also typical human behaviour that contradict your whole theory).
On top of that someone allready corectly explained this word few weeks before you...
@@cocainecowboy_ Big words are fun. Why use the same hundred words in the basics of a lexicon, when I could use thousands, even those not in my own language? It's boring using small words all the time.
Tuco to elederly gun shop owner: "Bah! Revolvers!"
(sweeps this & about a dozen pistols off the counter & onto the floor).
Beautifully made and clever design.
I was looking to see if someone in the comments would make that reference. Thank you.
If I had money, things like this are why I would not have money for very long.
VictorKane115 if I had a million dollars I would go bankrupt, but I'd like to see them send a repo guy😂😂😂
$3450 of pure 1870's tech
Get specs then redirect 2 cnc
I Climb Everything 4,888$
Sometimes I have money and I can confirm… this is where it goes
Ever since I saw that thing in The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly I've always wanted to see it in action. I was worried none of them were around anymore!
With the civil war ending in 1865, and this gun being made in 1868, thats quite incredible!.
As soon as I saw it, that's exactly what I thought of.
“Revolvers”
@@emphopho I was reading an article about the weapons of "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" and there were a lot of anachronisms in the weapons used as well as the fact it was filmed in Europe and so European firearms were much more readily available.
Wow, a very pretty gun.
I would even say... très galant.
Remarkable considering the age.
+Aravzil Oh oui!🍻
***** not at all. But the older the gun, the more likely it's lost, damaged, or simply worn out. Some of the firearms in regional auctions were used by 3 or more generations of people.
It's not really anything new. During the American civil war, some of the men from the south were fighting with antique muskets from the American Revolutionary War. Can you imagine the condition a musket like that today would be like?
That's why any collector deserves respect from a historical viewpoint.
***** Glad to hear that you got a hold of such a thing. Even though I'm not a huge gun lover, I really love to see all that craftsmanship and effort preserved for posterity. European gunsmith's are fantastic, refined after centuries of people in towns working on the trade.The US was lucky to have had so many gunmakers move to the the colonies. The Revolutionary War German-American muskets are a thing to behold.
I could have bought a commercial version of this gun in almost the same condition at a flea market in Buenos Aires for four hundred bucks about ten years ago. Awggghh!
You should always follow the general rule of thumb when it comes to gun purchases: if it's weird, old, and cheap, just buy it.
ah bueno sos un pelotudo mira lo q esta ese revolver papaaaa
Ya, years ago, we had a "GUN IN SCHOOL!!" call, I responded but the kid had ran home, he lived just across the street, so I met his father in their kitchen. The kid was a 2nd grader and thought it would be cool to show and tell about dad's little .22 revolver. The guy drug it out to show it to me, and there on that table lay a like new .22LR Colt single action! Well he said he was going to sell it to a buddy for fifteen bucks, now the gun guy in me said "OFFER HIM 20!!! But no, I told him to consult his brother-in-law before he sold it, as his brother-in-law was a college trained gunsmith who knew the value of the gun. His brother-in-law was not as honest I I thought, he did have the foresight to offer him 25 for it, and added it to his extensive collection of handguns. WHY am I so damn slow on these things!! Just to honest for my own good I guess! Shit I could have confiscated the gun and just, well kept it but again, honesty.....
I feel for you. It's not the profit you could have made, it's the cool factor and you could have said, " Wow, I have one of those almost Forgotten Weapons.".
The French really knew how to build machines back in the day. I have a Unique Olympic target pistol that I enjoy just looking at, the craftsmanship is amazing.
That revolver has wonderful aesthetics, the smooth curve of the trigger guard/ejection lever is gorgeous.
Late 19th century gunsmiths were as innovative as techies are now.
Eeyup. They were some good apples back then.
Pepper Spray I would love to see the period machine tools used to produce these and others of the Era!
more than now. back then they experimented with different ideas and different designs. nowadays people stick with few designs like ar15.
@@shotforshot5983 I mean, most of the machine tools haven't really changed all that much, at least the lower cost stuff today. Most personal/small shop tools are still manually operated, CNC machines that you see on the commerical level are like 30,000 bucks or more.
The only real difference between the modern manual stuff and the 19th Century ones is that we use individual electric motors for each machine, vs them using a line shaft driven by a central engine, or treadle power for the lower cost personal tools. And we have covers over the gears so you are less likely to lose a finger. :p
@@diktatoralexander88 nn
Finally, now I never have to choose between a wheelgun and a levergat again.
"urgh, revolvers"
"Yes, revolvers"
Ergh... *tosses the revolvers on the floor* revolvers!
Well.. well... *leads him to the case* Here's where I keep the best ones! *starts grabbing a few revolvers and placing them on the glass* Here, Remington, uh Colt... a root, Smith Wesson, Colt... Navy, Jocelyn, another Remington, and this one is...
That's enough!
I just knew there would be this reference somewhere here.
Came here look for tuco and tuco I have found
"How much?"
"20 dollars"
"hahaha. How Much?" Points gun at clerk
"100 Dollars"
"Pulls back hammer on pistol"
"200 dollars. It's all I have!"
Finds unlit cigar, chews on it 😂😂😂
Tuco benedicto pacifico ron mario Ramirez..... Known as the rat
What a lovely made weapon. Thank you for showing us a really good piece of "old" engineering, (that looks better than a lot of present day kit)
That extracting mechanism is really interesting, I wonder if there are other weapons that use it
A shotgun version would be cool
@@Thrillowatt Something close would be the Baby Breton.
Not really. The star extractor is much simpler and more convenient.
The Merwin and Holbrrt it's kind of similar
I wish they still made beautiful guns like these.
Such a great gun...and yet that shopkeeper in TGTBTU didn't keep it in the case with all of his best guns, but left it on that table with all of the other "all sales final" guns.
And Tuco wouldn't appreciate such a great piece, what to expect from a redneck...
Ah yes, I remember this from the gun shop scene in TGTBTU. Always wondered what kind of pistol it was. :D
Which makes this an anachronism since the movie takes place during the Civil War which ended in 1865.
Michael Pfadt That's true, but I think there's quite a few anachronisms in that movie. I don't think it ever claimed to be historically accurate.
ima watch it agian lol did not noticed this gun
MODNAR22 of course, it's not a documentary. This gun, to most people, just looks like an "1800s wild west" gun. That's all that matters.
@Max William Lauf Yes it was a bit of an anachronism, but not too bad. Cartridge conversions came onto the market only a few years after the end of the civil war, after all.
Now I gotta go watch The Good, the Bad and the Ugly so I can see this revolver. :)
Revolvers....
if you have not seen it, the gun shop scene is really awesome.
mrstarfishh33 I've seen it many times (have it on DVD). Watched it the other day and just had to laugh when he flung all the revolvers on the floor. :)
z robertson Well not much about the movie is historically accurate but that's irrelevant to me. :)
REVOLVAHS!
I KNEW I RECOGNIZED THIS FROM THAT MOVIE
I really love the effort you put in pronouncing French names hahaha :D
(Also, "breveté" would be pronounced bruh-vuh-tay) Cool gun!
More videos like this Forgotten Weapons, because you're my favorite gun channel thus I follow almost every clip for each interesting and sometimes "ahead of time " weapon :)
An anachronistic gun for the good the bad and the ugly as it takes place during the civil war and the gun was designed 3 years after it ended, however it was pretty funny watching tuco fiddle with it
I saw the picture and immediately thought of Eli Wallach in 'The Good, the Bad and the Ugly'. Watch when Tuco makes it across the desert and accosts the gunshop keeper to arm him for revenge.
Top shelf piece right there. Glad you brought that one to the table.
Thats a really cool design. Very unique way of speeding up the reloading process
I know it may break the gun, but imagine how badass it would be flipping it open with one hand, reloading it with the other and swinging it shut. sort of like the terminator lol
Fantastic content as always, Ian!
A very elegant revolver! Beautiful really! Why Is it that the guns I find most interesting and desirable are always too rare (and expensive) for me to ever be able to aquire..ah well in those cases at least there is the 'Forgotten Weapons' channel! Many thanks for the work you do!
Thanx for the show-and-tell. I appreciate the "Sold For" information you include in your videos.
Not only is it interesting, it's actually very visually appealing. That belongs in a velvet-lined mahogany case under glass. I wish I had the coin...
It looks pretty and slick
Got to admit, its a nice looking revolver.
That's why it was anachronistic in The Good The Bad and The Ugly ( ok ok i saw it on imfdb once 🙂 )
Tooco Ramirez didn't like this revolving pistol, he chose navy colt :)
... that he personalized with parts from some of the other revolvers he was looking at...
What a great looking revolver!
То чувство когда ты русский - и впервые узнаёшь об этом оружии !
That feeling when you're Russian - and the first time you learn about this weapon !
Ну, русский этот револьвер лишь условно. Так же как и "русский винчестер"
ACLG
В "Технике молодежи" о нем писали аж в 1990 году...
А я про него в детстве ещё узнал. У отца была какая-то энциклопедия стрелкового оружия так в ней половина оружия с этого канала было упомянуто.
Я тоже первый раз слышу! Ну да, не совсем русский, а сделанный для России, и всё же часть нашей истории.
Это точно
Of course I just got through watching The Good The Bad and The Ugly for the hundredth time and I love that scene where Eli Wallach goes in to the shop and Tara's all the guns apart and put some together in a different way and I always wondered is that possible and did they disassemble that easily thanks Ian I watch and like just about every one of your videos
Huh?
Different guy; only one "L".
Good point. Separate question, what brand of watch do you wear? I saw in the above video you are wearing one. I remember in the video on ww1 trench weapons, I saw in that very clever opening you had a 1917 trench knife in your hand and i also saw a watch on your left wrist. Just asking as I have an interest in history, weapons, watches ect. Thank you , and please keep making interesting videos.
Patented in 1868, but used in the film, “The Good, Bad, and Ugly,” set during the Civil War. And I trusted Italian westerns! Thank you.
LOL the star of my favorite scene from The Good The Bad & The Ugly. I always loved how it squeaks like a tin coffee press. Guess this one got taken care of better.
Given how complicated and precisely machined this looks I think if it was manufactured and sold today would cost on the same ballpark as the estimated auction price.
I've seen these in books but never realized they had any significant use.
I love the good bad and the ugly but they do have some firearm snafu's. It's a civil war noir but the percussion pistols shooting brass cartridges happens, before those conversions were available I believe.
Very cool and nice looking gun, this. The one in The Good, Bad & Ugly was very decorated, if I remember correctly. Much prefer this one.
Very cool mechanism, I've never seen one of those before, thank you for sharing!
I have come across an excellent revolver . It's a priceless experience in my life .
When you buy a firearm from Rock Island Auction, such as this one. Do you receive any paper work with the facts and type of ammo to use with it. I ask this because I'm not aware of how the auctions go as in how much info they give to the bidders. Hopefully people who buy these firearms watch your videos.
Nope, that's up to the buyer to know or find out. If you don't know what it is, don't buy it. :)
Try google.
You can send RIA an email about whatever item and they will provide extra details
If that rim plate came apart in 2 pieces, making it like a halfmoon clip, this wouldve been practically the best a man could get until the 1900s i bet
Glad you mentioned The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly because I'm sure I'm not the only one who looked at the thumbnail and thought, "its that revolver from the gun store scene"
A very good design for the time. If it could use speed loaders, it would be a good design now, but I think it is clear swing out cylinders have won that design war.
i think it could probably use half moon clips, but i doubt they had those for this gun back then.
Half moon clips. What a great idea. Thanks. I forgot about those.
Anyone else read "Garand Revolver"?
Yea same
That pb and name. lol
I read "Garland Revolver" with flowers!
I read Galand but thought it was a Japanese knock off of a Garand.
+kiwi700 chinese*
with a varation on the half moon clips used in the M- 1917s this would be great revolver even today
very cool revolver.
It is interesting how people see the russians as a backwards military yet that really comes from the ww2/cold war era... where even then they were ahead of the curve but got put behind by either funds or being attacked by what they thought was an ally....... they adopted gattling guns, machine guns and even the self-loading military rifle before most of the rest of europe and at the same time or only a short time after the united states would...... the only area where they stayed on the curve was the self loading pistol..... where they adopted it while others were but after a couple of the fore runners...
Tengo uno. Es grandioso y anda perfecto.
the "Workmanship" is WOW!
just the sound of it opening and closing... so satisfying, somehow.
Once again.Thank you for the knowledge!
Thanks Ian
how fucking cool. never seen a revolver design that gave me any reason to want one. this would be a cool design with modern cartridges.
That is a slick design.
Looks like a neat revolver. And not that bad of a caliber. Cool.
cool weapon. thanks for the inside dope on how it works.
The way it opens looks awesome.
Looks like the hammer on my 1898 Rast and Gasser
Beautiful in every way.
+Forgotten Weapons, any chance you did a vid on that Bittner Model 1893 repeating pistol that is also in this auction?
I did not - but I do have a line on another one that will get a video eventually.
Fantastic. Thank you for all this interesting material.
damn this revolver is really cool
So a lever action revolver. Damn. That actually feels satisfying to me and I don't know why.
....yes, but how is it for quick draw, and cossack action shooting ?
Very nice, never heard of it before so thank you for the video.
Holy cow this is awesome
This thing just looks awesome.
What a nice Revolver! Super neat! I want one in a Modern Cartridge!
Fascinating looking revolver.
Dang, I hella remember Tuco playing with this piece in the gunshop. It was so squeaky
That is such a cool revolver, holy shit.
I know I'm going way back.. If, I'm correct, that was one of the revolvers that Eli Wallach messes around with in the, "Good, The Bad, and The Ugly".
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If forced to carry one or the other into service, I think I'd prefer this to the Nagant revolvers that came later.
Another example of the FW movie collection. Should include the scene from G,B&U in the intro.
I wish I was still working in my old machine shop. I would like to replicate this beautiful pistol.
For all the twisted panties out there, we can stop with the pistol versus revolver stuff. According to the ATF, and we all know the government makes the rules, a pistol is any firearm designed to be operated with one hand. This and most other revolvers would fit that description (revovling rifles and shotguns not included). Another great video and gun Ian, the Russian side of firearms is often underrepresented.
Both the workmanship and aesthetic design on this gun look amazing. By the way, on topic of Russian military being forward-thinking - I remember learning in the St. Petersburg Artillery and Rocketry Museum that Russian military used rockets (like Congreve rockets and a multitude of domestic designs) heavily and with success. I don't know how correct it is in overall context.
But reading the excerpts of reports about these rockets I really felt the desire to always be on the forefront, learn from others' mistakes, improve and innovate etc. Of course the sheer size and relative unwieldiness of Russian army (not to mention the consequent turmoil) were the counter-balance to that... but also I read really frequently about line captains and majors of the Russian Imperial army coming up with all sorts of novel devices, after doing research on latest designs.
Very nice revolver, thanks for sharing, love the nagant anyway even if this piece is dream
Here I thought all Belgian & French revolvers had loading gates. You learn something new everyday.
very interesting piece .
Comfy looking pistol
One of the rare videos where Ian is wearing a watch.
Somehow, I knew you'd have this video.
Double action with cartridges in 1870 wow.
Are you going to/did you place a bid on this piece? Not sure what ammo availability is like, but it would be a beautiful shelf piece to have behind you during a Question and answer video.
I bid on it, but didn't win.
Drat. Now we just need to hack into that old microsoft video chat program that inserted images and just fill your shelves up with various dream guns. That'd be a hilarious April fools day video. You just "showing" guns you obviously aren't holding. Like cartoon levels of "definitely not real".
That is a beauty, I would love on in .44 special.
hell thats one of an elegant gun
I wonder how many of these guns Ian will end up making a bet on.
This one seems like a gun that he would go for :P
Looks like it came out of the factory, yesterday.
Cool video Ian .
Hey, could anyone say why this design is not used in modern firearms? I feel like it's pretty neat. Thank you in advance.
My guess would be that you couldn't use a speed loader on this, because the cylinder axis gets in the way, thus making it slower because you have to load each cartridge individually. (still faster than the loading gate stuff but slower than a speed loader)
+Beavis Butt-Hedson The design could be modified to work with moon clips. They make moon clips that only hold 2 or 3 rounds, so the center pin would not be a problem.
imagine the plate changed to a new model revolver design. only half of the plate moves like pushing the pin to empty the cylinder on a newer gun. and using 3 rd moon clips.
It’s really nice looking.
Yeah this one is revolutionaries