Grandmaster Caz: Gangsta Rap Was Detrimental to Hip-Hop Culture
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- www.vladtv.com - As one of the pioneers of Hip-Hop, Grandmaster Caz has seen a massive shift in the culture since its inception, and he took a moment to focus on the gangsta rap movement during the '90s.
The New York emcee explained that he saw a detrimental impact on the culture when gangsta rap was on the rise, because it killed out all of the conscious rappers at the time. Grandmaster Caz then gave props to N.W.A., and shared that Eazy-E used to come to a Zulu Nation club in L.A., but the East Coast legend stuck by his thoughts on the negative impact he feels their group and others had on the Hip-Hop culture.
Check out more of what Grandmaster Caz had to say in the above clip.
I am 53 and was a professional hip hop club dj during the 80's-2000. When Gangster rap came on the scene it changed the whole vibe in the club. No longer was the club a place to have fun and party but now it was a place for gangsters and the hood to shine also.
Look what ganster rap did to Tupac Shakur, my all time favorite artist. They brain washed that kid, yes i say kid because pac died at 25 and im 35 so pac is a kid to me. Tupac was very special, anything he would have done would have been great. He could have done so much for the black community and America in general. But gang culture took over and brain washed him pac didnt come from that life, he was an artist. He went to the school for preforming artist in Baltimore when he was a teen, go watch old videos of him he was a normal kid. Its so sad everyone we have lost over this.
@@davekendall1139 it really is a shame
@@davekendall1139 i think it's all just a symptom of general cultural decline, it didn't just happen to hip hop, it happened to punk rock which became puerile and effeminate, it happened to modern art which became meaningless and required no skill, it happened to banking which become corrupt and exploitative, it happened to news media which became sensational and overly biased, it happened to academic culture which became ideological and hysterical. Cultures always enter a decline, there are many theories why, quite a compelling one is that there is something about restricting sex before marriage which gives a culture energy and discipline, then this rule is broken because fuck that and then the culture loses its discipline and degenerates again.
@@lmn6440 i agree its very complicated, and complex, and everyone is going to have a different opinion why its happening. Its speculation, my opinion is fatherless holmes lead to boys being raised by women, and a women cannot raise a male child properly without the father showing the child how to be a man. So what happens is the little boys start acting like and resembling their mothers. Hiphop has became feminized because of this
@@davekendall1139 There is some truth in that but the demasculinisation of society has happened at all levels to the extent that even men who are raised in nuclear families are not encouraged to be men
More people need to watch this interview. It's still current - the foolish "street thug" mentality in life and culture destroys everything, including music.
Yes well it's been going on for centuries
I do remember back in the 90's feeling like gangster rap being too popular and overplayed. I live in VA and remember the music influencing guys to act like they lived in those neighborhoods in California. People never acted like that around here before the gangster rap fade. It was ridiculous.
I've been trying to verbalize this for almost 20 years, but this Hip-Hop Elder puts it so eloquently and mirrors my thoughts on the topic perfectly.
I truly believe the music industry consciously (no pun intended) shift away from positive, culture-building Hip-Hop to negative, culture-destroying Hip-Hop. "The Man" recognized the power Hip-Hop had to unify, uplift and guide not just black people, but people all over the world and wanted to not kill it, but use it as THEIR tool to oppress and divide. Mission accomplished.
Aaron Starks I believe it was more so a quick money grab....when you compare the money and sells that NWA was bringing in compared to non-gangster rap at the time.....that pretty much gave them to push that type of music regardless of the social consequences....this is why from 1991-1994 the West Coast rose to dominance the industry wanted to exploit that imagery until they couldnt do it any longer.
Exactly. AND, today's youth aren't smart enough to realize it. And have no father's in the home to combat it.
Supreme5panel Also when your vibe is the total opposite of GOD,then satan rewards you for that....The ruler of these industries governments and businesses is satan...Satan even offered jesus all the kingdoms of the earth if he would do one act of worship....Thats what gangsta rap was a act of worship to satan and what did they receive,riches,bitches,cars,fame,they sold their soul....
the industry didnt believe in gansgsta rap in the first place. they hated it. it took them years to realize they could make money off it. these are the same guys who put out the old rap artists. its called making me money.
I totally agree!! What do you think hip hop has to do to get back to its glory days?? Or maybe its a lost cause and theirs nothing people can do to change the structure of Hip-Hop
Its even worst today, there are only a handful of socially aware rappers spitting at a mainstream level. If.you do your research, you'd find that there was enough of them to have their own subgenre in hip-hop.
They shouldn't have a sub genre when they're the originators of this shit.
that sub genre would be called "Underground Hip hop"
How are you to relate to a black amd Brown community thats full of gangsters and kids who are influenced incultured tp it. No teen wants to hear conscience rap gtfouh.
The sub genre is called conscious, so people like De La, Tribe, Joey Bada$$, Brand Nubian, Kendrick, J Cole etc.
That's way they downplay Nas whole career
Gangster rap wasn't just a detriment to Hip-hop, it was a detriment to our society as a whole. Music can be very influential, especially for individuals seeking clarity in who they are. People will gravitate toward anything that follows popular opinion in order to fit in with their peers. Trends basically determine how people carry themselves for the period of time that trend is popular. This reaction to a trend effects a person's personality, how they respond to situations, how the dress, the way that they talk, etc. Gangster rap created the "real nigga" generation of urban youth. The lyrics portrayed in rap music then and since then has greatly influenced urban culture and how the people within that culture interact with each other. For example, being violent and confrontational is supposed to portray mental strength in a person, according to the current standard in urban culture. This is one of the many misconceptions brought upon by the bad messages conveyed in rap music. Being belligerent and argumentative doesn't have anything to do with mental strength, in fact the former only suggests the total opposite. The real problem lies in the black household, there just aren't enough positive influences.
SHEERCUT
You summed that up perfectly. 👏
Tupac was black jesus.
Combat Bananas wtf you talking about white boy gtfouh
NO FATHERS NY RAPPERS SOLD OUT FOR MONEY EVEN RUN DMC WENT HARD FOR THE MONEY.TUPAC DID HELP HURT TOO ECT ECT
Very Convenient,So West Coast Artist Were Not Supposed To Be Able To Tell Our Stories????
I've always said this, much respect to Caz. People keep saying the 90s was the Golden era of hip-hop, but they weren't there. Especially if you weren't there in the real golden era of the late 80s. NWA was cool as one group out of a variety of artists. The day in '89 when I saw Eazy-E running from cops at the beginning of the "We Want Eazy" video I knew I didn't like the direction this was going in. I knew kids were going to think it was cool. By the 90s the big labels were investing in hip-hop and wanted to copy what was popular. By the time NWA dropped Niggaz4life in late '91 I saw it was a wrap. By '92 hip-hop went into a slump of killing, shooting, and smoking blunts just to sell records. Through it all you still had great classic music that continued the tradition, especially in the underground, but hip-hop had been poisoned.
The golden era of Rap music is the late 70's/early 80's
@@generationxer8153 I believe the 70s era was a unique time in itself when it was developing on the streets. Golden era referring to a rare time when quality, quantity, creativity & innovation is at a peak. Why do you think those times was the golden era?
You've nailed it, man, that's totally true!
@Adrián DeRose-Flores I agree with that.
Y’all was smoking crack in the 80s
How can you mention 80s rap without the R? Rakim
You can't mention rap period with Rakim bruh!
ron-e manson Idk how the hell he didn't say Rakim I'm shocked
It's just at tha moment, if he would of mentioned all tha greats he would of been there all day lol
Yeah I agree the gangster rap stuff is slowly killing hip hop. No soul or character in artists anymore, just simple minded negative characters.
gangster rap is by far the best thing that happened to hip hop
Mr X are u stupid or are u a fool
You are ignorant as hell to even typed what you typed..smh..A mind of a lil boy
Ife's Voice did you ever watch jerry springer ??? How did he become a millionaire and stayed on lol cmon gtfouh
gangsta rap is dead. It has been for a long time.
I guess Common was right on the with the song "I used to love H.e.r."
It feels so good to hear someone on the level of Grandmaster Caz say what I have thought and occasionally expressed in conversations over the last 25 years.
SO MANY of us felt this way when the landscape started to change in the early 90s.
...but we vilified our elders like C. DELORES TUCKER who knew it would signal the end of the community.
@@ZEBEEtheoriginal Yes! She was so correct - it has become a massive detriment to our community
@@ZEBEEtheoriginal Thank you!
I agree with Caz. Though I grew up loving gangsta rap back in it's hay day I would say know that I am older and am able to step back and look at and see it for what it really was and most of it was garbage and ruined the culture. It helped perpetuate the stereotype that inner city minorities were thugs, pimps, and gangsters. And it went away from the great lyricism that hip hop should be. And it also ruined a generation of youth by putting the image that being a hoodlum was a thing to aspire to. I will say this though, artists like Dr Dre did expand and enrich the sound of the hip hop genre and took it to a different level.
I am in the same situation as you. I kinda understand the part of liking music for what it is, just the music but a genre like rap/hiphop, punk, metal aren't just like jazz. It is a lifestyle. Gangsta rap might be fun to listen to as a fictional action movie is to watch but it isn't like a movie. This has influenced millions of kids to do these things that they are talking about in their songs.
Im 27 and ive been saying this my whole life. 90s hip hop was not the golden era. Its was the funeral for hip hop.
early 90s were definitely the golden age its when you get to the late 90s early 2000s post tupac and biggie
@@ryanr20091 lyricism only got better and more complex though (with conscious rappers). It just sucks so many new artists don’t do their homework on the roots and pay their respects
@Material Girl You ever heard of tribe called quest dela soul fugees public enemy the roots xclan naught by nature will smith and jazzy jeff kid and play they all were in the 90s .It was actually more positive rap but you wouldn't know that if you weren't a true hip hop head it was way more diverse . yall got to stop looking at a couple examples and look at everything as a whole so yeah i think i made my point
so trap is the new gangster rap in our generation fucking up the base for everyone even in the UK scene. trap got no positivity or humour to it. just a bunch of gassed up people.
Only is you look for it to be more than entertainment.
@@themack74yeah and that’s the point. The shit is aimed at mostly kids who can’t make that distinction. They see these goofballs flaunting money talking about evil, degenerate behavior and translate that into thinking they can get money if they do what they do too. It wouldn’t be a problem if the record labels and rappers didn’t directly target naive kids
@@Nunyabiznessboi excuses. It is not targeting kids. Lack of parenting is the problem
@@themack74 It is targeting kids when you have them going to middle and high schools promoting their degeneracy like Sexyy Red telling young girls it’s ok to have kids out of wedlock. Or Glorilla telling young women to be ratchet and toxic because you only young once. Or when you have the male rappers promoting violence and bragging about unaliving other black males. FOH you the one making excuses dawg. It’s social engineering.
For me, the glory days of hip hop were 85 thru 89. Gangsta rap was the beginning of the end.
Do u think hip hop would've been this influential if it wasn't so controversial everybody got the right to tell there story that's what rap is about expressing your yourself people have the option to not listen to "gangster" aka "reality rap" there's other options
Agreed with you.
True gangsta rap was studio gangstas hip hop was dead then 92 I was like u got to b gang related kill my niggas and call the sistas bitches no respect now look today it getting worse.hip hop is black music ànd make it look destructive u come up u either out for a fast buck
What I've gathered from hip hop purist is that they hate gangsta rap for the simple fact that it changed the originality of the genre from a fun positive atmosphere into a violent one. In the 2000s the fun positive atmosphere made a return in the form of crunk, snap, hyphy, and dance rappers like Soulja boy, New boyz, and Cali Swag but hip hop purist rejected them cause they weren't "lyrical enough" and now cry for the days of 90s g rap. Even Black Eyed Peas were called sellouts for going from conscious to making party rap and in my honest opinion I respect them for the fact that at least their brand of music closely resembled the early 80s fun party type.
@@honestopinion8274 Ikr. There's no Crips & Bloods and Drive by in South Bronx. People have right to tell they're story. They from L.A so they just keep it real.
I love these type of Vlad interviews.
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I can't front, I was obsessed with the gangsta era in hip hop. When that's all yo' father plays, you really can't help it. I had common sense. I listened to it and that was that. I never brought a gun to school or got heavily influenced by it. Some kids just took it way too far and did too much.
@mayankho
EXACTLY........WELL SAID!!! 👍🏾✊🏾
Women don’t typically reframe their entire personality’s to fit the mold of what gangsta rap represents , it’s the guys . Doing a bid is cool. Taking a life is manhood
This is what I have always said. People keep calling the 90s the golden era, but no. 90s had many classic artists, music, and albums. But as an era it was not the golden era, but 87 to 90 was it.
Big facts
Facts I'm 35 years old born in 89 I actually liked the 80s rap and older rap better I respect the 90s though I like 80s and 90s the best but 80s rap is kinda hard to find on RUclips but u just have to type one of those rappers and uou can get them in RUclips music
@@Jac735 if you look up Hiphop albums in 1979 on Wikipedia you will find a list of albums from each year since 1980, for no album was released in 1979.
@nilhav appreciate it mane I like asking the OG's cuz yall know what's really up with hip hop alot if people tend to forget the 80s why cuz it ain't street
Let's just say Common tried to warn us on I Used To Love H.E.R. and nobody cared......
Ron Collier couple cats out west with half a brain peeped it
Revon Walters lmao ok money i feel you b take a hike shorty feel me son. Gtfouh
Revon Walters gangster rap invented mumble rap??? Lmao so when kool moe dee dissed the fuck out of busy bee that wasent gangster rap. Lol it happend twice in a decade when a west coast rapper named tupac destroyed bad boy and piggy smalls In 1996. and then in 2005 when the game destroyed 50 cent and g unit lmao anything else you want to add. Foh
Ice Cube cared.
You mean the puppets didn't care....
Gangsta Rap poisoned Hip-Hop and the genre, as a whole, has never fully recovered.
Sad but true
I completely agree with Grandmaster Caz. . .now, I'll contradict myself, I'm going to go & listen to MC Eiht, Spice-1, South Central Cartel, etc!
That kind of music is only for people with strong minds👍✌
@@stiemestyles6091Exactly!! That's why I can't listen to even though I want to, I know my spirit is not strong enough to handle it yet.
Ur right bro. Spice 1 and eiht were my some of my first rappers. I didn’t get why the east coast was so mad, but the gangster became more important than the art. I’m as guilty as anyone, because it was the gangster I was originally attracted to.
this guy is so knowledgeable got mad respect for Caz he straight up fuckin real
Rappers of those days were social workers too, it was an entire movement
Vlad...have you ever listened to "9mm Goes Bang". KRS never talked about how gangster he was, how much crack he was supposedly selling in any songs. He and artists such as Rakim spun tales of the environment they were from, they did not glorify it like the so-called gangster rappers I'm assuming you grew up listening to. How you can't hear the difference is beyond me. That being said, I enjoy the interviews...well, most of them.
He also said he doesn't battle with rhymes, but with guns. Y'all always try'na defend NYC old school.
Gangsta rap defiantly had negative effects on young males all over the world. I started listening to it in the late 80's and loved the music, but it created a culture of violence all over the world.
Rossboe1 The culture of violence already existed before gangsta rap.
Gang culture alredy existed. thats like saying if black people had no crack epidemic what other genocide project would the white man bring. Lol
It didn't create the violence, it glorified it and made more people want to be thugs or gangsters even people that have nothing to do with that life.
That's like saying that violent movies cause people to be violent. Dumb argument I don't agree with it
Been violent we don't bring the drugs or guns to our community the government does they oppress our people and think we suppose to shut up and play nice nwa just spoke on what was really going on n America instead ignoring the truth put it n there face look how many black millionaires and billionaire that came out of it how many families that r n better positions some rock bands sing about extreme violence but nobody talk about them they have been the source of some suicide and shootings but they get over looked
That's why Ice Cube is in my top 5... In my opinion he is the definition of balance... from Straight Outta Compton to Lethal Injection... Ice Cube kept it real
it wasn't shit real about ice cube. that nigga was a babysitter then started writing rhymes about being a dopeman and killing prostitutes
@@TylonMonger stfu
@@gerridavis6274 You mad? Ice Cube grew up a rich boy, created his whole persona so that dumb fucks like you could worship him for being "gangster".
@@Forever-ry1nr I can tell you don't know wtf you talking and you not from L.A. cuz aint nobody rich where he grew up at dummy ...try again dummy and come with a true statement next time
@@Forever-ry1nr plus dummy if you knew wtf you was talking about everybody and they momma in California knows Cube was never a gangsta or in a gang ...dummy...so stay outta this lane and go post on some shit you know about dummy...you mad cuz I told another man to stfu..then you post some dumbass nonsense...so imma tell like I told him ...STFU!!!
I started listening to rap because of tupac, biggie, snoop dog like most of the people from outside US. I discovered caz yesterday seeing a documentary, and now listening to this interview. He gave me a new way to look at hip hop culture in general and his rhymes are so good!!!! a truly originator!
Caz with facts....respect to the legend
So true. Caz always drops truth #pioneer
chinita41 indeed...we need to take it back to the days when the youth respected and listened to their elders.
Royal L absolutely that has changed along with everything else. #Respect is key and not just at home. Back in the days it was the same respect in the streets. Saddly the youth don't respect themselves. No responsibility. They rebel. What I do is talk to the youth I work with and show them the same respect then let them know they have choices other than what's in the media as far as underground but with out putting down their music. As music and media is parenting the children so let's speak to them in their language
chinita41 it's like the old saying goes it takes a village. You're doing what I feel God put us here to do....which is love and uplift....actually make a contribution in this world..again I admire that you devote your time to doing something positive.
Royal L thank you for that. Likewise #Salute #Respect to you always for doing the same my friend
The record companies had that secret meeting to destroy Hip Hop.
You’re dumb
@@joco2826 so krayzie bone is dumb? because he confirmed it to be true
I'm an 80s baby and honestly I couldn't understand this opinion growin up.. I always looked at these cats like suckas 4 not acceptin gangsta rap.. Now as a family man, not quite a square, but calmed down a lot I completely agree with what he's sayin.. Matter of fact, the gangsta rap played a big role in me thinkin that way.. I still bump gangsta rap here and there, dont get me wrong, but its jus for entertainment now.. I don't gain anything from it like I do REAL hip hop.. That's what ppl need to explain to these kids.. This shit is all 4 entertainment, like a movie.. Not to be mimicked or mocked.. Pick wisely who u choose to look up to, cuz half these rappers ain't even happy wit themselves
It even being consumed as "entertainment" is the problem
This clip made me THINK. Thank you, VladTV for interviewing this legend. He and his thoughts should be studied in historical musicology and sociology classes.
Vlad loves to play dumb.
He's know damn well what that Boogie Down Productions "Criminal Minded" album was all about.
+Danny Boy
For real, he loves to play devil's advocate.
+Danny ™ Forreal bro,when he asked Caz who he thinks top lyricist are & Vlad was like 2chains? like nigga everybody knows 2chains is a abc rapper
The Prophet
I put a big dick on a biscuit,
Pour gravy spread wings with a chicken!
-2chains version of a "funny" punchline
As soon as hiphop left the upper east coast it wasnt hiphop and it was goofy as fuck........
Straight dropping jewels! Even though my first hip hop experience was "gangster rap" because I live in Los Angeles. I later heard other hip hop artists that he mentioned and I can tell right away that it was a different message in the songs...
fuck that the 90's gangsta rap era is fucking legendary, the sound of music then, compared to now is night and day I just cant believe we went to from G-funk to kids bop in 15 years!
Just because something/someone is legendary doesn't mean it wasn't detrimental... Look at Adolf Hitler and the holocaust... Legendary figure and time period... But it fucked up the world....
Charles Latisha Amen!!!
Charles Latisha G-FUNK💙
Caz is essentially right but maybe his comments need to be reframed a bit. In the late 80s when you had PE, and the Native Tounges emerge you also had NWA, Too Short, Geto Boys etc. So there was always amazing diversity in Hip Hop. Gangster rappers back then were undeniably skilled and you could make the argument as some are here that Gangsta Rap was always part of Hip Hop.
Raffa was this comment really necessary
Hmm, it's not the industry dictating what sells, the industry just follows the money. I know there are powers at be that orchestrate certain things like racism to devide and conquer but not in music. NWA sold their first records out the back of their car, produced with drug money cause no company would touch it. Same with house music etc. People in the street wanted gangster-rap and so eventually record companies jumped on board cause there's money to be made. I'm getting a little tired of these cats saying (white) corperate people sold out hiphop. It's not like they go to a black artist and you say: "You make this shit or else", no, they look at what's hot, get a dude who makes that and sign him. The only people responsible for whatever turn music takes is us, the consumers.
you obviously didn't listen to what he said
Gangster rap was detrimental to hip hop is like saying gangster movies are detrimental to the film industry at the core its only entertainment and there's a audience for both gangster and non gangster content! KRS-1 pushed the lines between both conscience and gangster kool g rap did too! You can't give someone a canvas and tell them what to paint!! Now what was really detrimental to hip hop was the fact that the creators didn't have the intelligence to maximize and keep the vultures out!!
Jason Jones exactly!!
Exactly
I bet if the powers that be decided to only make gangster movies and Chuck any other scripts from other genres you would say gangster movies is a detriment to the film industry.
Sadly he is right, gangsta rap was very detrimental to not only hip hop but also Society and American culture but it was inevitable, every single person should know you cannot have the good without the bad to balance it out, the ying and the yang, good and evil and so on. The thing is they had to see it coming, gangsta rap just overshadowed everything but it also had a ray of light from it and the perfect example of that was 2Pac who embraced both the good and the bad and I think that is why people idolize him so much, he showed us the true identity of a blackman living in America but sadly he just became the perfect martyr and left mostly the negative in terms of music. The world is twisted and hip hop was once a beacon of light but like all things it got corrupted.
Shout out to the creator of gangsta rap Philly's Schoolly D!
And if you notice, these "Purists" never mention Kool G.Rap, Onyx, Nas, Wu Tang, Biggie, etc when they cry about Gangsta Rap and it's negative influence... Why? Because Hip Hop expanded beyond the five boroughs and it grew exponentially on a nationwide basis under the sound of West Coast artist (and a few southern acts) and these Elitist HATE IT.
you do not have to be Elitist to hate gangsta rap. gangsta rap is bad culture and makes blacks look bad. also promote the ideal police are bad and entitlement mentally. hip hop so corrupted that it can not be saved.
@Still Waters...Wu Tang and Nas had a negative influence on hip hop?? Also no disrespect to Onyx fans, but Fredro Starr is more known for being Moesha's boyfriend than a gangster rapper lol.
This man is a hip hop pioneer... why should he hold his tongue to spare anybody's feelings? Lol... Especially y'all west coast cats... Lord y'all talk about NY being sensitive... Jesus LMAO
Marc NY because iy elvoves and all cultures are diffrent.
@멍청이사람uçmaq NY =Artist Cali = Business man (concussions)
I liked hip-hop in the late 80's. Once gangsta rap came about, I was mainly listening to Motown, funk, and R&B.
I write songs because I wanted to celebrate the beauty of life. Celebrating thug life and pimping is not beautiful.
I understand "artistic expression"; I write songs myself, but I am on a mission to make music great again in America.
This thug lifestyle is not something to aspire to. The gangsta rap message is not what I want kids to hear, anywhere in the world.
Music is spiritual. My songs come from my soul.
We need more craft and subtlety, even in pop music.
More people need to speak out about this stuff.
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+1
Well we know that gangster ppl only listen to real music
in a way everyone was conscience in the 80's
Gangsta rap did kill Hip Hop!
Shut up Dumbass bitch!
+Charles Franklin WHY?! WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH YOU, YOU JUST DON'T WANNA FACE THE TRUTH
+Charles Franklin not trying to start any bs but it's a fact😂
+Perry Soimis yea you're right rap is about telling a story, but man its definitely not about being a thug, an og, a gangbanger, why talk about that, rap was and is about getting out of the struggle and not trying to get people into trouble, you just have to say the way the rap crews the bboy crews, the djs and writers were trying to get out of the struggle, it's basically another form of saying from rags to riches, not hating bro!
+Perry Soimis see the way**
Today's gangsta rap is devoid of the political aspects inherent in the early gangsta rappers.
West Coast Music is totally different because it talks about the harsh reality of what goes on on the daily basis. New York always hated how the west wasn't as conscious as the East Coast rappers, i grew up on NWA Ice T Too Short who open doors for every artist in the west who told great stories
West coast never lyrical as east coast , only dumb G rappers
Gangsta rap set us back 100 years
Gangsta rap may be negative but it sheds light on the harsh realities that some of us face today. Music should depict reality, so lets us not pretend its all unity and happiness. Yes some rappers boast and glorify their evils, however their are others who speak of remorse and the regrets they face because of that lifestyle and the harsh consequences that come along with it. In the end this should all steer conversations about what is going on in some communities and how we should improve it.
Right!
I agree too but now they just saying it just to sell records and they are NOT really about that life anymore or never was.
Bull shit I took what was a small percentage of blk people's life into what all lil blk kids wanna b that's what gangster rap did it took it from being a bad thing to do messed up shit to being cool it's one thing to tell horror stories its another to say I reached back and slapped the how just cause she was running g her mouth let's be real I love nwa but if not for them the hood wouldn't b so big cause young blks wouldn't see it as cool or ok to b living like that but now they think if u don't live like that u r a pussy and young blk men feel obligated to b thug in order to get chicks
***** Agreed, and the mentality has spilled over into R&B to the point that we have a generation that produces and listens to a bunch of nonsense.
"harsh realities" see that's the problem is that you people actually think this. Nothing in Gangsta rap is reality. NOTHING! It's fiction presented as fact
I beg to differ Caz.
I respect the man but he's very bias.
NYC had their regional situation.
Cali had theirs.
The south is having theirs as we speak.
What better way to express oneself and communicate worldwide than through a universal lauguage (music)
Caz attitude is why the East coast fell off in the first place.
NYC arrogance was at an all time high back then.
Yes... Ice T, Too short and NWA kicked those biased doors down for others regions could come along to educate and motivate artistically.
Somebody had to gank the torch from NYC hands because NY was not trying to share at all.
+octavius simplicitous Please don't start with that origin of hip hop b.s.
Everyone knows where the genre started. Thus regional. I believe you cram to understand your own comment. Also, I was there during Hip Hop's golden era. Grand parents resided in Crown hts BK.
Was there every summer throughout 1980's.
That being said I didn't miss anything, word! As i stated before its the arrogance is what took the mic right from the hands of those Grand Master Caz type ninjas. Hip Hop has evolved and Hip Hop will continue to do just that.
***** I beg your pardon?
Ice T is from NY?
Since when, bro.
I agree bruh! He's speaking from East Coast point of view. West Coast verbalize their politics their way,and south has theirs,which is what's hot today...
Facts
This is like listening to a sage drop wisdom in a mountain temple.
We need about 5h of Grandmaster Caz just telling stories. Charge whatever you like
I respect Grandmaster Caz. This piece of the interview breaks down what happened 2 hip hop. The golden age of hip hop is all I listen to. Those guys had something 2 say and it was easy 2 defend it. 2day its bout screwin, weed, violence and material things. No positivity in the lyrics or music videos. Of the words of DMC "2days rap videos and music is like disco. What they say bout disco? Disco sucks"
Killed not only rap but all Black music
This is revisionism at its worst.
Kool g rap, Schooly D, Slick rick, get boyz, King t, kane, Krs one and ice t were making so called gangsta rap BEFORE nwa even came out. Criminal Minded WAS a gangsta rap album "9mm goes bang". Don't even try to deny it.
If anyone is to blame for how hiphop turned out, it's the masses and fan base themselves. The corporations only promote what the people keep buying, they DON'T force people to buy something they don't like because it will flop. Thats how successful businesses work.
There is no conspiracy to destroy the black community, rich whites and jews don't even care about us to even want to oppress us. We need to stop blaming others and stop blaming the media for our own problems and take personal accountability. Sex and Violence is apart of human nature, that's why you see it in ALL genres of music, ALL kinds of media, ALL cultures of the world so hiphop isn't any different. Japan produces just as much violent and hedonistic media as Americans do and yet they have the LOWEST crime and disfunction rate in the world. So people need to stop blaming music and other media for their own faults.
Besides Public Enemy and a tiny few others, conscious rap was NEVER to begin with. It was always a niche genre for self righteous, pseudointellectual, hypocritical, pretentious ass niggas and pc whites how want to look "enlightened". So of it is good like Common but most is no better than that trap shit.
+luke jones i cannot say definitely if i agree or disagree with you but i enjoyed reading your comment
people do not comprehend. Nwa was groundbreaking,and detrimental. you can be both. if you don't get that you won't. if you are under 40 you can't truly speak to this because you don't know the before and after. you only know what you have been told or heard them say in interviews. I ess a big NWA fan that does not mean I don't see what sprung out of that
Golden Era was the end for us. That was true Hip Hop then Gangsta Rap was invested in by corporations ruined the entire community.
Those cats in the mid- 80s were speaking on politics, trying to steer kids into a more hopeful direction, even if they had otherwise edgy or street level content. KRS, PE, Ice-T, even Too $hort - they basically told us that crack was a high-paying government job with terrible benefits. There was education and guidance. Then the industry stumbled onto how easy it was to sell unrepentant stereotypes to titillate a wider audience. The hood fell for it, too. No one wanted to be a "hater" on someone that was "making money" by having nothing important to say. It was awful, watching us choose ignorance.
Caz told the truth.
All respect to Grandmaster Caz but I totally disagree with him.
N_w_a definitely gave voice to our generation and how we felt about police corruption and many other things that were going on at that time, what rap need is balance not just 1 thing.
MadDogKillerSon isn't that true with pretty much everything, really the only way to be is independent, let the music industry die a slow death!
I love Gangsta Rap (and Horrorcore, etc.) and I've never killed anyone. In fact, the music actually prevents murder, because it's the perfect outlet.
makes sense, everyone has different opinions and I agree, i like gangsta rap also, but I'm just saying gangsta rap has nothing to do with the hip hop culture, community and lifestyle
IM 33 IN 2021. I GREW UP ON BOOSIE. I USE TO CLUB BUT I REALIZE THE "VIBE" IN A CLUB ISNT THE BEST BECUZ THE "WORDS" WE ARE HEARING. FOOLISH WORDS ARE PLAYED OVER A BEAT AND WE STAND IN A CLUB AS IT IS BEING REGURGITATED TO OUR BRAINS 🧠
Yes it was... Hip hop was a way of life, positive vibes with a positive message,with graffiti,breakdance.... Then came a virus called rap,and gangsta rap at that which infected one of the most promising movements in music and draged it into the gutter,and for the people who don't know the difference between the two,blame it all as a hole.... Party people,party people... Those of u that know what I speak of.... (I am hip hop)
When NWA came about in the late 80s the culture went to the toilet
No. We not finna blame NWA. That's lazy & misinformed on your part.
@@310bound is not about NWA but the gangsta rap culture of glorifying violence in general
@@juanmanikings he literally just tried to scapegoat NWA wtf
@@310bound Well i think NWAwas important in the popularization of gangsta rap but is not their fault they were just singning what was happening in the streets but the fans took the wrong message and started to glorify violence
So rapper from Compton that had a hard life can't tell the story bout what they see or what they living and have to making illegal money instead of making rap music? Understood sir👍🏼
Note, kids, that he specified the Golden Age as like 85 to 90 or 91... Your Biggie, Nas, Wu-Tang, Jay-Z, Mobb Deep are all *not part of that era* even tho they're great... By then gangsta rap and commercialism had already infected Hip-Hop
ከፍ እና ፍጥነት Lol, hey we all got an excuse to be cranky old man once in a while. Really it just frustrates me sometimes that late 80's rap doesn't get more mainstream acclaim, tho I love 90's/2000's/2010's rap too. Btw is your name written in Ge'ez script? Just curious.
ከፍ እና ፍጥነት That's cool stuff.
ከፍ እና ፍጥነት These old niggaz are hypocrites. Full of bullshit!!
It's true
@@pauloskidane2819 I'm only 32. But I know the good shit, and I know the history of the culture I love.
KRS-One quote from Vibe magazine (Nov 1995):
"You know what some people say? 'KRS: the founder of gangsta rap. Criminal Minded was the first gangsta rap album.' And I say no, it's not. N.W.A's Straight Outta Compton was. Or maybe Just-Ice's album was. The main thing is that before Criminal Minded, rappers were characters. After Criminal Minded, rappers became the everyday people on the corner. Realism. I was what Run-DMC, for example, was characterizing themselves to be--though in real life they were as real as me."
vlad, if you would have more interviews on topics like this and with people like grandmaster caz, your channel could become a positive political force
I hate when people say this. We were just telling our story. Our culture and lifestyle on the west is different. Didn't NOONE tell people to talk about anything because we were living it. We don't have 5%ers, NoGE, NOI, Moors or Panthers in compton and all of the subtle conscious branches that are in NY hip hop. But, yall were lacking one element. That "FTPDepartment" mentality. We brought aggression and realism to hip hop. Stop trying to deduce our contributions as if we were paid off to off set the progression of hip-hop. They capitalized off of it, and created a counter culture in the process. But stop please, and I hope you read this Vlad so you can tell ALL OF THE HH heads and most of the East Coast legends reevaluate their stance. You guys never get the scoop from people from the West Coast and that is a problem. Its a different story when we speak.
New York City also has 2,000+ murders a year back then and most of the social ills faced by black youth in Los Angeles. Trust me, a young rapper from the South Bronx in the early 90s could fill an encyclopedia with violent lyrics with ease. Also the Black Panthers was created in California (wasn't the CRIPS founded by an ex-Panther?) and by the 80s-90s branches and offshoots of the NOI, UNIA, and other black conscious orgs existed on the West Coast. I def agree with Caz's on this topic.
Here in Miami, when gangsta rap got popular in the early to mid 90s, it became cool to be in a gang. Before that, there were mostly just drug gangs. A lot of young blacks and hispanics got killed, because of those gangs that sprang up from the gangsta rap culture.
gangster rap was not detrimental to hip hop, hip hop needed balance. you had the happy rap, the party rap, the conscious rap, the lyrical rap, and then came gangster rap. Gangster rap gave hip hop that perfect balance that it needed. the only thing that was detrimental to hip hop was the non black people behind the scenes that only chose to promote gangster rap. you gotta dig deeper.
I agree with this. Can't deny the reality of what the street dudes were going through and they just wanted to tell their stories. But the vultures took over and you know the rest😔
Melle Mel is the King of Hip-Hop,Period!!
I use to listen to 2pac and Nas hardcore songs in the 90's but now that I'm older I really appreciate the positive songs they produced more. This generation's rap music requires no soul or thought process...I wish today's youth much luck.
I can't respect this because if you're an OG, you'd accept Gangsta Rap for balancing
KORRELLE SHEARD He a old broke Hater'
There was no balance.
KORRELLE SHEARD It was ALREADY BALANCED!! Once the industry seen the sells of NWA pushing negativity they completely abandoned positivity and pushed gangster rap to the forefront and it never stopped....and now its the NORM which is disgusting.
wesley griffin You're just mad because he shitted on gangster rap and your brain is poisoned and conditioned to love that bullshit.
I'm an OG, and I know there was balance in the first golden age... 87-93... NWA even gave some "street knowledge" but they still kept it gangsta... Ice Cube is actually the main example of this...
93-now? The balance started to decline heavily...
there is some article on the web, of which im not sure if its real or made up, but basically some hip hop insider from the 90s talks about how there was an actual meeting of the music industry, where they specificly said they wanted hip hop to go into all this gangster rap type direction. If this is true, just think about how fake all of this shit is that came out since. Even if the people who make the music are authentic, they would be just pawns in a game of cgess of the music industry
Kool G Rap wasn't a gangsta rapper? Ice Cube wasn't lyrical? Nobody was fucking with Cube in 89. I hate the argument Caz is making.
G Rap would murder Cube on the mic
El Maestro that's irrelevant to WHT the point he's trying to prove
Most from the west coast aren't going to like what Caz said but it's the truth.
El Maestro false! They're basically similar type of rappers. The biggest difference is one being from the east, and one being from the west. I grew up on both of them. They both have been inspirational for many rappers after them.
大畠明彦 just because Cube didn't battle rap, doesn't mean he can't touch G rap. I love both, but too many NY dudes try to act as if the rappers from up that way are always superior compared to rappers from other regions. That's just not true in most cases.
"Gangsta Rap was like a Crack Cocaine Infomercial"
So Vlad didn't wanna mention names in the beginning but asked him to name names 😂
if "the powers that be" are the ones that created gangsta rap then they should be considered genius' since they created a subgenre in music plus they managed to make MANY rap listeners switch from listening to motivational rap to detrimental rap.
JEWS
What?
underwaterlady LOL no they did not create anything, they merely exploited it for the all mighty dollar.
MelquanKatz but grandmaster caz said they did. are you saying he's wrong then? and if they exploited it, aren't they still clever, since not only did it work, but it's still working in chicago.
underwaterlady you misunderstood his meaning. Yes, wicked people can be very clever. Sounds like you want to champion the wicked. Whatever floats your boat.
Gangsta rap ruined hip hop
I am a 90s kid, white, from the UK. And I remember many white kids in school loving gansta rap when it really blew up. But they would often list off the hardships and the jail times of the rappers, like to compete on 'who was the hardest/ most realist'- not even seeing these rappers are real people. These rappers hardships became entertainment- and it was mainly for white people.
so much respect for GM CAZ….the truth……long ass 1st question,,,
I agree with caz on this.
I’m a hip hop interviewer. Caz is a good friend of mine. He is truly sad of what happened to hip hop. It’s not even 1% left of what they created at first. It’s different nowadays. Watch my hip hop interviews with legends on my RUclips channel. It’s a lot of history right there.
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this needs to be heard more
People should really give Christian Hip Hop a chance. It gets no more positive than that. :)
Spit that math Caz! Speak that truth to power Caz! Bronx representative, representing! The 5% Nation! The Mighty Zulu Nation coming for that neck through patience and wisdom! Watch out Vlad before they Ted Demme you, or Paul C you. The Tavistock Institute now have their eyes on you because of videos like this! Better beef up that security! I fucks with you Vlad! You're now officially "down by law" Ma'at, and I'm out! 42 Laws style boy!
Gangster rap changed things because the chronic and nwa sold so big, it made it about how many records sold and not really so much about lyrics.
WAKANDA NAKER Exactly!! West Coast Hip Hop did so much damage to the black communities. They made it cool to treat women like shit, be a deadbeat father, and shoot at other black people.
I don't think he is considering the fact that "old school" rappers had limited publicity outlets & basic equipment. Todays rapper has vast amounts of publicity outlets (with varying complexity) to enter & master and the DIY music tools are more advanced and sophisticated than the turn table & beat machine of yesteryear. Todays rapper cant just turn on a break and rhyme - they have to spend about 80% of time/resource to build and master "the machinery" so the rhymes may be less potent as a result.
Ohhh boyyy, Here we go again, OUR culture invented by US but a white rapper (em) has to reign "lyrical king". Smfh
Gangsta rap is not Hip Hp, there's a difference.
RenR70 yes it is,most of the best rappers has gangsta lyrics
True but Hip Hop was around for roughly 15 years before Gansta rap, that's why Caz & old school Hip Hop heads don't like it.
It definitely is. Lyrics get taken outta context too. They’re narrating what they see, or what they went through. It’s just very explicit.
RenR70 yeah cuz it changed and made them irrelevant thats why lmao
@def creator idc if you shake your head.. there is a such thing as evolving..hip hop started off positive yes.but do you hear violent lyrics from nas,jay z,big l, eminem, ice cube? Yes, tell me they aren't a part of real hip hop..
I totally agree with him and that's what Ive always thought.
I listen to East Coast Underground Hip Hop like Wu Tang,Public Enemy,Immortal Technique,Rakim,Brand Nubian ,Jeru The Damaja,Paris,The Lone Catalysts ,Canibal Ox etc....
West Coast G-Rap destroyed Hip Hop Culture with Drugs,Sex and Violence and especially our People .
That's why I never liked West Side except Ice Cube ,I just like Groups like Dilated Peoples and Crunk kinda branch of G-Rap with Bikinis women exposed and men in the middle like Kings throwin' bank notes up,smokin' and drinking, sniffin' coke.
Women are showed as Prostitutes ,Biatches ,sex slaves whilts in the 90s there were Groovy,Queen Latifah is the Pioneer,McLyte,TLC,Brownstone,Lauryn Hill...I like Missy,Alicia and also Beyonce,unlike Rihanna who has not the style.
Beyonce has the style of Michael Jackson dance ,and I love Mary J except the way she dresses today .
The 90s were New Jack, but the Noughties were stereotypical women because of Women hypersexualization and especially Black Women and Mainstream uses it.
A lot of ya'll be quick to call somebody a "hater" when you dont agree with them...I'm very sure that most of you dont even know what a hater really is.....it isn't a term that rappers made up....there have been haters since the beginning of time.....Caz is just expressing his opinion...whic is very valid because he is one of the greats....also, remember that we are exposed to a lot more music in this day and age.....back then they didnt have acess like we do now...so if you lived on the east/west....that's primarily what u listened to...now of course there were exceptions.....but music listening is way more diverse amongst us now....and that applies to Grandmaster Caz as well
Respect 2 the legendary GM Cazz, but he seems 2 be a lil hypocritical & bias
Tell these kids what's up💣
What Caz saying is True. Who know's, Caz could be Salty about that line MC Ren said (Nigga's Rappin since the 70's and still never went Gold)...LOL
Mc ren contributed to the distribution of mind poison to our people
I have been asking this question for years. ''Is Wu Tang considered gangster rap?''
respect for OG
Caz is right that the Execs killed conscience rap.. but NWA wasnt gangster rap when it came out it was.. REALITY RAP.. conscience west coast style.. just because it evolved into what became
gangster rap" (a term coined by the industry} doesnt mean that nwa were part of it...
first of all your picture is dope.. secondly.. i was there in LA at the time of their release.. EVERY ONE WAS A GANGSTER.. LA was the most violent fucking place in the country during those days.. fucking cheerleaders were bang'n.. gangster rap WAS the reality.. but dint no one call it gangster rap until the 90s.. or maybe 90.. we just called it Science in those days.. 'this motha fucking kck'n knowledge.. or sceince".. didnt no one call it gangster until the phonies started coming .. until the genre took off.. Even they called them selves conscious rappers.. Didnt know one say Gangster rap until the fucking media say it.... how bout cube first album you although he had JD jacking in the drive throu bit on.. that entiire record was science.. HE WAS KICKKING SCIENCE.. i feel indifferent.. because i heard the transition.. i mean they werent even the first to do it.. IT WAS KING T.. the first.. but jerry heller gave them legs in the industry.. king t.. wasn't calling it gangster rap.. once the media coined the term gangster rap.. thats when it went from being an expression of inner city life.. to some ther bullshit.. as far as i know none of them banged.. Eazy wasnt bangn .. he was expressing what its like growing up inncer city.. we made money from crack.. everyone did.. its was epidemic.. it was so cheap .. peole didnt use scales.. it was.. arright this ones a 20.. but im double u up.. so that u come bac to me.. . because we all were criminals..
Tony Homsi I thought Eazy was a crip
Tony Homsi stuoid name. Gangsta rap is the correct nane fir nwa shit and its ilk. Their reality is not everyones else.
looks to me like the first generation change happened in the 90's and then the next one happened recently, and the generation before always gets pissed cause they feel pushed out when the problem is the record labels
Always remember as much as you wanna knock gangster rap .It started with one of the not forefather but THE first commercial rapper who STARTED that genre. CRIMINAL MINDED.
1st line, "I knew a crack deala by the name of pe...ta... Had yo buck'em down with my 9 milla me...ta"
-KRS-1...
Soooo... Wtf is he talking about now ? Hip hop has always been this way, the rhythm was different place to place but it never changed the fact that you spoke on what was around you. The beauty in hip hop was the fact that it was multicultural because it was just in one place, and every region had a native sound but ever artist had there own voice and story... But for artist as old as he is to say something like this, is a slap in the face to everyone in hip hop, and discredits his own musical work...
And for the record hip hop was commercialized first in NY and made public to masses because of NY, but hip hop in musical concept wasn't created by NY, because the roots of the hip hop style is southern.
TheiLL17 All the Hip Hop founders were from the Caribbean or born to Caribbean parents. Now if you want to say that Caribbean music was influence by America and most american music came from the south, then fine, but why stop at the south? It all come from Africa if you go back far enough.
TheiLL17 VERY GOOD POINT MY MAN. He seems to forget that RUN DMC was practically the first of the first in terms of crossing over via commercialism. They were straight outta Hollis Queens. Had a movie and all.
North Star well kinda true, but I'm mean the origin of the particular style of telling a story musically in a repetitious manner
Steven Truitt thank you... And to go with the "hip hop" differences he clearly forgot that afrika bambataa was no where near the same style of hip hop as the people he name, it was funk and dance influenced and like most bboys and pop lockers their dances are usually done to music thats disco and swing related... But of course he wasn't gonna name or talk about the fact that with these differences the influences came from every where outside of NY.
TheiLL17 Real talk!
Gangsta rap saved rap when the golden era mc's was falling off in the early 90s.