10 Times Doctor Who Made Obvious Mistakes
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
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What’s another big mistake you feel like Doctor Who has made?
Hiring Chris Chibnall. That is an easy one.
I'm actually concerned about the Disney involvement. They have the money but will they understand the series, modern and its history. Doctor Who is so quintessentially British I really don't feel they'll do it any favours 😕 I'm finding it difficult to put into words, I suppose it should be character driven by actors who are fantastic but not necessarily well known rather than special effects and throwing money to make something work. I'm Crap at trying to explain myself 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♀️
Bringing David Tennant back. Infinite regenerations and they waste one bringing a previous incarnation back. I hope it plays out better than it sounds.
Infinite regenerations...
With you completely on #2. I've been saying that saddling a brand new Doctor with *three* unfamiliar companions was a misstep. They should have been introduced gradually, as Matt Smith's companions were.
Apparently, I'm the only one in the world who actually loved the look of the brightly colored Daleks. I thought the redesign was cool, and I always wished that we would have seen more of them in the show.
It would have made more sense if introduced or playing into the Dalek civil war, where one side had Davros and the other had these enhanced Daleks that thought they were even more superior. I think it was an old who storyline for either the 5th or 7th Doctor.
Nope not the only one. Then again, I found myself disagreeing with almost all the supposed "mistakes" of modern Who (except the too many companions for the most recent Doctor - that just became a confusing mess). And they do love to hate on the Neil Gaiman episodes with IMO minimal basis.
Trouble is that those props, in addition to looking like ugly children's toys, were virtually unworkable for the operators, being too tall and front-heavy.
They reminded me of the iPhone5.
Loved the look of the new look daleks. I thought they looked really powerful. If one of them had ordered me to lick them, I'd have complied.
I recently rewatched The Woman Who Fell to Earth, and Grace was low-key the MVP of the episode. Having Graham and Grace being 13's companions would have been so good I reckon. Instead of Ryan being a walking plank of nothingness and Yaz who had zero character development over 3 series, I reckon the series would have been so much better with 2 older and overall better companions
It was so bad I gave up after two series.
@@LightingSparks82give flux a watch. best of the 3 series
Dang. You're actually right.
@@LightingSparks82 yep, I didn't quite make it through series 12. I gave up after Praxues. I only binged the end of series 12 and series 13 because I saw that her last episode aired 🙄
I do agree with that about Grace.
In retrospect, series 7 could’ve benefited from swapping Asylum of the Daleks and Nightmare in Silver’s villains. The cybermen having an asylum for all the cybermen who regained their humanity, losing their minds could be peak horror Doctor Who, having Oswin be shackled up and decaying. While the Daleks upgrading themselves with new types of guns, or better eyesight or reaching plungers works infinitely more for them
I think that is an amazing idea!
True. That would’ve made so much more sense to how oswin is there
You're talking about a species that has had civil wars of extermination against the slightest deviation from their base design being the ones most likely to be upgrading themselves. What?
Actually the real error was not having jenna join the show at that point. Oswin could've escaped with the doctor, and he could've probably helped her in trying to regain her humanity physically because he probably knows people who could've created a new body to transfer her mind into.
The words "scraping Adric off the surface of prehistoric Earth" deserve so much more than the single like that I am capable of.
If only that had been his first and only appearance
@@Fairyfink Yes! Welcome to the team!
Adric was a great companion with Baker better than any of the New Who ones.
A combination of Jamie, Zoe and Ace's best traits
In Six's defense, when Five was "dying", he muttered "It feels different this time." I think that's why the newly regenerated Six was being rather manic in attacking Peri, who he saw as a legitimate threat. Being Bipolar myself, I can kind of identify with the way he was acting & feeling, esp the regret immediately after.
I thought the colorful Daleks were the Cult of Skaro.
I think the cult of Skaro are the black dalek and the other 3 present in the daleks take Manhattan. There was the other appearance in Doomsday too. Not sure what these coloured ones are! Guess ima go take a look as i eat my lunch right now haha :)
@@phoebemae8316dalek sec and the other three are the cult of skaro if not the remaining members. the colourful daleks were the paradigm daleks if thats what you mean
Yes the regeneration was not smooth at all that time, from 5 to 6 and from 11 to 12 were the worst regenerations for the Doctor. Colin Baker became violent and Capaldi lost his memories.
@@tvguy61 He did temporarily, to anyone who knew him but didn't understand the regeneration process, that would have been scary
Purely as a note on Graham in the TARDIS, I really liked that there was an older companion. As a parent who watched Who as a child, watching New Who with my kids with someone that I could relate to in the TARDIS, as well as younger companions for the younger viewers was great. I do feel that Ryan wasn't very well written but both Yas and Graham really worked.
So, yes, I take the point about three companions maybe swamping and diluting Jodie's position as the lead, but there were some really nice sides to the "fam" in the TARDIS too.
I also thought that John Bishop did a really good job of taking on the slightly older companion role too. "Sheffield" and "Liverpool" were a great double act with some nice chemistry between them.
I totally agree. I loved this character, and i was really sad to see him go, because i felt he was adding something really interesting, a different point of view, especially when the doctor is young.
That might be part of why Wilf was so awesome with 10.
Graham was my favorite of 13's companions.
Graham was the only companion watchable in the Chibnall run
But three companions are too many in a story that runs for one hour and also has to have an antagonist in which the audience is able to even minimally invest. With an established Doctor maybe you can try a few stories with a wider ensemble but constantly putting your title character into the background is just bad storytelling and that's what far too many Jodie Whittaker stories suffered from.
@@augustus4047 True, it was good to have less companions...
But i think keeping Yas in the end wasn't the best choice. She's the only one who didn't have any character development, and she wasn't bringing anything to the doctor, i felt like she even took the doctor's place too many times. Hopefully Dan joined them and brought something different.
Of course, it's only my opinion, but i would have been more interested in a story with Graham and Ryan next to the doctor. Their chemestry might have been really great.
Pearl Mackie’s Bill deserved so much more. At the very least another season.
No she should have never been a companion , she was stupid and was there filling in the D&I boxes
Gay bill? No
I stand by Evolution of the Daleks. I think Dalek Sec’s design was awesome, I LOVED the tentacles, the way they loved so slightly but sharply always made me feel like it was quite Dalek, and his straining New York voice that almost had to push words out of it’s mouth to speak was just brilliant. I don’t think he was supposed to be menacing, I think he was supposed to be something new, and something we can empathise with, so watching him struggle to speak properly and struggle to use his new tentacle muscles seemed so real and innovative
I also enjoyed the Dalek Sec hybrid and thought it was an interesting new direction and I loved the design.
Even if the 5" figure became a shelf-warmer due to others dislike (I didn't mind, it meant more for me to pick up for customs - thought the idea of Human-Dalek hybrids as a new Imperial Dalek threat would be a fun idea. Heck even a 'Davros clone' custom with a modified Dalek Sec hybrid head was a fun project)
I couldn't have said it any better, totally agree
For a larger TARDIS team, we've seen it work in the modern day plenty of times by introducing characters more slowly, building them up - and yeah, making sure they all have things to do. Jack in bith series 1 and 3 worked here, then you've got all three Ponds whenever River showed up, and series 10 played around with Bill, Nardole, and even Missy as a sort-of companion well - and I will never stop banging the drum for how much I love how The Doctor's Daughter utilised its characters.
13's era just messed up by introducing them all at once, including its Doctor, and not giving them breathing room to develop, nor giving them much to do to stand out from each other.
I'd like to see a larger team again, but built over time, where the different characters can take on different roles, as you described for the original crew. Have people show up from different times and places, but treat them all as equal companions - I'd really like to see us start with a companion, gain another later, then have the original companion leave but the newer one remain.
Agreed. This comment deserves more love.
I didn't like how Jodie Whittakers doctor kept getting upset without doing anything. You can't do that humanity is supposed to be better, and then nothing. David Tennants doctor got upset but when he got upset someone died or got trapped as a scarecrow for eternity. It felt like all of Jodie Whittakers doctors seasons happened around her instead of because of her.
And they retconned Missy, which was the best story arch since River Song. And then destroyed Galifrey off screen.
We absolutely cannot miss out on "Eat my Salad, 'Alloween!" in Tim Shaw's episode
That is one of the greatest Doctor Who moments EVER.
6:05 I actually like the Paradigm Daleks for the most part. They were taller, their eye stalk had a pretty cool design, their voice box was deeper and they were overall more intimidating imo. I just didn't really like all the different colours going on, nor the matte paint on them as it made them look like they were made out of plastic (which they probably were) when they should obviously look like they're made out of metal, i.e Dalekanium.
IMO they weren't awful but the hump-back was weird, the Lego-look design was a mistake and I think that simply messing with such an iconic look was probably misguided.
They also didn't "fit", in as much as they looked like something from a different show, or a different lineage, or maybe even a different paradigm, if you will. ;)
I have no objections to alternative colours (as was done a few times in classic Who), tweaks in appearance (throughout the runs) and specials (like the emperor, or even the special weapons Dalek) but I thought that the paradigm Daleks, that were clearly originally meant to be the new look, just didn't cut it for me. I think, perhaps, they didn't look "industrial" or "military" enough.
The old, short pepper pots are what they are. They shouldn't work, but they do, and have done for a long time.
I think a few, subtle changes, like a more muted metalic finish, and some slight tweaks to the shape, would have made the New Paradigm Daleks work. What convinced me that I liked them was seeing one at The Doctor Who Experience in Cardiff, and I involuntarily found it intimidating! I'd met Daleks before, and never felt anything but delight, but standing next to that inert, empty, bright yellow, but large and imposing Eternal Dalek shell, my lizard brain reacted to it as a potential threat. It looked like something that I would not want to see rolling along my street, any more than I'd want to see a military tank. If they hadn't been designed as merchandise for kids, the beefier Daleks could have really been great.
@@DavidBeddard Funnily enough, it was Cardiff that really cemented for me just how terrifying the Daleks - any Daleks - could be. We went just as Capaldi was starting and one of areas represented a ruined area of Skaro. There were several deactivated (gold/brass) Daleks strewn around but we could all see the tracks in the ground in front of them and we all knew that, sooner or later, they would so something. A kid was volunteered to grab a "time gem" (or something) from near one of the Daleks and we knew, we all knew, exactly what was going to happen. As she approached, the lights started flickering, a faltering ex-ter-min... was heard and the various Daleks started to twitch and move on their tracks. Kids and adults alike fighting over each other to get out. 😁Absolutely brilliant, and terrifying.
The Cardiff experience was excellent and it's a crying shame that it ended.
I still hold that they just missed the mark with the paradigm Daleks though (and there was one "in the flesh" when I was at Cardiff too, so I've seen them close up as well). They're not bad, but they lose a certain je ne sais quoi that the originals had without replacing it with something better as far as I'm concerned.
To me, the diminutive stature of the originals and ballgown-gliding motion, contrasted with their harsh extremist, genocidal rantings is part of what makes them. To bulk them up and give them deeper voices, to me, looked and sounded like an attempt at trying too hard to make something that was too consciously contrived to grab onto some easy handles of what was meant to be scary for a modern audience, but without getting why the originals had worked for so long.
All this opinion, and the Daleks are only my second favourite enemy - I've always been a cyberman kind of person. I agree with the video that the fast Cybermen didn't work either. However, when they recreated the Mondasian Cybermen, and made Bill into one, now that was a terrifying, genuinely horrible (in a good way) recreation and updating of a classic. The old cloth-faced ones became the stuff of nightmares again.
The best way to make the Daleks (and any other enemy) scary, is good writing (which we don't always get, but when we do it can be amazing). And that, I think, is also sometimes lost in discussions. It doesn't matter if the props are a bit shonky, if the set wobbles, etc, etc, if the writing is good. The props are just the framework to hang the experience on, for the actor to hold, for people to run away from or hide from, to be the dohickey needed to reverse the polarity and so on. They need provide little more realism than the painted scenery in a theatre - *if* the package as a whole is well written, well acted and thoroughly engaging. Fortunately, it often is - and these days usually comes with great visuals as well.
@@Enjay001 Yep, I mostly agree with you. I'm also more of a Cyberman person, although I quite liked the Nightmare Cybermen (even though the story wasn't quite up to scratch, unfortunately). I felt they were made too fast for my disbelief to remain suspended, but the idea that they could be much faster than humans felt like a good one to me. Slowly marching Cybermen irritate me. Sure, there's a time and a place for a relentless hoard that doesn't need to run because they're in no hurry and they'll get you eventually, but the idea that, at any moment, an augmented, cybernetic being could outmatch you at anything means you really need a good strategy to escape.
Now, where they lost me was Chibnall ripped off the Kaylon from The Orville and had the flying cyber-head laser drones. Cybermats weren't cyber-hands, cyberdrones don't need to be hovering cyber-heads.
@@DavidBeddard "I felt they were made too fast for my disbelief to remain suspended, but the idea that they could be much faster than humans felt like a good one to me."
Yep, agreed. I'd have been fine with their technology making them faster (something of a staple of cybernetics in sci-fi anyway) but these were moving almost like DC Comics The Flash. Too much.
A point of interest is that the cybermen have evolved throughout the history of Who; each incarnation usually being a bit more advanced than the previous one in some way. So if you make them too strong/fast/powerful/whatever, you have to bear in mind what you are going to do with them next time around to either build on that or find a reason for the edge/advantage to have gone again.
Peter Capaldi was really done dirty by the BBC, just like Colin Baker was. It felt like they were reluctantly publicizing it during his first year, then the publicity was cut down to almost nothing for the net two years. In one interview during his final year he said he didn't think they were interested in a "dark" Doctor. He says he chose to leave of his own volition, but I wonder if behind-the-scenes shenanigans left him feeling like he had no other choice. This man waited 50 years to land his dream role, and now I don't even hear him talk about Who very much anymore.
He injured his knee in the show - like Matt Smith had when they first met to compare ideas about the role. The hero-stand: running away - turning around and pointig your screwdriver (the body still moves on and the knee snaps)... There was a gap-year between the two Shoal of Harmony specials... well Clara had gone and the Doctor took billions of years to get over that one (or not - there is a quantum locked Clara with time-travelling abilities, who could impersonate all the "dead" splinter-Claras, because she lacks an ageing body or heartbeat).
@@LisaBeta-42
"Regency-era london's always been diverse"
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The nightmare in silver cybermen felt a bit like the borg from star trek given that they could adapt to any attack.
Or the Cylons from Battlestar, they could resurrect with their consciousness intact.
TBF, the Borg are a bit of a crib from the Cybermen.
Is stealing back still stealing?
If I may:
10. I actually liked it airing on a Saturday (too bad my family agreed with you).
9. I have had no problem with the Daleks' voices and thought the ones in Day of the Daleks weren't terrible.
8. I did not know Chibnall had remorse about how his episodes turned out. Also, he wrote the the 11th Doctor stories The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship and The Power of Three and several Torchwood episodes and he didn't do a too bad job if I'm honest.
7. Really? The Trial of a Time Lord? I rather liked that and thought Flux had nothing on that.
6. Again, I have had no problem with the New Paradigm Daleks much.
5. Again, I quite liked Underworld.
4. I didn't know Davies was behind that, and Sec's new appearance wasn't supposed to be scary; it was supposed to be some new Dalek we'd never seen before.
3. I actually rather liked Colin Baker. Plus, if you recall, it wasn't just the Matrix being penetrated; the 6th Doctor explicitly told Peri that he was pretending to side with Sil.
2. The 1st, 2nd and 5th Doctors all had three companions at some point; the problem was no character development between 13's "fam". The 10th and 11th Doctors also had two companions at a time, but that was after we had been able to get to know Rose and Mickey before they were both with the Doctor and Amy before Rory officially came aboard.
1. I actually rather like Nightmare in Silver, alongside Peter Capaldi's Cybermen stories.
Better than 13's time, Aired on a Monday in Australia, really not good for views, 12 was on a Sunday for me, and I enjoyed it.
Also, Classic Who worked with 3 Companions because 1 episode in Classic was longer than 1 Modern Who Episode, that's why the Fam didn't grow. And Yes how 10's and 11's Companions took time before traveling with them.
Chibby SHOULD feel remorse about how horrible his run was. And learns to never touch another show again.
Edit: Two companions is the max any Doctor can have, imo. Because that second one can be a close friend to the first one.
I was surprised to hear that Underworld is supposed to be Baker 1's worst. It's not a bad story. I can overlook the CSO sets just by thinking that the rock of the newly forming planet has some weird energy that puts a line around everyone. Eh, it's as good an explanation as any, and better than quite a few the series has come up with for budget induced oddities over the years. I had the novel back in the day and read it about a dozen times.
I always thought Creature From the Pit was supposed to be the worst of TB's time.
I don't care what anyone says, I will always like the Mighty Morphin' Dalek Rangers.
I really like the paradigm Daleks exactly because of how colorful they were.Just because something is evil doesnt mean that it needs to be dark and colorles.
I actually miss the Paradigm Daleks
@@pikachucetthesecond4296 Same same
I read that Gaiman so hated the edits and changes to his script that it is why he hasn’t written for Doctor Who again. Apparently his script was very different from what was filmed.
Great video as ever.... I'd love to see a "Ten Times Actors From Dr Who Appeared Together In Other Films & TV Shows" - ones which spring to mind include Hurt & Jaccobi in "I Claudius"... Smith & Piper in "Secret Diary of a Call Girl" and McGann & Grant in "Withnail & I".
Smith & Piper where in the sally Lockhart films too.
There also was Lalla Ward (Romana II), Derek Jacobi (the Yana master), and Geoffrey Beavers (one of the burned masters) together in one version of Hamlet back in 1980.
@@neptune04 Ooh - that's good... I can start imaging how a Top Ten might look already!
There’s a film from 1953 called will any gentleman which has both Willian hartnell and Jon pertwee on screen at the same time
And Hotel! (I think that's the title) has McGann, Capaldi, and another dr
I disagree with Trial of a Timelord being a complete mistake. JNT couldn't have known all the craziness that would come after he started the first serial. And it was a brilliant idea, told over a whole season. I equate it with The Key to Time. I think Trial had a better ending, but Key had a better run over all.
I thought Trial of the Time Lord was terrible, the Valeyard Master Plan is to kill some Time Lords on some justice committee?
It is kind of funny to think that Roy Skelton may not have been available to voice the daleks because he was busy voicing Zippy in Rainbow.
#11 Not casting Elle as the 14th or 15th Doctor with Séan as a companion. Well there's always #16....
Yes!
16th indeed!
Cringe
I loved the Cybermen stories written for Capaldi's era.
Bill's fate was horrifying (before the water nonsense) but it was brilliantly written the way the episodes built up the threat of the cybermen.
And while Dark Water's Danny plotline was a bit stupid, I considered the rest of it to be fantastic.
Hear me out…I love the Paradigm Daleks
The only issue I have with them is the paint. Maybe they could have used a more metallic colour and then it might have made them seem more like the older Darlek that they were replacing but still seeming like an upgrade. When I saw them for the first time I liked the bold change and was disappointed not to see them used to their full potential
I agree and like Luke said, if they had been metallic colours, they would have looked fantastic
I love the Paradigm Daleks and Nightmare Cybermen and am not ashamed of it.
Same
I don't think the 3 companions was a bad thing, but i think they needed more write time and a slower introduction to each character
Graham was the most unique and refreshing Companion in a while and they should have never dropped him. Instead they turned Yaz into another hit with a crush
Bradley Walsh was the standout actor, which came as a surprise to me as I'd only seen him as a presenter until then. He brought real humanity to the role despite dealing with some of the weakest scripts of the new era. John Bishop as Dan also seemed a talent somewhat wasted. Maybe they will run into a future Doctor, perhaps Ncuti's incarnation...?
@@KeironCharles I saw Walsh in L&O Order U.K which also had Freeman Agenya(Martha Jones) in it. Dan was part of the Woke agenda lets make white men weak.
The last strong male adult companion (I don't consider Captain Jack a companion) was Harry Sullivan.
Yeah having 3 companions for Jodie was absolutely bizarre? It might have worked if you have them join a bit later like when Rory did after we already knew Amy, but we never really got to know them at all?
Like introducing Dan would've been a good idea for Flux except WE STILL DIDN'T KNOW YAZ
All three where often interchangeable.
Really i'd of had yaz join them later dureing the spider one, that's a good story for her to do some investigating in.
The 3 companions were such an obvious error that I regularly rant about in comment sections (maybe this video will give me a chance to hang up my keyboard...)
Sci-Fi (and Dr Who in particular) require a huge amount of exposition, introducing/explaining the setting, issues and characters. In 'classic who' you often didn't see the monster until the end of episode 1 of a story so you had time for background stories. Oh and minor correction to this video the new episodes are mostly 45-50 (minus credits). There truly wasn't time in any script for 4 main characters, the 'locals' (story specific good guys / victims) and the villains / monsters.
Oh and I'd replace number 1 on this list with the preaching episodes of Jodie's era. I thought Rosa was a fantastic episode, but week after week the stories were trying to either teach the audience about historical characters or environmental / moral issues (Kerblam, Orphan 55, Praxeus). I thought the program was meant to be entertainment.
"Which is why they're still scraping Adric off the surface of pre-historic earth..." - That joke died with the Dinosaurs! (...As did Adric.)
Too soon 😂😂😂
@@NeilCWCampbell It's been 66 million years! Get over it.
@@the_once-and-future_king. or yesterday, that's the thing about time travel;)
@@NeilCWCampbell Well I suppose if you look at it from a non-linear progression from cause to effect...
i dont get it, can someone explain
I find it funny that you point to Yaz as the natural fit for the companion, when she was pretty much unused in the first season. Graham was the standout the first season, I don't think Yasmin actually did anything other than mention that she was trained as a police officer while actually doing nothing. (outside of maybe the Demons on Punjab---most other episodes in the first season she was the least important/useful character. )
And I think it's an oversimplification to say it's not really feasible to have 3 companions and a doctor and get them to shine, we have several amy/rory/river stories that worked, and even an amy/rory/rory's dad episode, and of course with 9 and 10 you effectively had stories with rose/mickey/donna. or rose/mickey/Sara Jane. Or Donna/Martha/Jenny. (yes I get that a few of the examples include a third wheel that wasn't a traditional companion, but I'm pointing out that it's not impossible to tell a good story with a Doctor and 3 others while finding time for all of them to shine)
The issue is that they tried too hard to make them "normal" people. Rose, Donna, Amy and Clara were normal people with strong voices, Martha was an exceptional person being a young doctor in training, Rory and Mickey were the loyal labradors who would do anything for their loved ones, etc... with the Chibnall companions you had nobody with a strong voice, or any exceptional qualities, they went out of their way to point that out, time and time again. So on the rare occasion they actually did something it was uncharacteristic of them.
Underworld was filmed against a blue screen, not a green one. The latter colour was rarely used before digital cameras.
That is acknowledged by many, but “green screen” is usually the default name for such effects, no matter the background color being used.
@@brainlock72 And for many others it's blue screen, and it's careless either way. The right term is chroma key.
@@brainlock72 Or in the BBC it was always CSO colour separation overlay.
@@josgibbons6777 I watched an outtake of Pond on some blue “animal” with a blue background Gunn was filming for Guardians3, earlier.
It all depends on what color the actors are/are wearing and what effects are going in. These days, it’s a LOT easier to adjust the FX than in 1970s.
"Scarping Adric off..." Holy moley
That was kind of a cold blooded comment, Ellie.
@@daveautzen9089 To be fair, she didn't write it. I don't know how much leeway she has to adlib, but I'm guessing it was in the script.
LOL, yeah, that was a good'un!
@@michaeltortorice9876 I didn’t think about that, but still…poor Adric
“Nightmare in Silver” is one of my top faves; albeit I’m more focused on Matt Smith and the Jekyll/Hyde element that emerges when the Cyber-mites attach themselves to The Doctor when I watch it. The Cybermen “upgrade to use almost any living parts” is how that whole drama works despite how good or bad of a call it is in the long run. There’s a little trend for incapacitating the hero every once in a while and for once the Cybermen have their hands on one of their enemies for a little bit; the Daleks did the same with Nine if I’m not mistaken. “Turn Left” might have been Ten’s and Twelve had to manage his own way out of the Death Dial thing.
For me it was announcing John Sims return for Capaldis season finale via the trailer before the series even aired
Juggling time slots is an old US network trick to kill a show by purposly deflating ratings as an excuse to cancel. NBC moved the 3rd season of Star Trek to Friday nights, well known as the "death slot" for a show in the US (high school football, date nights, movie premieres, etc.).
Imagine a full series of 13 and Graham, that would’ve been fantastic. It’s what chibs should have done in the first place.
They could’ve fixed the Whitaker companion issue by just getting rid of Yaz. She seems the odd one out to me.
Imagine if they’d had Ryan & Graham journeying through time and space with the doctor as a form of therapy, dealing with the death of Grace and healing their own relationship. That could’ve been a beautiful story.
The Radio Times would do well to pay attention to another word from River Song herself, "Spoilers..."
I don't recall a single episode of New Who that the Radio Times didn't fuck up by having a "This is what's happening, and this is how we did it!", whether that be a cover and/or just an illustrated article. I guess that maybe they wanted to get the jump on potential spoilers from other magazines, but holy shit, it was annoying. In a time when it's nigh impossible to avoid spoilers, you'd think that the mother company's flagship title would manage not to spoil one of its biggest (at the time) cash cows.
I’m glad you brought up the the three companions. I watch it alone and was wondering if anyone else was as immediately annoyed by that as I was. Also- the use of the term “fam”.
The problem wasn't that 13 was given 3 companions, it was that they are barely used and get very little characterization.
I think the best doctor who groups are 11 Amy, rory and River as well as strax Jenny VASTRA and 11
Not all NuWho fans are UK residents, so airing times aren't an issue- I bought and enjoyed everything up to the end of #12. Fortunately, my library loaned out DVDs, and I got half way through series1 #13, which I couldn't decipher without subtitles. So only wasted my time not ,my money on that rot.
Jodie's tenure was absolute shambles. it felt like a fan-project made by people who'd only seen 2 episodes of the show prior
I know right? The episodes I watched reminded me of 8 legged freaks, quantum leap, lilo and stitch, Predator etc it's like somebody was given some homework and left it to the last minute and cludged something together off somebody elses cool online work while trying not to make it look plagiarised.
Ryan had dypraxia(?)
But he was able to COD no-scope the androids.
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2 whole episodes? Are you sure it was that much?
It horrifies me that such valuable property as Dr Who (not to mention Star Trek & Star Wars on occasion) can be given to people who have no feel for the material.
Extermin…oh my god what is that had me on the floor 😂. I love your videos keep it up :)
When was that?
Doctor Six choking Peri was a brilliant horror story about a companion trapped in the TARDIS with a manic post regen Doctor. Unusual and wonderful! Shocking and great.
The biggest mistake Doctor who made? Chibnall.
Chris Chibnal: It was a first-draft episode.
Me: No shit! Did you hand it in written in crayon?
Also 4:00
I would accept being shot over being frozen in stasis between life and death forever. Didn't the Doctor even say it was obscene to do that to people?
"I'm not going to kill you, I'm the better man. Instead, I'll do something infinitely worse."
I loved the paradigm Daleks. They gave me and my mate endless minutes of fun coming up with nicknames for them and thinking of merchandise potential.
Our favourite nicknames for them were
Bump 'n' go Daleks
Fisher-Price My First Daleks
Jelly baby Daleks
Cheap Copyright Dodging Knock Off Durlix
and Who the F Came Up With That? Daleks.
It must have been so comical when they turned up at the studio and the showrunner and production team saw them for the first time, having never had the chance at any stage of design or production to say "Are you mad?" to the designers. And it was so stunning and brave of them to introduce the novelty cruet set in a fashion show catwalk skit.
"Here's Amandalek sporting our Custard Dream ensemble. Note the cheeky addition of go faster fins giving a new twist to the old favourite eyeball on a stick accessory..."
The only thing that could have made them look any sillier was to have their heads spin around everytime they're about to say anything.
The BBC doesn't own The Radio Times and I suspect the editorial team chose to feature the Cherry Fandango Dalek on the cover in order to sell more copies because people would buy it to find out what the heck it was supposed to be.
The biggest mistake was appointing Chris Chibnall as showrunner. He is a bad writer and all his decisions were wrong: Casting Jodie Whittaker was a mistake because she can't play authoritative. Appointing Segun Akinola as composer was a mistake because he isn't any good. Having three companions is not necessarily a mistake, but in the hands of Chibnall it was, because of his lack of writing talent and the inability of Tosin Cole and Mandip Gill to act (Bradley Walsh was OK).
And precisely 0% of that is actually true in the slightest.
The entire Chibb's era was an unmitigated disaster. There was absolutely no redeeming feature to it. Especially the fans who viciously attacked any criticism of it. We are lucky it wasn't the end of Doctor Who.
@@Earthsinger100 Literally every single word of that is utter nonsense and you know it.
(At least, I really hope you know it or you’re even more deluded than one ever thought possible. Then again, it takes an unreal level of delusion to even *think* any of that gibberish *might possibly* be plausible, so…)
@@DrWhoFanJ Is that you Chris?
@@davidagnew6191 Nope, in the same way you’re not the credited writer of _The Brain of Morbius_.
Great list, Ellie! Thanks for the video!
you're absolutly right about the time slot change!
yeah nightmare in silver was rough (although i love the cyber controller) and the moffat cybermen episodes were amazing, but i still love the haunting of villa diodati and the rest of Ashad's story, i genuinely think he is one of the most terrifying villains in the show simply because he's a partially converted cyberman, and is very obviously still partly human, really makes the cybermen seem horrifying by pointing out that they were once us
4:20 - Don't agree with that. I loved Trial of a Time Lord - watched it when it was NEW in 86. Loved it then. Still like it now. Don't see that as a mistake.
The mistake was not using the scripted ending for 14 with the Doctor and the Master trapped, but I also do understand JNT's hesitation at using that given how precarious the show's existence was at that time.
I wouldn't like it if the new TARDIS interfor was completely virtual as I think it's good to have a physical set.
In Gaiman's defense, he cites a lot of script interference in Nightmare.
The New Dalek Paradigm could work, had they been given the chance, and I will stand by that! Especially using the Asylum version's colour scheme!
The Paradigm Daleks are great! They looked even better with the metallic paintover in Asylum of the Daleks.
Great vid as always
Great video as ever! To be honest I pretty much enjoyed all of the russell t davies era and most of the Moffat era too. When chibnall took over I was devastated that they'd stopped doing the christmas specials. I preferred to watch doctor who on Saturdays but his episodes were so disappointing that it didn't really matter what day they were shown. Having ryan as a companion just didn't work for me and jodie whittakers brilliant thirteenth doctor was just wasted with no iconic speeches or dramatic heroic moments. The only other mistake for me was having clara in series 9, I just felt like the character had reached her full potential and needed to move on. 😊😊
Chibs was the show runner he should have prioritised that script
Saturdays was not the issue... it was that since series 6 the series has not been in a consistent slot.... the reason RTD era managed to do well was because it was always starting in spring between the times of 6-8pm....series 8 and 9 still managed decent ratings... series 10 suffered the most due to a whole years break in between... and 13s era did not no better on a Sunday...in fact it worse... plus the way we watch has changed... we don't watch live TV in the same way...so Sunday slot wudnt have made a difference
Im a new fan and the horror and dark stuff really got my attention. Maybe lean into that more? I always thought it was quite silly and i love star trek Enterprise so like, how does this even happen?
Propping up Jodi with 3 companions told me that they didn't have enough faith in a female doctor to work with just one.
Peter had 3 right away. Mr Hartnell had 3.
@@williammitchell4417 well said! As such Matt Smith had Rory and Amy but River hanging around made a third companion for some good stories. So that's two and a half male doctors with three Companions who by the OPs standards required them to prop up their doctor 🙄😕😔 Eighth Doctor in his audios has three a lot of the time recently with Liv, Helen and Tania.... The Doctor has Companions or none, they're still great Doctors ❤
@@weatherwitchandfelinefamiliars the quirky part about Jodie's first season was that the young man needed someone else to get him OUT of trouble.
I always called those daleks the “mighty morphin’ dalek rangers” 😂
"Which is why they're still scraping Adric off of prehistoric Earth". DUDE. IT WAS SIXTY FIVE MILLION YEARS AGO AND IT FEELS LIKE IT'S TOO SOON, DAMN
Can we get an audio clip of the dalek voices... oh wait please no nevermind forget I asked lol
9:19 BOMBASTIC SIDE EYE 🗣🗣🗣
7:22 I think a mistake is very belittlingly explaining what greenscreen is over and over, as though most fans won't have a clue. Additionally, it was more likely shot on bluescreen given the analog tape format of the time.
So many mistakes was made with the Twin Dilemma. First it shouldn’t have aired immediately after Peters regeneration. It also suffered from hasty rewrites and they shouldn’t have played off of Colin’s ability to play the bad guy. I felt bad for him because people blamed HIM for it when it wasn’t. He’s still my favourite doctor from Classic though.
Not having more episodes / mini sides with Paul McGann. I know big finish have made audios, but he is just so perfect in the live action minisode where he regenerates into the War Doctor.
13:16 What's that "Tennant!Doctor licking something" scene from?
Oh my god I was out drinking cider during Capadi’s era! But also at work.
I love Dalek Sec. I want to know what happened to Tallulah & Laszlo. I feel that Paul McGann was robbed of his time as a Doctor on screen. I loved him in the movie & in the few episodes I have seen him in.
"Killing off" Petronella Osgood so soon and not letting her become a companion would have liked her to be Jodie's companion
Crippling Jodie Whittaker a good Dr with bad writing and three companions
I wouldn't say "three companions" is a mistake. (Of course, when I first watched Doctor Who, in the 60s, there were three; or was it Doctor and a half and two?) I think fewer is better, with occasional brief exceptions. And I wouldn't fault any of the actors during three companion times. But I think stories and scripts and have been the biggest contributor when hasn't worked. (Looking at you "Dimensions in Time".)(How'd that not make the list?)
As always thank you so very much for the videos.
Three compaions needs them to all have there own role and view, not all three shareing a post code.
Jon had many costars, as did Mr Hartnell.
Most cases of multiple companions had one joining at a time, so each had a time to develop as the new character. I completely agree that having three at once was too much. It feels like they just didn't trust their new Doctor to carry the show on her own, which became a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Thank you all for comments: And I agree: "Have their own role and view", and "one joining at a time."
@@pfcrow In a way, I would agree with the idea of too many chefs spoiling the pot. Jodie's character a lot like Peter's time as the Doctor needed something to get the show going. Especially during their first years.
Nightmare in Silver 100% wanted to be the Borg
I love the paradigm daleks as I grew up with them and they have a special place in my heart
I liked the paradigm Daleks, the colours were a bit pointless and as for “an officer class” among daleks (or any other hive-mind villains) that seems a bit oxymoronic. However, of course over time the daleks would continue developing their travel armour, and incorporating newer technology within it (picture a medieval knight at the Somme) so the change in shape should have simply increased the level of menace. They can fly, now what else can they do?
I say the Doctor is still stuck in the Pandorica. Nobody saved him. His future self had to come back and get him out, but he has to get out to have an available future self to send back.
I’m that older teen that watched Matt smith and David Was out being teen when Peter was that doctor the airing for me totally was it problem
I wouldn’t want to get rid of Graham entirely, especially after that last episode, because I now ship Graham and Ace! They’d make a great couple.
Sorry this is the second video of this channel I swear states that old doctor who stories were longer... They aren't not even the slightest.
Ya see each story has always been written to be 45 minutes long but the original timeslot given was 15 minutes a week. So with most stories having 3 or more parts it's fairly obvious that when Doctor who returned with 45 minutes all they did was merge the parts to be cleaner. It only seems longer as you go through 3 episodes for the average story.
The most obvious ten recent mistake made by Doctor Who include: 1. Chris Chibnall, 2. Chris Chibnall, 3. Chris Chibnall, 4. Chris Chibnall, 5. Chris Chibnall, 6. Chris Chibnall, 7. Chris Chibnall, 8. Chris Chibnall, 9. Chris Chibnall. You can probably guess the tenth.
I don’t necessarily agree that Peter Capaldi’s episodes would have fared better on a Sunday evening. Doctor Who has traditionally fared well on a Saturday evening and, after an Italian period of excitement, Jodie Whittaker’s Sunday evening figures nosedived as time went on. However, I do agree that the ever-changing time slots was a big problem.
I like three companions. You skipped over the absolute best Doctor Who season ever with The Forth Doctor, Harry, and Sara. Good writing. The problem with the Fifth Doctor was that the companions always wanted to go home or get off.
I believe Colin Baker’s throttling Peri was because of whose face it was before.
Of course, there’s another Fourth Doctor episode with an impressive spaceship set but otherwise mostly green-screened that’s among one of the classic series’ best - Warrior’s Gate.
(Fight me.)
The multi-colored Daleks were in the Cushing movie... 'nuff said...
I've got to say it making the Doctor the timeless child was a mistake
whoCulture couldnt get the fact the doctor does not possess infinite regens wrong
The Dalek Sec one wasn't RTD's fault. He was actually really angry and upset when he saw the cover spoil the story
Ellie With Who Culture - did you just say that the Thirteenth Doctor's Companions, "were all excellent"?
Oh well... as you say, "We all make mistakes".
Green screen? If "Doctor Who" goes RUclips? ;-P
Enjoyable video but 7:40 given the use of chroma key in that time period, its likely that Tom and Louise would be standing in front of a blue screen rather than a green one.
I liked the new daleks and didn't get why they got rid of them even if they just kept the new colors and eye, i would have been happy
On the "officer Daleks," my reply to seeing their reveal was, and remains, to break into song: "Go-Go Dalek Rangers!"
Or with them being different colors, NASCAR Daleks 😂
the timeless child is a huge mistake, i don’t really mind it, but the child should’ve been the master, not the doctor as it makes more sense since he was taken in early and he could’ve been lying to the doctor to forget his trauma of being used
hopefully rtd fixes the canon issues of this :/
I liked the Timeless Children storyline, but then Chibnall went nowhere with it. Dropping the memory watch into the TARDIS for a later writer to pick up (or fix) is a cheap pay off.
@@ColinDalaska fr tho, i’m upset that he didn’t continue the plot afterwards
but i’m praying rtd can save drwho atp💀
Infinite regenerations? For a channel based on Doctor who they don’t know time lord lore
I actually really enjoyed the Nightmare In Silver Cybermen