Someone in the comments of the original video pointed out that when Death Egg is powering up and a bunch of minions flee, they're all Eggman's minions because they know he's more than willing to sacrifice them to win. While all of Bowser's forces remain.
alternatively, they were just commanded by Sage to fall back. Remember, most of Eggman's forces are meant to be commanded by him (or Sage). It's likley he just didn't want to get his own troops in the blast radius out of pragmatism.
In a comment in another reaction someone pointed out that Bowser was also protecting his army from Infinites gravity attack. After Infinite attacks several are killed but then it cuts to Bowsers had surrounded by a glow of what is likely magic, then cuts to his army covered in the same glow. He protected his minions twice in this battle when he could probably dealt with Infinite directly at the cost of his forces… but he chose to protect them instead. Bowser may be a villain but hes not a bad guy.
@@KaoretheHalfDemon Oh Bowser’s still a bad guy let’s not get it twisted, he’s just a bad guy who uses common sense and heart when it comes to leading his men.
You can see Jr stepping in front of Bowser to protect him multiple times, a habit he most likely picked up from his old man directly “A true king stands in front of what he wants to protect” after all
I mean, he literally jumps in front of the path of the orbital laser, shielding his troops from it. Then he remains standing until it dissipates, further ensuring those behind him aren't hit by it. It makes the moment he comes back, the scattered remains of his troops still behind him, just such a _raw_ image.
I like how casually they said Bowser used his dark magic to reanimate his own corpse. Let me repeat that: he reanimated HIS OWN corpse. Dude died and somehow still used his magic to literally raise HIMSELF from the dead.
It gets crazier throughout Sonic games you never see Eggman “die” But throughout Mario games, bowser dies at least a couple dozen times across the series, Bowser Jr and the Koopalings be damned, he reanimates his own corpse and can reattach his own skin, Bowser is effectively immortal. Actually more to support this: bowser can without any help at all, survive the vacuum of space(in Odyssey he survives on the moon without any pressurization at all), so can Mario, which is a whole other thing we need to talk about, but that kind of pressure is insane, the sheer durability of Bowser is on a level that makes even toonforce seem fair.
Quick correction, Josh, Sage actually DID think The End, in particular, was unbeatable, that's why she put Eggman in Cyber Space to protect him. It was only after seeing Sonic at work that she got the idea that a winning outcome was possible (she notes, I recall, that their forces alone were insufficient but Sonic opened up new possibilities that could lead to victory, which helps convince Eggman to form an alliance with Sonic. It was only due to joining forces with Sonic and friends that they were able to take it down).
Exactly! And, if I may add- Sage didn't have a plan to beat The End because none of her prior plans included the possibility of Sonic and Eggman working together, likely out of knowledge of Eggman's pattern of action. The difference between this statement and Josh's is massive- "We couldn't have done it without working together with Sonic" is markedly different statement from "from everything I believe is even vaguely possible, there is no way to do it". She didn't account for it because she saw a _0%_ possibility of Sonic and her father working together.
29:00 I’m glad you addressed that. But thinking on it another way, that also implies that Eggman couldn’t beat the Titans without Sonic’s help. They required his powers and Chaos energy to pull it off, meaning any feats related to that wouldn’t apply to this fight.
I like that this fight was also between Bowser's and Eggman's armies and not just them individually. Both of these iconic villains minions are just as critical to their identity as their personalities.
Honestly I still feel that battle was off just for the NLF for Ganon on being killed by Holy weapons. Honestly I have to wonder if the result would change based on their current research
And now Eggman is the one in need of redemption, since he ultimately lost both his Death Battles. Both he and Wily were taken down by a berserk Metal Sonic, who was himself defeated by Zero. If memory serves, Zero was one of Wily's creations.
@@dragonmaster48141 I think it was hypocritical to let Ganondorf summon Gohma (the enervation curse used on the Deku Tree was tied to Gohma, noted to be a parasitic organism, meaning it's likely a summoning spell) but not let Bowser have any equivalent abilities.
the way death battle summarizes the relationship between bowser and his army vs Eggman's relationship with his reminds me of this line from Bionicle 3 Web of Shadows, which Vakama tells to Roodaka "I lead only those who choose to follow. That's the difference between being a leader, and a tyrant like you."
Bowser’s both a leader AND a tyrant. Also, Eggman’s forces are comprised entirely of his OWN robots/creations or people who did willingly join his empire, Eggman’s just simply terrible at leading them.
@@Rediscool9 well with Eggman anyone who willingly worked with him like Infinite and Mimic only did so for their own reasons (revenge for the former and to save his own skin for the latter) the only one who did so out of genuine loyalty was Dr. Starline and we all know how that ended
According to...I think it's the animator, Infinite is still alive under that Thwomp. He's just questioning his life choices because he was taken out so easily. Mind you, this is third hand information, as in I got it from another comment.
To clarify, she didn't believe the Titans were beatable and saw a slim chance of winning when considering Sonic into the equation. Which means she's only able to make calculations based on what she knows. She didn't know Sonic as much until multiple confrontations during the story, where she was proven wrong time and time again. Thus made her consider having Sonic help Eggman for that slim chance.
"Actually, that's not true... She said they had no chance if they didn't work with Sonic." Ehh... technically right, but not exactly. She analyzed millions of scenarios, saw that neither side could win alone, but didn't think about the idea of working together with Sonic until the eleventh hour. Granted part of that was in accordance to Eggman's biases, but even then the chance calculated was more slim than it apparently should've been.
Love how Bowser puts himself in front of the Death Egg Laser to protect his troops. Thats the mark of a true King. Also...DAMN Dry Bowserlooks so awsome here!
i noticed how death battle was, especially bowser vs ganondorf where they even got facts incorrect, and the experts actually agreed that bowser should have won. here, they actually do real research into both sides
@@jamesriemer6160 I'm not sure either is really capable of hurting the other on their own. Tech wise, Sage uses most Eggman tech, on its own BJ can't win.
@@MicaiahBaron Plus, I think Junior in particular is better off with another matchup right? Most popular one I've seen for him (from memory) against Tron Bonne, but I'm sure there's other matchups for him that'd be better. Maybe, idk
29:27, Not the biggest error they made. That would be them thinking that Tracer doged a point blank shot from Widowmaker when the latter actually shot through the former to hit her actual target. They did call it accurately with Widowmaker vs. Black Widow, though.
No, they werent wrong about Sage. Throughout the game she calculates multiple times sonics chances against the titans and sonic proves her wrong. Thats what theyre referring to
They’re not even making an error here. Sage indeed believed multiple times that Sonic stood no chance against the Titans on his own and yet he proved her wrong multiple times showing that her calculations and predictions are not infallible in the slightest and can 100% be wrong. What Josh was mistaking was the part where she was dealing with The End where she decided that Eggman teaming up with Sonic would help and be the only way for them to defeat The End, but by this point, Sage now knew Sonic very well as a person and as a fighter. Sage should know absolutely nothing about Bowser and his army by comparison similar to how she knew nothing about Sonic at the beginning of Frontiers and therefore wrongly predicted his fate and the outcome between him and the Titans. Therefore, her calculations and predictions wouldn’t be very helpful in this fight.
10:16 Infinite increased gravity. King Boo, being intangible and thus unaffected, thought on his feet and used it against them. Meanwhile, Bowser didn’t do anything because he was busy, using magic to sustain his troops and prevent them from being crushed.
Yeah I had to watch the fight over originally to notice bowser literally had to stop his own troops from getting crushed. Infinite annihilated a chunk of bowsers army instantly with that attack, so I know some people probably got bothered by him dying that way but it’s not like he didn’t do anything. If bowser didn’t shield his own people infinite could have wiped out most of the koopa troop in seconds.
This was up there as the best Death Battle. Lots of love and passion throughout the episode and the fight and animations were fire. Great episode, and again my favorite fight of the year.
only found this out recently but when bowser punches eggman at the end there is a frame where they turn into pixelated sprites bro hit em so hard they went to the nes dimension for second lol
When you think about, there must've been a reason why Kamek has been Bowser's right hand for so long besides raising the koopa king right? This battle proves it lol
He is the leader of the Magikoopas for a damn good reason and it's not just because he's Bowser's foster father. He is a beast with magic and could probably give some notable wizards like Harry Dresden or John Constantine a run for their money.
Here's something I just discovered about that amazing background song, Game Over. Brandon Yates did help make it, of course he makes another banger. But it was also in collaboration with Tyler Anderson and Victor Borba... aka the guy who sang Virgil's theme in Devil May Cry 5!
YOU TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY'RE SO RESPECTING WITH THE CHARACTERS IN THEIR ANALYSIS. DUDE, IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MADE ME FALL IN LOVE WITH DEATH BATTLE, HOW THEY CAN MAKE ANY CHARACTER, EVEN SOME STUPID ONES, SEEM LIKE THE MOST BADASS COOLEST CHARACTER IT MAKES ME SO HYPED, I LOVE THEIR ANALYSIS SO MUCH IT'S JUST MUAH
29:02 Sorta... While Sage did come to the conclusion that Eggman needed to work with Sonic, that was after Sonic spent considerable time in Cyber Space. She witnessed Sonic's feats and tenacity firsthand, making the notion of Sonic being a valuable asset a more valid case. Additionally, Sage was initially restricted by Eggman to simulate such scenarios. At one point, she concedes that Sonic's goals went from being impossible to achieve to improbable. She is working within the confides of the data limited to her. Towards the end of the game, and after much humanizing, Sage convinces Eggman that they needed Sonic's help. Not just because it had the highest probability of success, but because it was Sage's 'hope'. So you and Wiz are both sort of right. Sage realized that she needed Sonic's help, but she had to come around to it. Sonic proved that he can pull off something she originally deemed impossible. In terms of Death Battle, fighters have no knowledge of their opponent. What Wiz was alluding to was that Sage can be wrong, even with millions of battle plans. Bowser and the Koppa Troop are just built different. With prep, Sage and Eggman might have even the odds, but the same goes for Bowser, who might opt to steal Eggman's stuff. Death Battle looks at these characters at their maximum potential with what comes naturally to them, not things that are made specifically for that particular battle. So when Wiz says that Sage was wrong, he is trying to explain why the DB Team came to the conclusion that Sage's calculations are not infallible. Sorry if I come off as preachy. I just wanted to show that you remembered correctly, yet at the same time, Wiz's words also have some basis.
I agree, they def nerfed SAGE's planning skills, but I still think Eggy would've been overwelmed more often than not by the sheer variety of Bowser's powers, Kamek's shenanigans, and the Koopa Troop spamming those Mario items. The good Doctor certainly could've won in multiple scenarios, which DB makes it sound like was physically impossible due to "billions of strategies that the EE just couldn't plan for", but no, that's definitely wrong, because SAGE absolutely would've accounted for every variable long before Operation Catfish was even in the mobilization phase. But Eggman just lacks the consistent reliability that Bowser, his forces, and all of their abilities, simply have in spades. SAGE would've known the only way to guarantee a win would've been with Mario or Sonic's help, but fat chance convincing either of them to help conquer Bowser's castle, and probably the Mushroom Kingdom. Any attempt to reach out to either of them just would've stacked Bowser's side with the Plumber and/or the Hedgehog, making Eggman's already-unreliable chances outright impossible. In short: In the event of an Eggman loss, SAGE is right to join the Koopa Troop and plot their downfall from the inside. With the Chaos Emeralds, or even some of Bowser's own trump cards, she could single-handedly rebuild the entire Eggman Empire in secret, revive Eggman, sabotage the Koopa Troop's advantages, betray Bowser fresh after a particularly devastating defeat by the Mario Brothers, then deliver the whole of the universe on a silver plate to the newly-resurrected Dr. Eggman, all in one fell swoop.
I like to point out that Kamek and Jr really were the MVPs buying so much time for Bowser. I counted down the seconds Metal was in his super form, precisely at 50 seconds. The two manage to wear Metal down just by shielding Fury Bowser long enough for Metal to lose super at the right moment to be decimated.
Y'know, I feel not enough love is given to Bowser's final words. To have been memed all these years, just to finally let out his own "So Long!" before punching Eggman - like the castle in the analysis - _out of orbit!_ I read a comment elsewhere that said "This Death Battle reminded people why they love Death Battle". I'm inclinded to agree.
Well yeah, one was a film from three whole decades ago that teased a sequel that never ended up happening while the other is on their way to getting a whole trilogy. 😂
I do disagree with some aspects of the conclusion. I think it was a bad move to use lesser feats and scaling for both Bowser and Eggman's mechs to just say Bowser easily has the stat edge when their own research presented says they would actually be close to even. They already get a lot of crap from Sonic fans for lowballing the verse so no idea why they went this route when equal stats is more interesting and doesn't change the outcome. Also, as you pointed out, Sage was not incorrect in her plans for the Titans she knew all along Sonic was the missing key. Very weird point that is easily proven wrong. Other than that, I think the outcome is fair for their interpretation of lore and feats. Not that it matters much, the fight and pre-analysis was peak and I like both characters, so I'm pretty happy all thing's considered.
Well, not really. She didn't know all along. In fact, when she first met sonic, she actively believed Giganto would end him. That was clearly wrong. She also thought The End was completely unbeatable, it wasn't until having plenty of interactions with Sonic and him proving her previous calculations incorrect again and again that she saw a possible winning outcome. So no, she didn't know all along. In fact, it wasn't until near the end of the game that she truly believed they had a chance.
I honestly think they downplayed Eggman a bit, underestimating some of his heavier hitters. Not that I necessarily disagree with the verdict, it’s THAT CLOSE of a matchup, I just don’t think their reasoning is all that airtight. In an army battle, strategy and intelligence is far greater of a factor than they seemed to make it.
But they explained that that Eggman ha to be commanding everything at once. Sage is his only real Lieutenant, with Metal and Infinite not hown to be able to commnd his troops. Having to direct your entire army to a ever-adapting battlefield, and figus on Bowser is a herculean task. Bowser only had to focus on the Doctor, as his army has more commanders, and has the thought process to engage in small unit tactics without Bowser needing to micromanage.
But all of that is focused on a select few individuals (Eggman, Sage, and MAYBE Metal Sonic). This means far less delegation (espeically since Sage still ultimately takes orders from Eggman as well) and far less initiative on the Eggman Empire's part. As a result, the army, while having good tactics, can be delayed by constnatly needing to micromanage everything on the battlefield. And even if you're highly intelligent, that doesn't always apply to wisdom (Eggman's made plenty of foolhardy mistakes and Sage is still young for an AI). Remember, the first casualty of war is the battle plan. EDIT: Something to also keep in mind is that power ups were brought into play and it VERY MUCH complicates matters for planning. The issue isn't simply 'making a plan' at this point, it's planning for millions upon millions of factors that could come into play at any moment. Even for Sage and Eggman, that's an insane task to consider.
@@Uesr2004DActually, Metal Sonic is a pretty good counter. There’s nothing to suggest he couldn’t copy Kameks own magic via copying abilities that should not be able to have that effect, like Silvers Psychokinesis and Shadow’s Chaos Control. There’s so many ways you can give Eggman the win, the verdict is true but also trying to convince you why they had Bowser won.
@@Linear_Line_423 thing is, bowser had multiple power cancelling abilities from the get go among his troops, which would shut down metal sonic's chances right away
- And it wasn't even Star Child Yoshi who did that to Raphael Raven - that was a NORMAL Yoshi. - Culex 3D was no joke, as his new third dimension gave him the power to "consume all time and space" (which is shockingly similar to what Solaris and Time Eater were going to do), and Bowser can outlast this kind of power even without invincibility items. Okay, he WAS in a team of five (alongside fellow Star Children Mario and Peach), but so was Culex with his 3D Crystals - even one of them is potent enough to fully restore his power! - The Chaos Emeralds' power to "give thoughts power" does sound similar to Bowser's innate magical ability to make what he imagines happen. I wonder if this is what gives the Star Children their power? There's similar things with Peach's immense wish magic, Wario's ability to not feel like dying, and Luigi's dreamy might, after all. (All the more reason I REALLY wanna see Luigi vs Riku now...!) - Oh, Infinite's apparently fine, albeit his ego's even more shattered. Still, he was out of commission 8 seconds after he showed up - that's even sooner than MICHELANGELO (even if Mikey was done super dirty, but that was Season 1)! - "HOW DARE YOU! KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY SOOOOOOOON!!!" Chills. Every. Time. - Started with plywood, ended with plywood. And with all those 1-Up sounds, seems the Koopa Troop's casualties are being overturned as well. - Hope we see more Alternate Scenarios in the future (like, I dunno, Ash being revived by Pokemon tears, or using other Pokemon besides the chosen six). - You've no idea how hard I laughed at the Next Time. (Though that is in part because it started with a scene that we Fire Emblem Awakening players might recognize. Ah well, I suppose Lucina vs Grovyle may get its chance another day.)
@JoshioE110 That is a remaster of a great game from the Gamecube Era and the first time in more than a decade they have done right by the series after -Sticker Star -Color Splash -Paper Jam -Origami King were all BAD to MEDIOCRE at best. Definitely check out the original 64 if TTYD is your jam, or the remaster of Square's Super Mario RPG or the Wii's Super Paper Mario if you are willing to try different gameplay.
No, it wouldn’t. They literally showed in the post-fight analysis that in an alternate scenario that Bowser could just use the Wonder Flower against Lightman Eggman by simply turning him into a Goomba for example that he has no resistance against.
Do I agree with the outcome: No, I think Eggman had the power, smarts, and versatility needed to win the majority of scenarios. And the research crew underestimated things like The Phantom Ruby and Eggman’s expansive gem collection. Do I think this episode is peak fiction personified and still one of Death Battle’s best productions yet: ABSO-FREAKING-LUTLEY! 😆🔥🔥🔥🔥
Actually Josh, it is true. You’re mistaken it for when she suggested that Eggman asked for Sonic’s help in escaping cyberspace. She did think that The End was unstoppable
29:14 well prior to actually teaming up with sonic all of her calculation showed that they were undefeatable. Once she finally let go of what was holding Eggman back, was she able to finally calculate stuff with sonic
@@lightdarksoul2097 Depends. I mean he resisted Unicron control for a bit, but Loki illusions can go beyond and play with his logic. Even Bumblebee managed to talk to him sort of in Prime.
@@centurynerdbr I haven't seen that much transformers though I want too the verse is cool. I hear prime and transformers one are both great places to start
Watching this makes me wonder if bowser should have rematch with ganon. Maybe them and army's going against each other. Or perhaps king dede and his army vs bowser and his army
I love how much info they had for this fight that they needed to show off other endings that could have happened. Though I must admit anyone else feel like the koopalings were an after thought? I don't think I saw them at all in the fight. Also the moment Bowser saw Jr get hit ya gotta know they had to at least have metal sonic get trashed for that one. And damn if you couldn't feel the anger in the voice actor who did Bowser for that. Well made DB... Though with that all said if we're letting mario party in why didn't we see any sonic shuffle powers hehe.
I imagine that Koopalings would’ve delayed the fight while not providing any interesting interactions, sort of like how they removed Infinite early so he didn’t send the fight to a standstill or anything. The Koopalings are a seven-pack though, so leaving them out is best.
From my understanding they made everyone think that gravity got turned up by... let's say 100. Because of that stomp foes like bob-ombs, koopas, goombas got wrecked from it. But king boo who couldn't care if it was a trillion times more gravity was able to move freely, and with all the mischief of a boo picked to drop a thromp, a gravity damage dealing enemy, onto Infinite.
Little upset they didn't include fleetway continuity as well, cause that version of eggman once had a multi-part story arc where their combined power turned him into a nigh-omnipotent god weak only to the grey control emerald.
That's because Archie and Fleetway are different continuities while IDW is canon with the games. In fact, it starts 7 months after the events of Sonic Forces.
@@lewisbarclay9113 Depends if the source is from a completely different continuity where things and characters are too different then the don't unless it involves two composite characters.
Eggman hands down had the speed and intelligence advantage, but bowsers better access to his trumpcards/counters to what eggman can throw at him and unparalleled strength and endurance gives bowser a definitive edge (remember bowser has more options for invulnerability, counter for things like the metal virus and phantom ruby, and the base line ability to do things that eggman NEEDS the chaos emeralds or a specialized machine to do.) there are for sure situations where eggman wins but bowser i think takes the crown more offten.
Top 3 Death Battles I want to see. #3 Nabeshin vs. Bobobo (Excel Saga vs. Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo) #2 D vs. Alucard (Vampire Hunter D vs. Castlevania) #1 Mumm-Ra vs. Skeletor (Thunder Cats vs. He-Man)
I do feel like they may have given bowser a bit too much of an edge in this. The wonderflower and the dream stone aren't his. They're things he had to steal to use. I don't disagree with the results, and I still think it's wonderful. But just a little quirk to me.
So are the chaos emeralds and the phantom ruby. Neither of those were Eggman's either, he had to steal or find those to use. This argument is inherently flawed.
@@RaggedyVelvet Not really? Chaos Emeralds I'll agree to, but the Phantom Ruby Is more inherently his. THe heroes never really use it, and it's only ever really been in Eggmans hands. The wonderflower however is exclusive to a single kingdom that bowser just doesn't have control over anymore, and the dream stone was ripped from him by the bros. Heck the whole inhaling thing also shouldn't have been given to him as a benefit because that was a part of the vacuum shrooms Fawful gave him rather then be an intrinsic thing he could do. Something that if I recall was also lost at the end of that game. Like, by a similar token, why DIDN'T they give Eggman access to creatures he's controlled or manipulated like chaos or dark Gaia or the Gizoids or anything like that? I still agree with the end result. I still love the fight. It just doesn't sit right with me is all.
@@jessphilipguevarra4743 I still wouldnt call that stolen. No one knew of its existence before that. It's not like the Master Emerald where it's guarded by knuckles.
A lot of the things they gave Bowser like the Grand Star, the Star Rod, and the Wonder Flower weren't his. He stole those items and lost them when mario got them back so letting him have all of them for this fight doesn't make sense where as all of Eggman's stuff were things he built himself and the Chaos Emeralds are a sort of grey area since they don't belong to anyone thus are completely up for grabs. Also adding functions from the mario party games as abilities is just stupid since they are just board game mechanics and not anything we see Kamek do outside of the party games and I'm pretty sure that Bowser needs Kamek to return from the dead and he's beaten by super metal sonic.
Bowser Jr can bring his dad back and the phantom ruby wasn't Eggmans he found it. The Grand Star is one of many so yeah Bowser can have one in his pocket. Kinda same for the wonder flower just one of many. I'll give you the star rod though
@@Purpleolives123 I think if he had Sage then he could control all of Wily's robots since they can be reprogrammed, that's how Wily took control of them in the first place.
@@Purpleolives123 Eggman when the episode last came out was missing so many tools he has now. Wily hasn't really gotten better since; Eggman definitely takes it now. But for the time Metal Sonic winning was hilarious.
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Someone in the comments of the original video pointed out that when Death Egg is powering up and a bunch of minions flee, they're all Eggman's minions because they know he's more than willing to sacrifice them to win. While all of Bowser's forces remain.
I mean, that makes sense. Bowser's minions would have no idea that laser piss was coming down on them.
Given Bowser willingly jumped in front of his troops to defend them from the blast, makes sense he would have their loyalty
alternatively, they were just commanded by Sage to fall back.
Remember, most of Eggman's forces are meant to be commanded by him (or Sage). It's likley he just didn't want to get his own troops in the blast radius out of pragmatism.
In a comment in another reaction someone pointed out that Bowser was also protecting his army from Infinites gravity attack. After Infinite attacks several are killed but then it cuts to Bowsers had surrounded by a glow of what is likely magic, then cuts to his army covered in the same glow. He protected his minions twice in this battle when he could probably dealt with Infinite directly at the cost of his forces… but he chose to protect them instead. Bowser may be a villain but hes not a bad guy.
@@KaoretheHalfDemon Oh Bowser’s still a bad guy let’s not get it twisted, he’s just a bad guy who uses common sense and heart when it comes to leading his men.
You can see Jr stepping in front of Bowser to protect him multiple times, a habit he most likely picked up from his old man directly
“A true king stands in front of what he wants to protect” after all
I mean, he literally jumps in front of the path of the orbital laser, shielding his troops from it. Then he remains standing until it dissipates, further ensuring those behind him aren't hit by it. It makes the moment he comes back, the scattered remains of his troops still behind him, just such a _raw_ image.
I like how casually they said Bowser used his dark magic to reanimate his own corpse.
Let me repeat that: he reanimated HIS OWN corpse.
Dude died and somehow still used his magic to literally raise HIMSELF from the dead.
If the Necromancer is his own best backup:
AND while his son, his adoptive sons AND Kamek are still kicking, he has infinite continúes lol
Bowser doesn’t “die” when he’s turned to Dry Bowser. The dude simply can survive losing all his skin because he’s simply built different.
It gets crazier throughout Sonic games you never see Eggman “die”
But throughout Mario games, bowser dies at least a couple dozen times across the series, Bowser Jr and the Koopalings be damned, he reanimates his own corpse and can reattach his own skin, Bowser is effectively immortal.
Actually more to support this: bowser can without any help at all, survive the vacuum of space(in Odyssey he survives on the moon without any pressurization at all), so can Mario, which is a whole other thing we need to talk about, but that kind of pressure is insane, the sheer durability of Bowser is on a level that makes even toonforce seem fair.
How can he do that? Because I've never seen him in game do it himself. Kamek or Jr were usually the ones to bring him back as Dry Bowser
Quick correction, Josh, Sage actually DID think The End, in particular, was unbeatable, that's why she put Eggman in Cyber Space to protect him. It was only after seeing Sonic at work that she got the idea that a winning outcome was possible (she notes, I recall, that their forces alone were insufficient but Sonic opened up new possibilities that could lead to victory, which helps convince Eggman to form an alliance with Sonic. It was only due to joining forces with Sonic and friends that they were able to take it down).
Well to be fair, it's stated there that Sonic literally twisted fate. So I don't think that necessarily mucks up Sage's simulation abilities at all.
Exactly! And, if I may add- Sage didn't have a plan to beat The End because none of her prior plans included the possibility of Sonic and Eggman working together, likely out of knowledge of Eggman's pattern of action. The difference between this statement and Josh's is massive- "We couldn't have done it without working together with Sonic" is markedly different statement from "from everything I believe is even vaguely possible, there is no way to do it".
She didn't account for it because she saw a _0%_ possibility of Sonic and her father working together.
Fate Resistance and Manipulation is something Sonic consistently has.
@@gxstly You’re thinking of ARCHIE Sonic
@@Rediscool9 No, he also defied fate in Sonic and the Secret Rings. Erazor Djinn literally controlled the story yet Sonic defied that.
I’m pretty sure this is one of the top Death Battle matchups I’ve ever wanted to see… _and it did not disappoint._ 0.0
29:00 I’m glad you addressed that. But thinking on it another way, that also implies that Eggman couldn’t beat the Titans without Sonic’s help. They required his powers and Chaos energy to pull it off, meaning any feats related to that wouldn’t apply to this fight.
I like that this fight was also between Bowser's and Eggman's armies and not just them individually. Both of these iconic villains minions are just as critical to their identity as their personalities.
Looks like Bowser finally redeemed himself for his loss against Ganondorf.
And Bowser was avenged on top of that! Thanks, Dracula!
I have a suggestion, Loki Vs Megatron. What to you think?
Honestly I still feel that battle was off just for the NLF for Ganon on being killed by Holy weapons. Honestly I have to wonder if the result would change based on their current research
And now Eggman is the one in need of redemption, since he ultimately lost both his Death Battles.
Both he and Wily were taken down by a berserk Metal Sonic, who was himself defeated by Zero. If memory serves, Zero was one of Wily's creations.
@@dragonmaster48141 I think it was hypocritical to let Ganondorf summon Gohma (the enervation curse used on the Deku Tree was tied to Gohma, noted to be a parasitic organism, meaning it's likely a summoning spell) but not let Bowser have any equivalent abilities.
the way death battle summarizes the relationship between bowser and his army vs Eggman's relationship with his reminds me of this line from Bionicle 3 Web of Shadows, which Vakama tells to Roodaka "I lead only those who choose to follow. That's the difference between being a leader, and a tyrant like you."
Bowser’s both a leader AND a tyrant. Also, Eggman’s forces are comprised entirely of his OWN robots/creations or people who did willingly join his empire, Eggman’s just simply terrible at leading them.
@@Rediscool9 well with Eggman anyone who willingly worked with him like Infinite and Mimic only did so for their own reasons (revenge for the former and to save his own skin for the latter) the only one who did so out of genuine loyalty was Dr. Starline and we all know how that ended
Infinite dies like a Looney Tunes character. Perfect. Also holy crap Kamek weaponising Mario Party is wild!
People were worried about comics lore; no one expected the Mario Party lore.
No One Expects Chance Time.
According to...I think it's the animator, Infinite is still alive under that Thwomp. He's just questioning his life choices because he was taken out so easily. Mind you, this is third hand information, as in I got it from another comment.
@@card9247 Imagine being last place with 0 emeralds, how embarrassing!
Credit where it's due, he has the most on screen kills on Eggman's side.
I do move the addition of the alternative scenarios, even if their brief they’re really cool ways of showing off how other paths could have gone
To clarify, she didn't believe the Titans were beatable and saw a slim chance of winning when considering Sonic into the equation. Which means she's only able to make calculations based on what she knows. She didn't know Sonic as much until multiple confrontations during the story, where she was proven wrong time and time again. Thus made her consider having Sonic help Eggman for that slim chance.
Nothing to say but:
*LONG LIVE THE KING!*
May his reign be long and prosperous...and may Peach give him a chance for once.
Note: When Sage was talking about working together with Sonic, she was specifically talking about The End, not the titans.
Bowser: Well, you know what they say about making omelettes; you gotta break a few eggs! Bwa ha ha ha ha ha!
Didn't care who won. Just as long as it was epic which it definitely was.
You have more maturity and sense than most Death Battle fans I've interacted with.
"Actually, that's not true... She said they had no chance if they didn't work with Sonic."
Ehh... technically right, but not exactly. She analyzed millions of scenarios, saw that neither side could win alone, but didn't think about the idea of working together with Sonic until the eleventh hour. Granted part of that was in accordance to Eggman's biases, but even then the chance calculated was more slim than it apparently should've been.
Seriously (even as a die hard Mario fan), best death battle since Bill Cipher vs. Discord! 😁😇
Love how Bowser puts himself in front of the Death Egg Laser to protect his troops. Thats the mark of a true King. Also...DAMN Dry Bowserlooks so awsome here!
i noticed how death battle was, especially bowser vs ganondorf where they even got facts incorrect, and the experts actually agreed that bowser should have won. here, they actually do real research into both sides
Glad Sage didn’t die based on the after fight scene
Feels like it could be a setup for sage vs Bowser jr
@@jamesriemer6160no
@@jamesriemer6160 I'm not sure either is really capable of hurting the other on their own. Tech wise, Sage uses most Eggman tech, on its own BJ can't win.
Ong. DB does have a casualty list with minors, but even killing her or Baby B would be pushing it 😅
@@MicaiahBaron Plus, I think Junior in particular is better off with another matchup right?
Most popular one I've seen for him (from memory) against Tron Bonne, but I'm sure there's other matchups for him that'd be better. Maybe, idk
29:27, Not the biggest error they made. That would be them thinking that Tracer doged a point blank shot from Widowmaker when the latter actually shot through the former to hit her actual target. They did call it accurately with Widowmaker vs. Black Widow, though.
No, they werent wrong about Sage. Throughout the game she calculates multiple times sonics chances against the titans and sonic proves her wrong. Thats what theyre referring to
They’re not even making an error here. Sage indeed believed multiple times that Sonic stood no chance against the Titans on his own and yet he proved her wrong multiple times showing that her calculations and predictions are not infallible in the slightest and can 100% be wrong.
What Josh was mistaking was the part where she was dealing with The End where she decided that Eggman teaming up with Sonic would help and be the only way for them to defeat The End, but by this point, Sage now knew Sonic very well as a person and as a fighter.
Sage should know absolutely nothing about Bowser and his army by comparison similar to how she knew nothing about Sonic at the beginning of Frontiers and therefore wrongly predicted his fate and the outcome between him and the Titans. Therefore, her calculations and predictions wouldn’t be very helpful in this fight.
This is probably my favorite battle, up there with Saitama vs Popeye and Omniman vs Homelander.
Definitelly my favorite song, IT'S A BANGER!
Game Over is definitely one of Brandon Yates’ best works! Love how E.G.G.M.A.N.’s leitmotif echoes with it!
10:16 Infinite increased gravity. King Boo, being intangible and thus unaffected, thought on his feet and used it against them. Meanwhile, Bowser didn’t do anything because he was busy, using magic to sustain his troops and prevent them from being crushed.
Yeah I had to watch the fight over originally to notice bowser literally had to stop his own troops from getting crushed. Infinite annihilated a chunk of bowsers army instantly with that attack, so I know some people probably got bothered by him dying that way but it’s not like he didn’t do anything. If bowser didn’t shield his own people infinite could have wiped out most of the koopa troop in seconds.
This was up there as the best Death Battle. Lots of love and passion throughout the episode and the fight and animations were fire.
Great episode, and again my favorite fight of the year.
Never mess with a parent's kid that's how you catch hands.
Bowser gave Metal Sonic the "World of Light" treatment.
Regardless of who wanted whom to win, the death battle itself was gloriously animated and truly shows an epic war that makes both sides look amazing.
"twitter is going to be absoloutly insufferable"... you just realized that now?
It's always like that, regardless of topic
only found this out recently but when bowser punches eggman at the end there is a frame where they turn into pixelated sprites bro hit em so hard they went to the nes dimension for second lol
When you think about, there must've been a reason why Kamek has been Bowser's right hand for so long besides raising the koopa king right? This battle proves it lol
He is the leader of the Magikoopas for a damn good reason and it's not just because he's Bowser's foster father. He is a beast with magic and could probably give some notable wizards like Harry Dresden or John Constantine a run for their money.
Here's something I just discovered about that amazing background song, Game Over. Brandon Yates did help make it, of course he makes another banger. But it was also in collaboration with Tyler Anderson and Victor Borba... aka the guy who sang Virgil's theme in Devil May Cry 5!
Fun Fact: this ain't Victor's first Death Battle track either
Oh! That’s sick! I can hear it now that you mention it!
YOU TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY'RE SO RESPECTING WITH THE CHARACTERS IN THEIR ANALYSIS. DUDE, IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MADE ME FALL IN LOVE WITH DEATH BATTLE, HOW THEY CAN MAKE ANY CHARACTER, EVEN SOME STUPID ONES, SEEM LIKE THE MOST BADASS COOLEST CHARACTER IT MAKES ME SO HYPED, I LOVE THEIR ANALYSIS SO MUCH IT'S JUST MUAH
Unless you're super friends aquaman
Heck, sometimes a character that doesn't get much respect does get that within the battle itself (i.e. Superfriends Aquaman).
@@murilosampaio1264Or Dan Hibiki
29:02 Sorta... While Sage did come to the conclusion that Eggman needed to work with Sonic, that was after Sonic spent considerable time in Cyber Space. She witnessed Sonic's feats and tenacity firsthand, making the notion of Sonic being a valuable asset a more valid case. Additionally, Sage was initially restricted by Eggman to simulate such scenarios. At one point, she concedes that Sonic's goals went from being impossible to achieve to improbable. She is working within the confides of the data limited to her. Towards the end of the game, and after much humanizing, Sage convinces Eggman that they needed Sonic's help. Not just because it had the highest probability of success, but because it was Sage's 'hope'. So you and Wiz are both sort of right. Sage realized that she needed Sonic's help, but she had to come around to it. Sonic proved that he can pull off something she originally deemed impossible.
In terms of Death Battle, fighters have no knowledge of their opponent. What Wiz was alluding to was that Sage can be wrong, even with millions of battle plans. Bowser and the Koppa Troop are just built different. With prep, Sage and Eggman might have even the odds, but the same goes for Bowser, who might opt to steal Eggman's stuff. Death Battle looks at these characters at their maximum potential with what comes naturally to them, not things that are made specifically for that particular battle. So when Wiz says that Sage was wrong, he is trying to explain why the DB Team came to the conclusion that Sage's calculations are not infallible.
Sorry if I come off as preachy. I just wanted to show that you remembered correctly, yet at the same time, Wiz's words also have some basis.
@@FinestLegacy Well said!
i'm so grateful that they didn't kill sage or bowser jr
I agree, they def nerfed SAGE's planning skills, but I still think Eggy would've been overwelmed more often than not by the sheer variety of Bowser's powers, Kamek's shenanigans, and the Koopa Troop spamming those Mario items. The good Doctor certainly could've won in multiple scenarios, which DB makes it sound like was physically impossible due to "billions of strategies that the EE just couldn't plan for", but no, that's definitely wrong, because SAGE absolutely would've accounted for every variable long before Operation Catfish was even in the mobilization phase. But Eggman just lacks the consistent reliability that Bowser, his forces, and all of their abilities, simply have in spades. SAGE would've known the only way to guarantee a win would've been with Mario or Sonic's help, but fat chance convincing either of them to help conquer Bowser's castle, and probably the Mushroom Kingdom. Any attempt to reach out to either of them just would've stacked Bowser's side with the Plumber and/or the Hedgehog, making Eggman's already-unreliable chances outright impossible.
In short: In the event of an Eggman loss, SAGE is right to join the Koopa Troop and plot their downfall from the inside. With the Chaos Emeralds, or even some of Bowser's own trump cards, she could single-handedly rebuild the entire Eggman Empire in secret, revive Eggman, sabotage the Koopa Troop's advantages, betray Bowser fresh after a particularly devastating defeat by the Mario Brothers, then deliver the whole of the universe on a silver plate to the newly-resurrected Dr. Eggman, all in one fell swoop.
4:35 There's a reason this one has 2 sponsors
I like to point out that Kamek and Jr really were the MVPs buying so much time for Bowser. I counted down the seconds Metal was in his super form, precisely at 50 seconds. The two manage to wear Metal down just by shielding Fury Bowser long enough for Metal to lose super at the right moment to be decimated.
THIS IS MY NEW FAVORITE DEATH BATTLE!
Leave it to Eggman to mess with forces beyond his comprehension.
He does that a lot, from what I hear.
Mixing up Feminist and Womanizer, is like mixing up Medicine with a Shotgun 😂😭
Y'know, I feel not enough love is given to Bowser's final words. To have been memed all these years, just to finally let out his own "So Long!" before punching Eggman - like the castle in the analysis - _out of orbit!_
I read a comment elsewhere that said "This Death Battle reminded people why they love Death Battle". I'm inclinded to agree.
This has to be my favorite death battle just due to the animation
It's interesting that both Bowser and Eggman got live action adaptations but only the latter was good
Well yeah, one was a film from three whole decades ago that teased a sequel that never ended up happening while the other is on their way to getting a whole trilogy. 😂
Senator Armstrong vs Saxton Hal sounds like a more interesting fight than Senator Armstrong vs President Valentine
"twitter is going to be absoloutly insufferable" oh i didnt realize today was a day ending with a Y.
All hail the King.
I do disagree with some aspects of the conclusion. I think it was a bad move to use lesser feats and scaling for both Bowser and Eggman's mechs to just say Bowser easily has the stat edge when their own research presented says they would actually be close to even. They already get a lot of crap from Sonic fans for lowballing the verse so no idea why they went this route when equal stats is more interesting and doesn't change the outcome. Also, as you pointed out, Sage was not incorrect in her plans for the Titans she knew all along Sonic was the missing key. Very weird point that is easily proven wrong. Other than that, I think the outcome is fair for their interpretation of lore and feats.
Not that it matters much, the fight and pre-analysis was peak and I like both characters, so I'm pretty happy all thing's considered.
Well, not really. She didn't know all along. In fact, when she first met sonic, she actively believed Giganto would end him. That was clearly wrong. She also thought The End was completely unbeatable, it wasn't until having plenty of interactions with Sonic and him proving her previous calculations incorrect again and again that she saw a possible winning outcome. So no, she didn't know all along. In fact, it wasn't until near the end of the game that she truly believed they had a chance.
I honestly think they downplayed Eggman a bit, underestimating some of his heavier hitters. Not that I necessarily disagree with the verdict, it’s THAT CLOSE of a matchup, I just don’t think their reasoning is all that airtight. In an army battle, strategy and intelligence is far greater of a factor than they seemed to make it.
But they explained that that Eggman ha to be commanding everything at once. Sage is his only real Lieutenant, with Metal and Infinite not hown to be able to commnd his troops. Having to direct your entire army to a ever-adapting battlefield, and figus on Bowser is a herculean task. Bowser only had to focus on the Doctor, as his army has more commanders, and has the thought process to engage in small unit tactics without Bowser needing to micromanage.
But all of that is focused on a select few individuals (Eggman, Sage, and MAYBE Metal Sonic). This means far less delegation (espeically since Sage still ultimately takes orders from Eggman as well) and far less initiative on the Eggman Empire's part. As a result, the army, while having good tactics, can be delayed by constnatly needing to micromanage everything on the battlefield. And even if you're highly intelligent, that doesn't always apply to wisdom (Eggman's made plenty of foolhardy mistakes and Sage is still young for an AI).
Remember, the first casualty of war is the battle plan.
EDIT: Something to also keep in mind is that power ups were brought into play and it VERY MUCH complicates matters for planning. The issue isn't simply 'making a plan' at this point, it's planning for millions upon millions of factors that could come into play at any moment. Even for Sage and Eggman, that's an insane task to consider.
Bowser has the benefit of having really busted Magic, Eggman is just a really smart guy who built as lot of shit. He’s still human.
@@Uesr2004DActually, Metal Sonic is a pretty good counter. There’s nothing to suggest he couldn’t copy Kameks own magic via copying abilities that should not be able to have that effect, like Silvers Psychokinesis and Shadow’s Chaos Control. There’s so many ways you can give Eggman the win, the verdict is true but also trying to convince you why they had Bowser won.
@@Linear_Line_423 thing is, bowser had multiple power cancelling abilities from the get go among his troops, which would shut down metal sonic's chances right away
''How much salt can Infinite take?''
''Ehhhh... probably two weeks worth of rock salt.''
Glad I found this channel.
23:11 I love how even youtubers who were 100% behind Eggman saw Bowser Jr get hurt and were like
"Uh oh"
Petiton to have Moarté (one of Linkara's characters) review the Metal Virus arc for Longbox of The Damned
Oh good I'm not the only one.
If Game Over doesn't make it into your next Villains Song video, you and I are fighting
- And it wasn't even Star Child Yoshi who did that to Raphael Raven - that was a NORMAL Yoshi.
- Culex 3D was no joke, as his new third dimension gave him the power to "consume all time and space" (which is shockingly similar to what Solaris and Time Eater were going to do), and Bowser can outlast this kind of power even without invincibility items. Okay, he WAS in a team of five (alongside fellow Star Children Mario and Peach), but so was Culex with his 3D Crystals - even one of them is potent enough to fully restore his power!
- The Chaos Emeralds' power to "give thoughts power" does sound similar to Bowser's innate magical ability to make what he imagines happen. I wonder if this is what gives the Star Children their power? There's similar things with Peach's immense wish magic, Wario's ability to not feel like dying, and Luigi's dreamy might, after all.
(All the more reason I REALLY wanna see Luigi vs Riku now...!)
- Oh, Infinite's apparently fine, albeit his ego's even more shattered. Still, he was out of commission 8 seconds after he showed up - that's even sooner than MICHELANGELO (even if Mikey was done super dirty, but that was Season 1)!
- "HOW DARE YOU! KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY SOOOOOOOON!!!" Chills. Every. Time.
- Started with plywood, ended with plywood. And with all those 1-Up sounds, seems the Koopa Troop's casualties are being overturned as well.
- Hope we see more Alternate Scenarios in the future (like, I dunno, Ash being revived by Pokemon tears, or using other Pokemon besides the chosen six).
- You've no idea how hard I laughed at the Next Time.
(Though that is in part because it started with a scene that we Fire Emblem Awakening players might recognize. Ah well, I suppose Lucina vs Grovyle may get its chance another day.)
We got a finale budget in the third episode. That's how you know it's gonna be a good season
Long Live The King!
3:44 Paper Mario is canon
. . .
THEN WHY DON'T THEY TREAT IT BETTER!?
Paper Mario, the thousand year door on the Nintendo switch?
@JoshioE110 That is a remaster of a great game from the Gamecube Era and the first time in more than a decade they have done right by the series after
-Sticker Star
-Color Splash
-Paper Jam
-Origami King
were all BAD to MEDIOCRE at best.
Definitely check out the original 64 if TTYD is your jam, or the remaster of Square's Super Mario RPG or the Wii's Super Paper Mario if you are willing to try different gameplay.
paper mario was implied to be the Mario until the crossover game with Mario and luigi. though Mario RPG is still the mario
I didn’t know you did Death Battle reactions.
Honestly? This is my current favorite Death Battle, and it's tied with Goku Vs Superman 3.
so many reactions and no on comments on the sick burn with the toad line
My favorite so far,
By the way, when and where did Super Eggman happen?
Seen it and all I can say is that this is more awesome than all might vs might guy!
They didn't let robotnik use his light man form the fight would've been different
No, it wouldn’t. They literally showed in the post-fight analysis that in an alternate scenario that Bowser could just use the Wonder Flower against Lightman Eggman by simply turning him into a Goomba for example that he has no resistance against.
Your correction around the 29:20 mark? You're mentioning Sage's argument about fighting The End, not the titans.
I'd love tonsee you react to DB Bloopers.
The outtakes for Cable vs Booster Gold are LEGENDARY!
IT'S TIME FOR A DILF BATTLLLLLLLLLE!
Do I agree with the outcome: No, I think Eggman had the power, smarts, and versatility needed to win the majority of scenarios. And the research crew underestimated things like The Phantom Ruby and Eggman’s expansive gem collection.
Do I think this episode is peak fiction personified and still one of Death Battle’s best productions yet: ABSO-FREAKING-LUTLEY! 😆🔥🔥🔥🔥
This fight was awesome. Also can't wait to laugh during the next fight Among Us vs. Fall Guys.
Meanwhile I wait patiently evermore for the Kratos Vs Asura fight.....
Shame that they forgot the time bowser was an op skylander
Actually Josh, it is true. You’re mistaken it for when she suggested that Eggman asked for Sonic’s help in escaping cyberspace. She did think that The End was unstoppable
Ive noticed in the soundtrack, the guitar in the beginning sounds like the guitar in the e.g.g.m.a.n theme
It might be the best death battle
29:14 well prior to actually teaming up with sonic all of her calculation showed that they were undefeatable. Once she finally let go of what was holding Eggman back, was she able to finally calculate stuff with sonic
I'm with Josh on the Metal Virus saga that was the darkest storyline in the entire Sonic IDW comics.
I have a idea for a Death Battle, since they already made Galactus Vs Unicron, then how about Loki Vs Megatron? What to you guys think?
can megatron deal with magic?
@@lightdarksoul2097 Depends. I mean he resisted Unicron control for a bit, but Loki illusions can go beyond and play with his logic. Even Bumblebee managed to talk to him sort of in Prime.
@@centurynerdbr I haven't seen that much transformers though I want too the verse is cool. I hear prime and transformers one are both great places to start
@@lightdarksoul2097 I would recommend starting One, then Bumblebee and Rise of the Beasts.
@@centurynerdbr thanks
Death battle has done it again 😊
As Frieza once said: When you come at the King... *DON'T*
Watching this makes me wonder if bowser should have rematch with ganon. Maybe them and army's going against each other. Or perhaps king dede and his army vs bowser and his army
this episode isn't based on the normal rules. by the black boxes explanations, the Jeweled Scepter is very much applicable
I love how much info they had for this fight that they needed to show off other endings that could have happened. Though I must admit anyone else feel like the koopalings were an after thought? I don't think I saw them at all in the fight.
Also the moment Bowser saw Jr get hit ya gotta know they had to at least have metal sonic get trashed for that one. And damn if you couldn't feel the anger in the voice actor who did Bowser for that. Well made DB... Though with that all said if we're letting mario party in why didn't we see any sonic shuffle powers hehe.
I imagine that Koopalings would’ve delayed the fight while not providing any interesting interactions, sort of like how they removed Infinite early so he didn’t send the fight to a standstill or anything. The Koopalings are a seven-pack though, so leaving them out is best.
4:03 Sneak Peak at the most fun Bros. Attack in Brothership
I think I have a new song for the villians month. Game over.
So wait did Infinite kill Goomboss or was it an illusion?
Both. The illusions somehow kill people
From my understanding they made everyone think that gravity got turned up by... let's say 100. Because of that stomp foes like bob-ombs, koopas, goombas got wrecked from it. But king boo who couldn't care if it was a trillion times more gravity was able to move freely, and with all the mischief of a boo picked to drop a thromp, a gravity damage dealing enemy, onto Infinite.
Little upset they didn't include fleetway continuity as well, cause that version of eggman once had a multi-part story arc where their combined power turned him into a nigh-omnipotent god weak only to the grey control emerald.
That's because Archie and Fleetway are different continuities while IDW is canon with the games. In fact, it starts 7 months after the events of Sonic Forces.
@@Violent_Wolfen I thought Deathbattle drew from all sources across a franchise?
@@lewisbarclay9113 Depends if the source is from a completely different continuity where things and characters are too different then the don't unless it involves two composite characters.
Eggman hands down had the speed and intelligence advantage, but bowsers better access to his trumpcards/counters to what eggman can throw at him and unparalleled strength and endurance gives bowser a definitive edge (remember bowser has more options for invulnerability, counter for things like the metal virus and phantom ruby, and the base line ability to do things that eggman NEEDS the chaos emeralds or a specialized machine to do.) there are for sure situations where eggman wins but bowser i think takes the crown more offten.
Top 3 Death Battles I want to see.
#3 Nabeshin vs. Bobobo (Excel Saga vs. Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo)
#2 D vs. Alucard (Vampire Hunter D vs. Castlevania)
#1 Mumm-Ra vs. Skeletor (Thunder Cats vs. He-Man)
Nabeshin and Bobobo would be absolutely nuts. Especially with the former you'd have to include Puni Puni Poemy and Nerima Daikon Brothers.
You doubted greatness?
“He’s got friends! What about Infinite?”
What about Infinite? You look up the definition of mid and you only see his face.
I do feel like they may have given bowser a bit too much of an edge in this.
The wonderflower and the dream stone aren't his. They're things he had to steal to use.
I don't disagree with the results, and I still think it's wonderful. But just a little quirk to me.
So are the chaos emeralds and the phantom ruby. Neither of those were Eggman's either, he had to steal or find those to use. This argument is inherently flawed.
@@RaggedyVelvetWas about to make this same argument, Bowser owns the Wonder Flower to the exact same extent that Eggman does the Chaos Emeralds…
@@RaggedyVelvet Not really? Chaos Emeralds I'll agree to, but the Phantom Ruby Is more inherently his. THe heroes never really use it, and it's only ever really been in Eggmans hands. The wonderflower however is exclusive to a single kingdom that bowser just doesn't have control over anymore, and the dream stone was ripped from him by the bros. Heck the whole inhaling thing also shouldn't have been given to him as a benefit because that was a part of the vacuum shrooms Fawful gave him rather then be an intrinsic thing he could do. Something that if I recall was also lost at the end of that game.
Like, by a similar token, why DIDN'T they give Eggman access to creatures he's controlled or manipulated like chaos or dark Gaia or the Gizoids or anything like that?
I still agree with the end result. I still love the fight.
It just doesn't sit right with me is all.
@@concordiaharmony2302 He stole the Phantom Ruby from Angel Island after his robots sensed it
@@jessphilipguevarra4743 I still wouldnt call that stolen. No one knew of its existence before that. It's not like the Master Emerald where it's guarded by knuckles.
30:40 you say thay like it normally isnt lol
A lot of the things they gave Bowser like the Grand Star, the Star Rod, and the Wonder Flower weren't his. He stole those items and lost them when mario got them back so letting him have all of them for this fight doesn't make sense where as all of Eggman's stuff were things he built himself and the Chaos Emeralds are a sort of grey area since they don't belong to anyone thus are completely up for grabs. Also adding functions from the mario party games as abilities is just stupid since they are just board game mechanics and not anything we see Kamek do outside of the party games and I'm pretty sure that Bowser needs Kamek to return from the dead and he's beaten by super metal sonic.
Bowser Jr can bring his dad back and the phantom ruby wasn't Eggmans he found it. The Grand Star is one of many so yeah Bowser can have one in his pocket. Kinda same for the wonder flower just one of many. I'll give you the star rod though
Feminist = Appreciator of Women = Womanizer
No, that translation seems legit to me.
Wait so bowser cant die cause he reanimate his own corpse
Now all we need is a Bowser vs. Ganondorf rematch.
No
I think that one was pretty spot on. One v one, Ganondorf's magic is way stronger, and Bowser can't steal or interact with souls like Ganon can.
Spoiler:
BEHOLD, THE TRUE STRENGTH, OF THE KING OF KOOPAS!!
Am I the only one who thinks that these two should've won their last Death Battle episodes?
Bowser yes eggman idk
@@Purpleolives123 I think if he had Sage then he could control all of Wily's robots since they can be reprogrammed, that's how Wily took control of them in the first place.
@@Purpleolives123 Eggman when the episode last came out was missing so many tools he has now. Wily hasn't really gotten better since; Eggman definitely takes it now. But for the time Metal Sonic winning was hilarious.
@@MicaiahBaron “Wily hasn't really gotten better since”
That’s cause Capcom utterly refuses to make new Mega Man games. 😭
Team Bowser forever!!
SHOW TIME!! >:)
Still prefer among us vs TTT (Gmod)