There is no rule or law saying a women can't hold her baby during a religious blessing. This is complete nonsense. Saying that it happened doesn't make it true.
This was one of my shelf breakers, too. I sat in the temple and the sexism there was so blatant. I wanted so badly to believe in the church but I just couldn't understand a sexist God.
The Mormon cult isn’t just sexist, it’s prejudice in everyway, shape and form. And that’s what I’m gonna expose to the world when I become an activist against it
@@KB-ec3iy Yes you love YOUR god, not THE God from the Bible. Because the real God doesn’t dwell in temples (Acts 7:48 and Acts 17:24) You love your man made Masonic temples because you really don’t love God. We’re sorry you’re fooled by a false religion
Those who have been indoctrinated will always feel justified in their attack on your disbelief. They will shame you for having thoughts contrary to the group. It has always fascinated me that those who claim to be the most righteous will be the first to pass judgement.
@@mustanggenerations691you have no ground to stand on. some people do let others do their thinking for them after they leave the church because of the conditioning, but it's not a requirement that they do.
Exactly my problem with most branches of Judeo-Christian faith: Patriarchal superiority. And please note, it's so pervasive that this computer program automatically capitalized those terms above. Institutional sexism.
What does my computer do if I type in matriarchal vs patriarchal authority? Well, as you see above it only capitalized the I. And the first letter of a new sentence. If I spell patriarch with a capital p, like this, Patriarch, then it will eventually learn from YOUR input to follow your lead...
If the thing you are going to for guidance and salvation makes you feel less than, why keep trying to be a part of it especially when you realize it is doctrinal not just cultural?
My parents were Baha’i. They truly do believe in equality. I am grateful for that good belief…..there are lots good things they taught, and I do believe I am a better person for it. The biggest thing that religion gave me though….after I researched ALL of them….is that I really do get to choose what I believe. I do not call myself any religion….I am free….I am equal. 💙🙏🏼
I'm so glad you left this comment and I came across it. There's a Baha'i Faith sign on the corner house in the town I live in and I've been curious about what it meant. Your comment reminded me to go look at it. I feel very aligned to this belief system - after growing up LDS. Thank you from a grateful heart ❤️
The number one reason that Utah is ranked last in gender equality is because they rank and weight heavily based on women that take jobs. So if you're a stay-at-home mom they rank it low. Like it's a bad thing! The best job in the world and it's ranked as the worst.
it's the best... to some. it's the worst to others. women are often pressured by religion to stay home and uphold those gender roles, which is why it's indicative of inequality. it also puts women in a position where they can't leave. no matter how much you believe in the role of stay at home mothers, it is based in inequality.
Finally someone used facts not feelings on women getting jobs and women staying at home. Why women want to be equal with men? women are superior in many things, do women want to be dumb like some men are?
Well I want to be best friends! I think you are amazing and amazing example to women and young women and even young boys/men!! I always tell my son that a woman can do any job a man can. I think he sees it. But I show when I can. I felt the same way at my sons blessing! Like “I did the hard work..what do I get from it?” And even if I hadn’t carried and birthed him, I feel the female role should be in there! Maybe this is a chance for change! Watch for it! Next thing you know, it will be here!
The funny thing is now (in the LDS Church) Women are treated as not only being equals (but often even put on a pedestal, and then to the detriment of men) Often the men are put down (inside the church), told they aren't as "good" or not as faithful as women and are bad. I myself have repeatedly heard this time in time (not just members, but actual bishop, teachers, leaders etc). The Church (especially) know bends over backwards to make the women feel good about themselves (Even changed the temple ceremonies). Plus the LDS church is the only church that says women can be "goddesses" (So I would think that aspect is an amazing for Women). So Im sorry this sister felt wronged sometimes growing up (maybe the outside made her feel that way - that women in the church didn't have it good, etc - or need more) So I don't doubt everything she says, as I'm all about improvement and doing better. However try being a man now days! Thats who is primarily is attacked. And this thought or teaching id definitely not consistent with the Proclamation to the Family. Honestly I think this is not the real doctrine but more "culture" and pandering to one gender group in order to appease, or not loose membership, etc. So I'm not opposed to making even a particular group feel special, but not at the "expense" of another (which is a "zero sum game"). When one person said one-time in leadership : men 9/10 are worse than women, etc. So I feel bad for the good men in the church (many have been abused verbally, or in other ways) by women etc - when the church may sometimes turn a blind eye to these (abusers, trends or actions) just because they are not men. No wonder men feel they are being attacked (outside the church) and sometimes (ignored) inside the church. Anyway food for thought and God Bless :)
It's called "benevolent sexism" when you pretend to hold women in high regard, but still give men authority, prestige, privilege and power. Women are never in critical leadership roles. They are "auxiliaries" (i.e. non-essential) by the Church's own admission. The Church still heavily pins women down as being created for marriage and children and discourages women from pursuing fulfilling lives outside of home & family. I sincerely regret the wasted time & opportunities lost by letting uninspired men tell me how to live my life. I'm happy I left.
I was a missionary in a Spanish branch where they were open about praising mothers. They essentially said that the church was there to help the men become more productive members of society and their families like mothers are naturally.
The man can’t be exalted without the woman and the woman can’t exalted without the man. Salvation is a an individual matter and exaltation is a family matter.
It's amazing how many people here in the comments don't actually know what they are talking about. Please understand before you are trying to be understood. The amount of misconception here is crazy.
I get what you are saying but would like to add that I don't feel equal and I don't want to feel "equal." God knows each of his children. I get what I need spiritually and do my best to share with others. I know my purpose and have a relationship with God. I do my best to serve him both within the "church" and out.
I’m not trying to one up anything, but this is something I really respect about the Catholic Church is that it’s empathized how important the role of both parents are and the role of the mother. I’ve personally never seen or experienced any belittling of parental roles or anything. I also respect how when a question is asked why something is the way it is, it’s not brushed off but given a direct answer with a legitimate logical reason. Not just oh God made it that way so just accept it.
LoL That was some serious indoctrination you just spewed. Funny, my Muslim friends say the same and yet none of you can see that. All religions can’t be right, but they can all be wrong.
The Catholic Church has no logic behind it as they pay to a bunch of different people. Let's take Mary the mother of Jesus for example. They pay to marry, and yet she did not die for our sins. She did not create the universe or the world we live on. She could not, of her own power, do anything any other woman on earth can do, even though she was an extremely righteous woman, seeing as she was chosen of God to be the mother of our Savior. The Catholic Church has also covered up the rape and even murder of children for centuries and concerned the homosexuality of their priest, all why claiming not to condone it.
@@thenaturalmidsouth9536 , agree God said to Adam and even to multiply by bringing children into the world . I'm not a Catholic and I'm not trying to condemn anyone who is , but I don't understand why priests and Nuns cannot be Married ?
45 years of marriage later I realize how sad it is to was mother pass her baby to the front of the Chapel with little or no recognition of the danger and sacrifices she has put herself through so that a bunch of backslapping bros can officially a child like kunta kinte. At the very least Mother’s should be holding the baby! Otherwise keep it in the family and do it at home. ,And please don’t expect my to believe that handing me a flower or a chocolate bar on Mother’s day is supposed to be a proper recognition! Most men I know these days don’t truly honor or even understand the humility that comes with their priesthood anyway so why does this circus show continue? I vote for raising the priest age to 16 or 18 and just blessing it buy the elders and having both genders pass it out to the multitude of parishioners that are not worthy take it but are to embarrassed to not! I think my shelf is broke😢😮
@@chlyri No, women should not be able to bless their children. We read in Alma 42 that God will cease to be God if He didn't follow the eternal laws. There is a perfect scientific and legal pattern upon which the order and function of the cosmos is organized and runs. This specific creation is the footstool of the Lord. A specific pattern had to play out here in order to complete the universal pattern successfully. Eve did the courageous thing to put things in motion. The consequences of negativity toward women will be laid at the doorstep of men who have been cruel. The sufferings of women who have to deal with this chauvinism will be more than made up in the eternities. We understood the bigger picture and excitedly agreed to our part in the plan. The honor and blessings for those on this specific footstool, who are obedient to the laws of the Lord will be astonishingly worth it. Women, if sanctified, will be high priestesses and Queens in the eternities, equal in power and authority with their husbands. The reasons for the challenging role of this footstool earth are layered. I give Firesides on this subject but it is way too long for social media and frankly, too sacred to share in this setting. Please try to understand that we are being tested to see if we have faith to follow the Lord once we have received the witness from the Spirit that the Church is true. That is what it all comes down to. We're not a social club, this is the true Church of Jesus Christ.
Just take responsibility for being a horny adult without bothering this human being speaking about her faith crisis. Goddess p0rn is a click away. From this video. On a new tab.
Here is a question you should ask them. Why is it that in the church, when Joseph Smith was alive, that woman could give blessings. Truth, the church has been modified by the brothers ( not by God) to enforce male dominance (thank you, brother Brigham). Here's truths. Why is it that the decentance of Arron could be the Bishop without the priesthood. Why was it that Josheph Smith translated the Book of Mormon without the priesthood. Last one Why are most Mormons like sheep.
As a widowed woman I have been told time and time again that I have no value because there is no priesthood in my house. Yet the Holy Bible says to care for the widows. In the Book of Mormon index if you look up widow or widowhood it also tells you to look under Needy; Orphan. And I am less than because my family has no long standing ties to the church that they are aware of and it’s because I don’t mention that they do. I don’t attend because God and I have a different relationship than I have with the church. I believe God’s Word not false doctrine.
Her value as a mother or how well she is a mother has nothing to do with wanting to participate in her baby's blessing. Dont let them bring you down sweetie!
It’s sad that no women are not held on the same status as men. Give women more leadership callings, allow women to do religious services. Allow women to serve in area 70, allow them to serve in bishop roles, then women status will be the same.
Women don't need to hold the priesthood. They are equal, but with different duties. Always certain types of individuals who feel the need to complain. Satan started with Eve and he's still manipulating women.
Here’s what I don’t get, it’s a tradition to do it the way it has been done. No one’s required to do a baby blessing for a new born. Why does she want to be special? Like I don’t understand why challenge the tradition? Who cares?
Just like in Christ day we see the culture is the issue not the docterine of Christ. If you understand the Temple Endowment than you know Women share the Preisthood. When I leave the house for work my Wife is the decision maker, leads the prayers, and leads the family til I return. I think we misunderstand that there is the Atonement and it applies to everyone no matter what Gender. The Adversary likes to divide because it halts Christ Work and makes us miserable unto himself.
This is why I don't like the selfish POV in the evangelical church. It's all "about ME and MY relationship" with a deity. Instead of how you relate to your fellow human beings. This is why Judaism is better. I don't give a sht what you believe, I only care how you behave.
That's not even true everyone is treated the same. I'm talking about in the work price. I'm a ex Mormon women are treated differently they need to be treated equally because God has created
🌾✨🌂 What is the purpose of woman? Here me when I explain the female gender's worth. Woman have no value men value is priceless, hence men becoming so sensitive they believe they are made to be a female. Religions hold the woman as sacred, BECOME the greater being you are made to be. God created woman for man to have a flesh to flesh connection of giving God the image of the KIND of love, with choice, to honor God first ALWAYS but to be fruitful of righteousness for eternity. God>Woman=man Women become better NO MORE LIES, the cattles are drained, train with the lifestock to defeat the wildlife. Men become vigilant with a purpose WINNING IS CONTAGIOUS, never becomes easier only simple communication to operate while losing. 🌾
I’m not Mormon. And I’ve never been Mormon. I have a lot of Mormon family members and I live in Salt Lake. When I look at the Mormon church as an objective outsider, I see all the same signs as a cult. Please think about this. And the same can be said for any religion. I read a quote that said you should be like an atheist. Because they are not like a religious person who has a god standing over them forcing them to be good. If they are good, it’s because they are good.
Yes! It is even in the Bible that if you follow all of God's laws even if you aren't in the church you have the laws in your heart and God is pleased by this. But I have yet to meet a single person that hasn't actually broken any of God's laws in their lifetime. With that said. The church has failed many people. In the name of God many people have been hurt, humiliated and even raped. That is why God is now raising people from the satanic church, saving them, cleansing them, and raising them as leaders instead.
Feeling 'less-than' is cultural more than doctrinal. I get it on a certain level but, its an inaccurate perception plaguing younger women these days. The belief system of inequality and feminism is a social construct: a religion that doesn't value anything you love beyond anything else. Its trading down when you're so much more than equal! No one determines your worth but you and when you know yourself, you'll know how empowered you are. Nobody will be able to tell you otherwise. Whatever your desired destination, or standard of living, becoming an actualized, fulfilled being as all God created you to become. The church's encouragement can feel like criticism, especially for young Moms. It isn't. There are so many enticing arguments and so many are loosing this struggle. It isn't easy or even clear sometimes.... no TRADES or SHORTCUTS on the journey of finding your very own, perfectly divine Self
Your argument is about how the father holds the child, and male relatives stand around him while he, the father gives a blessing asking God to help their child throughout their life and because you don’t stand there for that 5 minutes, that makes you beneath him or unequal? You gave birth to the baby, you knew the baby better than it’s father did before it was born. My husband was jealous I got to have that and he didn’t. That’s not unequal. Men & women are different. We have different roles. Just because a man has something or a woman has something doesn’t make it unequal for the opposite sex. Why aren’t you concerned about the fact your husband can’t lay beside you and give birth too? Or breastfeed? Is it inequality when female officers are used in domestic violence situations? Females are generally better at diffusing a situation than men are, Is that inequality because female officers are better at domestic situations? You chose your words to gather the most sympathy & impact without giving the entirety of the story. This channel has nothing to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ. It’s here only to make money, and we all know the best way to make money is to gaslight people with lies. If everyone found out for themselves whenever their told something, channels like yours would have no views. Women of God are the strongest women you will ever meet.
Well said. It's hard to comment against people that are fueled with emotion and "passion". Understanding is found slowly, through desire and action, with meekness. Anyone looking here for it will likely be mistaken.
women are still refused the authority and opportunity to bless their children. you can’t claim equality in value no matter how much you argue. men are viewed as superior becauae it's a patriarchal religion.
I'm always stunned how women of the LDS church don't know that their being treated as chattel. They LITERALLY make women broodmares the second they tie the knot. They expect women to just stay home and raise a dozen kids, cook, clean, etc without complaint and service their husband no matter how tired they are or content. I have an older brother and sister in the LDS church and I was forced to be baptized in the church and they absolutely give me chills! Women aren't equal in their faith at all. They actually have no idea the true meaning behind the story in the Bible of Adam and Eve. The men of the LDS faith are completely mysoganistic! ❤
Let’s also add that those stress factors you mentioned above is exactly why Utah has the highest number of people prescribed to antidepressants at a rate of nearly TWICE the national average! It is also the elder’s & the higher up’s throught the church & in every one of their churches, these men are practically making these women “impove themselves” by making them get on antidepressants & change all their way’s & be uterly miserable & endure untill the end & the more they endure the better because in heaven their rewards will be so much greater. Meanwhile this old white men’s group they call a church is only for their benefit & pleasure & fun & that was exactly what it was designed to be! When all of the women stop letting themselves be fooled & they stop going completely & they put a foot down & put space inbetween them & those sick people then they will have no church & they will be miserable instead of the women who are being abused by the church, the system & even that state because the church runs it & if people don’t think they do then they are not paying attention.
@@suzyvivian7514 Thats awful! But not suprising when they teach girls to "keep sweet and do as theyre told" and boys are treated like kings taught to rule over their wivese. I cant stand any religion that treats women like chattel. I hope you were able to free yourself from his mysoganstic stronghold and know that you are beautiful capable and stronger than his fear of you. May the peace of the lord bless you and keep you and guide you toward a life of unending success and joy.❤️
My wife has a mind of her own!! My wife can get a job if she wants to! My wife takes a shower whenever she wants to go to movies, sleep , I don't tell her what to do , I dont know where you get that from that lds women are slaves to their husbands
Ladies, you are always valued and appreciated. We men despite our own mistakes wouldn't be here without any of you. You women give LIFE. My mom gave me life, that's why I don't get why women have to feel they are oppressed. All of you are beautiful in your own way and as man thank you for bringing the Son of God here. Mary was made holy, there are plenty of strong, wise and wonderful women out there making an impact. I love you girls. Us men we need you just as much as feminism would hate to admit but we need each other at the end of it all. ❤
Eiw. You make me cringe with your speech like I’m having a secondhand embarrassment. I’m a woman and I can tell you 100% that women don’t respect simps. But it’s okay, they love lapdogs.
How can you be treated equally, if you're not the same as a man? You think differently, you feel differently, you act differently, you have different priorities and values, and you're physiologically dimorphic...what made you think you'd be entitled to be treated as a man when you are anything but? Giving you sad, irrational, entitled little creatures was our forefathers' gravest mistake...and both genders are paying for it. Poor thing.
and here we have a chief example of a cult mindset. we can still be given the same opportunities, even if we think differently. that's not irrational entitlement, and calling us "things" doesn't make you or the church look good.
Equal does not mean you do the same thing. The left side cannot be on the right side. A scale has two sides one for what is to be weighed the other is counter weight. This is balanced.
Except it isn’t balanced. Hence why Utah ranks the lowest in equality. You can’t give one person a sword and the other a sewing kit and say they’re equal in power.
Very well said. Even the guru sadahguru was talking about this. Hence why they bring two hands together in prayer position and placed by the heart representing right and left combining together.
You have decided to "wake up" by falling in a deep sleep. Walking in darkness at noonday. Sadly, Satan is smiling at all the comments here. You've truly woken up. The temple doctrines will always allude those of the carnal mind, yet it does allow you to see whatever you want to see. Man is not without the woman and neither is the woman without the man in the Lord. Men and women are equal before the Lord in glory and divinity.
The fact that you asked that means you know nothing of the priesthood and are of the devil. The doctrine of the priesthood will forever be out of your understanding.
@@reaper3516 i bet i know more than you do, and you're just drowning in sexism and hypocrisy. you can say i don't understand all you want, but by your religion's own standard, it fails and is of the devil. it only cares about the men. at least you can argue that you have company with the other bigoted fundamentalist cults.
I am a man. I grew up in the church. I was taught that in the celestial kingdom that there would be polygamy. So in the best place to be for eternity, many more women qualify. That seems unequal towards men. create a gender who fails to get the highest eternal happiness than another gender seems inherently unfair. The Mormon God obviously favors women.
@@chlyri Polygamy in the celestial kingdom and the need to be married in the celestial kingdom means necessarily that the celestial kingdom has more women than men. So if the celestial kingdom has more women than men, and righteousness is necessary to get into the celestial kingdom, then women on average are more righteous.
Yes you do have value . But it also depends on the value you give and wanna take . Man & Woman equality is rooted in their different strengths and roles . If you wanna change that think about finding a job as a bricklayer, or competing with a man transitioned as woman in boxing. That might sort out one or two doubts
Hey genuinely what are you fucking talking about The two genders, trans boxer as described by ignorant stranger, and bricklayer. The Bible said Mason and Jess
We have redefined all of the isms to a point that everyone is confused. Being great in your sphere is where happiness and fulfillment lie. You can't throw up the ball for tipoff in your son's basketball game either. Structures that give us so much need some rules, or they cease to exist.
men have some roles just for them and so do women. If we mixed them all up / shared them the church would look like a Mardi gras. I like how everything looks and feels ordered.
It’s so sweet of you to use a comment to show how misogynistic the church is. Such a good example of not questioning or acknowledging the humanity of those with XX chromosomes.
If another decision was made earlier in the church that changed how something was ordered you wouldn’t even notice, it would be normal to you. Don’t let the status quo hurt people just because we’re used to an arbitrary cultural rule
Why did God create. A man and A woman . because we have different purposes - you are not a man and he is not a woman / mother ... You seem to not respect or honor your husband. I'm sure you love the respect you receive as the mother.
Who says she had to be a mother? Gotta love how Mormons are like “me and women have different roles, but all the roles of power and authority and decision making and vantage and non-servitude all belong to men and women have to just do everything men tell them with zero control over their lives”. Pathetic
I see your view however she felt personally attacked when she seemed to have questioned why she couldn't. There is nothing bad in questioning to understand something. Being personally attacked for her wanting to participate. How's that one to not respect or honor her husband? When just simply questioning to understand something?
@@sherahadams900 Women are so obviously treated as second-class citizens in the Mormon church. I can't believe people (especially women) are actually defending it. And I can easily answer that first question... So that we can reproduce. But that doesn't completely define who we are. Why can't girls pass the sacrament? Or have the priesthood? Or be the Prophet? Or have more than 1 hubby? According to Brenda, a woman's purpose is to accept the fact that she is "less than" and do whatever the high and mighty men tell them to do. I have to call BS on that one!
women are disrespected innately in the church. it's not up to you to determine how she respects her husband just by questioning why she can't hold her baby during an important moment.
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I don’t know if John will ever respond to me but I’m gonna keep on emailing him until he does. I want to be on Mormon stories podcast!!
"treated"
“I want to hold my newborn baby during this (supposedly) pivotal moment.”
“cLeRLy yOu HaTE mOtHeRhOoD.”
SO UGLEE!!! You must be deeply wounded people driven by a want to hurt others.
Make it make senseee
There is no rule or law saying a women can't hold her baby during a religious blessing. This is complete nonsense. Saying that it happened doesn't make it true.
My wife held all of our kids when i gave each one a blessing.
It’s called gaslighting….. call it what it is
Yes and Yes
brainwashing
"Please treat me with dignity." - "How dare you?"
This was one of my shelf breakers, too. I sat in the temple and the sexism there was so blatant. I wanted so badly to believe in the church but I just couldn't understand a sexist God.
The Mormon cult isn’t just sexist, it’s prejudice in everyway, shape and form. And that’s what I’m gonna expose to the world when I become an activist against it
Same babe same
I went to the temple because I love my God. I love and feel that. I love temples.I felt sorry for you
@@KB-ec3iy
Yes you love YOUR god, not THE God from the Bible. Because the real God doesn’t dwell in temples (Acts 7:48 and Acts 17:24)
You love your man made Masonic temples because you really don’t love God. We’re sorry you’re fooled by a false religion
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and where are all the polygamous families with one woman and several men ?
Those who have been indoctrinated will always feel justified in their attack on your disbelief. They will shame you for having thoughts contrary to the group. It has always fascinated me that those who claim to be the most righteous will be the first to pass judgement.
The son of god the father says
There will be many to claim that they are from and for him
And yet they are not
@@mustanggenerations691you have no ground to stand on. some people do let others do their thinking for them after they leave the church because of the conditioning, but it's not a requirement that they do.
Exactly my problem with most branches of Judeo-Christian faith: Patriarchal superiority. And please note, it's so pervasive that this computer program automatically capitalized those terms above. Institutional sexism.
What does my computer do if I type in matriarchal vs patriarchal authority? Well, as you see above it only capitalized the I. And the first letter of a new sentence. If I spell patriarch with a capital p, like this, Patriarch, then it will eventually learn from YOUR input to follow your lead...
If the thing you are going to for guidance and salvation makes you feel less than, why keep trying to be a part of it especially when you realize it is doctrinal not just cultural?
Your waking up lady🎉
My parents were Baha’i. They truly do believe in equality. I am grateful for that good belief…..there are lots good things they taught, and I do believe I am a better person for it. The biggest thing that religion gave me though….after I researched ALL of them….is that I really do get to choose what I believe. I do not call myself any religion….I am free….I am equal. 💙🙏🏼
I'm so glad you left this comment and I came across it. There's a Baha'i Faith sign on the corner house in the town I live in and I've been curious about what it meant. Your comment reminded me to go look at it.
I feel very aligned to this belief system - after growing up LDS. Thank you from a grateful heart ❤️
The number one reason that Utah is ranked last in gender equality is because they rank and weight heavily based on women that take jobs. So if you're a stay-at-home mom they rank it low. Like it's a bad thing! The best job in the world and it's ranked as the worst.
it's the best... to some. it's the worst to others. women are often pressured by religion to stay home and uphold those gender roles, which is why it's indicative of inequality. it also puts women in a position where they can't leave.
no matter how much you believe in the role of stay at home mothers, it is based in inequality.
cope harder
Finally someone used facts not feelings on women getting jobs and women staying at home.
Why women want to be equal with men? women are superior in many things, do women want to be dumb like some men are?
@@walorell2058women want the same opportunities. it has nothing to do with superiority to men.
Lady, I feel your pain. You are the mom, you call the shots, never let anyone tell you differently. Many out here support you! 🤗😇❤️.
Well I want to be best friends! I think you are amazing and amazing example to women and young women and even young boys/men!! I always tell my son that a woman can do any job a man can. I think he sees it. But I show when I can.
I felt the same way at my sons blessing! Like “I did the hard work..what do I get from it?”
And even if I hadn’t carried and birthed him, I feel the female role should be in there!
Maybe this is a chance for change! Watch for it! Next thing you know, it will be here!
It’s because thats all the value they see in you, nothing else
Their reactions to your questioning just validates your thoughts. In other words sometimes being attacked shows that you are right.
That is bullcrap. I held both my babies during their blessing.
as they were being blessed? then you're a rare one. you're not supposed to.
The funny thing is now (in the LDS Church) Women are treated as not only being equals (but often even put on a pedestal, and then to the detriment of men) Often the men are put down (inside the church), told they aren't as "good" or not as faithful as women and are bad. I myself have repeatedly heard this time in time (not just members, but actual bishop, teachers, leaders etc). The Church (especially) know bends over backwards to make the women feel good about themselves (Even changed the temple ceremonies). Plus the LDS church is the only church that says women can be "goddesses" (So I would think that aspect is an amazing for Women). So Im sorry this sister felt wronged sometimes growing up (maybe the outside made her feel that way - that women in the church didn't have it good, etc - or need more) So I don't doubt everything she says, as I'm all about improvement and doing better. However try being a man now days! Thats who is primarily is attacked. And this thought or teaching id definitely not consistent with the Proclamation to the Family. Honestly I think this is not the real doctrine but more "culture" and pandering to one gender group in order to appease, or not loose membership, etc. So I'm not opposed to making even a particular group feel special, but not at the "expense" of another (which is a "zero sum game"). When one person said one-time in leadership : men 9/10 are worse than women, etc. So I feel bad for the good men in the church (many have been abused verbally, or in other ways) by women etc - when the church may sometimes turn a blind eye to these (abusers, trends or actions) just because they are not men. No wonder men feel they are being attacked (outside the church) and sometimes (ignored) inside the church. Anyway food for thought and God Bless :)
It's called "benevolent sexism" when you pretend to hold women in high regard, but still give men authority, prestige, privilege and power. Women are never in critical leadership roles. They are "auxiliaries" (i.e. non-essential) by the Church's own admission.
The Church still heavily pins women down as being created for marriage and children and discourages women from pursuing fulfilling lives outside of home & family. I sincerely regret the wasted time & opportunities lost by letting uninspired men tell me how to live my life.
I'm happy I left.
I was a missionary in a Spanish branch where they were open about praising mothers. They essentially said that the church was there to help the men become more productive members of society and their families like mothers are naturally.
Same reason my mother left. Sexism.
I held my child during his blessing.
good for you. you shouldn't have, according to the church.
Women have Never been treated as equal to a man in the Mormon cult.
The man can’t be exalted without the woman and the woman can’t exalted without the man. Salvation is a an individual matter and exaltation is a family matter.
It's amazing how many people here in the comments don't actually know what they are talking about. Please understand before you are trying to be understood. The amount of misconception here is crazy.
elaborate.
Could you please elaborate? Otherwise we are not going to be able to understand what you are talking about.
I've never felt like I wasn't equal to a man in the church .
despite being unable to hold the priesthood?
I get what you are saying but would like to add that I don't feel equal and I don't want to feel "equal." God knows each of his children. I get what I need spiritually and do my best to share with others. I know my purpose and have a relationship with God. I do my best to serve him both within the "church" and out.
@@jenniferowen1181 if you're okay with it, fine, but it's still wrong.
Are you a man?
She is exactly correct
I’m not trying to one up anything, but this is something I really respect about the Catholic Church is that it’s empathized how important the role of both parents are and the role of the mother. I’ve personally never seen or experienced any belittling of parental roles or anything. I also respect how when a question is asked why something is the way it is, it’s not brushed off but given a direct answer with a legitimate logical reason. Not just oh God made it that way so just accept it.
LoL That was some serious indoctrination you just spewed. Funny, my Muslim friends say the same and yet none of you can see that. All religions can’t be right, but they can all be wrong.
The catholic church still has a long way to go, allowing priests to marry and ordaining women should be on the agenda. Raised Catholic here...
The Catholic Church has no logic behind it as they pay to a bunch of different people. Let's take Mary the mother of Jesus for example. They pay to marry, and yet she did not die for our sins. She did not create the universe or the world we live on. She could not, of her own power, do anything any other woman on earth can do, even though she was an extremely righteous woman, seeing as she was chosen of God to be the mother of our Savior.
The Catholic Church has also covered up the rape and even murder of children for centuries and concerned the homosexuality of their priest, all why claiming not to condone it.
@@thenaturalmidsouth9536 , agree God said to Adam and even to multiply by bringing children into the world . I'm not a Catholic and I'm not trying to condemn anyone who is , but I don't understand why priests and Nuns cannot be Married ?
GOD SAID MULTIPLY AND REPLENISH THE EARTH, catholic priest cannot marry, , not by choice but because they are told not to
45 years of marriage later I realize how sad it is to was mother pass her baby to the front of the Chapel with little or no recognition of the danger and sacrifices she has put herself through so that a bunch of backslapping bros can officially a child like kunta kinte. At the very least Mother’s should be holding the baby! Otherwise keep it in the family and do it at home. ,And please don’t expect my to believe that handing me a flower or a chocolate bar on Mother’s day is supposed to be a proper recognition! Most men I know these days don’t truly honor or even understand the humility that comes with their priesthood anyway so why does this circus show continue? I vote for raising the priest age to 16 or 18 and just blessing it buy the elders and having both genders pass it out to the multitude of parishioners that are not worthy take it but are to embarrassed to not! I think my shelf is broke😢😮
Many bishops have the mother stand and be honored when a baby is blessed. This isn't a personal attack. I just see things differently than you.
@@joybischoff9558not enough. it should be a standard practice so that everyone sees it happen. and women should be able to bless their children.
@@chlyri No, women should not be able to bless their children. We read in Alma 42 that God will cease to be God if He didn't follow the eternal laws. There is a perfect scientific and legal pattern upon which the order and function of the cosmos is organized and runs.
This specific creation is the footstool of the Lord. A specific pattern had to play out here in order to complete the universal pattern successfully.
Eve did the courageous thing to put things in motion. The consequences of negativity toward women will be laid at the doorstep of men who have been cruel. The sufferings of women who have to deal with this chauvinism will be more than made up in the eternities. We understood the bigger picture and excitedly agreed to our part in the plan. The honor and blessings for those on this specific footstool, who are obedient to the laws of the Lord will be astonishingly worth it.
Women, if sanctified, will be high priestesses and Queens in the eternities, equal in power and authority with their husbands. The reasons for the challenging role of this footstool earth are layered. I give Firesides on this subject but it is way too long for social media and frankly, too sacred to share in this setting.
Please try to understand that we are being tested to see if we have faith to follow the Lord once we have received the witness from the Spirit that the Church is true. That is what it all comes down to. We're not a social club, this is the true Church of Jesus Christ.
A lot of the comments here are based on old stereotypes that are falling away and that not every member in the past adhered to anyways.
I'm really sorry that you feel this way, it must be so hard to not know the answers to things as important and confusing as this situation.
she's right to feel this way. women deserve to have the same opportunities.
@@chlyri opportunities are not the same thing as responsibilities, much like the u.s. government and how they work
Shhhhhh. The men are speaking. 😂😂😂 kidding.
Just pass the Legos! We can speak about this near the swings before our parents pick us up after school. Sheesh what a preschooler.
@@christton6876 my comment was sarcasm agreeing with how women in the Mormon church are not treated equal.
@@Sheepdog6451 my response was learning how young we are in the eyes of an omnipotent. 🌾
LOL 😅
Yes, he's joking and it's pretty funny 😁
It's so sad that Mirmons seem to be among the most judgemental people. I've especially noticed it since I left the church.
If this woman ever got exalted to Goddess status, I'd worship her in a heartbeat!
Just take responsibility for being a horny adult without bothering this human being speaking about her faith crisis.
Goddess p0rn is a click away. From this video. On a new tab.
Love this!! ❤
Simp
The father God says where your heart is so will your treasures be
Another lapdog. Cringe 😬 🤮 women don’t respect simps.
Here is a question you should ask them. Why is it that in the church, when Joseph Smith was alive, that woman could give blessings. Truth, the church has been modified by the brothers ( not by God) to enforce male dominance (thank you, brother Brigham). Here's truths. Why is it that the decentance of Arron could be the Bishop without the priesthood. Why was it that Josheph Smith translated the Book of Mormon without the priesthood. Last one Why are most Mormons like sheep.
As a widowed woman I have been told time and time again that I have no value because there is no priesthood in my house. Yet the Holy Bible says to care for the widows. In the Book of Mormon index if you look up widow or widowhood it also tells you to look under Needy; Orphan.
And I am less than because my family has no long standing ties to the church that they are aware of and it’s because I don’t mention that they do. I don’t attend because God and I have a different relationship than I have with the church. I believe God’s Word not false doctrine.
It’s a bloody cult
What isn't nowdays😢
YES THANK YOU
Definitely 💯 That's why I had my name taken off the LDS membership. LDS teaching has NOTHING to do with Christianity or True Salvation.
The Scientology of the mid 1800's.
@@christinaleslie8526 I love meeting other Exmormons, do you have a Facebook page?
Her value as a mother or how well she is a mother has nothing to do with wanting to participate in her baby's blessing. Dont let them bring you down sweetie!
it does have to do with her value as a person in the church.
Why would we, subject to only ourselves to male or female, ply ourselves random and pay attention to a religious authority?
there is no such thing as sex or gender 👍
You will always find what you are looking for!
all of the comments that disagree with these videos always happen to be at the bottom
You do not need to stand in a circle of a baby blessing..it is a Priesthood ordinance
.our motherhood is not questioned.
Why can't a woman be one if the priests? Oh yeah, reasons....
whether or not you need to, it's sexist to refuse women that opportunity.
I'm sorry..I do not agree..but blessings
@@beckytobler1639 then you're wrong. it's sexist by definition.
No it is not..I am not here to argue..I have been a member for 60 years...endowed for 48..no sexism..a matter of the mind
It’s sad that no women are not held on the same status as men. Give women more leadership callings, allow women to do religious services. Allow women to serve in area 70, allow them to serve in bishop roles, then women status will be the same.
Women don't need to hold the priesthood. They are equal, but with different duties. Always certain types of individuals who feel the need to complain. Satan started with Eve and he's still manipulating women.
it's not equal if we can't do the same things. not that hard of a concept to grasp.
@@chlyri If you don't like it, take it up with God. Otherwise, keep following the devil.
Here’s what I don’t get, it’s a tradition to do it the way it has been done. No one’s required to do a baby blessing for a new born. Why does she want to be special? Like I don’t understand why challenge the tradition? Who cares?
because it's sexist and we're in an was where women want equal opportunities.
Just like in Christ day we see the culture is the issue not the docterine of Christ. If you understand the Temple Endowment than you know Women share the Preisthood. When I leave the house for work my Wife is the decision maker, leads the prayers, and leads the family til I return. I think we misunderstand that there is the Atonement and it applies to everyone no matter what Gender. The Adversary likes to divide because it halts Christ Work and makes us miserable unto himself.
but women can't give blessings, and they will never be equal with men in the leadership. the culture stems from the doctrine, they aren't independent.
It's a cult. I used to live among you. Get away however you can.
What LDS church treats you like is about opposite as the REAL Jesus of the Bible treats you
Get to know Him (no religion, just relationship )
Yeah, you could be a sex slave.
This is why I don't like the selfish POV in the evangelical church. It's all "about ME and MY relationship" with a deity. Instead of how you relate to your fellow human beings. This is why Judaism is better. I don't give a sht what you believe, I only care how you behave.
That's not even true everyone is treated the same. I'm talking about in the work price. I'm a ex Mormon women are treated differently they need to be treated equally because God has created
women are not treated the same. simple fact.
🌾✨🌂 What is the purpose of woman? Here me when I explain the female gender's worth. Woman have no value men value is priceless, hence men becoming so sensitive they believe they are made to be a female. Religions hold the woman as sacred, BECOME the greater being you are made to be. God created woman for man to have a flesh to flesh connection of giving God the image of the KIND of love, with choice, to honor God first ALWAYS but to be fruitful of righteousness for eternity. God>Woman=man
Women become better NO MORE LIES,
the cattles are drained, train with the lifestock to defeat the wildlife.
Men become vigilant with a purpose WINNING IS CONTAGIOUS,
never becomes easier only simple communication to operate while losing.
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then god needs to give women equal authority.
I’m interested in examples you have of this other then the baby thing. Like don’t just whine give me some details so I can believe you.
I’m not Mormon. And I’ve never been Mormon. I have a lot of Mormon family members and I live in Salt Lake. When I look at the Mormon church as an objective outsider, I see all the same signs as a cult. Please think about this. And the same can be said for any religion. I read a quote that said you should be like an atheist. Because they are not like a religious person who has a god standing over them forcing them to be good. If they are good, it’s because they are good.
Yes! It is even in the Bible that if you follow all of God's laws even if you aren't in the church you have the laws in your heart and God is pleased by this. But I have yet to meet a single person that hasn't actually broken any of God's laws in their lifetime. With that said. The church has failed many people. In the name of God many people have been hurt, humiliated and even raped. That is why God is now raising people from the satanic church, saving them, cleansing them, and raising them as leaders instead.
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Feeling 'less-than' is cultural more than doctrinal. I get it on a certain level but, its an inaccurate perception plaguing younger women these days. The belief system of inequality and feminism is a social construct: a religion that doesn't value anything you love beyond anything else. Its trading down when you're so much more than equal!
No one determines your worth but you and when you know yourself, you'll know how empowered you are. Nobody will be able to tell you otherwise. Whatever your desired destination, or standard of living, becoming an actualized, fulfilled being as all God created you to become. The church's encouragement can feel like criticism, especially for young Moms. It isn't. There are so many enticing arguments and so many are loosing this struggle. It isn't easy or even clear sometimes.... no TRADES or SHORTCUTS on the journey of finding your very own, perfectly divine Self
the "less than" culture stems from the doctrine. if a woman cannot hold the same authority as a man, she is viewed as less than. it's that simple.
Next time snow needs shoveling or heavy furniture needs moving they should call the relief society.
Also: adult braces.
they can call the relief society, that's just not who they're taught to call first.
lol!! Not a chance
Sad
Your argument is about how the father holds the child, and male relatives stand around him while he, the father gives a blessing asking God to help their child throughout their life and because you don’t stand there for that 5 minutes, that makes you beneath him or unequal? You gave birth to the baby, you knew the baby better than it’s father did before it was born. My husband was jealous I got to have that and he didn’t. That’s not unequal. Men & women are different. We have different roles. Just because a man has something or a woman has something doesn’t make it unequal for the opposite sex. Why aren’t you concerned about the fact your husband can’t lay beside you and give birth too? Or breastfeed? Is it inequality when female officers are used in domestic violence situations? Females are generally better at diffusing a situation than men are, Is that inequality because female officers are better at domestic situations? You chose your words to gather the most sympathy & impact without giving the entirety of the story. This channel has nothing to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ. It’s here only to make money, and we all know the best way to make money is to gaslight people with lies. If everyone found out for themselves whenever their told something, channels like yours would have no views. Women of God are the strongest women you will ever meet.
Well said. It's hard to comment against people that are fueled with emotion and "passion". Understanding is found slowly, through desire and action, with meekness. Anyone looking here for it will likely be mistaken.
women are still refused the authority and opportunity to bless their children. you can’t claim equality in value no matter how much you argue. men are viewed as superior becauae it's a patriarchal religion.
I'm always stunned how women of the LDS church don't know that their being treated as chattel. They LITERALLY make women broodmares the second they tie the knot. They expect women to just stay home and raise a dozen kids, cook, clean, etc without complaint and service their husband no matter how tired they are or content. I have an older brother and sister in the LDS church and I was forced to be baptized in the church and they absolutely give me chills! Women aren't equal in their faith at all. They actually have no idea the true meaning behind the story in the Bible of Adam and Eve. The men of the LDS faith are completely mysoganistic! ❤
Let’s also add that those stress factors you mentioned above is exactly why Utah has the highest number of people prescribed to antidepressants at a rate of nearly TWICE the national average! It is also the elder’s & the higher up’s throught the church & in every one of their churches, these men are practically making these women “impove themselves” by making them get on antidepressants & change all their way’s & be uterly miserable & endure untill the end & the more they endure the better because in heaven their rewards will be so much greater. Meanwhile this old white men’s group they call a church is only for their benefit & pleasure & fun & that was exactly what it was designed to be! When all of the women stop letting themselves be fooled & they stop going completely & they put a foot down & put space inbetween them & those sick people then they will have no church & they will be miserable instead of the women who are being abused by the church, the system & even that state because the church runs it & if people don’t think they do then they are not paying attention.
My first husband thought he owned me since we got married in the temple.
@@suzyvivian7514 Thats awful! But not suprising when they teach girls to "keep sweet and do as theyre told" and boys are treated like kings taught to rule over their wivese. I cant stand any religion that treats women like chattel. I hope you were able to free yourself from his mysoganstic stronghold and know that you are beautiful capable and stronger than his fear of you. May the peace of the lord bless you and keep you and guide you toward a life of unending success and joy.❤️
All the comments here are based on old, outdated stereotypes.
My wife has a mind of her own!! My wife can get a job if she wants to! My wife takes a shower whenever she wants to go to movies, sleep , I don't tell her what to do , I dont know where you get that from that lds women are slaves to their husbands
Ladies, you are always valued and appreciated. We men despite our own mistakes wouldn't be here without any of you. You women give LIFE. My mom gave me life, that's why I don't get why women have to feel they are oppressed. All of you are beautiful in your own way and as man thank you for bringing the Son of God here. Mary was made holy, there are plenty of strong, wise and wonderful women out there making an impact. I love you girls. Us men we need you just as much as feminism would hate to admit but we need each other at the end of it all. ❤
Mary was raped. She did not ask to give birth and she was at most 14 years old. She was a child.
@@deebee2603 women getting equality makes men think they are losing theirs! So fragile they are.
Eiw. You make me cringe with your speech like I’m having a secondhand embarrassment. I’m a woman and I can tell you 100% that women don’t respect simps. But it’s okay, they love lapdogs.
you can claim that women are loved all you want, but it’s not equal until women are recognized as having the authority to bless their own sick child.
Yes, We women are very treated well and equally , specially in LDS Church. Yup... ❤
How can you be treated equally, if you're not the same as a man? You think differently, you feel differently, you act differently, you have different priorities and values, and you're physiologically dimorphic...what made you think you'd be entitled to be treated as a man when you are anything but?
Giving you sad, irrational, entitled little creatures was our forefathers' gravest mistake...and both genders are paying for it. Poor thing.
and here we have a chief example of a cult mindset. we can still be given the same opportunities, even if we think differently. that's not irrational entitlement, and calling us "things" doesn't make you or the church look good.
@@chlyri
Does your man know you're browsing the web and getting into spouts with your betters, little girl?
Equal does not mean you do the same thing. The left side cannot be on the right side. A scale has two sides one for what is to be weighed the other is counter weight. This is balanced.
Pathetic...😂
Except it isn’t balanced. Hence why Utah ranks the lowest in equality. You can’t give one person a sword and the other a sewing kit and say they’re equal in power.
Balanced...according to a man? And only when women speak up, who feel otherwise?
Very well said. Even the guru sadahguru was talking about this. Hence why they bring two hands together in prayer position and placed by the heart representing right and left combining together.
That sounds like a fluffy indirect mansplained answer
You have decided to "wake up" by falling in a deep sleep.
Walking in darkness at noonday.
Sadly, Satan is smiling at all the comments here. You've truly woken up.
The temple doctrines will always allude those of the carnal mind, yet it does allow you to see whatever you want to see.
Man is not without the woman and neither is the woman without the man in the Lord.
Men and women are equal before the Lord in glory and divinity.
then give women the priesthood.
The fact that you asked that means you know nothing of the priesthood and are of the devil.
The doctrine of the priesthood will forever be out of your understanding.
@@reaper3516 i bet i know more than you do, and you're just drowning in sexism and hypocrisy. you can say i don't understand all you want, but by your religion's own standard, it fails and is of the devil. it only cares about the men. at least you can argue that you have company with the other bigoted fundamentalist cults.
I am a man. I grew up in the church. I was taught that in the celestial kingdom that there would be polygamy. So in the best place to be for eternity, many more women qualify. That seems unequal towards men. create a gender who fails to get the highest eternal happiness than another gender seems inherently unfair. The Mormon God obviously favors women.
um.. no. that's heavily false.
@@chlyri Give me your evidence that the church doesn't have polygamy in the celestial kingdom?
@@chlyri Polygamy in the celestial kingdom and the need to be married in the celestial kingdom means necessarily that the celestial kingdom has more women than men. So if the celestial kingdom has more women than men, and righteousness is necessary to get into the celestial kingdom, then women on average are more righteous.
Yes you do have value . But it also depends on the value you give and wanna take . Man & Woman equality is rooted in their different strengths and roles . If you wanna change that think about finding a job as a bricklayer, or competing with a man transitioned as woman in boxing. That might sort out one or two doubts
Hey genuinely what are you fucking talking about
The two genders, trans boxer as described by ignorant stranger, and bricklayer.
The Bible said Mason and Jess
Lol... pathetic response
And what if she decided to be a bricklayer? What on earth would be wrong with that?
Uhhhhh
there isn’t equal value if there isn’t equal authority. men are granted authority that women are supposedly never going to have. that is inequality.
The sexes are not equal, the sooner you realize it, the better for you. Doesnt mean one is better than other, just makes them how God made them.
except men are treated as the better sex.
We have redefined all of the isms to a point that everyone is confused. Being great in your sphere is where happiness and fulfillment lie.
You can't throw up the ball for tipoff in your son's basketball game either.
Structures that give us so much need some rules, or they cease to exist.
It’s not about absence of structure, it’s the type of structure. And this structure favors men
you can't throw up the ball for tip off in your son's basketball game either.
how the hell is that relevant?
men have some roles just for them and so do women. If we mixed them all up / shared them the church would look like a Mardi gras. I like how everything looks and feels ordered.
It’s so sweet of you to use a comment to show how misogynistic the church is. Such a good example of not questioning or acknowledging the humanity of those with XX chromosomes.
A mom holding her own baby during a ceremony is like Mardi gras? It’s her baby! If anyone should be holding the baby, it’s her.
If another decision was made earlier in the church that changed how something was ordered you wouldn’t even notice, it would be normal to you. Don’t let the status quo hurt people just because we’re used to an arbitrary cultural rule
@@mustanggenerations691 the mother is the one who did the hard work carrying the baby for 9 months and then birthing it. Funny how you forget that.
@@mustanggenerations691 She did the VAST majority of the work, and quite literally grew that baby. Funny how you forget that.
Why did God create. A man and A woman . because we have different purposes - you are not a man and he is not a woman / mother ... You seem to not respect or honor your husband. I'm sure you love the respect you receive as the mother.
Who says she had to be a mother? Gotta love how Mormons are like “me and women have different roles, but all the roles of power and authority and decision making and vantage and non-servitude all belong to men and women have to just do everything men tell them with zero control over their lives”. Pathetic
I see your view however she felt personally attacked when she seemed to have questioned why she couldn't. There is nothing bad in questioning to understand something. Being personally attacked for her wanting to participate. How's that one to not respect or honor her husband? When just simply questioning to understand something?
@@sherahadams900 Women are so obviously treated as second-class citizens in the Mormon church. I can't believe people (especially women) are actually defending it. And I can easily answer that first question... So that we can reproduce. But that doesn't completely define who we are. Why can't girls pass the sacrament? Or have the priesthood? Or be the Prophet? Or have more than 1 hubby? According to Brenda, a woman's purpose is to accept the fact that she is "less than" and do whatever the high and mighty men tell them to do. I have to call BS on that one!
women are disrespected innately in the church. it's not up to you to determine how she respects her husband just by questioning why she can't hold her baby during an important moment.
Change vurches