It’s way simpler than that. 50% of the Black population lives in the South. Once they figured out you don’t have to be from NY it was over. P took the independent Bay Area hustle to the south & gave them the blueprint & it’s been over ever since
The South was open to working with everyone and making music for the whole country. New York was focused on New York. I got a friend from New Jersey and he even says New Yorkers don’t support Jersey artists. The South was open to work with and support everybody.
Real talk uou ever noticed when 25-cent was beefing with everyone from.NY Texas movement was up and coming but that only lasted probably a year and a half but still the south then TI and jeezy back then had the streets on 🔐 than wayne and all them passed all that drama up cuz they were unity and tryna mske money belive it or not he is part of the reason NY ain't the same like it used to but dosent take fault at it cuz he knows it's true plus ATL was on the rise since the early 00's ➕️ the 🔨 in the ⚰️ was when kanye beat him in 07 it was over for NY by then and than tried starting beef with wayne but he didn't have advantage everyone got tired of his stupid beef gimmicks to wear he has to troll in order to get attention and everyone has to sound like the south now
EVERY CITY IN THE SOUTH IS NOT THE SAME! New Orleans is it's own city and we have our own culture and slang talk. When No Limit and Cash Money came out New Orleans was on the map! And New Orleans is the Birthplace of Jazz! So New Orleans been a musical city.
We knew they was making fun of our accents and not taking us seriously. At a certain point you have to stop caring and being so self-aware... we know we southern... once we got comfortable and let it all hang out, the money started flowing down here... we finally got over the embarrassment of loving any and everything about New York, only to be shit on and made fun of for trying to make music too... we didn't need that love no more... then the south took off... plus we always vibed more with the west, even the midwest...
If you weren't here youre clueless. We bumped outkast ghetto boys etc. You're talking industry shit. Jay Z back in 99 was asked what his favorite shit was at the time. He said UGK. Stop speaking on history you don't know. You were told some shit and you believed it
I'm from BKNY, and Andre 3000 in my Top 5, but your right, Y'all got comfortable with yourselves, but being NY Brother, I always loved and Respected the Southern Hospitality. One Love, everybody get there shot, when you do, do the very best you can. Too whoever is reading, much Love and respect. Wish you nothing but Heaven. God Bless
80s NY rap was authentic so was 90s but also mixed with the West coast you could say peak of hip hop. Then 00s only 50 was the only real one holding it down for NY but even then he was surrounded by southern cats started saying mayn. After pac and big died, you heard of guys like D4L, Lil John and songs like back that azz up and lil Wayne came up even though he’s from an old school era it’s all southern bs
The industry was in NY, so they did it to themselves. They tried to emulate the South's sound. Trying to do that without understanding Southern culture is going to sound corny. I also think arrogance did it too. Lot of NYers look down on other regions. They didn't learn from what the West Coast did to em in the 90s. Seems like all the other regions respected each other's music; NY was the only one that didn't.
Nah 99% of New York niggas went down south at the end of the 90’s Weren’t no more African Americans in New York no more to hold ny hip hop down Everybody foreign up here now It’s Carribean music It’s over
People thought the South was just one big country. They didn't realize how many pockets it had. Florida took off then Houston, then New Orleans, then Memphis, then Atlanta, then back to Texas, then Mississippi the Carolinas, Alabama, then back to Atlanta then back to Florida. These places all had distinct sound, lingo and histories. One of the other big reasons is because New York's Underground Music started talking to itself. The Wu-Tang the Boot Camp Clik and others was not as universal as the earlier artist out of New York, but they became popular music for the world. Other regions had to listen to the earlier New York artist because we didn't have our own voice. This is the same thing thats happening with Underground Atlanta artist. The world is having to listen to artist from Atlanta and the south that werent ment to be heard by the whole world.. The West was growing but the west was also talking to it own music at one point. New York was too cerebral and rapping over pings and bings for beats. The true hip hop head wanted to decode lyrics, but the new fans didn't want to have to do algebra on the dance floor. The bragadocious, i, i, i, battle rap style of rap was dying and NY wasn't adapting face enough. The West was too one-dimensional... the pure funk sound was not universal and groups like souls of mischief wasn't at the forefront nationally like the should have been...the South early on had the beats and a good amount of lyricism. The South music was fun and heartfelt so we touch the soul of people with the live music/funk/blues/ r&b and tribeal sounding drum patters. It was closer to the origin of hip-hop with African Bambaataa and party music for blocks and Burroughs. After a while the demise came in the lose of NY identity and evolution of music.
The west was universal, none of you niggas from the south or east were recongnized in pop culture like the west, most of the classic black hood movies are based on the west, gangster rap was popularized by the west, they even had a fuckin video game (gta San Andreas) based on west coast culture, the west coast in its prime was different. I will agree the west sound was kind’ve one dimensional however they’re sound was was universally recognized, i would argue that the west coast in the 90s was more popular then any era New York or any city in the south had.
@@darianp2294again NY music was universal because it started hip hop and by the time the West hit, the third wave of NY was there. This was true Underground rappers that were not Pop music, but it was the Popular music cause it was from NY and label backed. Its the same way you would consider early southern music our Popular music, but know the music you here is southern Underground that is Popular. The world wasn't supposed to hear slim thug, Gucci, the same way Boot Camp click and Wu (beside meth)
@@darianp2294 again the world wasn't supposed to hear half of the Souths underground music they here now. The reason they are hearing that underground South music and it's considered popular music is because the internet helped to expand the borders of the South. As I said earlier one of the main reasons is because the South was bigger than what most people thought and two and no one was able to snatch you away from the south. The West Coast snatched it away from east while New York was starting to crumble, the South snatched it away from the the East and the West after biggie and Pac died. The Midwest sprinkled their flavor in a little bit but they were too contingent upon the west and the east to show their own full identity. Detroit in St Louis were the only two cities in the Midwest on a certain level, but Detroit had a lot of its foundation out in the west with Eminem and the rest of the cities identity will share with New York style rap. Chicago what's spitting at the industry like a semi-automatic but none of the cities rallied together to stamp the Midwest. As I said has been able to snatch it away from the south so you're hearing underground and hardest after underground artists after underground artist that has become popular music. 21 Savage was never supposed to see the light of day on a national level.
NY rappers spent the early 2000's and 2010s trying to out-rap each other. The South dominated during this time because they MASTERED writing catchy songs that were memorable. Jay Z was able to maintain during those times because he mastered BOTH. He's nice with the pen AND he is a hook GENIUS. MIMS and Dipset got the memo early. French Montana, Bobby Smurda, ASAP Ferg and countless others followed suit. Southern production and simple hooks became the draw and eventually the industry standard.
Yea you right they thought that in the 70's to until people got tired of hearing it to much of anything gets old and eventually those simple songs tend to get old fam. But enjoy that cake though. It expires when all there is, is vanilla.
NY artist spent most of the time beefing with each other. Instead of supporting and possibly helping each other, the dumbA** goons were hating on each other. The west coast, mid west and the south just took that sh**. Example; Mobb Deep and Prodigy was one of the best representations of NY to the fullest but his peers treated him like sh** until the day he died. Even after he died.
@@Allious131 Smh U just yapping music has changed because the generation change duhhhhhh so who cares if u ain’t jamming to it smh imma keep real this generation doesn’t control the music it’s gen z lol Hoffa will never be on like that because dude came and left MF in his 40s and that bs intro talks about the same thing these young niggas speaking on lol
What ppl don’t realize is that the south is still run by DJ’s Crews. Production crews. Most the artist are coming out the same camps. They bubble on the low and once one gets on, they all get on. I’ve engineered so many sessions where any star might pull up and the whole studio becomes a vibe.
Southern rap took over also because their music is about freedom, having fun, and not always about battling, going the hardest, and being the best (even though some of that just comes naturally). It was time for a change. Also New York vs. Southern rappers have a different way of putting things and have experienced life differently. OutKast has some of the toughest, and I mean the toughest, coldest lyrics of all time!! Lyrics that make you think and reminisce. And you would be like (in my southern accent), "That sho' did happen like that though". 😊 #DirtySouth
Exactly what the Jews need to get the world to where we are now lol…degeneracy …that’s the real fact about it Them execs went down south cause they seen a market similar to the chitlin circut but pushin what new and pac started
I been saying it for years .. The South really does run Hip-Hop now .. Once they figured out you don’t have to be from NY to be a successful rapper it was over !
1. The emergence of the south started when Big & Pac died and Master P came and dominated the business immediately thereafter (late 90’s). 2.The New York infighting -> (50 went at everyone in NY from 03 to 05) , Nas and Jay beef , Cam going at Nas , Terror Squad infighting was a big part of the downfall . 3. New York ego -> Not respecting the talent of the south back then made the south go harder . 20 years later the south still dominates hiphop . 4. The industry shifted to sign more southern artist when they saw the south getting big money -> Def Jam South , Cash Money Records dominance (30 years in the business) , and Atlanta brought new artist, fashion styles and beats to the mainstream.
Naaa dont blame it on the drugs.. Dude in the camo is 100% right! Yall greedy & extra selfish. You dont get no where being rude & disrespectful. Yall vibe is ALOT more respectful than it was 10/20 yrs ago cuz yall see the south took over with grace. Thats why there’s a thing called “southern hospitality” The position of power will always fall or return to the purest hearts. Change yall energy.🎯
@@themostsecretscience6409 were you here. Yall some I was told some shit. Never came here but don't know what was happening on the hip hop scene. Fyi. Rappers didn't make the decisions on signing people. Execs did And most were white.
All black American musical genres came from the south because majority of black Americans live in the south that’s our national state, so this should not be a surprise
*Hip Hop Lesson from the South* Being born and raised in Mississippi, I remember back when NY music DOMINATED the radio stations down here. We knew every artist, every verse, and every word they ever spit. And when Biggie said "from the Mississippi down to the East Coast" in Juicy. That one bar/shout out started a whole movement down south. We started getting old tape recorders meant for recording school lectures and started making our own music using homemade instrumentals we made by looping the last part of a track before the song went off. A lot of us had parents or uncles who played in Blues or Gospel bands who helped us create our own original tracks. One of the pioneer southern hip hop rappers was Memphis rapper Playa Fly with song titled "Crowning me". We soon realized that this new blues influenced rap style created a new Southern Hip hop sound, like what Sugarhill Gang's "Rapper's Delight" did in New York.
Here in Boston we have that New York hip hop 90s sound and, gutta rap Of course there’s younger rappers who do drill music but mostly in Boston the rap music is similar to hardcore rap and large professor type boomrap
NYC went from being the standard to being followers. Gangbanging, slang, and flows all sound transplanted. Being from the Midwest we peeped the shift of power in the rap game before it even happened because we noticed how arrogant NYC cats was moving. Only so long can you get by like that
@Natural Immunity yup. Pride cometh before a fall. I was enjoying big gipp of the goodie mob's recent interviews on the art of dialogue platform but all of a sudden in the middle of it he got very self aggrandizing in touting the South as the supreme holders of hip-hop and claiming all these artists who aren't even actually from Atlanta or the South and some cases as being better than anyone's that New York could put up.
From my point of view, I feel like Southern rappers have a better/easier time collaborating with one another. East coast dudes be CRAZY standoffish when it comes to the collabs.
I'm from NY their egos are way too big and a lot of them felt like the younger ones coming up were competition instead helping them shine. Also a lot of artist from NY when it was transitioning didn't know how to adapt to a new sound and relied on radio spins
Plus there beatz are more vicious.......NYC doesn't have a core sound....the south got that club feel......we all love the club.....lo....NYC is weird ... #### ATLANTA 2 BROOKLYN....
I’m from Louisiana I love how we was unified but I also hate how they just co-sign anybody. I love the competition and it’s nothing wrong with wanting to be the best. We need balance
It's crazy cuz it was alot of great artists in the early 90's from the south that only got regional play but they were gods in those regions. Shout out to JT Money and the Poison Clan. One of Biggies favorite groups
I’m from New Orleans and I saw the shift. NY started this hip hop shyt and mad respect to all the fore fathers but the South saw that and said we not gonna move like this! At the end of the day it’s all good. Love is love. No Limit/Cash Money put on so many cats. ATL showed the most love to their own. But I ain’t gon front….Roc Marciano, Griselda and many others brought that hip hop back.
It was also a bit of NYC arrogance. They said the south was dumb and country, west coast couldn’t rap, everyone but them was soft, etc. So while their noses was in the air, the left and third coast did their thing. The west coast fully embraced the south when NYC looked down on us. And once we realized that you could sell and tour from Texas to Virginia and never need to go north to get money, it was a wrap.
New York rap didn’t evolve! Ppl will always support something new, the south had so many sub genres in rap like crunk, trap, pop rap groups like OutKast, even today southern rap is more versatile and evolved. Jay Z made death of the auto tune. New York has been following waves instead of creating them. Like New York drill.
New York Rap fell off due to creative stagnance . Hip-Hop fans are always looking for the next new sound or way of rapping and the South is always changing and evolving. The South also has a much larger black population than New York/the East Coast meaning it has a larger pool of talent.
@@MrHnic95 *"In 2019, the South was the region with the highest share of the country’s Black population, with 56% of this population living there. The Midwest and Northeast each held 17% of this population, while the West was home to one-tenth of the Black population."*-- The Pew Research Center
I honestly feel like we lost our control over hip hop here in ny because after it being around for so long new generations grew up with hip hop and now there’s artists from all over the country. The artists and the ppl who are from the south, Midwest, and west more closely relate to each others style and listen more to each others music. All of those other regions together outnumber us here in ny and the north east so they decide the radio trends etc., here we got a wayy different culture (every region has its own swag but the other regions are a little more similar, I’ve been to a lot of states all over and they were all crazy different from ny/east coast mentality and culture). Also I think one of the big reasons NYers have always been so competitive with each other a little more than other places because we’re a giant city that’s divided into 5 giant boroughs and that breeds a big competitive feel on a citywide level. it’s also just a naturally crowded, fast paced, every man for themself arrogant type of place here.
Honestly the competition between MCs in NYC set the bar high and actually made better music. As an visual artist myself, I’m like, how can I top what this other artist put out or how can I make different. It truly made everything that much better. And now we have a market that’s over saturated with the same beats, same cadence of repetitive dumbed down lyrics, and almost the same names…hell even the sane looks…almost every mumbler has dreads. There virtually nothing to differentiate one mumbler from the next but unfortunately it’s todays accepted medium.
There were many elements that caused the downfall, including the fact that the South began to dominate club and party culture (and NY accents lack the natural rhythm that best complements faster paced drum patterns in party music) but most of all, the genre was due for a change. All genres shift in sound eventually, the difference is most genres aren't heavily tied down by region like rap is.
5:35 “tragic guliani stop the drugs , while the south was making money” 🙄 such an ignorant asf northerner!! Majority of black Americans wealth is in the south!! Atlanta black wealth class has always been unmatched & grew unstoppable since Maynard Jackson (1st black mayor) took office in 1973 and made sure 25% minimum of all city contracts went to black Americans!! A lot of those businesses help fund the entertainment industry
I’m a Brooklyn guy born and raised, but now living in Tampa FL. Moved down south right at the time the South took over. The single most reason for NYC losing the top spot, and the south taking it is because NY dudes are the biggest haters in the world. NYC dudes hate on other NYC niggas, and hate outsiders even harder. While NYC heads was occupied with doing shit for dolo, and not breaking bread with each other, the south didn’t stop breaking bread with each other. Wasn’t uncommon for Houston to rock with Atlanta or vice versa and so on. NY’s biggest enemy was themselves, and now NYC artist can’t really get they shit off unless they sound like they from the south. Crazy to think that a whole region got fronted on, and now that same region is responsible for leading the pack, and has set the bar.
Compared to the South and other regions New York Rap has always been more reliant on sampling as opposed to creating your own distinct dope sound. Tighter copyright laws made sampling less accessible and New York fell off because they couldn't adapt or change with the times. No new sounds or trends have come out of New York since the 90s.
@@mikedizzle5804yeah but yall got r&b and shit for that. RAP. Rhythm and POETRY. Hip hop IS lyrics this southern shit is country/r&b whatever yall wanna call it
NJ. To these brothers is informative but sad. When I left Nj to go to Texas in 1983 I was floored at how loving and inviting people were in Houston and surrounding Texas towns. Whenever I flew into Newark my wallet went in my front pocket, my guard went up and I had to stop speaking to folks. After 2 Christmas breaks I knew that was no way to live. Listening to these cats is surreal and sad that a city can make you so cold and callous that it fosters a fuck you mentality.
I feel you. It reminds me of the EWF lyric from "That's The Way of The World": 'A child is born with a heart of gold/The way of the world makes his heart grow cold'.
I've been in the music business for over 40 years what ruined the rap game was directed labels they wanted to create everybody to be like somebody who was hot that's what ruined the game in New York they looking for the next Jay z the next biggie and also the same guys like puffy ruined the industry people better start giving Damon dash his due respect he's the only one who fought for his artist and made them all millionaires that's a fact
Hell i alwas wondered was Grand daddy I U and father MC clones of Big daddy kane, pushed by labels.... I liked grand daddy IU... but bith felt like a ploy to get money out that lane. So it didn't start at the south
Preach! People always dick ride on cats like Puffy who were just looking to mold artists to fit their mainstream pop narrative while DAME was actually the man, a cat who refused to be bossed and be any body's bitch he was his own boss and he actually wanted to put people on the game and help them make bread. Idgaf about Puffy or JAY egotistical ass, the realest business men in hip hop are MASTER P and my man DAME DASH!!!
Life Long New Yorker..70s baby..been a true Hip Hop fan since I was a child..one of the reasons NY fell off was the arrogance that we had. Since we originated this from the very beginning some how, some way we thought we would never lose the reigns of rap..sitting with that intergalactic ego and pride..like we could not lose. But guess what we did. The West Coast had something to say in the form of NWA, E-40, King Tee, Ice-T, Spice 1 etc. Than the South had something to say in the form of the Geto Boys, UGK, Eight Ball and MJG, Goodie Mob and Outkast etc. And they took the ball running. And didn't drop it at all. They definitely kept a reign on rap for quite some time. One thing the West and South do consistently is put their people that they love on. When Snoop dropped "Doggystyle" in the 4th quarter of 1993 he had quite a few people on his CD, Lady Of Rage, Daz and Kurupt, Warren G., RBX (im missing a couple of people) but their mentality was, once I'm on we are all going together. NY didn't have that mentality for some time it came much later..but too late in my opinion. NY still looking for those glory days..but that time has passed..definitely happy for that. There is enough money and fame for every one out here..being selfish only costs you more than you're willing to give in the end. One Love Y'all.
Ny got too cerebral and its underground artist that spoke 100% NY became the worlds Popular music. Its the same thing that is happening with atl artist. Truth betold, the world was never supposed to hear WU, bootcamp click, mob or Mop. Same way the wold is not supposed to hear half of the 4th generation of rappers out the south that are speaking nothing but ATL lingo yo the world. I will say arrogance, cause NY thought the South was slow and just one big country. They got out hustled by southern indi artist while the we're hopping for a deal.
Well first and foremost all these rappers sound the same and rap about the same shit! The shit is watered down. This generation don't have true lyricist, it's a bunch of lullaby rappers on hot beats
[ Pigmeat Markham let's have some heat ] Type that in and listen to this rap song that came out in 1958. Pigmeat Markham is from the South. He's from North Carolina. He was rapping in the South long before he moved to New York, The Bronx that is. And I heard other people tell me that they grandparents and great grandparents use to tell them that people use to rap over the Blues in juke joints throughout the South way before the late 60s and early 70s. SO THE REAL REASON WHY NEW YORK LOST IT TO THE SOUTH IS BECAUSE IT REALLY ORIGINATE DOWN HERE TO BEGIN WITH. GOD IS JUST SHOWING US WHERE IT REALLY ORIGINATED FROM.
You should be arrogant tho you had the best emcees that battling made dudes sharp. You think a d4l coulda come outta new york. The south dumb hip hop down except for a few artist but 80% of southern rap is trash
@@janga75 the industry dumbed down rap. Now the issue is that NY got too cerebral.... and was talking to NY. The lingo and everything was on a nationally platform but it didn't represent all of the world as the other regions got their voice. Sorry to say, some people like to have fun some people hated the slamming it to the swerer type of rap when they loved sugar hill and Bambaataa. That is what the south gravitate to early on, hence the beats. Its just the style and lingo is not NYs now on a national platform. People hate when their ball gets taken and they can't get it back. Ny didn't evolve. Period.
Its not NY fell off, the south started making music that sound tremendous in clubs. All the melodic baseline, people stopped caring about bars. It started with Ludacris, he was the first to dumb it down because before him southern rappers were spitting bars. Then all the drugs an lean thrown into the mix, people ain't trying to study what NY rappers were saying. Plus chicks ain't trying to read a dictionary to understand what a brother saying, but simplify the wordplay and make the beats catchy now you got a problem because chicks buy more music than brothers do. Plus NY cats we're always beefing with each other, diss records become boring after a while, especially when it affects the vibe in the city!
Well said. I'm 48 year old Blackman who grew up in St.Louis during the Golden era of hip hop. I'm well verse in most genres of music having a uncle who played the sax and was on the New York jazz scene of the 60s thru the 80s. And I just luv musicianship over entertaining for the masses. I love that Rakim, LL, Brother J, Krs 1?, Special Ed and the such were so young yet had the vocabulary of a college professor. I just can't get with the current thing they call hip hop. I hate its so low brow and so simplistic in rhyme style and subject matter. Its a terrible influence on our youth in our communities. I know there is some artists who purvey positivity and most are underground. But in the late 80s you had such a variety in styles and no one sounded alike. And it was about who was the dopest and had the best skill set on the Mike. Now if you didn't care about lyrical skill set you still had the 2 live crew or Too Shorts of the world but even those acts could put out some good material. You had a wide range of styles that were showcased in the mainstream and you still had a viable underground scene. Damn you had to live thru it to understand why my generation gets so sentimental about 80's and 90's hip hop.
The beats were fire, the avg person could relate to the South, West etc. I'm from NYC and I'm all about lyricism all day but I know that lyrical miracle vibe aint going too far in clubs or even in the streets...Hov was lyrical but his singles were built for radio, BIG too...
Knowledge of Self stop being prevalent in East Coast music…..to me that was kind of the glue …..not just “conscious” rap ….but just a certain dignity and culture ………you see rappers like AZ, Nas, Busta Rhymes still having longevity ………also it’s more than just the south that’s like that ….Lived near the Bay Area and it’s the same ….of course they have there beefs but as a whole they about the movement…….
The fall of New York was 50cent beefing with all of NY, while sounding Southern with Dr. Dre at the helm of the beats. He literally divided NYC and was beefing with all top NY artists. The drama became the forefront then the music. Also, NY was sounding like everything but NY. We lost who we are and don't know our history. A civil war and NYC doesn't have legit good programming anymore. Also, NYC corner everybody was rapping and wanted a deal. Now, NYC is about being something or someone else instead. Be yourself.
@@MrWARBUCKS24 alot of NY artists even said it; 50 is part of the downfall...... he beefed with everyone.....he is responsible for the isolation and crumbling of NYC. Ebro/50 killed NY hiphop. Did not groom NY rap talent. Asap influence by Houston why- Ebro was playing everything else but NY. 50 had leverage......biggest artistand on a great label Interscope. We can disagree!
@@MrWARBUCKS24 Can you imagine if Nas, JayZ and Puff held a New York Hiphop conference to align and unite the NYC artists during that time.......50Cent as well could have united. The egos/beefs and lack of respect for the craft all play a part. Ebro is not from NY and is part of the dismantling of NY Hot97- the lack of NY representatives on Radio is slim and some who are don't have the veteran status to make suggestions/comments.
@@rosierose4022 NY had a lot of shit going on behind the scenes before 50 blew hot 97 wouldn't play certain NY artist because of personal beefs they say 50 name because he's a easy scapegoat. The radio personalities becoming record execs did more damage then 50. Also look at the age of the new NY rappers they grew up in the internet more exposure to other regions music so of course they're gonna have different influences
“While sounding southern with Dr. Dre” only mf that sounds more NY on a track than 50 is maybe Joe 😂 That is not a southern sound, that was a “shot in the face and had recovered” voice affected, NY sound. NY doesn’t have to fall for the industry to grow, everyone talks like it’s WWII about this subject 😆When mfs figured out it could be done their way (which is kind of the whole idea of rap music) the music and the industry evolved accordingly. That doesn’t sound like much of a downfall to me, that and there wouldn’t be much competitiveness in rap history if not for a shake up like that. When it grows that progress, when it stays where it’s at is stifling progress - no matter how dope we might think/know in our minds a certain era is. Fact is, some of NYs best competitive track history comes out of stuff like that (minus the drama with violence and losing people). Complacency is what helps a genre fade out, Jazz and Opera being a perfect example. You might hear Blues and you might hear R&B, Rock or even Country, but think about how rare it is and how unlikely you are to see anyone bumping Jazz on any public radio forum. Maybe culturally in some places, but usually even that is live music. Point is, the success of southern rap music and the “downfall of NY” have nothing to do with each other. That’s like saying that purified bottled water sales (NY RAP) being affected by Gatorade (50) has something to do with spring water (the south). 50 definitely caused a ruckus, but that’s not on the south and I don’t even get where that came from. If they kept it in NY, it wouldn’t have grown past a certain point because you need diversity - it’s like how dining out used to be the only restaurant fix until fast food happened and yeah, people talk crap about fast food - while they’re in line to get it. To each their own, I guess. I don’t disagree with the fact that he was a big figure in that picture
@@seanyoung9014 we didn't understand the business. We still don't understand how we are an entity as a people in a capitalist society, as black people we are a brand and the brand is poorly managed and represented.
Here is my take from both sides of the scope. I was born in the south and raised there until 14. In 1984, the prime of hip hop and being a b boy. Moved to Philly right after school ended. Every weekend would visit my aunt in Flatbush that summer. And would take the train up during school or whatever. After high school, went to school back in the south. And stayed after graduation and moved to NY in 1997 when my firm transferred me. It’s like anything else. My started it all, and I can tell you, even in Philly, during that time it was about who is the best MC. I’m just speaking rap. My dudes think about who is the best Mac. By time the south caught on, it was a money game. The south weren’t truly poppin with solo MC’s. It was groups. No limit, OutKast, goody Mobb, Cash Money.. my rappers had the ego that”this is where it started, and if you got it, you don’t need to link up with anyone else”. I’m not talking about when rap started getting play on white radios. I’m talking that period between mid 80’s to 95ish before the whites started hitching to the wagon.
@@ogarchielee9880 Hey I'm from North Carolina and I'm 35 years old and in North Carolina we have MCs like J Cole who rap in an East Coast culture like Phonte and Little Brother, they've been around since The 2000s. North Carolina has a different sound and vibe from most other places in the south, North Carolina is East Coast by the way, it's just a few states lower than New York and Philly on The East Coast side of The U.S map but I rap for North Carolina and The South though so I love The South.
@@hassanx9423 North Carolina is also East Coast it’s just part of the South-Eastern part of USA compared to New York which is part of the North-Eastern part of East Coast
@@JDiggiti I get what you're saying but that's what NY Hip-Hop is. I think the disconnect here is that Hip-Hop (sub-culture) is not the same in every region. I think if we all understood that, we could understand and respect each other better.
It's really simple. NY was the only game in town at one point, then the world opened up to accept other cultures that were cool. Fans went from wearing Tims to rocking Chucks and gangbanging just bc the West Coast took over. Other cultures (Houston, LA, Chicago, Atlanta, etc) were introduced to Hip Hop and the fans loved it. NY didn't keep up. Atlanta is black culture, and black culture is hip hop. That's why Atlanta is in the driver's seat. All that other stuff bout drug laws, people not pulling each other up, etc happens everywhere. The only thing I agree with is that in Atlanta we care more about the money, than the who's on top or running the game.
So true Im from the A as well and i def felt that vibe happening where they said if we gone rap we gone do it for the money and forget the beefing. Even tho like you said it still happens but that was the still the movement behind it. And it was so respected cuz it was black owned building up our folks, always was the larger picture
NY fell off because it's missing an era. Max B, Chinx, Stacks, Juelz, Uncle Murda, Maino, Shea Davis, Banks, Pap, J Hood, French, JR Writer, Mims, Saigon, and Vado was suppose to take NY to the next level. Due to unfortunate circumstances, it didn't happen. I call it the lost generation of NY rap. 🙏🏾
We have a whole new wave still runniing drip rap.We have not fell off it isnjust old heads stuck in the past.I am an old head but I fuck s with the new generation of HH of NYC.Kay flock,22GS ,Fivio,Lil TJ it is mad heat rocka in the city.Then we have Benny Griselda..I call bullshit on that we fell off
@@elliot2177 Yes we have relevant artist that cater to the younger crowd They do wat they do But let’s be honest Them guys are not on a level w the lil Baby’s or Gunna or Durk Because they following the trend created by other regions If I wanna hear drill imma listen to someone from Chicago If I wanna here about percs n pills and it’s lit every five seconds I will listen to Travis Scott or something The beats are all production from London So wat is really being added to the table??
When you listen to this same conversation from any group of any city around the world every group feels this same way and will say the same thing about where they grew up
The answer is simple as hell, The south made club music, dance music and party music. thats it. no other deep meaning or in thought thinking on it. new york was stuck on bars and being the hardest out, and around 2003-2004, everybody got computers and was able to access music outside of their region. and the south just came up with all these dance and catchy hook songs. thats it. plain and simple.
@@202STFU if you look at it, it is. Before the so called “south take over” all New York biggest songs was club records. Every hit and anthem was record you could play in the club. Around 04/05 ish the south was crankin out club music left and right and shit was hitting. Same time New York was really making music for the club like that and when we did, we swore it was south music. For example mims - this is why I’m hot.
Yup its that simple. Lol rap became popular music and that shit needs ti be simple and easily digested hence the d4ls and master p start winning. If you grew up on kane rakim biggie cube etc this shit was horrible to listen to. The music changed and bars got left behind. It is what it is
Born & raised in NY (LI Specifically) and I’m my opinion, Two words can answer the question; “arrogance” and “ego”. We think we run Hip-Hop since it started in NY (we don’t run it now & haven’t in a minute), and we rarely support each other; I know this cause I’ve heard this mentioned for years and yet it hasn’t changed much. It’s honestly sad that I know more young rappers from other regions and when I think of NY, the first names I think of have been around since I’ve been in middle school & I’m 30; and it’s sad cause I know there are some crazy dope artists who deserve the shine, but I’m confident they ain’t moving cause there are some people who refuse to give them that support based on which part of NY their from 🤷🏾♂️
One of many reasons why NYC fell off around mid 2000’s is because majority of black Americans( black Americans who descend from USA chattel slavery) are now not the majority of the city no more.. NYC is majority Caribbean.. a lot of the black Americans have moved down south or to New York State or Jersey.. plus Atlanta black wealth /politics is unmatched compared to NYC.
Thats facts, Im from Jersey with NYC roots and now our towns are getting gentrified in the north side of the state also. More African/Carribean and less FBAs in NJ and NY.
The politics and jobs down here can’t compare to NYC though. Up north we had unions with better retirement and medical benefit packages compared to down south. The medical benefits down south can’t match NYC plus you mention Union down south and everyone gets scared and afraid to speak up on their jobs but Not in NYC. They have better job security up north. The south has right to work states so they can easily fire you if they can. They can’t easily do that up north. The only thing the south has over NYC is the houses are more affordable but given the state of the economy, it’s gotten more expensive in the south.
@@Bcilloz Sure 30 years ago 😂😂 ! Unions don’t really exist any more ! Aka no job has medical benefits etc especially seeing how USA is heading in a government run health care system! However there is a resurgence in unions ! as for black Americans (descendants of USA chattel slavery) understand that majority of us live in the south & have always lived in the south ! So it only makes sense for hiphop to now be based in the south seeing how all the origins of hiphop comes from the south via great migration
Ppl need to understand that everyday ppl in the south support they local rapper as well unlike us here NYC.. Plus the environment is completely different to do so in the south... Shout out to the south for keeping rap music alive..
It's all the different beefs that were going on in NYC that made the south come in and take over. While NYC was beefing with each other, the south was making up tempo party records that ppl were having fun listening and dancing too. I'm from NYC but I was living in Miami from 96 to 99, I saw it first hand. By the year 2000 it was over for NYC.
I really think yall missed your own point...that last part really said it all. You said being from NY made you strong, thats the problem. Yall come out of NY and think you could talk and act like you still in NY. Everyone gotta learn how to humble they self. When you in someone else area you gotta respect how they do it and their strength. Yall not the only tough people everywhere got strong people.
Another reason the south took off because NY artist outside of only 5-7 artist only have 1.5 albulms to 2 summers on top. Its because they were propped up by labels and not a truely organic Underground grind. Most artist out the south that made it big traveled throughout the south Florida to cali and the mideest cultivaing their fan base, getting it out the mud. True independence grind. Boosie is huge cause he was in Mississippi, alabama, Tennessee every other week selling out small towns that he still can ho to today. He just sold out the largest venue in Jackson Mississippi, 3 weeks ago... because its like his second home. The biggest thing to happen in Southern rap is 3 stacks saying the South had something to say at the hip hop awards and the second was Master P shouting out small towns in the south that the big artist never said on their records. When trech was saying which cities were the craziest, Southern cats felt lefy out, but when P stamped Baton Rouge, jacktown, Shreveport and other small towns in the south, the south galvanized
Great discussion. It's sad to hear NYC competes in such a way. Being from the south early as a kid it seemed like NY was the place to be. Later as time went on the south began to shine and we are still holding strong. The culture itself is about uplifting the broader notion of southerness on a global stage so the cooperation between the stars here always felt natural. NYC will forever hold the crown in regards to lyricism and hip-hops golden age.
I'm from Texas, but when I was I the Army, I noticed early on that New Yorkers move different. Every single brotha I met from NY had a hustler's mentality and once they applied their hustle within the ethical, moral, and legal parameters of the Army --- they excelled. I do not know one single dude I met from NY that was a shit bag Soldier or is a shit bag man. I still can't really fuck with yall music but NY brothers I come across have always been solid.
Thank you! I grew up in the South and moved to NYC right out of high school and spent a great deal of my young adult life up there. Moved back and I noticed a huge difference in the brothas I met up there from that brothas they have down here. It’s seemed like nothing changed. Don’t get me wrong you got some good dudes down here but I find that brothas from up North are more apt to keep it 💯
The ending of NY was the G-unit era. 50 was beefing with everybody and wasn’t cliquing up with other NY dudes when he was the hottest artist on planet Earth. Cause during his reign, Wayne, Gucci, Jeezy, TI, Ludacris etc was just entering their primes. And Outkast was already out dominating in their own right too
Ppl need to stop with that 50 was beefing with everybody shit what 50 did with nothing new in NY cause during that same time T.i was beefing with Luda Flip and Shawty Lo then Gucci and Jeezy beef a lot of south beef at that time
As a New Yorker you’re saying facts New York City it’s not a black city and it would never be Everyone that black in New York City is either Hispanic Caribbean or African we don’t have black American culture in New York City
NEW YORK PEOPLE TALK ABOUT NEW YORK FALLING OFF LIKE IT JUST HAPPENED.. MANE NEW YORK BEEN FELL OFF AND WILL NEVER GET IT BACK....NEW YORK RAPPERS TRY TO RAP AND SOUND LIKE THEY FROM THE SOUTH NOW
The piece that's missing is that Southern beats have more appeal to the rest of the country because historically everybody outside NYC makes music for car trunks, but New Yorkers make beats for headphones and riding the train. It's what makes NYC unique in comparison to the rest of the country, which makes us stand out, but damages sales overall. But I also agree with the comments below that pointed out that NY fell off when we started trying to emulate other parts of the country, rather than holding onto our sound, which already had mad folks gravitating to us.
East Coast West Coast beef divided hip hop!! I remember in '95 everybody that wasn't from Boston down to DC was claiming West Coast. That's 40 states to 10!! The majority of the country is Mid West, West and Southern.
One reason the south excels is because of what that one brotha said he hated... We establish relationships. "Yes, Please, & Thank You" goes a looooong way outside of NY. Conversation and ethic. He may not be receptive to "how is your day"? But guess what, PEOPLE ACTUALLY RESPECT THAT SHIT OUTSIDE OF NY. They are receptive to it. It gets you opportunity and gets you heard..."a chance"
New Yorkers talk real complicated and people elsewhere struggle to understand the accent. The southern rappers get straight to the point with smaller words, so they get more radio play.
The Southern hip-hop takeover was inevitable. Think about when it happened. It started to happen during the dawn of the aughts, quietly and then by the mid aughts, there was no turning back. Look, this is all a corporate decision. The powers that be decides on what the general population will mass consume. Once they hacked off different styles and flavors of hip-hop, that's when problems started to surface. I needed Kris Kross just like I needed Public Enemy. I think the biggest mistake was phasing out knowledge hip-hop in the mainstream and replacing it w/ gangsta rap. That was the plan though. And then you had the wordsmith era shortly after and folks just grew tired of it (overall). Look, the majority of consumers want something easy-breezy. Majority rules. Southern hip-hop was generally easy-breezy and club-friendly. Club culture exploded during the Southern hip-hop takeover. Nobody wanted to be in the club listening to Keith Murray use a whole bunch of big, necessary words. Who wanted to pull out a fuckin' dictionary on a Friday/Saturday night? Nobody. Nah, what that did is basically dumb it down so low to where n¡ggas just got on record and started mumbling. And here we are today. Oh and FYI, the "Hip-hop is Dead" conversation is old enough to drive a car right now. In retrospect, I understand why East Coast brothas were so protective over the art form. Granted, ego and competition were key factors, but a lot of them foresaw what was to come and...well... Here we are today. N¡ggas is cryin' over this region and that region and this one ain't got no bars, etcetera. I just listen to what I've been listening to as a child and I keep it movin'. I'm completely satisfied listening to Guru, etcetera.
Very true, speaking facts. The industry milked the NY sound until it was "played" to the average consumer. And fly rhymes of NY rappers like Fabolous for example just didnt really do enough to keep everyone interested as much as they used to. Then the club and the south came unified. I'd also add that the ignorance of fans not taking time to find artists from all regions that they could mess with helped this divide to where Hi Hop / Rap culture wasnt that wasnt feeling each other and we let the labels just flood the radio with "hits"
It was a organic decision that became a corporate decision IMO when you look at the geography of the south... you got houston , dallas , atlanta , memphis , miami , charleston , charlotte , st louis , jacksonville and new orleans just to name a few what do these cities have in common ? most if not all of them have large thriving club scenes and they all have a very large african american population meaning these cities were and are major hubs for hip hop sonically new york hip hop didn't appeal to that club environment that boom bap shit wasn't the move and like you so eloquently explained in reference to keith murray mfs ain't tryna do algebra on the dance floor lol especially women people come to get drunk get lit and have a good time with they folk project pat and three six had them beats that made the club go up and everyone started catching on including the labels which is why alot of southern artist got major distribution deals around that time I also think the independent grind of southern artist helped further that cause as well I feel new yorkers were spoiled by the labels but the sound of the south was undeniable the production value in the south was vastly superior hell til this day 90s southern hip hop doesn't sound nearly as dated as new york hip hop from that era... pimp c was using live musicians in his sessions not samples I think they figured out that less is sometimes more and it served almost as the antithesis of the wordsmith era if you noticed the few new york acts that gained or maintained success outside NYC in the early 2000s to the early 2010s had a particular sound ( Dipset , ASAP MOB , 50 Cent , French Montana ) these dudes weren't super lyrical but they all had a great sound and production... the internet also leveled the playing field and sorta made radio irrelevant now you have access to every region of hip hop and all different types of artist but all in all it's no one reason why NY hip hop fell off but I feel confident in saying as a southerner I'm glad we got the batton and ain't lettin go I get a sorta twisted satisfaction watching new yorkers in shambles tryna figure out where it went wrong 😂
Music isn’t regional anymore , it’s worldwide because of the internet. Two biggest rap artists are from Canada and Baton Rouge that’s all you need to know. Anybody talking north south east or west is stuck in the past.
*A Ranking of the 4 Major Regions in the Rap Game From the Strongest Region to the Weakest:* -*#1 the South* : No region does it better, the most creative of the 4 major regions. No region is more diverse in terms of sounds and styles than the South, no region has created more Rap subgenres than the South and no region has had a longer reign than the South. -*#2 the East Coast* : This region has always found a way to stay relevant, even at times when they aren't the top region. -*#3 the West Coast* : The West has a noticeable lack of technically proficient rappers compared to the other regions which is a knock against that region from the perspective of stylistic diversity. They also tend to go through periodic droughts where they only have one or two rappers. -*#4 the Midwest* : The weakest of the major regions, the only region that has never had a reign. There's never been an era when the charts were dominated by Midwest artist or by a Midwest sound. The Midwest is also the only region that has never developed any identifiable sounds that represent their region which is a major blow from a production standpoint(The South has Crunk, Trap etc.; the East Coast has Break Beat, Boom-bap etc.; the West Coast has G Funk, Gangster etc.).
@@chinua317 Yes those are great midwest artist, the Midwest has had several great artist. However, the region has never dominated the charts as a collective as in holding down the most spots at the upper echelons of the charts at the same time. Also Drill is simply a geographic name for Chicago Trap, there's nothing original or distinct about it's sound. It uses the same hi-hat and Trap beats as Trap music and what is Detroit Street Rap?
@@bootneyleefarnsworth7307 the South came on started running in the mid to late 2000's, prior to that the East was reigning supreme... 1970's to the Mid 2000's is a hell of a stretch for the South to overcome. I will agree that for the last almost 20 years the South has been shinning.
Loool that's funny is hell they differently be leaving New Jersey and Philly Pennsylvania out of the loop and it's good rappers from both states that can rap especially Philly but new York been trying to hold the East cost on there own while the south has way more states and different south sounds when it comes to music
@kev smith *"Lol.. Why is New York considered the Whole East coast? How do other cities just not count up north?"* The east coast has always meant the northeast I don't know how you arrived at that conclusion. The east coast has most often been represented by rappers from New York, New Jersey and Philly.
@@bootneyleefarnsworth7307 I came to that conclusion based off the General Perception.. For instance the East Coast West Coast beef Was Really just California & New York Problems.. Somehow Cali speaks for the entire west coast and New York speaks for the entire East coast as far as Hip Hop is concerned is the general Perception!!
@@kevsmith4320 I've named other states or cities that have represented the east coast and Washington state has had some mainstream rappers as far as the west coast is concerned so is that the general perception or just your perception? Perhaps you aren't very familiar with the subject.
New York rappers lost their identity during the East Coast vs West Coast war in the 90's. Never really recovered from that if we're being real. Every body was trying to be "gangsta" / Death Row.
How did NY loose it’s identity during the East vs West war, when Jay Z, Ja-Rule & DMX arguably ran hip-hop in the late 90s into the early 2000s and then 50 Cent came?
@@bxboro4662 Everyone you just mentioned aside from Jay-Z, albums were modeled after the Dr. Dre / Death Row formula. Before them NY was far more diverse in it's subject matter and imagery. And NY's energy was far more responsible in respect to the black community. I'm from Cali, no NY artist dominated anything out here except for 50 Cent. NWA, Snoop, Dre, Cube, Warren G, Pac was in heavier rotation out here. The NY cats that was in true heavy rotation out here was Big, Puff, Ja, DMX, 50 Cent. Jay was not on the radio like that out here but his albums sold well. But that's not the point anyway- we are talking about identity. Listen to rap today... No diversity in sound. NY was the mecca back in the day. There was different styles popping out of NY almost every week back in the early 90's. And fashion. The Chronic was an atomic bomb on the industry. The genius of Jay-Z was his ability to stay in the mix with younger artists to this day and have a timeless style. Same with Nas. 50 Cent is another reason NY stumbled, constant BEEF culture. Which allowed the South to slide in and run shit. But the trap sound is about to end soon too. Everybody wants to be the new Tupac and it's getting tired.
This is true Trying to beat Cali at their own game Both coasts have gangsters Both have pure artists But when NWA hit All the record companies started to push the gangster thug image above the conscious and positive music
Im 50. I lived in dc in 70s and 80s. I spent my summers in northeast nc. I also have family in newark and flatbush. Spent many holidays there. I also have only lived in hbcu areas.... It started with the 95 south highway. There was gogo in md, northern va, and nc (md is the south). There is gogo in some hiphop songs. It started with luke and two live crew and bass music. Bass music was popular from southeast va thru nc, sc, ga, and fla.... The songs made you dance with catchy hook. Bass music took off from 88- mid 90s nationally. While attending a hbcu in mid 90s, I had a friend from the boroughs that came to visit me. The stereotypical NY negro. No diggity by blackstreet played. My friend LOVED singing that song. The song sounds southern. In the beginning of the 90s, teddy riley moved to va bch va. The neptunes were there. Teddy and the neptunes did rumpshaker (rumpshaker is a southern song). Kriss kross was southern. So so def put nails in the coffin. Dupri is very southern. Jazzy pha is Georgian. Nelly sounds southern but from the midwest. No limit and cash money and lil jon and ying yang twins....... And strip clubs. The south popularized black strip clubs. Sourthern hiphop is easier to dance to.
Lol, I was in the greyhound in NY and I asked a dude where he was headed to make sure I was in the right line to get on the right bus. He like "why you want to know where I'm going" all suspicious and shit. I was like "nevermind, I forgot where I was at"....
I always felt what caused New York to fall off was the same thing that caused rock to fall off. Disco sucks was a huge movement in the rock and roll community but by attacking disco, rock just delayed the eventual change in pop music. Every decade since rock music got less and less popular. In Hip Hop the same thing happened to New York, as different regions started to form their own sound the New York scene wasn't always welcoming to them. While New York stayed on top at the time it gradually lost it's grip on what was hip in hip hop. Hip Hop is like every genre of music, if it wants to last it needs to change and that change was coming from the south. All I remember hearing from the New York scene at the time that the south was coming up was how the south was fucking up Hip Hop, but the reality is that the genres that are no longer popular didn't go away overnight instead it was a gradual change in people's music taste and that genre being unwilling to change it's sound to meet in the middle. Hip Hop needed to change to survive as people's taste in music was changing. The New York scene was dismissive of the south at the time but it would go on to influence the future generations. Now that Hip Hop is global and now seen as the most popular genre, the southern style is the sound that most associate with Hip Hop.
Radio controls the narrative If you ask me NY fell off cause y’all said and say it did !! So many greats still living from NY and still make music blame y’all’s radio stations 🤣🥊🥊👊🏾
AtL Radio was not playing NYC artist at all from 2004 till this DAY !! only artist they just gave some play to and thts cause he got bodied was Pop smoke .
The south is where all the music genre come from And new York didn't want to sign people from the south So we created our own lane From jprince to master p and birdman Coach k and the musican And they was selling local music making bank independent
Yep...and there are a LOT of different sounds coming out the south. They still have the idea that only 3 people can be big, while the south is the home of the Chitlin Circuit (which isnt just small scale juke joints....but we still got them too😂) They also act like "lyricism" is all folks want to hear. "Hip hop" is an NYC phenomenon, while southern rap is its own music. Now NY is relying on immigrants with a gimmick that will go viral and get New Yorkers someone to cheer for
@@blac-mode Oh I heard him🤣🤣 Its one of the reasons that I refer to the NYC scene as "hip hop", and everything else as just rap music. They keep adding elements to hip hop, adding rules and regulations for what is hip hop, but keep the standards low if the person is an immigrant with funny hair🤣 The NY folks are MENTAL. Since I dove into the hip hop rabbit hole after Fat Joe lied, I have been shocked at what I have found🤣 They act like NY never made any club bounces, and that the ONLY good rap MUST be difficult to comprehend, or be filled with wit and wordplay (but only if you Black), or that if you got a southern accent, then you a "mumble rapper"....LAWD the egos! The Black folks up there also are more loyal to white folks on their label, and immigrants from NY, than they are to Black Americans from other regions. When I heard Rakin and 50 cent say Eminem was the best in their book, Nikki cosigning Ice Spice and Busta cosigning that weird African Tik Tok rapper...well...its easy to see why they fell off🤣
Top 3 reasons why NY Hip Hop fell off. 1. Ny radio and DJs stop playing Ny artists thus showing no love to the people in they own backyard. 2.Major biting of West coast gangsta rap, downsouth Trap musikand now Chiraq drill music sound. Ny Hip Hop doesnt have a sound any more thats why they adopting everywhere elses. 3. Disunity in beefing with each other thus not making music together which in case divides NY rappers.
New York rappers were arrogant, and looked down on southern rap/rappers… That’s why New York fell, they called southern rap TRASH… Like Pimpin’ Ken said… “You either humble, or you crumble!”
So when yall gonna say it? It's been 25 years and all yall said was Snap rap, crunk bullshit, mumble rap, lean drinking, drug addict rap, Soulja boy gimmick cornball shit etc...why you think everybody saying hip hop sucks now?
I think the reason the south has been so dominant is sheer numbers. There are just far more rappers coming from the south than from NY. NY is just one city/state, the south is a huge region, comprised of many cities/states.
Yes, the South has many rappers but very little substance. The reason why that is because the times have changed in South’s favor. Number one being that every trap artist down here sounds the same, looks the same, and has the same name with Lil this and Lil that. Hell I could call myself Lil Table and make a Sound Cloud Auto Tune track and bam, instant rapper. This copy cat culture was once called biting, which mind you, was once heavily frowned upon but now is widely accepted. Number 2, the music is no longer being judged for it lyrical content but how good the beat is. Number 3, the South has the advantage because of social media which allows for the music and the dances that accompany it, to spread like wildfire. So you’re not dominating anything. Its just that todays generation is willing to settle for anything that will grant them instant gratification.
NOOOO, (Long story short) NY is just super competitive and we feel like nobody can fuck with us, I mean who else outside of NY don't feel like that??? Hip Hop is supposed to be competitive, period! As far as The South and their run, I blame the record labels and radio stations - they control everything moving in music.. There used to be a balance, me being from NY, I listened to everything from The East, West and The South but then you just noticed the shift like right after Pac and BIG got killed... Then came Master P and Cash Money and their back n forth, after that it was a rap, lol... It was almost liked it was planned that way...
THANK YOU! It’s not that NY doesn’t collaborate…there have been plenty of those but mostly it’s about the competition and hustle…it kept the bar held high. This is entire NY vs South is just misunderstood. It’s two different areas. NY cats don’t vibe the same way southern cats do but there is a mutual respect there. It’s just two different cultures. South is all about clubs and sound and NY all about lyrics…Hip Hop was born in NY so it’s always been about competition and lyrics…even in DJaying and Break Dancing and tagging( graffiti) southern cats don’t understand those elements because clubbing is all they know. Its part of the southern culture going all the way back to Juke Joint clubs they use to have in the back woods. Ask your grand parents.
It’s way simpler than that. 50% of the Black population lives in the South. Once they figured out you don’t have to be from NY it was over. P took the independent Bay Area hustle to the south & gave them the blueprint & it’s been over ever since
Broke it down to the molecular structure brody lol 💯
Facts... so much better than listening to the emotions and nostalgia... Truth be told.
@@qigonglungz they can only explain from their understanding.
Facts
Preciate you giving the origin of P in the West. I’m from Detroit, but I like good information.
The Southern rappers were smart enough to work together and get bread together, not so much up north.
New York arrogance is the core reason
It's bigger as well.... NYC was just battling everything themselves...the south had music it was only a matter of time......NYC don't like nobody
new York cats 🐀 too much. am i lying?
💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾Atlanta Fulton County
Most southern artist didn't have labels next door to them so they had no choice but to support each other
The South was open to working with everyone and making music for the whole country. New York was focused on New York. I got a friend from
New Jersey and he even says New Yorkers don’t support Jersey artists. The South was open to work with and support everybody.
Real talk uou ever noticed when 25-cent was beefing with everyone from.NY Texas movement was up and coming but that only lasted probably a year and a half but still the south then TI and jeezy back then had the streets on 🔐 than wayne and all them passed all that drama up cuz they were unity and tryna mske money belive it or not he is part of the reason NY ain't the same like it used to but dosent take fault at it cuz he knows it's true plus ATL was on the rise since the early 00's ➕️ the 🔨 in the ⚰️ was when kanye beat him in 07 it was over for NY by then and than tried starting beef with wayne but he didn't have advantage everyone got tired of his stupid beef gimmicks to wear he has to troll in order to get attention and everyone has to sound like the south now
NY shamed the south smh baddd
But look @ ni! On the outside looking in
Bahahahahaha
EVERY CITY IN THE SOUTH IS NOT THE SAME! New Orleans is it's own city and we have our own culture and slang talk. When No Limit and Cash Money came out New Orleans was on the map! And New Orleans is the Birthplace of Jazz! So New Orleans been a musical city.
New Orleans is the creation of Jazz Music so yeah
Right. Everybody from up north think the south the same and we slow. But they come down here they get a rude awakening
Accurate.
You are super accurate! The South has to many styles but at the same time the same. N.O. Texas Florida Atl Memphis Mississippi and so on and so on.
Shit, every neighborhood is not the same 😂😂😂🤦🏽♂️
We knew they was making fun of our accents and not taking us seriously. At a certain point you have to stop caring and being so self-aware... we know we southern... once we got comfortable and let it all hang out, the money started flowing down here... we finally got over the embarrassment of loving any and everything about New York, only to be shit on and made fun of for trying to make music too... we didn't need that love no more... then the south took off... plus we always vibed more with the west, even the midwest...
Wrong
If you weren't here youre clueless. We bumped outkast ghetto boys etc. You're talking industry shit. Jay Z back in 99 was asked what his favorite shit was at the time. He said UGK. Stop speaking on history you don't know. You were told some shit and you believed it
Ya niggas be sounding like victims
That too.
I'm from BKNY, and Andre 3000 in my Top 5, but your right, Y'all got comfortable with yourselves, but being NY Brother, I always loved and Respected the Southern Hospitality. One Love, everybody get there shot, when you do, do the very best you can. Too whoever is reading, much Love and respect. Wish you nothing but Heaven. God Bless
I’m from the south and grew up on NY rap. NY lost their wave when the industry filtered and diluted their particular sound. It was unique.
Ummmmm.Go listen to Benny Lox still holding it down.We never fell off..The radio is just playing that mumble bullshit.
80s NY rap was authentic so was 90s but also mixed with the West coast you could say peak of hip hop. Then 00s only 50 was the only real one holding it down for NY but even then he was surrounded by southern cats started saying mayn. After pac and big died, you heard of guys like D4L, Lil John and songs like back that azz up and lil Wayne came up even though he’s from an old school era it’s all southern bs
You must be from Virginia
The industry was in NY, so they did it to themselves. They tried to emulate the South's sound. Trying to do that without understanding Southern culture is going to sound corny.
I also think arrogance did it too. Lot of NYers look down on other regions. They didn't learn from what the West Coast did to em in the 90s. Seems like all the other regions respected each other's music; NY was the only one that didn't.
Not true. They don't stick together
Nah
99% of New York niggas went down south at the end of the 90’s
Weren’t no more African Americans in New York no more to hold ny hip hop down
Everybody foreign up here now
It’s Carribean music
It’s over
Proud to be from the south ! Much love from Texas mane 🤘
Goin dine
People thought the South was just one big country. They didn't realize how many pockets it had. Florida took off then Houston, then New Orleans, then Memphis, then Atlanta, then back to Texas, then Mississippi the Carolinas, Alabama, then back to Atlanta then back to Florida. These places all had distinct sound, lingo and histories. One of the other big reasons is because New York's Underground Music started talking to itself. The Wu-Tang the Boot Camp Clik and others was not as universal as the earlier artist out of New York, but they became popular music for the world. Other regions had to listen to the earlier New York artist because we didn't have our own voice. This is the same thing thats happening with Underground Atlanta artist. The world is having to listen to artist from Atlanta and the south that werent ment to be heard by the whole world.. The West was growing but the west was also talking to it own music at one point. New York was too cerebral and rapping over pings and bings for beats. The true hip hop head wanted to decode lyrics, but the new fans didn't want to have to do algebra on the dance floor. The bragadocious, i, i, i, battle rap style of rap was dying and NY wasn't adapting face enough. The West was too one-dimensional... the pure funk sound was not universal and groups like souls of mischief wasn't at the forefront nationally like the should have been...the South early on had the beats and a good amount of lyricism. The South music was fun and heartfelt so we touch the soul of people with the live music/funk/blues/ r&b and tribeal sounding drum patters. It was closer to the origin of hip-hop with African Bambaataa and party music for blocks and Burroughs. After a while the demise came in the lose of NY identity and evolution of music.
The west was universal, none of you niggas from the south or east were recongnized in pop culture like the west, most of the classic black hood movies are based on the west, gangster rap was popularized by the west, they even had a fuckin video game (gta San Andreas) based on west coast culture, the west coast in its prime was different. I will agree the west sound was kind’ve one dimensional however they’re sound was was universally recognized, i would argue that the west coast in the 90s was more popular then any era New York or any city in the south had.
@@darianp2294again NY music was universal because it started hip hop and by the time the West hit, the third wave of NY was there. This was true Underground rappers that were not Pop music, but it was the Popular music cause it was from NY and label backed. Its the same way you would consider early southern music our Popular music, but know the music you here is southern Underground that is Popular. The world wasn't supposed to hear slim thug, Gucci, the same way Boot Camp click and Wu (beside meth)
You nailed it
Wu tang not universal Nigga are you crazy you got nigga In china and Japan tryna be like nyc Lmfaooooooo
@@darianp2294 again the world wasn't supposed to hear half of the Souths underground music they here now. The reason they are hearing that underground South music and it's considered popular music is because the internet helped to expand the borders of the South. As I said earlier one of the main reasons is because the South was bigger than what most people thought and two and no one was able to snatch you away from the south. The West Coast snatched it away from east while New York was starting to crumble, the South snatched it away from the the East and the West after biggie and Pac died. The Midwest sprinkled their flavor in a little bit but they were too contingent upon the west and the east to show their own full identity. Detroit in St Louis were the only two cities in the Midwest on a certain level, but Detroit had a lot of its foundation out in the west with Eminem and the rest of the cities identity will share with New York style rap. Chicago what's spitting at the industry like a semi-automatic but none of the cities rallied together to stamp the Midwest. As I said has been able to snatch it away from the south so you're hearing underground and hardest after underground artists after underground artist that has become popular music. 21 Savage was never supposed to see the light of day on a national level.
NY rappers spent the early 2000's and 2010s trying to out-rap each other. The South dominated during this time because they MASTERED writing catchy songs that were memorable. Jay Z was able to maintain during those times because he mastered BOTH. He's nice with the pen AND he is a hook GENIUS. MIMS and Dipset got the memo early. French Montana, Bobby Smurda, ASAP Ferg and countless others followed suit. Southern production and simple hooks became the draw and eventually the industry standard.
Yea you right they thought that in the 70's to until people got tired of hearing it to much of anything gets old and eventually those simple songs tend to get old fam. But enjoy that cake though. It expires when all there is, is vanilla.
NY artist spent most of the time beefing with each other. Instead of supporting and possibly helping each other, the dumbA** goons were hating on each other. The west coast, mid west and the south just took that sh**. Example; Mobb Deep and Prodigy was one of the best representations of NY to the fullest but his peers treated him like sh** until the day he died. Even after he died.
Naw jay was able to sustain because of Beyoncé he can rap too but he was almost outta here after ether Beyoncé saved his career bruh
@@jomarcoliverman4971 if we being honest majority of people don’t really mess with jay’s music it was always him business side that people liked
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Smh U just yapping music has changed because the generation change duhhhhhh so who cares if u ain’t jamming to it smh imma keep real this generation doesn’t control the music it’s gen z lol
Hoffa will never be on like that because dude came and left MF in his 40s and that bs intro talks about the same thing these young niggas speaking on lol
What ppl don’t realize is that the south is still run by DJ’s Crews. Production crews. Most the artist are coming out the same camps. They bubble on the low and once one gets on, they all get on. I’ve engineered so many sessions where any star might pull up and the whole studio becomes a vibe.
Best answer I've seen. The lack off production teams has really hurt the post 2000 NYC rappers
Southern rap took over also because their music is about freedom, having fun, and not always about battling, going the hardest, and being the best (even though some of that just comes naturally). It was time for a change. Also New York vs. Southern rappers have a different way of putting things and have experienced life differently. OutKast has some of the toughest, and I mean the toughest, coldest lyrics of all time!! Lyrics that make you think and reminisce. And you would be like (in my southern accent), "That sho' did happen like that though". 😊 #DirtySouth
Exactly what the Jews need to get the world to where we are now lol…degeneracy …that’s the real fact about it
Them execs went down south cause they seen a market similar to the chitlin circut but pushin what new and pac started
I been saying it for years .. The South really does run Hip-Hop now .. Once they figured out you don’t have to be from NY to be a successful rapper it was over !
South killed hip hop
The south created blues r&p jazz country and many other genres which help create hip hop learn your history!@Dmaj089
1. The emergence of the south started when Big & Pac died and Master P came and dominated the business immediately thereafter (late 90’s).
2.The New York infighting -> (50 went at everyone in NY from 03 to 05) , Nas and Jay beef , Cam going at Nas , Terror Squad infighting was a big part of the downfall .
3. New York ego -> Not respecting the talent of the south back then made the south go harder . 20 years later the south still dominates hiphop .
4. The industry shifted to sign more southern artist when they saw the south getting big money -> Def Jam South , Cash Money Records dominance (30 years in the business) , and Atlanta brought new artist, fashion styles and beats to the mainstream.
This is the most accurate explanation I've heard other than my own... I'm from Texas
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@@pirex6674 same here and I completely agree Master P changed how artists got paid and understanding their own value
@@spencewhite9215 Master P got that game from the West.
MUSIC IS UNIVERSAL
STOP MAKING THIS TO HARD
SMART DUMMIES
Naaa dont blame it on the drugs.. Dude in the camo is 100% right! Yall greedy & extra selfish. You dont get no where being rude & disrespectful. Yall vibe is ALOT more respectful than it was 10/20 yrs ago cuz yall see the south took over with grace. Thats why there’s a thing called “southern hospitality” The position of power will always fall or return to the purest hearts. Change yall energy.🎯
Absolutely, New York hip hop was on some total bullshit. Now they are gangbanging, southern slang using, drill music making confused fools.
@@themostsecretscience6409 were you here. Yall some I was told some shit. Never came here but don't know what was happening on the hip hop scene. Fyi. Rappers didn't make the decisions on signing people. Execs did
And most were white.
We can say the same about the southern niggas
Yeah southern rap just had a better energy ... Was fun...New York rap was hella gloomy for the most part
@@themostsecretscience6409 the younger generation you're right as far as 90's babies or millinials.
The South put a chokehold on the industry and never let go
All black American musical genres came from the south because majority of black Americans live in the south that’s our national state, so this should not be a surprise
*Hip Hop Lesson from the South*
Being born and raised in Mississippi, I remember back when NY music DOMINATED the radio stations down here. We knew every artist, every verse, and every word they ever spit. And when Biggie said "from the Mississippi down to the East Coast" in Juicy. That one bar/shout out started a whole movement down south. We started getting old tape recorders meant for recording school lectures and started making our own music using homemade instrumentals we made by looping the last part of a track before the song went off. A lot of us had parents or uncles who played in Blues or Gospel bands who helped us create our own original tracks. One of the pioneer southern hip hop rappers was Memphis rapper Playa Fly with song titled "Crowning me". We soon realized that this new blues influenced rap style created a new Southern Hip hop sound, like what Sugarhill Gang's "Rapper's Delight" did in New York.
Talk that shit homie. Jackson mississippi big homie
Nobody on the East listen to yall we not even listening to radio we don't care
But what really stamped it was what Outkast did at the Source and ever since then the South been on top
Wow that's interesting and more stories like this would be helpful instead of the division all the time
Here in Boston we have that New York hip hop 90s sound and, gutta rap
Of course there’s younger rappers who do drill music but mostly in Boston the rap music is similar to hardcore rap and large professor type boomrap
NYC went from being the standard to being followers. Gangbanging, slang, and flows all sound transplanted. Being from the Midwest we peeped the shift of power in the rap game before it even happened because we noticed how arrogant NYC cats was moving. Only so long can you get by like that
Have you noticed a bit of this arrogance coming from the south lately?
@@veautifulstranger quite a bit. As if they don't see their imminent demise
@Natural Immunity yup. Pride cometh before a fall. I was enjoying big gipp of the goodie mob's recent interviews on the art of dialogue platform but all of a sudden in the middle of it he got very self aggrandizing in touting the South as the supreme holders of hip-hop and claiming all these artists who aren't even actually from Atlanta or the South and some cases as being better than anyone's that New York could put up.
The south got that music you can feel… I mean really really feel… shit hit different…
From my point of view, I feel like Southern rappers have a better/easier time collaborating with one another. East coast dudes be CRAZY standoffish when it comes to the collabs.
Absolute facts!
I'm from NY their egos are way too big and a lot of them felt like the younger ones coming up were competition instead helping them shine. Also a lot of artist from NY when it was transitioning didn't know how to adapt to a new sound and relied on radio spins
Plus there beatz are more vicious.......NYC doesn't have a core sound....the south got that club feel......we all love the club.....lo....NYC is weird ...
#### ATLANTA 2 BROOKLYN....
MUSIC IS UNIVERSAL
STOP MAKING THIS SO HARD
PLUS MOST CAME FROM THE SOUTH
@@SVGIN exactly NY doesn't know how to adapt
I’m from Louisiana I love how we was unified but I also hate how they just co-sign anybody. I love the competition and it’s nothing wrong with wanting to be the best. We need balance
From Texas with love for New York 💪🏽
It's crazy cuz it was alot of great artists in the early 90's from the south that only got regional play but they were gods in those regions. Shout out to JT Money and the Poison Clan. One of Biggies favorite groups
I’m from New Orleans and I saw the shift. NY started this hip hop shyt and mad respect to all the fore fathers but the South saw that and said we not gonna move like this! At the end of the day it’s all good. Love is love. No Limit/Cash Money put on so many cats. ATL showed the most love to their own. But I ain’t gon front….Roc Marciano, Griselda and many others brought that hip hop back.
Shout to the N.O.! Spitta favorite Rapper of all time, love from the Bay Area
Cash money and no limit made crash out music
One word "UNITY" 💯
That’s a fact about the attitude and the patience. I didn’t realize how bad my attitude was until I went out of state for college
You're not the only one..no patience.🥴🥴🥺🥺🥺
It was also a bit of NYC arrogance. They said the south was dumb and country, west coast couldn’t rap, everyone but them was soft, etc. So while their noses was in the air, the left and third coast did their thing. The west coast fully embraced the south when NYC looked down on us. And once we realized that you could sell and tour from Texas to Virginia and never need to go north to get money, it was a wrap.
New York rap didn’t evolve! Ppl will always support something new, the south had so many sub genres in rap like crunk, trap, pop rap groups like OutKast, even today southern rap is more versatile and evolved. Jay Z made death of the auto tune. New York has been following waves instead of creating them. Like New York drill.
New York Rap fell off due to creative stagnance . Hip-Hop fans are always looking for the next new sound or way of rapping and the South is always changing and evolving. The South also has a much larger black population than New York/the East Coast meaning it has a larger pool of talent.
NYC black population is bigger then any city south bro,
@@MrHnic95 New York is one city...there're way more blacks in the South than in New York or even the East Coast in general.
@@MrHnic95 nyc is immigrant central
@JaySavage_Sosa it is, but NYC has a larger American blacks population then southern cities
@@MrHnic95 *"In 2019, the South was the region with the highest share of the country’s Black population, with 56% of this population living there. The Midwest and Northeast each held 17% of this population, while the West was home to one-tenth of the Black population."*-- The Pew Research Center
I swear this is the most informative channel for people like me who love hip hop/rap.
One thing about the South we gone stick together we been running the game for while now. Fuck that competition shit everybody eat.
Thats how you win.. I,am with you with this one bro.
@@jamaabdikarimjama7582 nah real rap you gotta stick together
I honestly feel like we lost our control over hip hop here in ny because after it being around for so long new generations grew up with hip hop and now there’s artists from all over the country. The artists and the ppl who are from the south, Midwest, and west more closely relate to each others style and listen more to each others music. All of those other regions together outnumber us here in ny and the north east so they decide the radio trends etc., here we got a wayy different culture (every region has its own swag but the other regions are a little more similar, I’ve been to a lot of states all over and they were all crazy different from ny/east coast mentality and culture). Also I think one of the big reasons NYers have always been so competitive with each other a little more than other places because we’re a giant city that’s divided into 5 giant boroughs and that breeds a big competitive feel on a citywide level. it’s also just a naturally crowded, fast paced, every man for themself arrogant type of place here.
Honestly the competition between MCs in NYC set the bar high and actually made better music. As an visual artist myself, I’m like, how can I top what this other artist put out or how can I make different. It truly made everything that much better. And now we have a market that’s over saturated with the same beats, same cadence of repetitive dumbed down lyrics, and almost the same names…hell even the sane looks…almost every mumbler has dreads. There virtually nothing to differentiate one mumbler from the next but unfortunately it’s todays accepted medium.
Smartest response in these comments!! 💯
The South can make it anywhere 🤴🏿🤴🏿🤴🏿
New York not having unity is what happened. Oh your arrogance. The crazy thing is that the arrogance is what makes y’all such dope MC’s
Get a life....you wouldn't even be on this topic if it wasn't for us..I m showing everybody love today..u need a hug
There were many elements that caused the downfall, including the fact that the South began to dominate club and party culture (and NY accents lack the natural rhythm that best complements faster paced drum patterns in party music) but most of all, the genre was due for a change. All genres shift in sound eventually, the difference is most genres aren't heavily tied down by region like rap is.
Exactly down south is about the vibe of the song not the lyrics themselves but if u can complement the beat with good lyrics than even better
5:35 “tragic guliani stop the drugs , while the south was making money” 🙄 such an ignorant asf northerner!! Majority of black Americans wealth is in the south!! Atlanta black wealth class has always been unmatched & grew unstoppable since Maynard Jackson (1st black mayor) took office in 1973 and made sure 25% minimum of all city contracts went to black Americans!! A lot of those businesses help fund the entertainment industry
Down here ain't no one on one's we came together we leave together 💯.. .perspective ..southern mentality.
I’m a Brooklyn guy born and raised, but now living in Tampa FL. Moved down south right at the time the South took over. The single most reason for NYC losing the top spot, and the south taking it is because NY dudes are the biggest haters in the world. NYC dudes hate on other NYC niggas, and hate outsiders even harder. While NYC heads was occupied with doing shit for dolo, and not breaking bread with each other, the south didn’t stop breaking bread with each other. Wasn’t uncommon for Houston to rock with Atlanta or vice versa and so on. NY’s biggest enemy was themselves, and now NYC artist can’t really get they shit off unless they sound like they from the south. Crazy to think that a whole region got fronted on, and now that same region is responsible for leading the pack, and has set the bar.
Compared to the South and other regions New York Rap has always been more reliant on sampling as opposed to creating your own distinct dope sound. Tighter copyright laws made sampling less accessible and New York fell off because they couldn't adapt or change with the times. No new sounds or trends have come out of New York since the 90s.
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Period. Down south is about the vibe to the music not the lyrics. We like beats, dancing and gangsta shit not just pure lyrics
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@@mikedizzle5804yeah but yall got r&b and shit for that. RAP. Rhythm and POETRY. Hip hop IS lyrics this southern shit is country/r&b whatever yall wanna call it
The south initially was not accepted by NY, that was the spark that lit the fire. Nowadays NY sounds like the south.
NJ. To these brothers is informative but sad. When I left Nj to go to Texas in 1983 I was floored at how loving and inviting people were in Houston and surrounding Texas towns. Whenever I flew into Newark my wallet went in my front pocket, my guard went up and I had to stop speaking to folks. After 2 Christmas breaks I knew that was no way to live. Listening to these cats is surreal and sad that a city can make you so cold and callous that it fosters a fuck you mentality.
I feel you. It reminds me of the EWF lyric from "That's The Way of The World": 'A child is born with a heart of gold/The way of the world makes his heart grow cold'.
I've been in the music business for over 40 years what ruined the rap game was directed labels they wanted to create everybody to be like somebody who was hot that's what ruined the game in New York they looking for the next Jay z the next biggie and also the same guys like puffy ruined the industry people better start giving Damon dash his due respect he's the only one who fought for his artist and made them all millionaires that's a fact
Hell i alwas wondered was Grand daddy I U and father MC clones of Big daddy kane, pushed by labels.... I liked grand daddy IU... but bith felt like a ploy to get money out that lane. So it didn't start at the south
@@dangelowash1183 Cold Chillin and Biz was definitely trying to recreate Kane with Grand Daddy IU
Preach! People always dick ride on cats like Puffy who were just looking to mold artists to fit their mainstream pop narrative while DAME was actually the man, a cat who refused to be bossed and be any body's bitch he was his own boss and he actually wanted to put people on the game and help them make bread. Idgaf about Puffy or JAY egotistical ass, the realest business men in hip hop are MASTER P and my man DAME DASH!!!
Easy OutKast! Lyrics, beats and a new look that people could relate to better.
Life Long New Yorker..70s baby..been a true Hip Hop fan since I was a child..one of the reasons NY fell off was the arrogance that we had. Since we originated this from the very beginning some how, some way we thought we would never lose the reigns of rap..sitting with that intergalactic ego and pride..like we could not lose. But guess what we did. The West Coast had something to say in the form of NWA, E-40, King Tee, Ice-T, Spice 1 etc. Than the South had something to say in the form of the Geto Boys, UGK, Eight Ball and MJG, Goodie Mob and Outkast etc. And they took the ball running. And didn't drop it at all. They definitely kept a reign on rap for quite some time. One thing the West and South do consistently is put their people that they love on. When Snoop dropped "Doggystyle" in the 4th quarter of 1993 he had quite a few people on his CD, Lady Of Rage, Daz and Kurupt, Warren G., RBX (im missing a couple of people) but their mentality was, once I'm on we are all going together. NY didn't have that mentality for some time it came much later..but too late in my opinion. NY still looking for those glory days..but that time has passed..definitely happy for that. There is enough money and fame for every one out here..being selfish only costs you more than you're willing to give in the end. One Love Y'all.
Ny got too cerebral and its underground artist that spoke 100% NY became the worlds Popular music. Its the same thing that is happening with atl artist. Truth betold, the world was never supposed to hear WU, bootcamp click, mob or Mop. Same way the wold is not supposed to hear half of the 4th generation of rappers out the south that are speaking nothing but ATL lingo yo the world. I will say arrogance, cause NY thought the South was slow and just one big country. They got out hustled by southern indi artist while the we're hopping for a deal.
Well first and foremost all these rappers sound the same and rap about the same shit! The shit is watered down. This generation don't have true lyricist, it's a bunch of lullaby rappers on hot beats
[ Pigmeat Markham let's have some heat ] Type that in and listen to this rap song that came out in 1958. Pigmeat Markham is from the South. He's from North Carolina. He was rapping in the South long before he moved to New York, The Bronx that is. And I heard other people tell me that they grandparents and great grandparents use to tell them that people use to rap over the Blues in juke joints throughout the South way before the late 60s and early 70s. SO THE REAL REASON WHY NEW YORK LOST IT TO THE SOUTH IS BECAUSE IT REALLY ORIGINATE DOWN HERE TO BEGIN WITH. GOD IS JUST SHOWING US WHERE IT REALLY ORIGINATED FROM.
You should be arrogant tho you had the best emcees that battling made dudes sharp. You think a d4l coulda come outta new york. The south dumb hip hop down except for a few artist but 80% of southern rap is trash
@@janga75 the industry dumbed down rap. Now the issue is that NY got too cerebral.... and was talking to NY. The lingo and everything was on a nationally platform but it didn't represent all of the world as the other regions got their voice. Sorry to say, some people like to have fun some people hated the slamming it to the swerer type of rap when they loved sugar hill and Bambaataa. That is what the south gravitate to early on, hence the beats. Its just the style and lingo is not NYs now on a national platform. People hate when their ball gets taken and they can't get it back. Ny didn't evolve. Period.
Its not NY fell off, the south started making music that sound tremendous in clubs. All the melodic baseline, people stopped caring about bars. It started with Ludacris, he was the first to dumb it down because before him southern rappers were spitting bars. Then all the drugs an lean thrown into the mix, people ain't trying to study what NY rappers were saying. Plus chicks ain't trying to read a dictionary to understand what a brother saying, but simplify the wordplay and make the beats catchy now you got a problem because chicks buy more music than brothers do. Plus NY cats we're always beefing with each other, diss records become boring after a while, especially when it affects the vibe in the city!
Well said. I'm 48 year old Blackman who grew up in St.Louis during the Golden era of hip hop. I'm well verse in most genres of music having a uncle who played the sax and was on the New York jazz scene of the 60s thru the 80s. And I just luv musicianship over entertaining for the masses. I love that Rakim, LL, Brother J, Krs 1?, Special Ed and the such were so young yet had the vocabulary of a college professor. I just can't get with the current thing they call hip hop. I hate its so low brow and so simplistic in rhyme style and subject matter. Its a terrible influence on our youth in our communities. I know there is some artists who purvey positivity and most are underground. But in the late 80s you had such a variety in styles and no one sounded alike. And it was about who was the dopest and had the best skill set on the Mike. Now if you didn't care about lyrical skill set you still had the 2 live crew or Too Shorts of the world but even those acts could put out some good material. You had a wide range of styles that were showcased in the mainstream and you still had a viable underground scene. Damn you had to live thru it to understand why my generation gets so sentimental about 80's and 90's hip hop.
The majors figured out that southern artist are cheaper
Why did nicki Minaj and Canadian have to go go the south to get hot lol
Nah Luda been spitting bars. Dont nobody wanna battle luda. But i hear what you saying.
@@MrWARBUCKS24 NOBODIES TALKIN BOUT THAT ( WHISPER VOICE).
The beats were fire, the avg person could relate to the South, West etc. I'm from NYC and I'm all about lyricism all day but I know that lyrical miracle vibe aint going too far in clubs or even in the streets...Hov was lyrical but his singles were built for radio, BIG too...
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You must be young
Jay Z is not lyrical. He's not even top 20.
@@sevens732000 lol...I'm 49😂
You must feel dumb...and I'm 100% sure you're young lol
@@sevens732000 Correct. This is like someone saying Kenny G is better than Coltrane.
Knowledge of Self stop being prevalent in East Coast music…..to me that was kind of the glue …..not just “conscious” rap ….but just a certain dignity and culture ………you see rappers like AZ, Nas, Busta Rhymes still having longevity ………also it’s more than just the south that’s like that ….Lived near the Bay Area and it’s the same ….of course they have there beefs but as a whole they about the movement…….
The fall of New York was 50cent beefing with all of NY, while sounding Southern with Dr. Dre at the helm of the beats. He literally divided NYC and was beefing with all top NY artists. The drama became the forefront then the music. Also, NY was sounding like everything but NY. We lost who we are and don't know our history. A civil war and NYC doesn't have legit good programming anymore. Also, NYC corner everybody was rapping and wanted a deal. Now, NYC is about being something or someone else instead. Be yourself.
NY was already divided by time 50 blew radio stations wouldn't even play a song if dj's from another station was mentioned on the songs
@@MrWARBUCKS24 alot of NY artists even said it; 50 is part of the downfall...... he beefed with everyone.....he is responsible for the isolation and crumbling of NYC. Ebro/50 killed NY hiphop. Did not groom NY rap talent. Asap influence by Houston why- Ebro was playing everything else but NY. 50 had leverage......biggest artistand on a great label Interscope. We can disagree!
@@MrWARBUCKS24 Can you imagine if Nas, JayZ and Puff held a New York Hiphop conference to align and unite the NYC artists during that time.......50Cent as well could have united. The egos/beefs and lack of respect for the craft all play a part. Ebro is not from NY and is part of the dismantling of NY Hot97- the lack of NY representatives on Radio is slim and some who are don't have the veteran status to make suggestions/comments.
@@rosierose4022 NY had a lot of shit going on behind the scenes before 50 blew hot 97 wouldn't play certain NY artist because of personal beefs they say 50 name because he's a easy scapegoat. The radio personalities becoming record execs did more damage then 50. Also look at the age of the new NY rappers they grew up in the internet more exposure to other regions music so of course they're gonna have different influences
“While sounding southern with Dr. Dre” only mf that sounds more NY on a track than 50 is maybe Joe 😂 That is not a southern sound, that was a “shot in the face and had recovered” voice affected, NY sound. NY doesn’t have to fall for the industry to grow, everyone talks like it’s WWII about this subject 😆When mfs figured out it could be done their way (which is kind of the whole idea of rap music) the music and the industry evolved accordingly. That doesn’t sound like much of a downfall to me, that and there wouldn’t be much competitiveness in rap history if not for a shake up like that. When it grows that progress, when it stays where it’s at is stifling progress - no matter how dope we might think/know in our minds a certain era is. Fact is, some of NYs best competitive track history comes out of stuff like that (minus the drama with violence and losing people). Complacency is what helps a genre fade out, Jazz and Opera being a perfect example. You might hear Blues and you might hear R&B, Rock or even Country, but think about how rare it is and how unlikely you are to see anyone bumping Jazz on any public radio forum. Maybe culturally in some places, but usually even that is live music. Point is, the success of southern rap music and the “downfall of NY” have nothing to do with each other. That’s like saying that purified bottled water sales (NY RAP) being affected by Gatorade (50) has something to do with spring water (the south). 50 definitely caused a ruckus, but that’s not on the south and I don’t even get where that came from. If they kept it in NY, it wouldn’t have grown past a certain point because you need diversity - it’s like how dining out used to be the only restaurant fix until fast food happened and yeah, people talk crap about fast food - while they’re in line to get it. To each their own, I guess. I don’t disagree with the fact that he was a big figure in that picture
First off... We need to build our own infrastructure around our arts and communities!!
@@seanyoung9014 we didn't understand the business. We still don't understand how we are an entity as a people in a capitalist society, as black people we are a brand and the brand is poorly managed and represented.
@@seanyoung9014 not going to say it s to late but who going to lead the charge. At this point you need someone like Jay, Wayne, Drake to start it
Here is my take from both sides of the scope.
I was born in the south and raised there until 14. In 1984, the prime of hip hop and being a b boy. Moved to Philly right after school ended. Every weekend would visit my aunt in Flatbush that summer. And would take the train up during school or whatever.
After high school, went to school back in the south. And stayed after graduation and moved to NY in 1997 when my firm transferred me.
It’s like anything else. My started it all, and I can tell you, even in Philly, during that time it was about who is the best MC. I’m just speaking rap. My dudes think about who is the best Mac. By time the south caught on, it was a money game. The south weren’t truly poppin with solo MC’s. It was groups. No limit, OutKast, goody Mobb, Cash Money.. my rappers had the ego that”this is where it started, and if you got it, you don’t need to link up with anyone else”. I’m not talking about when rap started getting play on white radios. I’m talking that period between mid 80’s to 95ish before the whites started hitching to the wagon.
THE EAST COAST AND WEST COAST WAS FIGHTING OVER THE 👑 AND THE SOUTH PICKED IT UP AND NEVER LOOKED BACK 🤴🏿🥇💰
Now the south got the worst rappers period
@@MrTD714 THATS EVERYBODY THEN b/c they BITING THE SOUTH STYLE so ain't NOBODY ANY GOOD 🤔
@@ogarchielee9880 Hey I'm from North Carolina and I'm 35 years old and in North Carolina we have MCs like J Cole who rap in an East Coast culture like Phonte and Little Brother, they've been around since The 2000s. North Carolina has a different sound and vibe from most other places in the south, North Carolina is East Coast by the way, it's just a few states lower than New York and Philly on The East Coast side of The U.S map but I rap for North Carolina and The South though so I love The South.
@@VoidDweller86 North Carolina is the south. Jus like Atlanta right next to NY but it’s southern af.
@@hassanx9423 North Carolina is also East Coast it’s just part of the South-Eastern part of USA compared to New York which is part of the North-Eastern part of East Coast
Too many egos in New York rap because they was too busy getting at each other on mixtapes,interviews,etc Egos killed NY rap IMO not the South.
guess yall dont know , but thats what Hip Hop is .
This!
@@JDiggiti I get what you're saying but that's what NY Hip-Hop is. I think the disconnect here is that Hip-Hop (sub-culture) is not the same in every region. I think if we all understood that, we could understand and respect each other better.
It's really simple. NY was the only game in town at one point, then the world opened up to accept other cultures that were cool. Fans went from wearing Tims to rocking Chucks and gangbanging just bc the West Coast took over. Other cultures (Houston, LA, Chicago, Atlanta, etc) were introduced to Hip Hop and the fans loved it. NY didn't keep up. Atlanta is black culture, and black culture is hip hop. That's why Atlanta is in the driver's seat. All that other stuff bout drug laws, people not pulling each other up, etc happens everywhere. The only thing I agree with is that in Atlanta we care more about the money, than the who's on top or running the game.
So true Im from the A as well and i def felt that vibe happening where they said if we gone rap we gone do it for the money and forget the beefing. Even tho like you said it still happens but that was the still the movement behind it. And it was so respected cuz it was black owned building up our folks, always was the larger picture
SON is absolutely correct NY NJ need more unity!
NY fell off because it's missing an era. Max B, Chinx, Stacks, Juelz, Uncle Murda, Maino, Shea Davis, Banks, Pap, J Hood, French, JR Writer, Mims, Saigon, and Vado was suppose to take NY to the next level. Due to unfortunate circumstances, it didn't happen. I call it the lost generation of NY rap. 🙏🏾
Facts
Lost generation
Excellent point!
We have a whole new wave still runniing drip rap.We have not fell off it isnjust old heads stuck in the past.I am an old head but I fuck s with the new generation of HH of NYC.Kay flock,22GS ,Fivio,Lil TJ it is mad heat rocka in the city.Then we have Benny Griselda..I call bullshit on that we fell off
@@elliot2177
Yes we have relevant artist that cater to the younger crowd
They do wat they do
But let’s be honest
Them guys are not on a level w the lil Baby’s or Gunna or Durk
Because they following the trend created by other regions
If I wanna hear drill imma listen to someone from Chicago
If I wanna here about percs n pills and it’s lit every five seconds
I will listen to Travis Scott or something
The beats are all production from London
So wat is really being added to the table??
@@Synchronite Durk from Chi not south and NYC took over drill which is the dominating force in HH.Lil Baby isnt drill.Nor is Gunna.
When you listen to this same conversation from any group of any city around the world every group feels this same way and will say the same thing about where they grew up
The answer is simple as hell, The south made club music, dance music and party music. thats it. no other deep meaning or in thought thinking on it.
new york was stuck on bars and being the hardest out, and around 2003-2004, everybody got computers and was able to access music outside of their region. and the south just came up with all these dance and catchy hook songs.
thats it. plain and simple.
Nah its not that simple but go head
@@202STFU if you look at it, it is. Before the so called “south take over” all New York biggest songs was club records. Every hit and anthem was record you could play in the club.
Around 04/05 ish the south was crankin out club music left and right and shit was hitting.
Same time New York was really making music for the club like that and when we did, we swore it was south music. For example mims - this is why I’m hot.
Yup its that simple. Lol rap became popular music and that shit needs ti be simple and easily digested hence the d4ls and master p start winning. If you grew up on kane rakim biggie cube etc this shit was horrible to listen to. The music changed and bars got left behind. It is what it is
Southern blacks stick together
Preach!!!
Born & raised in NY (LI Specifically) and I’m my opinion, Two words can answer the question; “arrogance” and “ego”.
We think we run Hip-Hop since it started in NY (we don’t run it now & haven’t in a minute), and we rarely support each other; I know this cause I’ve heard this mentioned for years and yet it hasn’t changed much.
It’s honestly sad that I know more young rappers from other regions and when I think of NY, the first names I think of have been around since I’ve been in middle school & I’m 30; and it’s sad cause I know there are some crazy dope artists who deserve the shine, but I’m confident they ain’t moving cause there are some people who refuse to give them that support based on which part of NY their from 🤷🏾♂️
One of many reasons why NYC fell off around mid 2000’s is because majority of black Americans( black Americans who descend from USA chattel slavery) are now not the majority of the city no more.. NYC is majority Caribbean.. a lot of the black Americans have moved down south or to New York State or Jersey.. plus Atlanta black wealth /politics is unmatched compared to NYC.
Thats facts, Im from Jersey with NYC roots and now our towns are getting gentrified in the north side of the state also. More African/Carribean and less FBAs in NJ and NY.
The politics and jobs down here can’t compare to NYC though. Up north we had unions with better retirement and medical benefit packages compared to down south. The medical benefits down south can’t match NYC plus you mention Union down south and everyone gets scared and afraid to speak up on their jobs but Not in NYC. They have better job security up north. The south has right to work states so they can easily fire you if they can. They can’t easily do that up north. The only thing the south has over NYC is the houses are more affordable but given the state of the economy, it’s gotten more expensive in the south.
@@Bcilloz
Sure 30 years ago 😂😂 ! Unions don’t really exist any more ! Aka no job has medical benefits etc especially seeing how USA is heading in a government run health care system! However there is a resurgence in unions !
as for black Americans (descendants of USA chattel slavery) understand that majority of us live in the south & have always lived in the south ! So it only makes sense for hiphop to now be based in the south seeing how all the origins of hiphop comes from the south via great migration
Ppl need to understand that everyday ppl in the south support they local rapper as well unlike us here NYC.. Plus the environment is completely different to do so in the south... Shout out to the south for keeping rap music alive..
It's all the different beefs that were going on in NYC that made the south come in and take over. While NYC was beefing with each other, the south was making up tempo party records that ppl were having fun listening and dancing too. I'm from NYC but I was living in Miami from 96 to 99, I saw it first hand. By the year 2000 it was over for NYC.
Damn smh
I really think yall missed your own point...that last part really said it all. You said being from NY made you strong, thats the problem. Yall come out of NY and think you could talk and act like you still in NY. Everyone gotta learn how to humble they self. When you in someone else area you gotta respect how they do it and their strength. Yall not the only tough people everywhere got strong people.
Yeah, I peeped that too. Eventually, life will humble you...no matter where you from.
Willy D said it best the song The World is a ghetto.
Another reason the south took off because NY artist outside of only 5-7 artist only have 1.5 albulms to 2 summers on top. Its because they were propped up by labels and not a truely organic Underground grind. Most artist out the south that made it big traveled throughout the south Florida to cali and the mideest cultivaing their fan base, getting it out the mud. True independence grind. Boosie is huge cause he was in Mississippi, alabama, Tennessee every other week selling out small towns that he still can ho to today. He just sold out the largest venue in Jackson Mississippi, 3 weeks ago... because its like his second home. The biggest thing to happen in Southern rap is 3 stacks saying the South had something to say at the hip hop awards and the second was Master P shouting out small towns in the south that the big artist never said on their records. When trech was saying which cities were the craziest, Southern cats felt lefy out, but when P stamped Baton Rouge, jacktown, Shreveport and other small towns in the south, the south galvanized
The south got something to say 🏴☠️🎤🎧✊🏾🗣
And we still run it to this day
Great discussion. It's sad to hear NYC competes in such a way. Being from the south early as a kid it seemed like NY was the place to be. Later as time went on the south began to shine and we are still holding strong. The culture itself is about uplifting the broader notion of southerness on a global stage so the cooperation between the stars here always felt natural. NYC will forever hold the crown in regards to lyricism and hip-hops golden age.
Jayz put on for philly more than NYC 100% Facts
I'm from Texas, but when I was I the Army, I noticed early on that New Yorkers move different. Every single brotha I met from NY had a hustler's mentality and once they applied their hustle within the ethical, moral, and legal parameters of the Army --- they excelled. I do not know one single dude I met from NY that was a shit bag Soldier or is a shit bag man. I still can't really fuck with yall music but NY brothers I come across have always been solid.
Wow, totally agree 👍 👏 I'm from Georgia and I was a drill Sergeant and 1SG and I've never had a dirt bag Soldier from NY
@@BattlefieldTampaTV5 Have you thought about it prior to now?
@@catdaddytv0706 honestly, no but your comment got me reminiscing and I had to keep it 💯 👌. Great point!
@@BattlefieldTampaTV5 dilly dilly 🍺🍺
Thank you! I grew up in the South and moved to NYC right out of high school and spent a great deal of my young adult life up there. Moved back and I noticed a huge difference in the brothas I met up there from that brothas they have down here. It’s seemed like nothing changed. Don’t get me wrong you got some good dudes down here but I find that brothas from up North are more apt to keep it 💯
The ending of NY was the G-unit era. 50 was beefing with everybody and wasn’t cliquing up with other NY dudes when he was the hottest artist on planet Earth. Cause during his reign, Wayne, Gucci, Jeezy, TI, Ludacris etc was just entering their primes. And Outkast was already out dominating in their own right too
Ppl need to stop with that 50 was beefing with everybody shit what 50 did with nothing new in NY cause during that same time T.i was beefing with Luda Flip and Shawty Lo then Gucci and Jeezy beef a lot of south beef at that time
New York was never the center of black America. When you think of New York you think immigration office not black America.
😂 🤣 Brilliant!!!
As a New Yorker you’re saying facts New York City it’s not a black city and it would never be Everyone that black in New York City is either Hispanic Caribbean or African we don’t have black American culture in New York City
Saying bitches and Queen Latifa in the same sentence is crazy
Lol
Ny been dominating rap for a long time..its the south turn right now .....1 day ppl will get tired of this music and crave something new ..thats life
NEW YORK PEOPLE TALK ABOUT NEW YORK FALLING OFF LIKE IT JUST HAPPENED.. MANE NEW YORK BEEN FELL OFF AND WILL NEVER GET IT BACK....NEW YORK RAPPERS TRY TO RAP AND SOUND LIKE THEY FROM THE SOUTH NOW
My guy Jada still goes.
The south is trash! Popular doesn't mean dope! It's like Future vs Joel Ortiz. One is popular the other is actually talented!
@@100timessquare you salty.huh
They starting to sound more like Chicago drill now
@@postmastersgt1670 Ny niccaz been weird they still say pause and shit that's crazy 🤦🏿♂️
The piece that's missing is that Southern beats have more appeal to the rest of the country because historically everybody outside NYC makes music for car trunks, but New Yorkers make beats for headphones and riding the train. It's what makes NYC unique in comparison to the rest of the country, which makes us stand out, but damages sales overall. But I also agree with the comments below that pointed out that NY fell off when we started trying to emulate other parts of the country, rather than holding onto our sound, which already had mad folks gravitating to us.
East Coast West Coast beef divided hip hop!! I remember in '95 everybody that wasn't from Boston down to DC was claiming West Coast. That's 40 states to 10!! The majority of the country is
Mid West, West and Southern.
Demographics. Way more black people in the south, which turns out to be a larger community.
One reason the south excels is because of what that one
brotha said he hated... We establish relationships. "Yes, Please, & Thank You" goes a looooong way outside of NY.
Conversation and ethic. He may not be receptive to "how is your day"? But guess what,
PEOPLE ACTUALLY RESPECT THAT SHIT OUTSIDE OF NY. They are receptive to it.
It gets you opportunity and gets you heard..."a chance"
New Yorkers talk real complicated and people elsewhere struggle to understand the accent. The southern rappers get straight to the point with smaller words, so they get more radio play.
Nawl...they just make better music.
The Southern hip-hop takeover was inevitable. Think about when it happened. It started to happen during the dawn of the aughts, quietly and then by the mid aughts, there was no turning back. Look, this is all a corporate decision. The powers that be decides on what the general population will mass consume. Once they hacked off different styles and flavors of hip-hop, that's when problems started to surface. I needed Kris Kross just like I needed Public Enemy. I think the biggest mistake was phasing out knowledge hip-hop in the mainstream and replacing it w/ gangsta rap. That was the plan though. And then you had the wordsmith era shortly after and folks just grew tired of it (overall). Look, the majority of consumers want something easy-breezy. Majority rules. Southern hip-hop was generally easy-breezy and club-friendly. Club culture exploded during the Southern hip-hop takeover. Nobody wanted to be in the club listening to Keith Murray use a whole bunch of big, necessary words. Who wanted to pull out a fuckin' dictionary on a Friday/Saturday night? Nobody. Nah, what that did is basically dumb it down so low to where n¡ggas just got on record and started mumbling. And here we are today. Oh and FYI, the "Hip-hop is Dead" conversation is old enough to drive a car right now. In retrospect, I understand why East Coast brothas were so protective over the art form. Granted, ego and competition were key factors, but a lot of them foresaw what was to come and...well... Here we are today. N¡ggas is cryin' over this region and that region and this one ain't got no bars, etcetera. I just listen to what I've been listening to as a child and I keep it movin'. I'm completely satisfied listening to Guru, etcetera.
Very true, speaking facts. The industry milked the NY sound until it was "played" to the average consumer. And fly rhymes of NY rappers like Fabolous for example just didnt really do enough to keep everyone interested as much as they used to. Then the club and the south came unified. I'd also add that the ignorance of fans not taking time to find artists from all regions that they could mess with helped this divide to where Hi Hop / Rap culture wasnt that wasnt feeling each other and we let the labels just flood the radio with "hits"
It was a organic decision that became a corporate decision IMO when you look at the geography of the south... you got houston , dallas , atlanta , memphis , miami , charleston , charlotte , st louis , jacksonville and new orleans just to name a few what do these cities have in common ? most if not all of them have large thriving club scenes and they all have a very large african american population meaning these cities were and are major hubs for hip hop sonically new york hip hop didn't appeal to that club environment that boom bap shit wasn't the move and like you so eloquently explained in reference to keith murray mfs ain't tryna do algebra on the dance floor lol especially women people come to get drunk get lit and have a good time with they folk project pat and three six had them beats that made the club go up and everyone started catching on including the labels which is why alot of southern artist got major distribution deals around that time I also think the independent grind of southern artist helped further that cause as well I feel new yorkers were spoiled by the labels but the sound of the south was undeniable the production value in the south was vastly superior hell til this day 90s southern hip hop doesn't sound nearly as dated as new york hip hop from that era... pimp c was using live musicians in his sessions not samples I think they figured out that less is sometimes more and it served almost as the antithesis of the wordsmith era if you noticed the few new york acts that gained or maintained success outside NYC in the early 2000s to the early 2010s had a particular sound ( Dipset , ASAP MOB , 50 Cent , French Montana ) these dudes weren't super lyrical but they all had a great sound and production... the internet also leveled the playing field and sorta made radio irrelevant now you have access to every region of hip hop and all different types of artist but all in all it's no one reason why NY hip hop fell off but I feel confident in saying as a southerner I'm glad we got the batton and ain't lettin go I get a sorta twisted satisfaction watching new yorkers in shambles tryna figure out where it went wrong 😂
@@202STFU I agree. Corporate decision called for dumbed down content. Now look where we are...
@@playforkeeps3536 Great points!
Music isn’t regional anymore , it’s worldwide because of the internet.
Two biggest rap artists are from Canada and Baton Rouge that’s all you need to know.
Anybody talking north south east or west is stuck in the past.
Being a big rap star from Louisiana isn’t uncommon that’s a norm this way.
*A Ranking of the 4 Major Regions in the Rap Game From the Strongest Region to the Weakest:*
-*#1 the South* : No region does it better, the most creative of the 4 major regions. No region is more diverse in terms of sounds and styles than the South, no region has created more Rap subgenres than the South and no region has had a longer reign than the South.
-*#2 the East Coast* : This region has always found a way to stay relevant, even at times when they aren't the top region.
-*#3 the West Coast* : The West has a noticeable lack of technically proficient rappers compared to the other regions which is a knock against that region from the perspective of stylistic diversity. They also tend to go through periodic droughts where they only have one or two rappers.
-*#4 the Midwest* : The weakest of the major regions, the only region that has never had a reign. There's never been an era when the charts were dominated by Midwest artist or by a Midwest sound. The Midwest is also the only region that has never developed any identifiable sounds that represent their region which is a major blow from a production standpoint(The South has Crunk, Trap etc.; the East Coast has Break Beat, Boom-bap etc.; the West Coast has G Funk, Gangster etc.).
Dominant Midwest artists- Eminem, Nelly, Bone Thugs, Big Sean, Kanye
Midwest sounds- Drill, Detroit Street Rap (very distinct sound).
@@chinua317 Yes those are great midwest artist, the Midwest has had several great artist. However, the region has never dominated the charts as a collective as in holding down the most spots at the upper echelons of the charts at the same time.
Also Drill is simply a geographic name for Chicago Trap, there's nothing original or distinct about it's sound. It uses the same hi-hat and Trap beats as Trap music and what is Detroit Street Rap?
Sooooooooo... Explain how you figure the South has had a longer reign than the East????? I'm from the South just to get that out of the eay
@@bacchusthompson5834 What do you not understand?
@@bootneyleefarnsworth7307 the South came on started running in the mid to late 2000's, prior to that the East was reigning supreme... 1970's to the Mid 2000's is a hell of a stretch for the South to overcome. I will agree that for the last almost 20 years the South has been shinning.
i'm guessing the music industry in the south not being run by small hats makes a difference....
Lol.. Why is New York considered the Whole East coast? How do other cities just not count up north?
Loool that's funny is hell they differently be leaving New Jersey and Philly Pennsylvania out of the loop and it's good rappers from both states that can rap especially Philly but new York been trying to hold the East cost on there own while the south has way more states and different south sounds when it comes to music
@@ramierecollins891 it's not NY that's trying to hold the East coast the media made NY the east coast NY never checked that dumb shit
@kev smith *"Lol.. Why is New York considered the Whole East coast? How do other cities just not count up north?"* The east coast has always meant the northeast I don't know how you arrived at that conclusion. The east coast has most often been represented by rappers from New York, New Jersey and Philly.
@@bootneyleefarnsworth7307 I came to that conclusion based off the General Perception.. For instance the East Coast West Coast beef Was Really just California & New York Problems.. Somehow Cali speaks for the entire west coast and New York speaks for the entire East coast as far as Hip Hop is concerned is the general Perception!!
@@kevsmith4320 I've named other states or cities that have represented the east coast and Washington state has had some mainstream rappers as far as the west coast is concerned so is that the general perception or just your perception? Perhaps you aren't very familiar with the subject.
New York rappers lost their identity during the East Coast vs West Coast war in the 90's. Never really recovered from that if we're being real. Every body was trying to be "gangsta" / Death Row.
Snoop kicked our buildings...I gotta get that fade snoop holla at the Brooklyn kid
Census info is public. If you really want a satisfying answer corruption and drugs. Drugs have been used to control
How did NY loose it’s identity during the East vs West war, when Jay Z, Ja-Rule & DMX arguably ran hip-hop in the late 90s into the early 2000s and then 50 Cent came?
@@bxboro4662 Everyone you just mentioned aside from Jay-Z, albums were modeled after the Dr. Dre / Death Row formula. Before them NY was far more diverse in it's subject matter and imagery. And NY's energy was far more responsible in respect to the black community. I'm from Cali, no NY artist dominated anything out here except for 50 Cent. NWA, Snoop, Dre, Cube, Warren G, Pac was in heavier rotation out here. The NY cats that was in true heavy rotation out here was Big, Puff, Ja, DMX, 50 Cent. Jay was not on the radio like that out here but his albums sold well. But that's not the point anyway- we are talking about identity. Listen to rap today... No diversity in sound. NY was the mecca back in the day. There was different styles popping out of NY almost every week back in the early 90's. And fashion. The Chronic was an atomic bomb on the industry. The genius of Jay-Z was his ability to stay in the mix with younger artists to this day and have a timeless style. Same with Nas. 50 Cent is another reason NY stumbled, constant BEEF culture. Which allowed the South to slide in and run shit. But the trap sound is about to end soon too. Everybody wants to be the new Tupac and it's getting tired.
This is true
Trying to beat Cali at their own game
Both coasts have gangsters
Both have pure artists
But when NWA hit
All the record companies started to push the gangster thug image above the conscious and positive music
Im 50. I lived in dc in 70s and 80s. I spent my summers in northeast nc. I also have family in newark and flatbush. Spent many holidays there. I also have only lived in hbcu areas....
It started with the 95 south highway. There was gogo in md, northern va, and nc (md is the south). There is gogo in some hiphop songs. It started with luke and two live crew and bass music. Bass music was popular from southeast va thru nc, sc, ga, and fla.... The songs made you dance with catchy hook. Bass music took off from 88- mid 90s nationally.
While attending a hbcu in mid 90s, I had a friend from the boroughs that came to visit me. The stereotypical NY negro. No diggity by blackstreet played. My friend LOVED singing that song. The song sounds southern. In the beginning of the 90s, teddy riley moved to va bch va. The neptunes were there. Teddy and the neptunes did rumpshaker (rumpshaker is a southern song).
Kriss kross was southern. So so def put nails in the coffin. Dupri is very southern. Jazzy pha is Georgian.
Nelly sounds southern but from the midwest.
No limit and cash money and lil jon and ying yang twins.......
And strip clubs. The south popularized black strip clubs. Sourthern hiphop is easier to dance to.
West Coast and East Coast were busy fighting each other while the South took over😄
Lol, I was in the greyhound in NY and I asked a dude where he was headed to make sure I was in the right line to get on the right bus. He like "why you want to know where I'm going" all suspicious and shit. I was like "nevermind, I forgot where I was at"....
I always felt what caused New York to fall off was the same thing that caused rock to fall off. Disco sucks was a huge movement in the rock and roll community but by attacking disco, rock just delayed the eventual change in pop music. Every decade since rock music got less and less popular. In Hip Hop the same thing happened to New York, as different regions started to form their own sound the New York scene wasn't always welcoming to them. While New York stayed on top at the time it gradually lost it's grip on what was hip in hip hop. Hip Hop is like every genre of music, if it wants to last it needs to change and that change was coming from the south. All I remember hearing from the New York scene at the time that the south was coming up was how the south was fucking up Hip Hop, but the reality is that the genres that are no longer popular didn't go away overnight instead it was a gradual change in people's music taste and that genre being unwilling to change it's sound to meet in the middle. Hip Hop needed to change to survive as people's taste in music was changing. The New York scene was dismissive of the south at the time but it would go on to influence the future generations. Now that Hip Hop is global and now seen as the most popular genre, the southern style is the sound that most associate with Hip Hop.
Radio controls the narrative
If you ask me NY fell off cause y’all said and say it did !! So many greats still living from NY and still make music blame y’all’s radio stations 🤣🥊🥊👊🏾
AtL Radio was not playing NYC artist at all from 2004 till this DAY !! only artist they just gave some play to and thts cause he got bodied was Pop smoke .
The south is where all the music genre come from
And new York didn't want to sign people from the south
So we created our own lane
From jprince to master p and birdman
Coach k and the musican
And they was selling local music making bank independent
Yep...and there are a LOT of different sounds coming out the south. They still have the idea that only 3 people can be big, while the south is the home of the Chitlin Circuit (which isnt just small scale juke joints....but we still got them too😂)
They also act like "lyricism" is all folks want to hear.
"Hip hop" is an NYC phenomenon, while southern rap is its own music. Now NY is relying on immigrants with a gimmick that will go viral and get New Yorkers someone to cheer for
@@QuatMan
When you get a chance check out
How pimp c talk about new York
He could not stand them lol
@@blac-mode Oh I heard him🤣🤣 Its one of the reasons that I refer to the NYC scene as "hip hop", and everything else as just rap music. They keep adding elements to hip hop, adding rules and regulations for what is hip hop, but keep the standards low if the person is an immigrant with funny hair🤣
The NY folks are MENTAL. Since I dove into the hip hop rabbit hole after Fat Joe lied, I have been shocked at what I have found🤣
They act like NY never made any club bounces, and that the ONLY good rap MUST be difficult to comprehend, or be filled with wit and wordplay (but only if you Black), or that if you got a southern accent, then you a "mumble rapper"....LAWD the egos! The Black folks up there also are more loyal to white folks on their label, and immigrants from NY, than they are to Black Americans from other regions. When I heard Rakin and 50 cent say Eminem was the best in their book, Nikki cosigning Ice Spice and Busta cosigning that weird African Tik Tok rapper...well...its easy to see why they fell off🤣
@@QuatMan
Exactly new York are like gimmick rappers
And the south and west coast are where the real negro are
What happen to black skin is amazing channel
This dude said drugs is why NY hip hop fell off...nah it was the narcissistic view of rappers in NY.
If u sit a bunch of dudes in a room from NY who was locked up at the same exact time. They all would say how THEY RAN THE HOUSE 🤣 on god
We already had the clubs, cause we had the beats. Then Outkast/Goodie/T.I./Luda/Wayne/.... put the lyrics on par with everybody else.!! 💯💯
Wayne and Luda no rapper maybe eminem but those two are the best and will remain that
Top 3 reasons why NY Hip Hop fell off.
1. Ny radio and DJs stop playing Ny artists thus showing no love to the people in they own backyard.
2.Major biting of West coast gangsta rap, downsouth Trap musikand now Chiraq drill music sound. Ny Hip Hop doesnt have a sound any more thats why they adopting everywhere elses.
3. Disunity in beefing with each other thus not making music together which in case divides NY rappers.
A bunch of white folks and immigrants run everything so now all they got is Bad Bunny and Ice Spice
New York rappers were arrogant, and looked down on southern rap/rappers… That’s why New York fell, they called southern rap TRASH…
Like Pimpin’ Ken said…
“You either humble, or you crumble!”
Outkast
THE SOUTH GOT SOMETHIN TO SAY
So when yall gonna say it? It's been 25 years and all yall said was Snap rap, crunk bullshit, mumble rap, lean drinking, drug addict rap, Soulja boy gimmick cornball shit etc...why you think everybody saying hip hop sucks now?
New York stopped making hits. The backpack/hardcore stuff is going strong, but radio friendly stuff is lacking.
I think the reason the south has been so dominant is sheer numbers. There are just far more rappers coming from the south than from NY.
NY is just one city/state, the south is a huge region, comprised of many cities/states.
Yes, the South has many rappers but very little substance. The reason why that is because the times have changed in South’s favor. Number one being that every trap artist down here sounds the same, looks the same, and has the same name with Lil this and Lil that. Hell I could call myself Lil Table and make a Sound Cloud Auto Tune track and bam, instant rapper. This copy cat culture was once called biting, which mind you, was once heavily frowned upon but now is widely accepted.
Number 2, the music is no longer being judged for it lyrical content but how good the beat is.
Number 3, the South has the advantage because of social media which allows for the music and the dances that accompany it, to spread like wildfire. So you’re not dominating anything. Its just that todays generation is willing to settle for anything that will grant them instant gratification.
@@Bcilloz
Good points.
Bone vs Three Six. Will be the biggest Versus. Facts!!
NOOOO, (Long story short) NY is just super competitive and we feel like nobody can fuck with us, I mean who else outside of NY don't feel like that??? Hip Hop is supposed to be competitive, period! As far as The South and their run, I blame the record labels and radio stations - they control everything moving in music.. There used to be a balance, me being from NY, I listened to everything from The East, West and The South but then you just noticed the shift like right after Pac and BIG got killed... Then came Master P and Cash Money and their back n forth, after that it was a rap, lol... It was almost liked it was planned that way...
THANK YOU! It’s not that NY doesn’t collaborate…there have been plenty of those but mostly it’s about the competition and hustle…it kept the bar held high. This is entire NY vs South is just misunderstood. It’s two different areas. NY cats don’t vibe the same way southern cats do but there is a mutual respect there. It’s just two different cultures. South is all about clubs and sound and NY all about lyrics…Hip Hop was born in NY so it’s always been about competition and lyrics…even in DJaying and Break Dancing and tagging( graffiti) southern cats don’t understand those elements because clubbing is all they know. Its part of the southern culture going all the way back to Juke Joint clubs they use to have in the back woods. Ask your grand parents.