Bioshock 2 The Story of Subject Delta Part 2 | Johnny Topside, Eleanor Lamb & More (Bioshock 2 Lore)
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- Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2019
- Welcome back my Rapture Family to another brand new Bioshock 2 video. In today's video, we'll be taking a look at Part 2 of The Story of Subject Delta! To check out part 1, I'll leave a link below. Hope you enjoy!
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It's interesting how the developers of BS2 planned Delta to be the one that killed Suchong. Now that would have been interesting, but (un)fortinitely (it's up to opinions to decide) in Infinite BaS, a bouncer ends it's creator, the asian frankenstein
Now that would have been pretty cool.
@@TheBioshockHub I think it is more of a iconic appearance being put before actual events. Alpha-series just isn't as known visually.
@@TheBioshockHub I know that in general, Subject Delta or Delta for short, he still loves her actual daughter, Eleanor Lamb. Since he hates her wife, Sofia Lamb.
@@TheBioshockHub we know that Subject Delta or Delta for short, is no monster at all. We know he's human on the inside.
I'd like to imagine after Delta's assassination by Sofia lamb, the big daddy program realized how poor the idea of a removable helmet on your great defender actually is.
Goblin I’m delta
1:45 Dat shotgun do be vibin' doe
I just had to stop and admire it for a little bit lol.
Lmaoo
The thing about Delta that really saddens me, is that he is 100% Aware of what had happened to him.
He found out that he WAS Johnny Topside.
His transformation was completely forced upon him because he 'came across' rapture while diving.
Kinda scary if you ask me.
Man I still consider it canon that Elanor is his kid. But if you think about it like that, it's like a horror version of finding Nemo lol.
Bioshock: finding elanor XD
Honestly if you pay very close attention to what Sophia Lamb says throughout the game, she pretty much states that he is her actual father. And we know Eleanor was a test subject baby, as Sophia stated in an audio that carrying her was a duty to the people. The audios in regard to Eleanor felt very much like the one's regarding Jack in Bioshock 1.
@@ryninabin3518 She even flat out says it in her mother and father locking eyes speech.
Finding Adam
Regarding the death of Delta, it goes a little deeper than that. Throughout the series scientists constantly do experiments on things they do not fully understand. Keep that in mind for a moment. Eleanor's ability that Lamb constantly goes on about is her ability to have the memories and minds of all the "family" through which she wants to make her the perfect (first) utopian. This is an ability unique to Eleanor. When she absorbs Delta it's actually a reveal that she doesn't just understand everyone, but that they are all alive in her mind. There's another theory that Delta is the only one alive in her mind because of their strong connection. I am not sure which may be the case between the two but Delta in fact does not die. She is in a way the Overmind for Rapture, which is why she can control all the little sisters or anyone whose adam she has come in contact with.
Unless you pick the neutral ending then Delta is dead
@@Dinoman-mo7mt Nope.
What you read about Andrew hiring Topside was very interesting, if the is true that would be a epic plot twist. I like how you do your Bioshock videos keep it up i love them.
Will do, my friend!
Delta is used to mark change. Subject Delta was first to change demeanour of Little Sisters. His presence and affection he showed to Elanor Lamb changed her. Delta changed lots of things just being what Big Daddy is - a protector who is always there.
I did know majority of that but some of that stuff the one that sticks out to meparticularly was the one that had Eleanor as Delta's biological father out of all of the cut since that is still in the game files they could have put that back in the remastered version and it would have made a much more interesting story because in a way that's another family story that seems to be the way BioShock is because I mean you got the first one that has to do with Jack and Andrew Ryan then you got the BioShock 2 that has to do with subject Delta and Eleanore and Sophia lamb somewhat and then you have BioShock infinite that has to do with Booker DeWitt and Anna Dowitt/Elizabeth so really all throughout the Bioshock series it really has to do with family
I enjoyed how you don't see their faces. Added to the atmosphere of the game.
Jack was also another “big daddy” that wasn’t grafted to his suit. But I guess he’s sudo big daddy
But delta is the "alpha" man
I'll see myself out now
@@alexmercer5414 LOL
It wouldave made the father daughter dynamic much more impactful near the end of deltas life if that vision was kept. I still wish bio2 got more love and had a NG+ mode.
Wait it doesn't?? I'm right at the end of BioShock 2 (obviously doing good ending. The good ending is the only ending lol) and I was really excited to go back in and get the rest of the upgrades for my weapons and plasmids
This isn’t a question it’s more of a statement, first I enjoyed this episode and remember in Bioshock there’s an audio dairy of a photographer saying that Fontaine had a relationship with Tenenbaum? well In the novel that was confirmed which could explain why Fontaine is pissed off at her. sorry for rambling.
No need to say sorry!
TheBioshockHub Thanks I just thought I was rambling to much, also I just happen to be playing Bioshock a few hours ago.
@@ceceliaacaba2739 No such thing as too much rambling.
TheBioshockHub Thanks for that and I hope you are feeling better!
Hey bro, I'm totally late here in the game, but yeah good stuff. LOVE Bioshock through and through, and your in depth investigation into the lore, and detailed explanation of time lines and characters just helps to bring this fascinating game(s) round full circle. Thanks, and great work. - VG
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@@TheBioshockHub I actually just stumbled upon your channel today. And happy to have done so. As my handle indicates, I am not a player, just can't seem to get my head wrapped around the controller, and have lost any confidence in attempting to learn how to use one, LOL. I thoroughly enjoy watching others play and I really enjoy learning the lore of my favorite games. It makes the story so much more grand and interesting. You mentioned a Rapture book ? What exactly is the title ? I'd like to purchase this book. The lore of Fallout has been fascinating me for years. No doubt you find the story fascinating as well ? And honestly, I kind of forgot about Bioshock until today when I stumbled upon your awesome channel. I've found a grouping of your lore videos and am having a couple of beers and enjoying the play list. Thanks again brother and keep up the outstanding heartfelt work. - VG
@theBioshockHub you should do a video on the little sister Vents
This video is amazing, I can't wait to see more of your lore videos, there're very interesting. Can't wait for the next one.👍❤
Is the new series idea okay?
@@TheBioshockHub Your new series idea is definitely okay, it's really cool. Good job.👏
@@katiemartin487 I appreciate that.
👍 Yes, that's correct story of Subject Delta. His real name is Johnny Topside before became first Alpha Series Subject Delta and protect Little Sister Eleanor.
After Delta was hypnotize big daddy by splicers and killed himself by Sofia Lamb in 1958.
After Delta death. There was multiplayer in apartment character to join Sinclair Solutions in 1959 before 1960 Airplane was blow up and Jack will arrive in Rapture.
In 1968 Eleanor grow up and sent little sister find Delta's body and extract a gene sample to calibrate the Vita-Chambers. Mark Meltzer arrive same Jack did before Delta begin get plasmid electro bolt. Man I wish there was timeline Delta meet will help Mark Meltzer quest to find his daughter with Sinclair together before Big Sister capture his daughter and Mark taken to Sofia Lamb location before Delta arrive.
Ok
Maybe there is a timeline where that happens.
If you consider Infinite, that is.
It's good to know the truth behind the story thank you bioshock hub
PLUS: it was me in apex
I figured. And the overall story of Delta is on my channel. This video is a spin-off series giving additional information I didn't mention during the initial video.
I'm reading a book called "Rapture" that tell the story of the creation and evolution of rapture.
It have 400 pages and its really good, i recommend.
I think it's the one I was implying within the video. It's definitely a great read.
@@TheBioshockHub I Know that there's another book called "Rapture: The Big Daddy", and another called "From Rapture to Columbia".
@@TrapperAaron www.amazon.com/BioShock-Rapture-John-Shirley-July/dp/B00DEKE6T4/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=john+shirley+rapture&qid=1574720999&sr=8-2
always wanted to see his face , wondering if you'd do a map of rapture type video where you go over your favorite areas in rapture
That actually sounds like a rather interesting video.
Imagine if atlas sent delta to kill Andrew Ryan. He would be so f*cked.
It'd probably be more brutal than what happened to Suchong.
Imagine if Delta killed Ryan the same it the suchong did but Delta would kill him with plasmids and maybe tortured him?that would be brutal
@@amandalonghi5945 I think it'd be funny if he just used a Mini-Turret and trapped Suchong in a corner or something lol.
@@TheBioshockHub LOL it would be funny XD.
Nice research and great video man ❤️
Thank ya
Great idea Eric! I love it and am looking forward to more of these videos.
Thank you
Hey I'm a huge bioschock fan and I love watching ur videos and how mutch you cover on characters
If big daddies can throw people through windows, and Delta has a BIG drill on his hand, doesn't that mean that Delta could've just broke the glass to get to Eleanor and killed Sofia before she could smother her? Therefore keeping the bond between the two, and Delta would've been able to escape with Eleanor and the little sisters on the escape pod.
Yeah but, for gameplay reasons, he can't.
And, well, the only thing that could destroy Rapture windows were the Big Sisters.
I assume the Quarantine Glass is made of sterner materials that not even a Big Daddy can break.
This is so great. I just beat this and am literally doing my second playthrough right now.
Hope you enjoy the series my friend! And if you want to know more about Delta in general, I made a video all about him :D
@@TheBioshockHub Thanks! I am cringing playing BS2 as a bad guy this go-around. I have a baby girl at home and it is torture to kill these little sisters. Loving the drill only playthrough tho.
@@caffeinechaos1334 YOU MONSTER!
I love this character!
BTW: loved the video
I appreciate that.
@@TheBioshockHub No worries:)
Ok so Rosies are among the big daddys whos flesh and organs are grafted into their suits. I find it extremely odd that in bioshock 2, and more rarely in 1, you find rosie suits, helmets, and boots just lying around, or hung up on walls and lockers by the airlock rooms. As if they take it off when they come back in from the ocean, then put it on when they go back out. It's a cool environmental detail but still odd considering the lore.
Seems like a bit of a continuity error on someone's part. I see what you mean now.
Maybe like a picture of delta's face as an Easter egg or something like that, but if all u are going to see is a mutated face that's like a big pile of flesh, then no.
I'm not sure what you'd see
Maybe above or below the picture it could say Johnny topside or subject delta
Could you make a video talking about the original story of bioshock infinite?, and how the choices could have affected or the "multiple endings" that had been mentioned?.
Shout out to that shotgun at 1:46
If Delta's essence, memories, the who he is, is currently contained within Eleanor's body ..
What's to stop her from bringing him back again?
Or does she run the risk of later having a child of her own & it actually be Delta "born again"?
I have a question about Johnny Topside. As we might know he worked as a deep sea diver,
but do ever get to know where he worked or what the name of the business he worked at was?
There really wasn't much about him, backstory wise. There was a cut concept video of a diver finding Rapture and losing contact with his ship. It's in the files of the game still I believe. But other than that, there isn't much to go with :/ I would've loved to learn more.
Regarding the rapture novel is there an audio book for it? Narrating the whole story because that'd be awesome to me, I can read on my own quite well as a matter of fact however I never have the patience to sit and read a book through lol. Listening to narrations is perfect since I can go about my daily tasks while I get absorbed into a story :).
I’m just gonna pretend that Delta is Eleanor’s biological daughter
You don't have to pretend... he is.
TheBioshockHub Yeah
One thing i never could get right, how does the alpha series fit into the bioshock timeline? In 1960 we see suchong dead and the big daddy complete,but delta was finished in 59.
Nice video
Thank you my friend.
good video
Bioshock 2 is like New Vegas, both were worthy canonical sequels discredited by their own publishers.
Bethesda never discredited new Vegas.
So heres a question, if eleanor was able to bring delta back from the dead after he was forced to shoot himself, then would it be possible for her to repeat the process again after the ending of Bio 2?
You know, I'm not 100% sure on that one. I think the only reason she could've helped bring him back in Rapture was due to the Vita Chambers, whereas on the surface, I don't think she could've done much.
Delta is dying of "natural causes", with his body falling into a coma from the breaking of the bond, and the vita-chambers don't work for deaths from natural causes.
Maybe do a video on the different intel agencies that found out about rapture
I can look into it.
There are some fan fictions that make it that Delta and Eleanor are biologically Father and Daughter. It may not be official or canon but it is a great read for fans of Delta
I'm glad the fans didn't turn it into something inappropriate like the Bioshock Infinite incident
@@TheBioshockHub wait wot
@@wovensystem1782 Someone made a um..."parody" of Infinite that's NSFW.
@@TheBioshockHub oh OOF
@@wovensystem1782 Yeah it umm...something.
I actually have a theory regarding the Conditioning Process using the missing game file of Johnny Topside being the biological father to Eleanor and Bioshock Infinite Burial at Sea DLC for my source.
Adam is a generic substance that manipulates the DNA of the host, therefore it was possible (according to Dr Suchong) to use it in other ways besides superpowers. My theory is that the Memory Ghosts of previous users bleeding into Subject Delta (and Jack) induced psychological stimuli that gave them insight. I believe the Persephone facility utilized this phenomenon of Memory Ghosts to manipulate events and mental states using Adam to rewrite stories hand tailored to the host. In this case, Delta was given a memory rewrite strand of Adam that convinced him and Eleanor that they were father/daughter. Bioshock Infinite's Elizabeth stated the Gorilla experiment found in Columbia was based on the Parental Conditioning even if the parent was a "SURROGATE". So even if Eleanor was Delta's real daughter, the condition of the treatment wouldn't matter if it was one or the other which explains why the Developers drop that game file. But interesting enough that the way Persephone can memory manipulated Adam would be in fact a way to mentally Condition Big Daddies is profound. My other running theory is that the Memory Rewrite strand of Adam given to Delta is in fact the memories of Lamb who birthed Eleanor tailored by the biological bond they shared (this is using the game file bit of lore) which would explain WHY Subject Delta and Eleanor were the ONLY successfully bonded pair of BD/LS couple. All other bonding experiences in making a single bonded pair of BD/LS subjects ended in failure. So I believe the bonding process REQUIRED that the Big Daddies had to be the Biological Fathers of the Little Sisters in order for this ALPHA series Big Daddy program to work. So now I believe that because this process is too ambitious and kidnapping both a parent and a daughter to make into machines and Frankenstein's Monsters to harvest Adam would have made the citizens of Rapture too damn suspicious of the activities of Ryan Industries and ultimately ended the ALPHA series for the more cost effective Production Line Big Daddies who merely require hormonal smells to track and bond to ANY Little Sisters versus a singular one. Personally, I prefer the ALPHA series because it's more tragic than PLBD, the PLBD seem more like manmade Pedophiles high on little girl "pheromones" and suicidally protective of their Loli's.
That's interesting.
This theory works really well with the fact that Sinclair as a big daddy has a little sister who you find out is his daughter and he is an alpha series.
Like delta best character it a clean Slate you can be what you want to be
Subject Delta
Random question,, but did Minerva's Den take place while the plot of Bioshock 2 was going on? I remember in some recordings Wahl mentioned Delta and the goings on..
If I remember correctly, it takes place at roughly the same time as the events of the main game, just different parts of Rapture. If I'm wrong, I do apologize.
@@TheBioshockHub thanks for the reply! I do recall in game it said Minerva's Den was cutoff from the rest of Rapture but it wasn't clear to me
Was Sinclairs suit grafted onto him?
I think a good character to do a video on is that one guy who dies immediatly in the first game. His name was Johnny right?
Yes, but there's not much information about him
I still think it would be kinda interesting
@@joleneharrison7149 It would be like a 3-4 minute video :/
Yeah good point
@@TheBioshockHub this is really late but with youtube shorts you can make a minute long video about him because he really doesn't have substance but it works if your on a path to document the history of all bioshock characters.
Video begins at 2:03
Actually if anything infinite is the "step child " of the series as it takes place in another universe and therefore is no more canon than the marvel what if series though the timeline still makes delta not be on the same plane as jack
You should make a big sister video.
So I finished the whole series is there any game that like BioShock that you would recommend
Dishonored, Prey, System Shock. :D
@@TheBioshockHub thank you
Thanks for the video mate. So who really was the first big daddy then? The obvious answer is Deta, but In the infinite storyline Elizabeth helps pair a Big daddy, as Suchong hasn’t been able to yet. So would it make that big daddy the first one to have been bonded? Cheers!
In terms of an identity for the "first" Big Daddy, I'm not 100% sure. I do know that the Alpha Series model was the first successful one to bond with a Little Sister. So sorry for the late response.
Mate no need to be sorry! Appreciate the reply. I did some digging, the first big daddy’s we’re indeed the alpha series. And Delta as the first one to be bonded to a little sister via “Care bonding” but this meant that if the big daddy strayed too far from the little sister or if she died they would slip into a coma (like at the end of bioshock 2). The infinite scene with Elizabeth was the first of the successful bonds where the big daddy wouldn’t go into a coma. Something about Adam transfer and the little sisters not being scared of the daddies. Pretty sweet 🤘
The Jonny Topside being in the same plane as Jack doesn’t make any sense, Jack came in at the end of the Ryan Atlas/Fontaine War in 1960, Jonny Topside was captured around the time in which big daddy’s as a concept didn’t really exist, and he died in 1958
Wouldn't that mean Sofia lamb is your wife.
It'd make her more like a recipient oh a certain "donation" from Delta.
I really don't think Eleanore being Delta's Biological Daughter would have had any more of an impact than the narrative already had. Maybe it's because I'm Gay, but I never understood why being blood related made things hit harder for anybody. :/
Especially in this kind of story, because they went through so much together anyway.
I always took this to be an instance where Blood of The covenant is thicker than water of the womb but ig I'm always a sucker for a found family.
Great Video BTW!! Listening to your videos keeps my long nights on graveyard shift all the less lonely. :)
Wait wait if big daddies helms are grafted to there body are bouncers heads massive
:O
@@TheBioshockHub that was me when i thought of this
I was wondering if delta or johnny topside was James, grace's boyfriend who disappeared
I don't think so honestly.
@@TheBioshockHub he was probably a random guy who ryan arrested then?
@@mariec6601 yeah
Wait but they never revealed who made the new bioshock 2 little sisters
Sofia Lamb did.
Hey, tbh, what is your favorite big daddy type ?
Lancers
TheBioshockHub ok
They should do a remaster make her the biological daughter since yk (bio)shock) and make it so he lives use the most recent unreal engine make it on all platforms sell it for $60 and get rich by restarting the series. And ik infinite is a thing but when i saw the sky yeah it was cool but it wasn’t rapture. I do love the story the way it is but the money is there!
i hope are delta allive
i hope delta allive
He is.
Inside Eleanor's mind
I disagree when you say that Bio 1 and Bio 2 aren't related. I mean, the second game might not be related to the first, but the second still holds the whole concept, universe and characters of the first game, with a better looking Tenenbaum of course.
Plus there are quite a few references of Bio 2 in BAS.
People should stop underwhelming Bioshock 2, it's a masterpiece just like the other games.
Does nobody remember somethinginthesea.com? The marketing for bioshock 2?
Don't worry, I got something that you'll enjoy very soon.
@@TheBioshockHub we appreciate you bud! Love the content as a bioshock lore fan myself, im excited for what the future holds. Keep your head up bro and thank you! 🙏
@@michaelyates9991 Thank you Michael. And like I said, I've got something coming up very soon that you'll more than likely enjoy!
Very tired watching this.. Brain goes strange. But do you think in a universe of bioshock Elanore and Elizabeth would have met etc..
With Eleanor's intelligence and Elizabeth's powers, maybe they'd be the ones to create the perfect "utopia".
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