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You know what's crazy? How audio diaries in the Bioshock 2 and the other Bioshock games have more detailed and deeper stories than many games nowadays.
@@TheBioshockHub Exactly. In Bioshock 1 and 2 I always looked forward to an audio log because it uncovered more of the story of rapture and it's people.
When I first played it, I killed him without thinking since I thought "hey, Big Daddy= Little Sister." But when I saw his story and whatnot, I felt sorry. But also, when I did a 2nd run of it, I found him dead. He legit was dead laying there with his daughter weeping. The feels...
I did exactly what you did, But i was looking for him the entire time . I thought there was a way to save him and his daughter,so after i killed him and loot his body i see his name tag and it was like a blow to the stomach.
@@JoJo-os8io same I legit went through the whole game looking for him heard him I was like oh maybe I can see him and ya killed him played the tape listened to it and I did one of those double takes to look at him
I'm a father, I have a little girl of my own. So when this story played out for me in my game it was especially poignant. I can't imagine what was going through Mark's mind as this all transpired, but I can't say for certain that I wouldn't have done the exact same thing in his case.
Well maybe to some, but not to me. I liked following all of the side stories, but re-uniting Delta with Eleanor was always my main drive and was a very strong story for me.
@@stefanoalbertini3508 I never really felt like they drove it home. I just finished 2 from the collection and I wish Delta showed some kinda emotion showing he cared for his daughter.
I LOVED following Mark’s story throughout the game. It was so.. so.. dark yet riveting. My heart broke for him when he became a big daddy and I found out I killed him. Holy shit that story had my heart more than the campaign story 😅 You my man Mark, may you and Cindy be together forever in death
@@futurecyber01 I felt bad too, but I'm happy that they incorporated There's Something in the Sea into the actual game as well. It was too damn good to not include.
It was sad for Meltzer . In the earlier levels, I heard him and when i got to the room he was gone. When I played the game, I didn't know it was him when he became a Big Daddy. after I killed and listen to his audio video . I felt bad. Meltzer told Sofia that he wasn't the first person that found Rapture and he won't be the last. When I ended his life, I was sad but I felt I put him out of his misery and rescue his daughter. Meltzer would have wanted his daughter free . I was determine to stop Sofia and her insane plans. I saved Cindy and free her, I made sure that Mark Meltzer doesn't spend the rest of his life as a Big Daddy. I free them both. Even if it was a tragedy.
This was probably one the saddest “side stories” I’ve ever seen in Bioshock...I immediately saved Cindy and didn’t use her to collect ADAM. For Marks sake...
I was listening to Mark's audio diaries and was engrossed in the story, but by the time I saw him I just immediately froze and drilled him and only after the fact realized it was him. Kind of an underwhelming death for good old Mark lol
One thing I didn't notice mentioned in the video or the comments is how great of a voice actor the person that voiced Meltzer is. He really sold the character and the story for me. Him and actor of Potter from Minerva's Den.
It's incredible in what's amounts to about 5 minutes of audiologs and dealing with him as a Big Daddy how much this hits like a ton of bricks. This is even without me having prior knowledge of the ARG with him. It's crazy to think that he initially wasn't going to be in the game. The amount of determination to find his daughter and to find Rapture...dude was like Liam Neeson in Taken...too bad his story ends in tragedy.
Yes, everything is true. Meltzer wants to find his daughter in the Rapture. When Big Sister grab his daughters and Meltzer tried defeat Big Sister but failed. Both Cindy and Meltzer are capture by Sofia lamb his choice to Cindy side and become Big Daddy. Poor Meltzer. If he had a chance get power and weapons like Jack do.
But there's also the fact that Jack wouldn't have stood a chance in "this" Rapture. I dont think he would have survived even with weaponry...Killmg him is a mercy for how I wish to see it...
@@KamikazeeAliens lmao jack would have been wrecked by the first big sister he came across. Also the brute splicers would tear jack apart. Thank god jack is ryan biological son. Jack DNA is recognized by the vita chambers and raptures automated security systems and bathypsheres.
@@Jew_Gi_Oh nah in the mueseum of bioshock, they created brute splicers but never coded heir behavoir. Jack most definitely could kill a brute splicer. Also the big sister absorbs adam from splicers so jack woul hv a chance against those
This is a story I will never get bored of. I try to leave him and Cindy alone whenever I can but a lot of the times, I have hypnosis on an Alpha or a big daddy and he ends up attacking Mark, and/or I’m trying to shoot down a splicer, following by a lot of guilt. Lol, but thanks, I really enjoyed the video
Honestly killing him is best and is probably what he would have wanted their is no way he would want to live the rest of his short lived life in a ruined city constantly defending his daughter from murderous drug addicts as long as he could trust you to save his daughter thats all he would care about
I feel really really sorry for this man. First off, having your kid be kidnapped, and then prolly dying to the player. That doesn't compare to becoming a big daddy. Protecting a random child until you die must suck. Loved the vid btw. I love lore videos like this, I'm play Bioshock 1 2 and Infinite in my spare time, and lore vids like these help a new person to a game understand the backstory.
I went through the whole game up until that point hoping with all my being that he was going to be successful. It actually emotionally hurt when I finally found him.
I’m still waiting for the multiplayer live stream though.. i tested it out with some guys in the community server on stream and it was much better than i expected for it’s time! Now i also know where they got the Idea of the vigor in infinite where u boost punch with the sky hook...
I love this story and still is very sad 😢 and can’t believe mark go so far to find his daughter and end up in rapture where everything falling apart and caos
i thought he was dead when he fight against big sister i search for his corpse but i dont found it then today i see a random video about shock2 and i know he be a big dady what bring me to you again his story its very interesting i love it more than the main story
My girlfriend and I missed the last diary for Meltzer, and when I went to loot the big daddy corpese and it was named we both were speechless. Thank you for recapping his story. (Also when I killed Meltzer, again without knowing, there was no little sister. So I don't know where the fuck Cindy was. We got the best ending so I assume she's with Eleanor on the surface and no one can tell me otherwise)
Just found out Meltzer was voiced by the same person who voiced Darkseid in ZSJL, Ray Porter. Not at all related, but I'll just enjoy this amazing story even more the next time I play. Also, I do wish Meltzer had some barely discernible last words, like Sinclair.
Something In The Sea was an amazing promo ARG. I sent in a letter to Mark Meltzer and got my own Rapture Record in the mail, and am Man O'War Pawn in the International Order Of the Pawns. Awesome!
Been waiting for this video! Also that's a fantastic thumbnail Erik! 🖒 but yeah this totally should have been a DLC for BioShock 2 or better yet an entire length game!
I have really been enjoying your biographies of the Bioshock characters. I was really looking forward to this one! I do have a couple of critiques though. First, I think it would have been a lot better if you began with summarizing Something in the Sea and thus gave a framework for Cindy's kidnapping. By starting with her kidnapping with zero context, it doesn't make much sense. And more information about his search in general, pulled from the Something in the Sea archives would have really been a benefit, since it was such a huge piece of his life. Like, how did he even start searching, why did that lead to Cindy being kidnapped? How did he found stories about the missing artists and scientists, and begin piecing things together? How did he find Rapture's coordinates? You said something like "after the attack on his ship, he entered Rapture through the lighthouse". What attack??? What ship? And how did he find the lighthouse? This is all important character development. You went so thoroughly into Ryan's backstory, it was really a shame that you didn't go into Melzer's, whenthere is an archive of SitS. I liked having the audio diaries interspersed throughout the video. However, it was super redundant for you to be telling the story, and then play an audio diary, only for us to find that you had just told us the contents of the diary, often with direct quotes. Just tell the story *up to* where the diary starts, and the just play the diary. Don't tell us what is in the diary, and then immediately play the diary. Meltzer and Cindy just break my heart. The first time I played, when his name appeared on the corpse, I was shocked. Absolutely broke my heart. It is always sad to me to kill him, and rescue Cindy to live her life without hee father. Hopefully she finds her way back to her mother when you bring all of the rescued Little Sisters to the surface (i always play as a rescuer). It is so very poignant, though, that he chose to become a protector (which must involve *agonizing* pain as they are grafted into the suits) just so he can be with Cindy, only to be killed and lose her forever. Right in the feels.
YES, that was one of those fantastic stories of Bioshock. Very tragic deep story, especially as i am a father myself! The Mark Meltzer story coupled with the Charles Milton Porter story was the best in Bioshock 2 imo
Audio logs is such a genius idea, unlike boring big text blocks like other games. You get to listen to great lore with great voice acting and can still play the game while you hear it! Wish more games would do this
When it was revealed that he was made into an alpha series I stood up and yelled in anger "no no everyone freaking dies not mark" as I wanted him to survive and escape with him
My favorite part of that game was honestly the Diaries... I love it when games use audio diaries to tell back stories and important details in more immersive way like with Mark Meltzer's story.
What hit me the hardest was after the moment after you kill Mike. As you walk up to her, she brightens up and looks at you. Just like any other little sister. "Daddy! You always save me from the monsters!" I was speechless.
If you think about it, Lamb probably knew that someone would try to find Rapture in search of the girls who were kidnapped from the surface and might have even thought of a way to use this to gain more followers in the cult of personality that she had instilled in the people of Rapture. I love replaying Bioshock 2, and whenever I come across Mark and Cindy, I have felt conflicted about wether I should kill him or not, even though I inevitably choose to kill him and then save Cindy. All of the side stories and how they are interwoven with the main plot are part of what makes the Bioshock games interesting.
See my thing here about big daddies is that how is it that easy to transform someone like aren't they heavily modified with like metal and cybernetics this game makes it seem like it takes an hour at most maybe 20 mins
I'm pretty sure a lot of the higher ranked splices in Lambs cult still have Suchongs work on file to keep in demand for both the big daddies and little sisters
Someone need to make a fangame about that fricking cool story !!! And At the end we can see a cool animation whit delta killin' Mark and adopt Cindy !!! Frick !
there was a web page connected to this before the game released mark was the best part of the game after weeks of looking for his daughter with him the game launched and he was in it. it was epic..
Just recently played BioShock 2 remastered on my PS4. The first time I saw his name after defeating him, I was downright shocked and heartbroken to find out that it was him. Knowing that becoming a Big Daddy to be with his daughter was his fate is just awful.
The side story of Meltzer was very riveting, and when I found the big daddy and little sister pair, I thought they were just another regular set. But when I found the last audio diary I instantly regretted my killing of Mark.
@@Scooty_ It was an amazing ARG that was a point-and-click adventure-style game that was this interactive version of Mark Meltzer's desk where you would click on letters, check his answering machine, etc. and see his research into Rapture. As the game progressed you could access more and more of his office. There was a Sander Cohen-esque person who escaped from Rapture who was a genius with codes and mechanisms. He was in an insane asylum but wrote letters to Mark and sent puzzle boxes with clues which the BioShock fan community worked together to figure out how to solve. It was tons of fun.
Wow, man, I missed the last bit of this side story when I played BioShock 2. I didn't know I interacted with these two! I know I saved Cindy, as I always spared the little sisters, but I'm saddened to know I killed her father in the process 😢
This man actually managed to escape Rapture but crash landed on the Planet Apokalips where he proceeded to rule and conquer other civilisations with an iron fist!
I’m sorry but if they made a huge team to build past day rapture at it’s finest hour and there’s at least a couple storylines, bioshock can be such a HUGE platform I wish they did something like that
I was saving all of the little sisters, so when I found Cindy I didn't know she was Cindy, nor did I know that the Rumbler was Mark, so I froze Mark and killed him. (It was a very quick death fyi). When he died I adopted the little sister (as I always do) and took her to a vent and rescued her (also as I always do, I almost never do the whole "make innocent little child find dead bodys and drink their blood just so you can get more power" thing). Only after I went back to the Rumbler's body and his name popped up, I was like, "WTH did I just do". (I went back to search the body.) At the same time that I feel sad for killing him and thus, making her not have a father, I was glad because she would be saved and not be stuck living as a hypnotized, drinking blood, and constantly having creepy addicts try to steal and kill her.
I think Mr. Meltzer would have approved her daughter being rescued from sad, pitiful existence even if it cost his own life. Still weird laziness from makers to not make Little Sisters have any differences.
I hate killing mark meltzer but I feel like it's a merciful end for the man. You save his daughter from a horrible fate and you end mark meltzers pain from being a big daddy
When I first heard about Mark when I checked out the loot on the entranced I tried doing research on my own and found this video I’m playing the remastered version of course but still a fun game to play cause if the lore
I don't even know what the animation for saving a little sister looks like I've never done it, And I've beaten the games multiple times. But I might actually try it now that I saw this video. I might actually see little girls instead of Adam bags
Its sad perhaphs if delta arrived sooner he could have saved martin ftom the little sister but then again he is a big daddy so martin would have seen him as a enemy
Honestly I always save Mark's daughter because in his last audio diary he wanted to find the cure for Cindy and didn't want her to be like one of the little sisters. So whenever I put mark down I just pick Cindy up and just take her to the vents without needing Adam, it's what Mark would've wanted atleast.
This is all very interesting, but I am only one minute in, and I already gotta ask, where do you get all this from? I have played through the entire game multiple times and (to my knowledge) gotten all the audio diaries, but never was it explained to me in detail how and when Cindy was kidnapped. I do realize there is a lot of info in the bioshock fandom page too that isn't present in the game, but again I gotta ignorantly ask, where do people get all that from? Interviews? Data mining?
In my case, I actually thought "I" was Mark Meltzer at some point. I think hunting for recordings to try and piece the story together started to stretch it a little thin, as the main character arcs started to twist and turn. It disconnected me from meaningful interactions with the in-game characters a little bit. I wish I would have known it was Mark, before I engaged him, e.g. through Sinclair... Either way, I enjoyed the delusion while it lasted.
I wish his story was a DLC. I remember my first time playing the game years ago. I was horrified when it was revealed that I ended up killing him. It felt like a huge gut punch. At least I was able to rescue his daughter.
If this story was a DLC I wish that topside (delta) is the final Boss And is an unbeateble Boss. And that on the end you see that topside saved cindy And then " Im Glad that i died for her "
The first game came out when I was 5 im 15 now and playing all the bioshock 1 and 2 remastered and infinite doing everything I can in the games I've finished all the DLCs but I feel as if there's still mystery in the games
5 лет назад+2
i was thinking about searching this cus i wanted the story but u made one yeet love
Hey guys, I really hope you enjoyed this video. I know that this took longer than expected, but I hope it was worth the wait. Also, some other good news, I'm going to start posting more often and going to start streaming again soon as well. Anyways, hope you ladies and gents have a great rest of your day/night.
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@@willemdafoesfruitcake8600 Thank you for the kind words
@FNAF gaming I'm happy to keep you entertained!
TheBioshockHub If only we had met mark earlier we could be fighting on the same Sid saving Are Little girls from the bad guy
Even though I didn’t meet him Mark was a good man:(
Video on vigors; what are they, how are they different from plasmids, and which is better.
You know what's crazy? How audio diaries in the Bioshock 2 and the other Bioshock games have more detailed and deeper stories than many games nowadays.
I love just picking them up and listening to what that specific character has to say. It's awesome!
@@TheBioshockHub Exactly. In Bioshock 1 and 2 I always looked forward to an audio log because it uncovered more of the story of rapture and it's people.
@@makenziebrennan4027 Same here!
Makenzie Brennan Real rap
@@makenziebrennan4027 i liked how they did it in bendy in the bendy and the ink machine that game always reminded me of bioshock though
Bioshock 1's story - Mind blowing and complex
Bioshock 2's story - Emotional and touching
bioshock infinite's story - complex and goddamn stupid
Bruh
@@mrexeptionel9530 Anna was hell of a companion tho
@@mrexeptionel9530 awwww you didnt get its ok...
@@mrexeptionel9530 it was nowhere near stupid
When I first played it, I killed him without thinking since I thought "hey, Big Daddy= Little Sister." But when I saw his story and whatnot, I felt sorry. But also, when I did a 2nd run of it, I found him dead. He legit was dead laying there with his daughter weeping. The feels...
Backstories are amazing.
I did exactly what you did, But i was looking for him the entire time . I thought there was a way to save him and his daughter,so after i killed him and loot his body i see his name tag and it was like a blow to the stomach.
@@JoJo-os8io same I legit went through the whole game looking for him heard him I was like oh maybe I can see him and ya killed him played the tape listened to it and I did one of those double takes to look at him
Same I did that and when i found him and his name there I felt👊
I needed to save his little sister and he was standing in my way. You have to no choice but to kill him
His story would’ve made an amazing DLC
I agree. Imagine having both Minerva's Den and Mark Meltzer's journey as DLC for Bioshock 2.
5 yrs later new game on it
Why are my replies reapeating
@@erroraccountnotfoundthisac166 what do you mean new game
I'm a father, I have a little girl of my own. So when this story played out for me in my game it was especially poignant. I can't imagine what was going through Mark's mind as this all transpired, but I can't say for certain that I wouldn't have done the exact same thing in his case.
I hope you and your daughter are well :)
Respect
Honestly... I would have, if it were my daughter, If I had a daughter...
At least Mark got paired with her in the end, no?
I feel like bioshock 2's main strory got overshadowed by the amazing side stories and the DLC
I agree
@@TheBioshockHub I don't. I believe subject Delta and Eleanor are both pretty charismatic, and Delta's struggle to save "his" Eleanor was touching
Well maybe to some, but not to me. I liked following all of the side stories, but re-uniting Delta with Eleanor was always my main drive and was a very strong story for me.
I think no cus the main is very touching
@@stefanoalbertini3508 I never really felt like they drove it home. I just finished 2 from the collection and I wish Delta showed some kinda emotion showing he cared for his daughter.
I LOVED following Mark’s story throughout the game. It was so.. so.. dark yet riveting. My heart broke for him when he became a big daddy and I found out I killed him. Holy shit that story had my heart more than the campaign story 😅 You my man Mark, may you and Cindy be together forever in death
I'll be doing something with "There's Something in the Sea" soon :)
It was crazy when I found out I kill mark and I feel bad 😢
@@futurecyber01 I felt bad too, but I'm happy that they incorporated There's Something in the Sea into the actual game as well. It was too damn good to not include.
I'm evil so I felt not even the smallest bit of sadness instea I thought it was a favor cus he had his flesh mixed with metal I watched fnaf lore
Everyone better leave alike
It was sad for Meltzer . In the earlier levels, I heard him and when i got to the room he was gone. When I played the game, I didn't know it was him when he became a Big Daddy. after I killed and listen to his audio video . I felt bad. Meltzer told Sofia that he wasn't the first person that found Rapture and he won't be the last. When I ended his life, I was sad but I felt I put him out of his misery and rescue his daughter. Meltzer would have wanted his daughter free . I was determine to stop Sofia and her insane plans. I saved Cindy and free her, I made sure that Mark Meltzer doesn't spend the rest of his life as a Big Daddy. I free them both. Even if it was a tragedy.
Both of their stories are absolutely heartbreaking.
Wait..? He was a big daddy? I just kill all of them without mercy and then rescue the little sisters
@@thatidiotfuck921 You didn't notice the audio log on the Big Daddy's body?
@@AH-is5yg no wasn’t paying attention
@@thatidiotfuck921 If you were trying to find all the audio logs throughout the game you might find this
The one dislike is from Sofia lamb
Damn it Sofia.
@@TheBioshockHub
You know a better name for her would be Karen because she takes all the kids
Lol. Damn it Karen, I just want to see them. It's been 5 years.
@@TheBioshockHub
This kinda reminds me of the cut ending for bioshock 2 where delta and Sofia have a custody battle over eleanor
LMAO
Mark Meltzer is one of my favorite Bioshock characters ever. I wish we would have seen more of him... but somehow it is also perfect the way it is.
I agree we should've seen more of Mark but sometimes less is more
There was the whole ARG y'know.
This would’ve been great DLC
I completely agree with that. Could you imagine having both Minerva's Den and a Mark Meltzer DLC?
It may have not been a DLC but it was one hell of an ARG
This was probably one the saddest “side stories” I’ve ever seen in Bioshock...I immediately saved Cindy and didn’t use her to collect ADAM. For Marks sake...
I was listening to Mark's audio diaries and was engrossed in the story, but by the time I saw him I just immediately froze and drilled him and only after the fact realized it was him. Kind of an underwhelming death for good old Mark lol
I wish there was a way to save him as well, but it sucks.
One thing I didn't notice mentioned in the video or the comments is how great of a voice actor the person that voiced Meltzer is. He really sold the character and the story for me. Him and actor of Potter from Minerva's Den.
It's incredible in what's amounts to about 5 minutes of audiologs and dealing with him as a Big Daddy how much this hits like a ton of bricks. This is even without me having prior knowledge of the ARG with him. It's crazy to think that he initially wasn't going to be in the game.
The amount of determination to find his daughter and to find Rapture...dude was like Liam Neeson in Taken...too bad his story ends in tragedy.
How did Mark Survive in Rapture without Plasmids
Yes, everything is true. Meltzer wants to find his daughter in the Rapture. When Big Sister grab his daughters and Meltzer tried defeat Big Sister but failed. Both Cindy and Meltzer are capture by Sofia lamb his choice to Cindy side and become Big Daddy. Poor Meltzer. If he had a chance get power and weapons like Jack do.
Sadly,if he did,he wasn't genetically engineered like jack so be would've suffered from the effects of plasmids
But there's also the fact that Jack wouldn't have stood a chance in "this" Rapture. I dont think he would have survived even with weaponry...Killmg him is a mercy for how I wish to see it...
@@KamikazeeAliens lmao jack would have been wrecked by the first big sister he came across. Also the brute splicers would tear jack apart. Thank god jack is ryan biological son. Jack DNA is recognized by the vita chambers and raptures automated security systems and bathypsheres.
@@Jew_Gi_Oh nah in the mueseum of bioshock, they created brute splicers but never coded heir behavoir. Jack most definitely could kill a brute splicer. Also the big sister absorbs adam from splicers so jack woul hv a chance against those
your videos are a masterpiece bioshock savior
Please, just call me Erik lol.
Erick you saved bioshock and made it amazing again
This is a story I will never get bored of. I try to leave him and Cindy alone whenever I can but a lot of the times, I have hypnosis on an Alpha or a big daddy and he ends up attacking Mark, and/or I’m trying to shoot down a splicer, following by a lot of guilt. Lol, but thanks, I really enjoyed the video
I'm glad you enjoyed it. I put a lot into this video, so I appreciate the kind words
I tried doing that as well, but the game is just programmed that way.
Honestly killing him is best and is probably what he would have wanted their is no way he would want to live the rest of his short lived life in a ruined city constantly defending his daughter from murderous drug addicts as long as he could trust you to save his daughter thats all he would care about
I feel really really sorry for this man. First off, having your kid be kidnapped, and then prolly dying to the player. That doesn't compare to becoming a big daddy. Protecting a random child until you die must suck. Loved the vid btw. I love lore videos like this, I'm play Bioshock 1 2 and Infinite in my spare time, and lore vids like these help a new person to a game understand the backstory.
Damn this was sick. We need more vids on oh the audio dairies there’s a lot of good story’s to tell
I can edit future Bioshock Lore videos like this, no problem.
TheBioshockHub dank Eric
Do you still stream on RUclips or do you do that on twitch now?
Still stream weekly?
@@tannerdake5436 YT
I went through the whole game up until that point hoping with all my being that he was going to be successful. It actually emotionally hurt when I finally found him.
His and Cindy's story is tragic. But on the plus side, we get to rescue Cindy and Mark got to be with her all along.
It’s Finally here!!! Bless me Eric
I’m still waiting for the multiplayer live stream though.. i tested it out with some guys in the community server on stream and it was much better than i expected for it’s time! Now i also know where they got the Idea of the vigor in infinite where u boost punch with the sky hook...
I love this story and still is very sad 😢 and can’t believe mark go so far to find his daughter and end up in rapture where everything falling apart and caos
“Would you kindly subscribe?”
Captain America: I got that reference.
I love that meme lol.
I've been waiting for this video for a long time.
I know and I'm sorry for that.
Mark's story really got to me first time playing
I hope that they do something like "There's something in the sea" for bioshock 4
Same.
i thought he was dead when he fight against big sister i search for his corpse but i dont found it then today i see a random video about shock2 and i know he be a big dady what bring me to you again his story its very interesting i love it more than the main story
My girlfriend and I missed the last diary for Meltzer, and when I went to loot the big daddy corpese and it was named we both were speechless. Thank you for recapping his story. (Also when I killed Meltzer, again without knowing, there was no little sister. So I don't know where the fuck Cindy was. We got the best ending so I assume she's with Eleanor on the surface and no one can tell me otherwise)
Just found out Meltzer was voiced by the same person who voiced Darkseid in ZSJL, Ray Porter. Not at all related, but I'll just enjoy this amazing story even more the next time I play.
Also, I do wish Meltzer had some barely discernible last words, like Sinclair.
Something In The Sea was an amazing promo ARG. I sent in a letter to Mark Meltzer and got my own Rapture Record in the mail, and am Man O'War Pawn in the International Order Of the Pawns. Awesome!
It was so much fun.
I didn't even play video games at the time it played out. I am so disappointed I missed it when it was actually going on, but glad the archives exist
And my dumbass wondered why there was a big daddy named mark
Been waiting for this video! Also that's a fantastic thumbnail Erik! 🖒 but yeah this totally should have been a DLC for BioShock 2 or better yet an entire length game!
I promised it a while ago. I'm just sorry this video took so long. :/
@@TheBioshockHub better late than never!
I have really been enjoying your biographies of the Bioshock characters. I was really looking forward to this one! I do have a couple of critiques though.
First, I think it would have been a lot better if you began with summarizing Something in the Sea and thus gave a framework for Cindy's kidnapping. By starting with her kidnapping with zero context, it doesn't make much sense. And more information about his search in general, pulled from the Something in the Sea archives would have really been a benefit, since it was such a huge piece of his life. Like, how did he even start searching, why did that lead to Cindy being kidnapped? How did he found stories about the missing artists and scientists, and begin piecing things together? How did he find Rapture's coordinates? You said something like "after the attack on his ship, he entered Rapture through the lighthouse". What attack??? What ship? And how did he find the lighthouse? This is all important character development. You went so thoroughly into Ryan's backstory, it was really a shame that you didn't go into Melzer's, whenthere is an archive of SitS.
I liked having the audio diaries interspersed throughout the video. However, it was super redundant for you to be telling the story, and then play an audio diary, only for us to find that you had just told us the contents of the diary, often with direct quotes. Just tell the story *up to* where the diary starts, and the just play the diary. Don't tell us what is in the diary, and then immediately play the diary.
Meltzer and Cindy just break my heart. The first time I played, when his name appeared on the corpse, I was shocked. Absolutely broke my heart. It is always sad to me to kill him, and rescue Cindy to live her life without hee father. Hopefully she finds her way back to her mother when you bring all of the rescued Little Sisters to the surface (i always play as a rescuer). It is so very poignant, though, that he chose to become a protector (which must involve *agonizing* pain as they are grafted into the suits) just so he can be with Cindy, only to be killed and lose her forever. Right in the feels.
I love this story. Really heart breaking but so beautiful too.
If there every is a bioshock 4 then I hope his story is a dlc
There's a new Bioshock in development my friend :)
Here you go - twitter.com/bioshock/status/1204023733406404608
Isn't cidy the plot device in burial at sea? Blond and cindy?
@@highfivemistertorque4537 Burial at Sea is Sally.
*amazing story i didn't know Bioshock 2 have that powerful story*
The worst nightmare of Mark end up finding out where his daughter is and finding out more insane stuff happening in Rapture
YES, that was one of those fantastic stories of Bioshock. Very tragic deep story, especially as i am a father myself! The Mark Meltzer story coupled with the Charles Milton Porter story was the best in Bioshock 2 imo
Audio logs is such a genius idea, unlike boring big text blocks like other games. You get to listen to great lore with great voice acting and can still play the game while you hear it! Wish more games would do this
Mark's story is one of the reasons why I will always kill Lamb. She is just as sick as Ryan was but to self righteous to realize it.
When it was revealed that he was made into an alpha series I stood up and yelled in anger "no no everyone freaking dies not mark" as I wanted him to survive and escape with him
My favorite part of that game was honestly the Diaries... I love it when games use audio diaries to tell back stories and important details in more immersive way like with Mark Meltzer's story.
Finally! Mark Meltzer!
Hope you enjoy it!
TheBioshockHub I did
i loved this mini story- the franchise should explore more of the relationship between the surface and rapture more
I loved that you said “(would you kindly) like the video” that deserves a like
Thank you friend!
Wasn't able to follow this guy story thank you so much for making this one!
Not a problem. It's a video I've wanted to make for a long time.
What hit me the hardest was after the moment after you kill Mike. As you walk up to her, she brightens up and looks at you. Just like any other little sister.
"Daddy! You always save me from the monsters!"
I was speechless.
When i remember Mark, always comes to my mind the song "Daddy won't You please come home" of the game
If you think about it, Lamb probably knew that someone would try to find Rapture in search of the girls who were kidnapped from the surface and might have even thought of a way to use this to gain more followers in the cult of personality that she had instilled in the people of Rapture. I love replaying Bioshock 2, and whenever I come across Mark and Cindy, I have felt conflicted about wether I should kill him or not, even though I inevitably choose to kill him and then save Cindy. All of the side stories and how they are interwoven with the main plot are part of what makes the Bioshock games interesting.
Very good, very good. You do these well dude.
I appreciate that
Amazing video and explanation 😇 Rest In Peace those great men and women in Rapture
I know I'm late but this channel is friking amazing
Thank you! I'm happy you enjoy the content!
If they ever make a movie on bioshock and rapture, mark would make the best protagonist imo
Damn, I feel so sorry for him, the audio diary in Dionysus Park is the saddest
The whole story is really messed up :/
See my thing here about big daddies is that how is it that easy to transform someone like aren't they heavily modified with like metal and cybernetics this game makes it seem like it takes an hour at most maybe 20 mins
With the amount that were generated, I'd assume they have that entire process near perfected with crazy speed.
And it's not like sofia just turned him into a big daddy by herself, she has a whole cult behind her.
I'm pretty sure a lot of the higher ranked splices in Lambs cult still have Suchongs work on file to keep in demand for both the big daddies and little sisters
Replaying the game it broke me when I just killed him he put up a good fight
Someone need to make a fangame about that fricking cool story !!! And At the end we can see a cool animation whit delta killin' Mark and adopt Cindy !!! Frick !
Cool video man
Glad you enjoyed it!
there was a web page connected to this before the game released mark was the best part of the game after weeks of looking for his daughter with him the game launched and he was in it. it was epic..
Just recently played BioShock 2 remastered on my PS4. The first time I saw his name after defeating him, I was downright shocked and heartbroken to find out that it was him. Knowing that becoming a Big Daddy to be with his daughter was his fate is just awful.
Great video man! Subbed brother!
Thank you Sean. Hope you enjoy the whole catalog of videos on the channel!
a fantastic video please keep these videos coming because i love bioshock
You got it! Thank you.
The side story of Meltzer was very riveting, and when I found the big daddy and little sister pair, I thought they were just another regular set. But when I found the last audio diary I instantly regretted my killing of Mark.
His and Cindy's whole story should have been a secondary DLC to Minerva's Den... There was so much there that they could've done with.
TheBioshockHub definitely
Look on the bright side: after killing Mark you could save Cindy. This is what he would have wanted, despite it costing his life.
That's what I liked about it. It's kind of bittersweet.
Having a bit of trouble finding there’s something in the sea where is the link?
www.rapturearchives.org/php/sits.php (It's archived)
TheBioshockHub what exactly is something in the sea? I thought it was a article
@@Scooty_ It was an amazing ARG that was a point-and-click adventure-style game that was this interactive version of Mark Meltzer's desk where you would click on letters, check his answering machine, etc. and see his research into Rapture. As the game progressed you could access more and more of his office. There was a Sander Cohen-esque person who escaped from Rapture who was a genius with codes and mechanisms. He was in an insane asylum but wrote letters to Mark and sent puzzle boxes with clues which the BioShock fan community worked together to figure out how to solve. It was tons of fun.
survivordave awesome
Love the video 🥰
Marks story is a great example of the consequences of love and obsession. Would have loved to see a DLC showing his complete side of the story.
I agree
Wow, man, I missed the last bit of this side story when I played BioShock 2. I didn't know I interacted with these two! I know I saved Cindy, as I always spared the little sisters, but I'm saddened to know I killed her father in the process 😢
It's definitely an emotional backstory the more you look into it.
This man actually managed to escape Rapture but crash landed on the Planet Apokalips where he proceeded to rule and conquer other civilisations with an iron fist!
I'm playing Bioshock 2 first time on the Nintendo switch and these accu-vox we're my favorite to look for.
I dont know if he meant what he said at the end of the video as a reference/joke from boishock or not when he says "Would you kindly. "
It's on purpose, just to fit the theme of the channel/content. :)
i love how in one of the audio diaries you hear a idot atticking a little sister and big daddy
Nice video 👌🏻
i didnt find a final recorder, i got the ending where we spared dr lamb now i see it as a bad ending
Same here man I always save the little sisters because that's what heroes Do
I’m sorry but if they made a huge team to build past day rapture at it’s finest hour and there’s at least a couple storylines, bioshock can be such a HUGE platform I wish they did something like that
There should've been a dlc when you play as him and go through rapture as human him
I was saving all of the little sisters, so when I found Cindy I didn't know she was Cindy, nor did I know that the Rumbler was Mark, so I froze Mark and killed him. (It was a very quick death fyi). When he died I adopted the little sister (as I always do) and took her to a vent and rescued her (also as I always do, I almost never do the whole "make innocent little child find dead bodys and drink their blood just so you can get more power" thing). Only after I went back to the Rumbler's body and his name popped up, I was like, "WTH did I just do". (I went back to search the body.)
At the same time that I feel sad for killing him and thus, making her not have a father, I was glad because she would be saved and not be stuck living as a hypnotized, drinking blood, and constantly having creepy addicts try to steal and kill her.
I think Mr. Meltzer would have approved her daughter being rescued from sad, pitiful existence even if it cost his own life. Still weird laziness from makers to not make Little Sisters have any differences.
I hate killing mark meltzer but I feel like it's a merciful end for the man. You save his daughter from a horrible fate and you end mark meltzers pain from being a big daddy
I killed him without knowing it was mark, I was hoping you could help him or something and then I found the audiolog on his body and I felt terrible
When I first heard about Mark when I checked out the loot on the entranced I tried doing research on my own and found this video I’m playing the remastered version of course but still a fun game to play cause if the lore
Mark seemed like a pretty smart dude and I would’ve like to help him Escape if I couldn’t save Sinclair
I don't even know what the animation for saving a little sister looks like I've never done it, And I've beaten the games multiple times. But I might actually try it now that I saw this video. I might actually see little girls instead of Adam bags
Honestly this would be a great dlc like Minerva dens. Like he became a big daddy but tenebum or Sinclair stop short of the mental conditioning.
Its sad perhaphs if delta arrived sooner he could have saved martin ftom the little sister but then again he is a big daddy so martin would have seen him as a enemy
The whole Cindy and Mark Meltzer backstory is pretty tragic.
Honestly I always save Mark's daughter because in his last audio diary he wanted to find the cure for Cindy and didn't want her to be like one of the little sisters. So whenever I put mark down I just pick Cindy up and just take her to the vents without needing Adam, it's what Mark would've wanted atleast.
Marks story is what Deltas would've been if he failed to save Eleanor
When you realize Cindy is crying after you kill the Big Daddy without knowing that’s also her real Dad who came all this way to save her.
Wish we were able to team up with him for a bit like we do with sinckair would have been nice like you finding your daughter
I wish his story played out as a DLC along with Minerva's Den. Bioshock 2 would have been loaded!
This is all very interesting, but I am only one minute in, and I already gotta ask, where do you get all this from? I have played through the entire game multiple times and (to my knowledge) gotten all the audio diaries, but never was it explained to me in detail how and when Cindy was kidnapped. I do realize there is a lot of info in the bioshock fandom page too that isn't present in the game, but again I gotta ignorantly ask, where do people get all that from? Interviews? Data mining?
I finished Bioshock 1 then found this channel. Finished B2 then I'm back to this channel lol
In my case, I actually thought "I" was Mark Meltzer at some point. I think hunting for recordings to try and piece the story together started to stretch it a little thin, as the main character arcs started to twist and turn. It disconnected me from meaningful interactions with the in-game characters a little bit.
I wish I would have known it was Mark, before I engaged him, e.g. through Sinclair...
Either way, I enjoyed the delusion while it lasted.
When I killed the Big Daddy ti rescue the Little Sister I fehlt bad, after discovering who he was...
I wish his story was a DLC.
I remember my first time playing the game years ago. I was horrified when it was revealed that I ended up killing him. It felt like a huge gut punch. At least I was able to rescue his daughter.
Would've made for a hell of a DLC
0:00 You too buddy, it’s 128 right now
imagine if they made a DLC for Bioshock 2 where you play as Mark Meltzer
I'd love it.
If this story was a DLC
I wish that topside (delta) is the final Boss
And is an unbeateble Boss.
And that on the end you see that topside saved cindy
And then
" Im Glad that i died for her "
The first game came out when I was 5 im 15 now and playing all the bioshock 1 and 2 remastered and infinite doing everything I can in the games I've finished all the DLCs but I feel as if there's still mystery in the games
i was thinking about searching this cus i wanted the story but u made one yeet love