We are Rangers. We walk in the dark places no one else will enter. We stand on the bridge, and no one may pass. We are not in danger, we are the danger. We are the ones who knock.
The hardest part about any war is knowingly sending people to their death with no chance of return except with a flag draped over them. The second hardest part is watching those same people come home in such a manner. Been there a few times Former USN
That's equally sad, touching and noble, all at the same time. I can't imagine anything harder to do then ordering someone to do something, knowing it's certain death, and even though you know it will save many more lives in the long run.
the allegiance of the crew is not to the captain but to THE one, whether it be delenn or sheridan, the cause of light. Everyone on the crew are trained in the minbari ways of thinking, minbari and humans alike. To die because it is required is not seen as a huge burden.
they live for the one, they die for the one. they carry out every order that is given, even if they die. i think the captain understood that it had to be done. and as he said, they knew what would await them when they signed on for the rangers.
some things must be done, like in this case sacrifice few lives in order to save many. a good example is the landing in normandy in the second world war. it was very likely that many soldiers would die. still, the order was given. the soldiers were sacrificed to bring the war to an end and so save the lives of the innocents.
Sheridan doesn’t make the Coventry reference in this episode; he makes it in “In the Shadow of Z’Ha’Dum” (Season 2). He makes that reference after reluctantly deciding to release Morden from custody. He releases Morden so that the Shadows will not discover that the Vorlons and Minbari are aware that the Shadows have returned to Z’Ha’Dum. He says, “How many lives is a secret worth?” In WWII, the secret was that the Allies had cracked enigma, the German code.
Don't get offended by my quote from another Scifi show. "The needs of the many out weigh the needs of few or the one." Much respect to them Entil'Zha Veni...
The sign of a GREAT commander instead of a good one is this video... the ability to order men to there death for the greater good of all... the commanders that are legends.... feel truly shitty afterwards....
@CreamyMayo I think this part rather refers to an episode of the El Alamein battle, where the British high command did a similar manoeuver to lure the Germans into a trap: a group of British soldiers carrying fake plans (indicating a gap in the British minefileds I think) engaged the Germans troops so that the plans deliberately fall in German hands, and make them attack at a precise point, where the British were waiting for them.
It happened many times, one time is General Sam Houston gave his men orders not to march when they could have saved the lives of many, however telling Col. Bowie to hold the fort at any cost to buy time for his army. That battle wound up becoming the Alamo. The Alamo defenders made the Mexican army pay so dearly that in the next battle, Houston's men destroyed them and captured Santa Ana (Who was trying to escape in a dress). In the US Military, there were "smaller" sacrifices to obtain victory
THIS IS MINBARRRRRR! On a more serious note, I think commanders get the shitty end of the stick because they've got polices to follow but still have to live with the consequences of the orders they give.
Banzai! In such circumstances, one must do what one can do. At least it brings certainity. Those people knew they were going to die. And they died well.
@CreamyMayo Actually, it's Coventry, which is in the west Midlands in England, and it wasn't Eisenhower, it was Churchill who made the decision, NOT Eisenhower. The Enigma encoding device was cracked at a place called Bletchley Park, in England, and it was British intelligence that managed to get an enigma device, and it was some time before the US leadership actually knew anything about it. It is well documented by historians, just don't believe some of the drivel that comes out of Hollywood.
Always good to talk openly about top secret information while standing in a room full of people who are listening to you when the enemy has spies everywhere.
to knifeofspaghetti: I think they do. Some things simply have to be done. If they are not done, it could cost the lifes of many more people. And I doubt that the U.S. never was in a situation like this.
on the CBC'S national vignette series there is one with a rcmp officer and some inuit and the mountie comes over to see what they're building , the mother says something to the boyin their language . they are building an INUKSHUK and she called the mountie anloshuk ( THE RANGERS ) kind of makes you think ?
Earth would be one of the League Worlds, not more powerful than the Drazi, if they would not have built B5 and took a position as diplomatic facilitators. Earths potential to become a superpower on the other hand was well recognized by the other species.
That's why this show was *SOOOO* much better than ST:DS9. You couldn't even write such a scene for that show and make it believable -- even if they had the writers to do it.
JMS argued the plausibility of this story by using a historical example from WWII. At one point, the Allies were planning to invade Normandy. They wanted Germany to think they were going to invade at Calais, so that Normandy would be less guarded. The Allies selected soldiers who had a low threshold for pain and could be easily broken. Then the commanders falsely told those “weak” soldiers that the invasion would occur at Calais.
That's not what he said. He's comparing that situation to something that could happen in the present day or recent past. Earth as it is today is far from a galactic superpower, since our most advanced space ship does little more than put things into orbit.
Historians today belive that Churchill knew of an impending bombardement, but not where it would strike. He thought it would hit London, thats why he was on the roof that night spotting for Bombers (he was very dedicated after all). The sacrifice of Coventry is a urban legend. Nobody can know if he would have sacrificed a city to protect the secrets of Betchley Park.
Doesn't make a bit of sense. If it were real then the other 4 ships would sacrifice themselves so that the secret plans on the 1 ship could escape with it, not the other way around. To look real they would all have to die.
@arveduilastking You can't really draw a comparison, there two different situations. The inspiration for this scene for example was taken from a strategy used in WWII to mislead the Germans.
CreamyMayo 4 years agoin reply to knifeofspaghetti "Sheridan acually makes reference to a decision that Eisenhower had to make during WWII in this episode." Let me guess : You're American, right? You should go back to school, and learn the real history. Because this happened a LONG time before Eisenhower even got out of bed. It was Churchill, in Britain, that made that choice.
They didn't. Japanese did it. You're american and you know your history so little? And they say 65% americans can't find Great Britain on map. What kind of a schools you have there anyway?
No Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbor. Japanies did. Did you skip your history lessons in school? Next you'll be saying Americans invented democracy. PS: Greeks did long before USA even existed.
SpockBorg5 It is the "meth lab guy" and the latest Godzilla movie wasn't crappy. It was different than the previous Godzilla movies but it wasn't crappy.
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We are Rangers. We walk in the dark places no one else will enter. We stand on the bridge, and no one may pass. We are not in danger, we are the danger. We are the ones who knock.
The hardest part about any war is knowingly sending people to their death with no chance of return except with a flag draped over them. The second hardest part is watching those same people come home in such a manner.
Been there a few times
Former USN
No one could doubt the courage of the Rangers after watching this scene.
Be the one who knocks, Erickson. In Valen's name.
That's equally sad, touching and noble, all at the same time. I can't imagine anything harder to do then ordering someone to do something, knowing it's certain death, and even though you know it will save many more lives in the long run.
Oh man, I forgot Bryan Cranston had been in Babylon 5. And here I was thinking neither Cranston or B5 could get any cooler. X-D
Onluy one proper phrase comes to mind when I hear this: Today is a good day to die!
Malcolm and B5. Two of my favorite things mixed together!!!
Cranston is a great actor.
That's cold. No wonder that guy ditched out went back to Earth and started dealing meth.
the allegiance of the crew is not to the captain but to THE one, whether it be delenn or sheridan, the cause of light. Everyone on the crew are trained in the minbari ways of thinking, minbari and humans alike. To die because it is required is not seen as a huge burden.
To paraphrase from 'Band of Brothers,' "You just have to realize that you're already dead."
They're all Rangers. Like he said, they knew what they were signing up for. Like the Ranger code says: Live for the One, die for the One.
hey that ranger captain is "walter white" of breaking bad!!!
WOW Walter White taken the Shadows downtown bitches
This clip and this show portray the power of the human spirit vary well.
they live for the one, they die for the one. they carry out every order that is given, even if they die.
i think the captain understood that it had to be done. and as he said, they knew what would await them when they signed on for the rangers.
In Sinclair's name, this is a good scene.
some things must be done, like in this case sacrifice few lives in order to save many.
a good example is the landing in normandy in the second world war. it was very likely that many soldiers would die. still, the order was given. the soldiers were sacrificed to bring the war to an end and so save the lives of the innocents.
a younger Bryan Cranston
And Walter White saves the universe.
I wonder what would be harder, giving or receiving that order.
It is a shame that the crew would never know THEY saved a galaxy... by dying....
Sheridan doesn’t make the Coventry reference in this episode; he makes it in “In the Shadow of Z’Ha’Dum” (Season 2). He makes that reference after reluctantly deciding to release Morden from custody. He releases Morden so that the Shadows will not discover that the Vorlons and Minbari are aware that the Shadows have returned to Z’Ha’Dum. He says, “How many lives is a secret worth?” In WWII, the secret was that the Allies had cracked enigma, the German code.
Don't get offended by my quote from another Scifi show. "The needs of the many out weigh the needs of few or the one." Much respect to them Entil'Zha Veni...
The sign of a GREAT commander instead of a good one is this video... the ability to order men to there death for the greater good of all... the commanders that are legends.... feel truly shitty afterwards....
i love the duty and loyalty of the rangers.....duty and job first.....
@CreamyMayo
I think this part rather refers to an episode of the El Alamein battle, where the British high command did a similar manoeuver to lure the Germans into a trap: a group of British soldiers carrying fake plans (indicating a gap in the British minefileds I think) engaged the Germans troops so that the plans deliberately fall in German hands, and make them attack at a precise point, where the British were waiting for them.
This scene always leaves me with a knot in my throat and a wet face. Totally effed up. Entil' Zha Veni.....
It happened many times, one time is General Sam Houston gave his men orders not to march when they could have saved the lives of many, however telling Col. Bowie to hold the fort at any cost to buy time for his army. That battle wound up becoming the Alamo. The Alamo defenders made the Mexican army pay so dearly that in the next battle, Houston's men destroyed them and captured Santa Ana (Who was trying to escape in a dress). In the US Military, there were "smaller" sacrifices to obtain victory
to command a man to commit suicide is horrid
i miss b5
+gravecactus me too
+gravecactus It is the burden every commander carries.
THIS IS MINBARRRRRR!
On a more serious note, I think commanders get the shitty end of the stick because they've got polices to follow but still have to live with the consequences of the orders they give.
The guy is the father to 'Malcolm in the Middle'. Hard order to follow. I would have asked for them to remember me and my crew for such a sacrifice.
Or, the assumption could be that all the ships had the plans as well. Having escaped, the Shadows would not know that they didn't.
Banzai!
In such circumstances, one must do what one can do. At least it brings certainity. Those people knew they were going to die. And they died well.
Hal's a great guy
Hello, Brian Cranston!
@CreamyMayo Actually, it's Coventry, which is in the west Midlands in England, and it wasn't Eisenhower, it was Churchill who made the decision, NOT Eisenhower. The Enigma encoding device was cracked at a place called Bletchley Park, in England, and it was British intelligence that managed to get an enigma device, and it was some time before the US leadership actually knew anything about it.
It is well documented by historians, just don't believe some of the drivel that comes out of Hollywood.
Always good to talk openly about top secret information while standing in a room full of people who are listening to you when the enemy has spies everywhere.
Entil'Zha Veni. In Valen's name....
Walter White is a bad ass.
Eisenhower? Try Churchill. And btw it's Coventry...might want to crack a book on occasion.
Huh, the Ranger here is played by Bryan Cranston, the dad from Malcom in the Middle.
Last I checked it was Churchill that made that call...
goose bumps
Heisenberg kicks ass
Tears!
to knifeofspaghetti:
I think they do. Some things simply have to be done. If they are not done, it could cost the lifes of many more people.
And I doubt that the U.S. never was in a situation like this.
on the CBC'S national vignette series there is one with a rcmp officer and some inuit and the mountie comes over to see what they're building , the mother says something to the boyin their language . they are building an INUKSHUK and she called the mountie anloshuk ( THE RANGERS ) kind of makes you think ?
They probably destroy their ship but in such a way that advanced tech can retreive the file.
Season 4, "Into the Fire"
And they swear to the guy who was the *previous* commander of B5...
Wonder how bad the Rangers would crack if they knew Valen's identity...
Earth would be one of the League Worlds, not more powerful than the Drazi, if they would not have built B5 and took a position as diplomatic facilitators. Earths potential to become a superpower on the other hand was well recognized by the other species.
Season 4 I believe, ep 5 or something..
We live for the one.. We die for the one
@CreamyMayo
By Eisenhower i think you really mean Churchill and by Cuvantry i believe you mean Coventry.
The problem is....the shadows don't know the info is there, so they'll just blast the ship to bits without searching it.
That's why this show was *SOOOO* much better than ST:DS9. You couldn't even write such a scene for that show and make it believable -- even if they had the writers to do it.
@Anacronian
And it wasn't in this episode. He made the reference to Coventry way back in season 2.
Капитан белой звезды это чувак из сериала breacking bad))))))
You are welcome
"BLAH BLAH BLAH...OH, and by the way...You're pretty much screwed and not coming out of this alive."
is he gonna go to the back of the ship and yell like crazy "WHYYY MEEEEEE WHYYYY MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!"?? :P
Wasn't Eisenhower, it was Churchill. And was it the city of Coventry
(he doesn't pronounce it right in the episode).
this must be a very hard choice / order
JMS argued the plausibility of this story by using a historical example from WWII. At one point, the Allies were planning to invade Normandy. They wanted Germany to think they were going to invade at Calais, so that Normandy would be less guarded. The Allies selected soldiers who had a low threshold for pain and could be easily broken. Then the commanders falsely told those “weak” soldiers that the invasion would occur at Calais.
Hey, newtoeugene, what is the name of this episode?
In Valens Name - For Vectron
Mitchell & Webb - Vectron
Season four, 'The Long Night'
Churchill, not Eisenhower. And it was Coventry.
I thought that was Winston Churchill.
Thanks for not making some lame "look at my organ skills" video.
It's rare that someone puts up the "real" thing.
Isil'zha veni.
I guess he joined the Rangers after he was done cooking meth.
I wonder how often they heard "Yeah? so knock it off." in reply.
;)
i agree that what Eisenhower did, was nesessary, but, he might have ,evacuated some people !
OMG THATS THE DUDE FROM BREAKING BAD!!
That's not what he said. He's comparing that situation to something that could happen in the present day or recent past. Earth as it is today is far from a galactic superpower, since our most advanced space ship does little more than put things into orbit.
Historians today belive that Churchill knew of an impending bombardement, but not where it would strike. He thought it would hit London, thats why he was on the roof that night spotting for Bombers (he was very dedicated after all). The sacrifice of Coventry is a urban legend. Nobody can know if he would have sacrificed a city to protect the secrets of Betchley Park.
Yet Sheridan never asked about children...
Since this was part of the Shadow war season 3 I believe.
Doesn't make a bit of sense. If it were real then the other 4 ships would sacrifice themselves so that the secret plans on the 1 ship could escape with it, not the other way around.
To look real they would all have to die.
uhm that was not ike but rather churchill.
your not a married man are you erikson? Ouch!!!
OMG Don't blame him sacrificing himself like that, I mean the Shadows are pussy cats compaired to Lois.
@arveduilastking You can't really draw a comparison, there two different situations. The inspiration for this scene for example was taken from a strategy used in WWII to mislead the Germans.
CreamyMayo
4 years agoin reply to knifeofspaghetti
"Sheridan acually makes reference to a decision that Eisenhower had to make during WWII in this episode."
Let me guess : You're American, right?
You should go back to school, and learn the real history. Because this happened a LONG time before Eisenhower even got out of bed.
It was Churchill, in Britain, that made that choice.
@b5kalad: What? Dude that analogy is so wrong in so many ways is not even funny.
They didn't. Japanese did it. You're american and you know your history so little? And they say 65% americans can't find Great Britain on map. What kind of a schools you have there anyway?
Does the U.S. military ever give those kinds of orders? That sounds... insane, if you don't mind me saying so.
WOW no wonder we keep making the same mistakes over and over again thru history....
The Germans and the Russians did.
No Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbor. Japanies did. Did you skip your history lessons in school? Next you'll be saying Americans invented democracy. PS: Greeks did long before USA even existed.
hey, isn't this the meth lab guy, and did'nt he also do that crappy godzilla movie?
SpockBorg5 It is the "meth lab guy" and the latest Godzilla movie wasn't crappy. It was different than the previous Godzilla movies but it wasn't crappy.
+SpockBorg5 Its space! we can make all the meth we want and sell it to the shadows!
+SpockBorg5 I was just thinking that dude looked totally familar, Bryan Cranston
fghfh
*facepalm*
Try again with Japan.
This clip and this show portray the power of the human spirit vary well.
This clip and this show portray the power of the human spirit vary well.