The Story of Eleanor Lamb | Sofia Lamb's Daughter, Subject Delta's Gatherer, & More! (Bioshock 2)
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- Опубликовано: 9 ноя 2018
- Welcome back my Rapture Family to another brand new Bioshock 2 video. In today's video, we'll be discussing The Story of Eleanor Lamb. From being Sofia Lamb's Daughter, to so much more. I hope you enjoy the video!
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Hope you guys enjoy the video!
TheBioshockHub OMG FINALLY A BIOSHOCK CHANNEL OMG OMG OMG XD
@@shanebeaudoin6254 Hope you enjoy it my friend
TheBioshockHub I killed one NPC and Killed only the dude who partied and lamb was still spared how is that
TheBioshockHub having Eleanor for a partner Was Brilliant I really miss her
Just Realized Today That Each Bioshock Has A Wonder Child; Jack, Eleanor And Elizabeth
Yessir, constants and variables .
All different, all similar
Wonder child,wonder weapon.
Ye
I just realized that too
I absolutely love Eleanor Lamb's character! She deserved much more development just as much as Elizabeth did. I certainly hope "Parkside" elaborates and gives more love and attention to her story and character and perhaps even include her as one of the main cast in the new bioshock game.
BubbleArcadia what is park side?
New bioshock
For year's now I've thought a game from the perspective of a big sister would be pretty cool/unique!
That would be unique
I hope the next bioshock would do that. I mean we already played as a “splicer” twice and 2 different big daddies. I wouldn’t want to play as another human, but I wouldn’t mind being a big daddy again.
You will be on god mode
it would be pretty much be the same, as the Big Daddy. except with the syringe needle for an arm, instead of A drill.
@@alliedcommander9149 except big sisters have a much faster and agile way of movement. Instead of being a slow brute, gameplay movement could be closer to something like mirrors edge, which would be a very cool way to change combat.
"Father, you taught me that 'Evil' is just a word; underneath the skin, it's simple pain." - Eleanor Lamb.
One of best games of all time, it's criminally underrated.
Subject delta was eleanor's biological father,he was forced to give his uh....."dna" after he was arrested for heroics in rapture
Now that sound weird, care to explaine
@@dean_l33 there is a cut dialog between delta and Eleanor about how Sofia lamb took a seed from delta before turning him into big daddy and that why delta had a strong bond with Elanor ( sorry for my bad English)
@@mohamednail1707 Thanks man
@@dean_l33 your welcome
It's said in the Bioshock lore that Johnny topside (Delta's nickname.) Is Eleanor's genetic father via sperm donor. If I recall. (This is also present in the leaderboard RUclips channel)
That's really interesting, I appreciate you sharing that.
It's in the game files. But yes during development Delta was to be her biological father but got cut from the final result.
There’s also apparently an audio file that goes against that audio, but they’re both still left in there
To be honest. Nothing saying that is or isn't the case, I think it's more of a matter of how you view it. It's like how in Star Wars: A New Hope, there is the scene where Han and Greedo fire at each other, nothing to really suggest either one shot first (And no, the re-release's don't count). So it could be the case Han fired first, or Greedo did. Does it really make the story lesser in either case? Not really. Would it be nice to get a definite answer? Sometimes yes, other times however, it isn't always needed. Delta could be Eleanor's biological Father, which could have helped in him bonding to her, even if he never saw her beforehand. Or he just simply did something that made Eleanor view him as a Father, given how her Mother is... It really isn't surprising if even with the Little Sister conditioning Eleanor was in some way happy to be away from Sofia. It does make one wonder though, Eleanor is around her late teen's to early 20's. And with everything that was done to her DNA, if she were to end up getting Married and having a child... I think Sofia was going at it from the wrong angle. I don't think it would be Eleanor that would be her so-called 'Utopian' though I myself find such a mindset and plan ridiculous and flawed in many way's, this coming from a guy who doesn't exactly view 'humanity' as being so much tied to our physical bodies but rather something beyond the physical form. But I think that whatever Children Eleanor might (if she even can?) have would be what Sofia was ultimately trying to achieve. And the Irony is, Eleanor would want any child of her's away from Sofia as far as possible (assuming she spared Sofia in the end of course). So even Sofia find's that her grandchild is even better than her Daughter, she would never have the chance to analyze what make's it so different. While some would say having Sofia die for what she did is a fitting enough end, I would say it is the least effective route. Because then Sofia would not realize how the world forgot her and how she ended up being nothing. How all her work did nothing to really amount to anything, and how the world views far greater thing's with more importance than her trying to make some ultimate Human. Really, in that sense, sparing Sofia would make her Punishment as a result FAR more fitting for one such as her than to simply have her Drown. If only due to the fact that she would face thing's that make Plasmid's irrelevant. Do you think a being of Eleanor's power or even greater could withstand a Nuke? Much less the most powerful of it's kind? The people of Rapture would have no idea of how the world has moved so far past them to the point their advances didn't really amount to much, yes having a true A.I. while most of the world hasn't even made Personal Computer's is something to be sure. However it is far less impressive when the Surface Dwellers can make Computer's that are as good if not BETTER than what Rapture has, in a far smaller and more compact form. Yes it would take longer, but it would prove far and beyond superior to what they could create in the long run. I am willing to do an in-depth study of why Rapture was doomed to fail from the very concept (as a society, not so much the actual city, though that too has issues.) And why Ryan's and Sofia's Idea's for an ideal Society would never work. But I will save that for another time.
Its not cannon
I want Eleanor Lamb to be the player character in the next Bioshock game.
As long as it makes sense within the story, I'm completely okay with it.
Don’t think there will be a new bioshock game cuz they already went to infinite you can’t go past that
Its official, theres a new bioshock in developpement
Olivier Boudreau WAIT *WHAT.*
@@slowtimexd If was official in December my friend :)
This man responds a year after he posts this video, it shows how much these games build people’s conceptions of game and of course the love of rapture, great video as always
I'm still trying to keep up with comments my friend :)
Good Ending: Eleanor extracts the ADAM from Delta so that he could be apart of her, she then proceeds to cross his arms, the weather is light and pretty out, she is also there with all the little sisters you saved.
*SAVED ALL LITTLE SISTERS*
Neutral Ending: You're given a chose to die or to live, the weather is calm but dark and gloomy, Eleanor mourns the loss of Delta
*Harvested 1 Little Sister or killed 1 of the people you meet*
Bad Ending: Eleanor extracts your ADAM, The weather is Dark and Stormy out with corpses in the water (Could be foreshadowing the Dark Future that awaits the world), Subject Delta dies.
*Harvested 1 or more Little Sister*
Best Ending: Personally I think the good ending is the best because it describes how Delta isn't some mindless Machine and that he is still a thinking human being despite his appearance, He was merciful to those who were guilty and saved those who were innocent, He showed that he was a loving person and didn't judge people by their cover..
Heck yeah I love it! I love Eleanor more then Elizabeth but thats just my opinion. ^^'
Not a bad opinion my friend.
TheBioshockHub I know my opinion is not popular just because everyone loves Elizabeth but people only like her just because she's hot not because she's a good character, don't get me wrong Elizabeth is awesome but to alot of people, she is just a rule 34/3D porn waifu. Lol
I feel the same way
@@collbn Haven't seen you around for a while.
@@TheBioshockHub Real life gets in the way. I know you totally get that. I hope you are feeling better
Personally I think the next game should be focused on Mark Meltzer. His story as you say would work really well as a game
I think he was turned into a Big Daddy model at some point.
@@dragonbornexpress5650 he was. I think he may have been a precursor to Delta.
Very good. All of it, it's true when Delta was hypnotize order to kill himself by Sofia Lamb. 10 years later, Eleanor Lamb sent Little Sisters to revive Subject Delta at a Vita-Chamber.
Dr. Tenenbaum had procured remains necessary to resurrect Delta. As a side-effect all mental conditioning of Subject Delta was broken.
@@vksasdgaming9472, yep, which means that mentally speaking, he was a free man.
I love the amount of work and effort you put in your videos, but I think playing clips of the audio diaries to support what you said would be best.
Like when you said "Elnor later seid she had a crush on the little boy" this would be a good time to play a clip of the audio diary to back up what you said. I just think it would improve the over all quality of video.
Please note your videos are all ready good just trying to give you constructive criticism.
I could do that moving forward to add more depth to the video. Thank you.
Hi I also enjoyed your video and your writing was very good but I feel the video content was rather disconnected from what you were saying. Perhaps show at least one of the endings that you discuss? Just a suggestion, keep up the good work (subscribed)
Agreed
Probably died
Commenting to let people know Bioshock 2 is still relevant in 2020
Indeed lol
Yes it does. I recently replayed it, and planning to replay it again. For me, it is the best Bioshock game until now. I only wish that Eleanor would have got a bit more screentime and the player had a couple of special interactions with her, like with Elizabeth in Infinite. Maybe a walk under the ocean together, or just listening her as she discovers something what she never seen before...it would have been awesome.
and forever!
This was a great video. They have made me want to go back and play the games again and pay more attention to the choices I make in the game. Thank you for the information.
I'd recommend it. It's a good game.
I enjoy this videos
Great video! I liked and subscribed. Keep up the good work :D
Great stream last time keep it up!
great in depth lore as always.
Thank you
Great video!
Bioshock 2 is the best in the series
In most aspects, yes. However, the villain of Sofia Lamb is about as generic as you can get in terms of motivation and personality while lacking any of the charisma or deep intelligence Fontaine had in the first game. Otherwise, the game is a worthy sequel, and even suggests that the Good Ending to Bioshock 1 is canon.
Dragonborn Express yeah in my opinion bio 1 is a better story bio 2 is a better game
Wait how does Sinclair turn into an alpha series ive always thinked about this for so long
Sofia Lamb kidnapped him essentially.
TheBioshockHub thank you
@@noahfaisal7640 when you are playing as a little sister after you enter Sofia Lamb's office she orders the rapture family to cease all their activities until Sinclair was captured. Then once you find the first piece of the big sister armor for Eleanor (I believe it's the body suit) you can hear the screams of Sinclair turning into a big daddy.
IVOLUKE oh my thats tragic
I honestly believed that the phrase "the false Shepard will lead our lamb astray" was a nod to bioshock 2. Where Sophia Lamb (leader of a cult, like Comstock) believed that Delta (false Shepard/father) was leading Eleanor Lamb (the Lamb) astray from what Sophia believed was her destiny.
The beginning of bioshock 2 in my opinion is pretty fucked up
(Eleanor lamb is one of my favorite characters by the way)
Hey man could you make a story of Sofia Lamb video? I would love to see it! If you don't have the time to do it or just don't want to them it's ok have a nice day! Btw I left a like, you're my favorite youtuber
I heard you at the end with the "would you kindly" .. "a man chooses.. a slave obeys.." 🤣
Looking forward to the Mark Meltzer video dude! 🖒
Elizabeth saved her from the horror of rule 34
Thanks for making a video of about my daughter
They should have made a game about Eleanor or she should have been or had a cameo in BioShock Infinite
There were a lot of rumors about her being in the new Bioshock being developed. Obviously, I'm not sure how true that's going to end up being, but it'd be awesome to see her again.
Eleanor Lamb being protected by her towering father Subject Delta.
The Monument Tower protects The Lamb (Elizabeth). Just like Booker (Comstock) protect in their own way.
Jack saving the Little Sisters. Ironically he becomes a Big Daddy for a bit.
Constants and variables. Which route is the new game going I wonder?
I read this as a luttece twin banter ❤
this video is a very good video
did you know that subjet delta is revealed to be Eleanors biologig father in a audio file
I think Eleanor Lamb is Elizabeth comstock from that dimension.
Please stop with the alternate dimensions. That stuff just wrecks a story in this context.
Andre viana it's Elizabeth DeWitt
@@jackwill8126 if we are doing that it's actually Anne DeWitt.
I never realized how powerful the hypnotize big daddy plasmid is, then Sophia made a man shoot himself in the head.
Great characther! The fps with the story 😁
I know this video is 4 years old at the time. But I wish Delta could have been saved and turned back to a human.
Well eleanor reacts diffrently when Harvest the little sisters and npc when delta and eleanor reacts to sinclair
What?! Nothing on Johnny Topside? Or who subject Delta was before he became a big daddy? Stanley Poole tells you some of it
Hmm, with Burial at Sea confirming that the Bioshock 1 ending is canon, it’s most likely the Good Ending for Bioshock 2 is canon
Apparently, an unused ADAM message from Eleanor would've revealed that Delta is her biological father - but as it was unused, is the reveal canon...? 🤔
I hear a lot of fans saying the neutral ending is the best ending and I gotta agree with them
The end of her story for now, we will see what happens at e3. There's no way they just randomly restocked the big daddy and lil sister figures...
I'm praying my friend.
Who has the rights to bioshock now? Which publishers press conference do i need to watch?
@@yoko263429 it's still 2k property.
When you realize that subject delta is 7'2 meaning almost all the npcs are all around 6'4 and up
Absolute units.
Only tall people allowed in rapture
True, true
When you say delta becomes a part of her does that mean hes in her mind? Do they talk with each other?
Essentially since she drained the rest of the ADAM from him as he's dying, she'll retain his thoughts, memories, etc. I'm not exactly sure about the last part of your question though.
@@TheBioshockHub ok, thx
@@tonypringles2285 No problem!
So a naive girl with powers, terrible parents, and in a dying city inhabited by a cult has a father figure help her escape. Well Elizabeth, I mean Eleanor…. At least you don’t die in the multiverse? I just wish they had been less similar, in the way Jack and Eleanor were so different.
Can you do a "What if" about if Sofia succeed in morphing Eleanor and killing Delta?
Sure!
@@TheBioshockHub Awesome! Can't wait!
@@TheBioshockHub and if you get time a character video on Grace Holloway. I feel she needs more attention. If not don't worry about it
Eleanor was my favorite until I played infinite then I couldn't decide
And here is another similarity, Comstock and Lamb both run a utopia, but utterly fails
I always wondered if Delta actually loved her or was just trying to get to her to save his own ass 😐
I'd like to think there was love there.
@@TheBioshockHub Same 😎
I think it depends on the player. Delta is kept blank so the player can insert themselves as him. In my case I played as though Delta was on a mission to save his daughter.
@@philipallred9647 my only canon
Which ending is the canon one
I believe the good one, if I remember correctly.
@@TheBioshockHub thank you
@@dollersuememe6833 You're very welcome my friend!
What other games do you like?
Besides Bioshock? The Last of Us, God of War, Fallout, Uncharted.
There’s a theory that booker is actually subject delta
I prefer that we DON'T mention anything Bioshock Infinite introduced. The multiverse concept, while pretty cool, just makes the story much more confusing than it needs to be.
Hmm I personally thought Jack was like Booker in another universe
Also I dont know if this makes sense but I had a theory that Booker is Jack great grand father in a universe idk
Yeah none of that is true. Possibly but none of it is cannon. Also Booker can't be his great grandfather because he's around 40 in the 20s and bioshock one happens in the late fifties with Jack being 20ish. If he was and all the famiky had kids at 20 Jack would be like 18. Also we don't know who subject delta is at all, onky that he WAS johnny topside, I did hear something about someone digging in the files and finding a name which was Issac but that could be completely irrelevant. It's not possible to be that universes version of Booker due to age, he was around late 30s early 40s in the 1920s but rapture wasn't made until the 50s putting him at like 60 to 70 and well yeah no old man will be deep sea diving in the 50s. He can't be a different universe's either because Elizabeth only went and sabotage one Booker and it was actually a Comstock, she would never do that to her good father. So no, those are both rather outlandish in the grand scheme of timelines.
no wonder the sisters think the word "mother" is taboo
Throwing maaaad parties. I also tried to contact you via email but failed. I am just tryna play bioshock 2 online
discord.gg/jS8V6utF
Why does delta die in the good ending i never knew why
The Alpha series was discontinued because the bond with their little sisters worked too well for their own good, once they lost their sisters they were either maddened or depressed to the point of committing night-night, this is the case for Delta because Sofia stoped Eleanor heart long enough to sever their bond, and so Delta was condemned to die.
At least in the good ending he gets to be Eleanor conscience, guiding her to a better future
First person squad
;)
Stop tryna brain wash us with that would u kindly
I disliked because I’m not a slave
Eleanor is stupid and here's why:
She has the ability to teleport never teleported to Delta. Could have told the Little Sisters to tell the Big Daddys and Big Sisters to help Delta. Got mad when Delta killed the Little Sisters even though he was doing them a favor by ending there lives before they could become Big Sisters and start the cycle again. Basically lost at sea with Little Sisters or by herself or with Sofia Lamb or with them all with a rotting corpse. With no food, shelter or a boat. Know one is looking for her so a boat coming is impossible. Even if they do some how go to land where are they going to go. They have no money. She could have saved Delta by taking a Little Sister with the ADAM needle put it in the Little Sister arm and then put it in Delta. He would be alive but not your bond. Because in Bioshock Infinite DLC the Bouncer was dying and the Little Sisters helped by fixing the bond or something.
You don’t seem to understand the story and are poking holes that aren’t that big of a deal or are explained
She isn’t stupid and doesn’t have the ability to teleport till she’s escaped from lamb.
Plus we don’t even know the big daddies and Big sisters would have listened to the little sisters at all since they follow lamb.
You’re just looking for holes which don’t affect enjoyment of a story.
Harvesting isn’t an ideal option and she doesn’t get mad at you
Being at sea isn’t a bad thing it’s the only option, and plus they’ll find a way, jack and sigma were in the same situation.
It’s explained that delta is beyond saving in the traditional sense by the time they escape