Snubbies: J-Frame VS LCR VS Taurus Practical Accuracy
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Just going via request from Fudmottin, testing out the difference in practical accuracy, trigger pulls and the like between the Smith and Wesson J-frame (642, 637, 442 etc), the Taurus snubs (605, 856, 85 etc) and the Ruger LCR (LCR, LCR-X etc).
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Awesome video! Anyone here have experience with the Taurus 856? I have one but haven’t had the chance to get to the range yet
Kyle S I have the steel 856 and the 856 UL. Not the quality of my Smiths and Rugers, but am happy with them. A pleasant surprise is how well the UL handles 38+p rounds. No complaints on either one. Have had both less than a year.
@@tomcarr4630 -I have the 856. I've been trying to talk myself out of the 856 UL. Is there any considerable difference in shooting the two that you have? Do you use yours to fulfill any different roles/purposes/niches? Do you try to shoot softer loads out of the UL?
Patrick Cruz Thank You! The UL is noticeably lighter. Unlike my Smith 642, +P rounds are pleasant to shoot...and you get an extra round. I use the UL for several purposes: A snakeshot pocket gun for some areas I walk here in Texas, a carry piece on shorts and t-shirt days, or a vehicle gun while driving. Was fortunate to find it used for about $210. VERY little wear on it.
@@tomcarr4630 that was my one question Tom, if the 856 UL would handle plus p, it states that the allsteel one will but I cannot find any reference about the ultralight taking +p
B.J. Weed Good point! American Rifleman tested it with +P loads without a problem. My takeaway is to not feed it a heavy diet of +P.
So glad to see this. I’ve owned a S&W snub and a 3” Taurus snub. I couldn’t keep the Smith in a chest sized target past 7 yards (honestly felt embarrassed at the range) . I was dead accurate with the Taurus out to 20 yards consistently. Nobody else owned a Smith so I assumed it was me.
Chris Hill sure
A fantastic description of each! Very enjoyable video. My Smith Airweight sees mostly snake shot duty. Recently purchased a Taurus 856. Love it! A nice addition to my revolver collection.
Thank you. I have thought about ballistic testing that snake shot just to see what it does.
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Nice comparison. You are spot on about the J frame trigger & lockup. My 442 feels just as tight & heavy after 5+ years of use. My other S&W revolvers seemed to have lightened up over the years.
Thank you. My full size 686 is like this one as well, but the size gives more leverage and the weight helps it not shake as much.
I m a big fan of S&W revolvers. I am not a fan of most Rugers-have had too many with too many weird problems. However, my Ruger LCR 357 may be my favorite revolver and one of my favorite guns in general. I shoot it consistently and well even with moderate to hefty 357 loads. It’s ugly and inelegant compared to S&W buts it’s functionality is a thing of beauty.
Thanks for you thoughtful observations. Well done as usual!
Thank you. I have owned if I remember right, 4 or 5 Ruger revolvers, and they were all really good for me with no problems, also I have owned a few S&W revolvers with no problems. I have owned a few Taurus revolvers in the past with some problems though. I really like the S&W hammer block over the transfer bar. A broken hammer block should still allow a S&W to fire, but a broken transfer bar, and you're done. Not good in a bad situation.
okay i had to stop the video to give you a like because of all the work that went into it. tx
Still waiting on a 3 inch LCR-X in .327 Federal from Ruger. I almost always daily carry the SP101 in .327 Federal and love it. Otherwise I tend to carry other guns, but if it's another revolver it's either a Taurus 455 Titanium or my Raging Judge Magnum. Though lately I've had my eyes on the Charter Arms Professional in .32 H&R.
Thanks Sam. You did really well with the Taurus 605. I've had my Taurus M85 for 4 years and it has one of the smoothest trigger pulls I have and it is easily staged. Really like my cam action LCRx as well.
Thanks for watching. I would say that the Taurus and the LCR won this one evenly. My J-frame has always been a challenge to shoot well.
@@GunSam You are probably aware of this but Taurus has had the M856 out for awhile. It's much like the M85 but fires 6 rounds.
I love how you are honest with your accuracy.
Thank you. I have snubbies by Colt, Smith, Taurus, Charter Arms, Rossi and Webley. It never occurred to me to consider the way the trigger pullls in double action. I just pick it up and shoot. You have inspired me to try more double action shooting with accuracy.
My Taurus 85 CH is old and has an exposed spurless hammer. It’s new enough it has the rubber stocks. Got it a decade ago at a yard sale. Still love it and still carry it.
Excellent video once again. Thanks for being so revolver friendly! Oh and Happy New Years!
Thanks! Happy New Year.
Interesting video, Sam. Thanks for sharing. The LCR in 327 seems like a great little revolver.
Thank you. I am really starting to like the LCR.
I'll say it, LCR .327 MAG, did out perform all the others, I get it, I'm just looking at all the other advantages, hands down, Perfect for carrying in town, hot summer days, Shorts, & loose fitting T-shirt, and a belly band waist holster, Keep it simple stupid....
“Detroit reload”!!!! A fellow Michigander loves it!!!!
Watch alot of ur vids as i carry an lcr357 daily. I have autos too but i find the conveince of pocket carry revolvers to get the job done for me. I like your tests on ammo and such. Subbed.
Thanks. And I think you nailed the description for a lot of people. Pocket revolvers have probably the best option for concealabilty, safety and ballistics that one would need in an average situation. I get tired of the 22 year old "experts" on here trying to school me about how they can land 15 rounds on multiple attackers. I think I will let them break their back for the next 20 years until they are my age, then realize they probably never had to even pull their gun, let alone fire it, and if they did, probably 2 shots are all that will have been discharged. Oh well, lol
The Double action pull on the Taurus that you are describing is called a "Stacking Pull" and is reminiscent of all Colt revolvers. The pull weight appears to be heavier and increases during the pull. With the Smith &Wesson revolvers the double action is pretty steady. The Ruger revolvers such as the SP101, GP100 etc., generally have a slightly heavier pull than the S&Ws but longer and just as smooth..
The Paul Harrell reload!
Or Seagal reload lol, but he usually tosses 1911's and somehow has another 1911.
Love my new taurus ul 856 can't wait go range again.
Of the 3 models shown (which I have) the Ruger LCR has the best trigger of any revolver I've ever shot...but I'd trust each of them completely to be dependable
Love my LCRx in .38. Glad I got the exposed hammer-great gun, zero complaints.
Looks like the 32 caliber LCR, loaded with 32 h&r Magnum or 327 Federal Magnum should probably be your new carry gun from all the shooting I've seen you do, it seems to be the most accurate with the least amount of recoil plus one extra round. And as always, another great video 👍
YES! It's a great piece. I hope to test some more powerful .327 Federal Magnum rounds next week and see how they do. What i'm hoping for, which isn't out of reality, is to have very low recoil yet rivaling energy to a .357 Magnum. I have experienced this before when bullet weights get light enough. If I can get some .327 rounds to exceed a 9mm's energy yet have less recoil than it, I would say 6 rounds in the pocket ain't bad considering it's pretty accurate. Thanks for watching!
@@GunSam I hope you got the link I sent you last week into regards for bullets for reloading the 32 caliber
@@GunSam Foot pounds travel both ways Sam. 💣
@@Pointblank2U Newton's law right?!? I have often wondered how recoil energy is calculated vs muzzle energy, it's very interesting. Like the .327 Mag from my last video gives about 250 ft lbs at the muzzle, but the recoil energy into your hand is only 4.5 lbs.
@@GunSam Ft-lbs is a scalar value. It really has no direction. That said, recoil comes from two sources. The obvious one is you are slinging lead (or just copper) downrange. There is action-reaction there. Another big one (in many cases it can be more than the bullet) is the powder charge exiting the muzzle. If you have 35k psi at the muzzle in a 357, that's 1.75 TONS of force pushing back on you like a rocket engine. The diameter of the 327 is smaller so the same pressure would amount to less force. In general though, you can say the more powder you have in your cartridge, the more its going to recoil, all other things being equal.
Great comparison video, my fellow wheel gun amigo. Detroit reload. Lmfao. Good one. Those rounds from the Smith appeared too light as it was all over the place. Had an LCR 357. Sold it due to the Ruger’s false trigger reset. Picked up a S&W 432UC and absolutely love it.
What holster are you wearing? Liking the thumb strap.
Shot my friends .327 LCR, we are negotiating a price. Still love my M85 though. Great video Sam.
Thank you. You will love that .327 if you get it!
great video, thank you. my 2” steel taurus 85 38sp purchased gently used in 1985 is a really superb shooter. my used s&w 642 airweight is easier to carry but less accurate, even with softer shooting wadcutters. i got rid of a new ruger lcr 38sp as it simply felt “off” in my hand when shooting. if i were to only have one it would be a taurus 85: the older ones are built like a tank.
Great comparison for future knowledge. The LCR was my favorite trigger pull until I got a Kimber K6. Have you done a K6 yet?
I love my Taurus 605.
Most definitely agree ! I love my 605 as well.. RELIABLE ..great snub option with both 357/38 capabilities.. can’t go wrong. 👍🏼💯
Taurus needs to put you on the payroll..!!
Like the shot placement graphic with the red dot appearing..
Thx for the channel and the vids
Thanks for watching.
I have a S&W 360 PD an LCR.38 and a LCRx in .357. In stock form the Rugers are superior overall in my opinion. They are much easier to shoot, due to the Hogue grip, polymer frame and superior trigger! Furthermore, the front sight is pinned and can easily be upgraded. The S&W J frames cannot unless you opt for the PD series at over 1k. The only advantage I've found with the S&W is it has just a slightly smaller footprint and can be pocket carried a little easier. Nice video. Thanks for sharing
It is hard to imagine a better carry revolver than the 327 Magnum LCR. Throw a big dot sight on it and you've got something pretty formidable.
It seems to shoot well. Next week I will be testing the Gold Dot or the Double-Tap copper HP .327 Magnum. Probably the Gold Dot first, that will probably be my next video. I hear it's powerful ammo.
I'm wishing I had an outdoor place to shoot like you have! Nice to see videos of guns that i have, or would want to have. What you said, don't sell a gun. I almost sold my 30 year old Taurus 85. What was i thinking? I must have gotten a good one as it has a great trigger and shoots most any ammo accurately.
I have all three. My lcrx stays with me. That being said here are some other observations. The Smith and the Taurus both have shorter reset than the Ruger. The Taurus is a little easier to disassemble than both others. Both the Taurus and the Smith have simple spring upgrades that can improve the trigger pull and not loose reliability. Both the Taurus and the Smith trigger seem to wear in very nicely smooth out a little with use. The aftermarket is good for all three however the Smith and Tauris have more grip options. The Ruger has Superior front site options. The Ruger in .38 or .357 has a little more travel between cylinder bores than the .327 it has the longest trigger pull and longer reset including s possible false reset but a far smoother trigger out of the box that the others. The Rugers possible false reset and cylinder roll is s training issue NOT a mechanical issue. The LCR .38+p is more of a handful like the j frame since it is not as robust as the .357 .327 versions and very light. The slightly softer stickier hogue grip helps the lcr with this, but makes the j frame easiest to conceal especially pocket carry. Out of the three albeit the Taurus is s .357 it is possibly the most comfortable to shoot compared to the j frame and lcr in .38+p and even the lcr in .357 when it comes to Magnums. The Taurus and the Ruger seem very accurate the Taurus may win here as well(slightly longer barrel). The Smith has the most serviceable trigger when it comes to smithing and performance center tuning. The Ruger is the most corrosion resistant with the polymers and aluminium and or steel alloy.
I would say for out of the box ccw the Ruger lcr +p without the hammer wins. You can get the hogue boot grip and you can cicnch your grip way up high on the back strap even on the hammer shroud and get a excellent purchase high on the bore axis for a revolver and with training shoot fairly fast accurately with good recoil control because of the purchase. Like Gun Sam said probably also good for a semi auto guy transitioning or trying the revolver. Why do I carry an lcr(x) because I'm a revolver guy like the hammer s/a option👍 With that being said my solution is get all three!!!! They are all viable self defense options. The Taurus model 85 U/L also gets a nod. Stick with the brushed stainless finish with all Taurus revolvers the new "bluing" is simply cold black oxide and will rust easily!
Thanks for all of the info. I have noticed that the Taurus does disassemble, at least what I refer to disassembly, pretty nicely. I like how the cylinder can come apart really easily so cleaning under the extractor is very easy. The thing I like about Smith is the hammer block, and even if it's not as accurate the hammer block is something that one can count on not failing. The transfer bars of the other two make me nervous, not too much on the Ruger because they use good steel, the Taurus will have to prove itself to me after snapping two transfer bars in the past, both with low round count, albeit they were rimfire which takes on more abuse than centerfire, I still need to make it prove itself to me!
@@GunSam The 605 is one of the most tried and true Taurus models even back to the 80's . I would not compare that to the Taurus 97( I think that's the right number lol). Those things where awful. I believe they are discontinued. They had a horrific reputation. The Taurus 85, 605, 66, 65 have always been their bread and butter and carried by allot of law enforcement globally. One of my favorite revolvers is, the old Taurus model 65 fixed site 4" .357 6 shooter. Definitely a working mans gun 😄
@@ea6871 The ones I had were the 94's
@@GunSam oh yeah the 94's ... The horror.... hehe
I would like to see Smith and Taurus revet their .327 snubs although I think Smith only had the h&r Magnum. I liked the Taurus M327 it was the 605 chambered in .327 that was a fun gun. .327 is such a freaking under rated round. Shoots really nice to distance as well.
The bill Rogers grip for the lcr if you can find it makes that gun perfect
I have the 856 and my wife has the s&w 642 airweight both are very good gun for self defense
I installed various shims into my Charter Arms Pitbull to tighten the action. Smoothed the lock work. Still takes to more of a two-stage pull ( what some old timers called the ' Leppert ' method ) than a continuous pull ( as practiced by Ed McGivern ) to improve accuracy fired double action. Have you experienced this as well with Charter Arms revolvers?
I haven't yet. Have always been interested in a Bulldog .44 though. If I get a Charter, it will be that one.
@@GunSam, Should you have interest in trying a C.A. in .45 ACP, consider their Pitbull in the XL frame... that is if anyone can get ahold of one before the end of 2021. Sent a website 'in house' email to Donna L. two weeks ago on the status of C.A. production and have not yet received a reply.
Wow! Very informative.
I can’t say enough good about my LCR .357, It’s got the best double-action trigger I’ve ever felt and I can always hit what I want with it. Also, somehow, it doesn’t kick as hard as it should, really hot +P feels like regular old standard pressure target stuff should in a gun that light.
I also have a 3” Kimber K6S for cold weather when I can conceal it. It’s just as nice as it should be, and also has a wonderful trigger, but I honestly can’t shoot it better than my LCR except rapid-fire, where the longer grips make it more stable.
Your outcome did not surprise me. I have LCRs in the 357, 38, and 22lr. They are all much easier to shoot based on the trigger pull. I am guessing that this trigger also requires less hand strength, as I find it easier to shoot with one hand. I can only compare them to a Taurus 605 which I also like, it just is not as easy to shoot for me.
Thanks for the good work.
Thanks! Yeah it seems like a lot less strength with the LCR, maybe half.
Nice video! I have an sp101. But I want to get a GP100 and either an LCR or a S&W Bodyguard 38. Can’t decide which
I haven't fired a GP100 before but have fired a S&W Bodyguard. It's been awhile but I do remember it being similar to the LCR but the strange thing I noticed when dry firing the Bodyguard is that the firing pin retracts immediately after firing rather than staying forward like with every other type of revolver. I don't know why it does that or the advantage, other than I would imagine that would be a positive thing for really warm loads where you sometimes see a pierced firing pin with the extra oomph of the primer slamming back toward the pin.
Great 👍🏼 video. I have the LCR in 9mm and love it. The trigger is smooth. I’m curious about the new Taurus 856 six shot. Have you shot one ?
Thank you. I have heard of them but I have not had a chance to shoot one.
I have one that I have about 400 rounds though an I have to say it's a good shooter.
Your Smith is shooting low. Have you considered using a file to lower the front sight a bit? It is always nice when a gun shoots to POA.
That j frame is definitely on its way to needing a timing job. All my smith's (and I have a ton of them) lock up around 80% of the trigger travel, making them very easy to stage. They have a couple thousand rounds thru them as well.
My S&W M&P 360 airlight shoots 38 special a bit more accurate than that back at 25 yards. But I do have a big white fiber optic front dot put on it and trigger work.
I own 6 revolvers right now. One of them is a Smith 642, which I imagine would be similar to your 342. I had new, lighter springs installed, as well as putting on aftermarket Hogue grips (all with the hope of making it less harsh). To that extent, I was successful. But to date, without question, the best snubbie I own that has the best trigger is my Kimber K6s.
I wondered how well that Kimber is. I had one subscriber that tried to give me one about a year ago...I should have taken it!
A year or so ago, I went to my favorite gun store to check out some snubbies. I checked out the Ruger SP-101. I checked out some S&W guns (including the Model 36, Model 340 PD, model 60 and the Bodyguard). Next I checked out the Colt Cobra. And then I played around with the Kimbers, and it was game over. The fit and finish was way beyond anything else in the store. But what really sold me on it was the trigger. It was easily the best DAO trigger I ever experienced. I ended up buying the stainless steel model with night sights for $700 online (no tax and free shipping). The K6s is a pretty stout gun. It's too heavy for pocket carry. But it isn't stout enough to shoot 357's without considerable pain. But it will shoot 158 grain 38 special +P all day long. No problem. Even though it's DAO, you can easily stage the trigger for pseudo single action shots.
What’s your opinion of the Wilson trigger spring kit for J frames? I’ve had my 340PD for a couple of years and the trigger pull is still well over 12 pounds.
I honestly have no experience or knowledge on those. I have heard of them but never researched them much other than I know they can lighten the trigger pull, and I also know of different trigger kits for Glocks to do the opposite and make them tougher to pull. I am more of the type of guy to work around however a gun is, rather than modify it.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ I always figured the S&W engineers knew more than I do too. The trigger on my 340PD was the heaviest on any J frame I’ve owned but it’s gotten better/smoother w/more range time. Modified guns make me nervous . . . .
My personal observation with my personal 638 is that it likes the heavier bullets like a 158 gr SWC that I hand load. If I shoot light rounds like 130 and under the shots are all over the place and it shoots low. The lighter the bullet the worse it gets. That same round in my Rossi 357 snubbie can't hold a group and the holes in the target give you the impression the bullet is tumbling. It's all about finding the right load for the gun.
I have a Charter Arms Bulldog XL in 45 Colt. 23 oz, and surprisingly accurate from about 25 yds. Some of the less expensive guns are surprising in performance.
Just like a 12 gauge. Cheap gun, big bullet, does well.
@@GunSam Lead on target is effective, regardless of the delivery system, lol...
i have my girlfriends 442 is loaded with hornady CD 110 gr standard pressure.. she has shot before but shes a novice.. would this load be potent enough while being low recoil and not over penetration being we live in apt?
When I tested the 110 gr standard pressure I only got a 5 shot average in my J-frame of 806 FPS. In my jug-or-not the bullet went through 3 water jugs and magically disappeared before it hit jug 4. I don't know how far it would penetrate through a wall or anything though.
Thanks again. Any of these triggers as good as a Colt Cobra?
Spot on with your assessment on the triggers for these 3 revolvers. I have one of each, except my LCR is in .22 caliber. My J Frame locks up like a bank vault, my Taurus 85 is a great little gun but the take up on the trigger is a bit spongy and the break feels inconsistent. Even with the heavy trigger pull required for a .22 my LCR has the easiest trigger to use. Just curious, do you cc your LCR?
Thank you. Yes I will often carry this LCR in the pocket. I switch between that and a .38 J-frame depending on the day.
I thought the Taurus was more accurate on the targets....the LCR more accurate on the tanks. I got the LCRx, so I'd have the option of SA at distance. Good video.
Thank you. I seen that LCR in your video, I like the looks of the X version!
I love the trigger on my 442, i have shot the piss out of it but I guess I just feel like I have mastered the staging.
Nice shooting!
Thanks!
Nothing like standing in the poison ivy 🤣. Loving the videos btw
Excellent, thank you.
Thanks!
Very nice! I'm surprised you weren't a bit tighter with the 342PD. It's been through a lot though and it's also easy to put it down to getting warmed up. Fifteen yards is greater than twelve and I haven't really run a J-Frame out that far so far as I recall. K-Frame, yes. Beretta, yes.
On a side note, it seems you fit Paul Harrell's description of a real expert.
Thank you. That 342 has plagued me for the past 3 and a half years since I got it. Thousands of hand loads with dozens of different load combinations chasing POI. The closest I ever got was with the 200 gr rounds I made. I wouldn't say i'm an expert, but I like to dabble in things like this :)
@@GunSam I'm not entirely clear on what Paul mean by expert. I think he was referring to knowledge. In that case, you have a greater than average grasp of ballistics. If all he means is being able to punch out the X-ring, that's rather different. Let's say I was able to do that (I wish!). With whatever firearm I was super precise with, I would certainly be an expert shooter. But I would still know squat about firearms. I have no broad base knowledge. Even with getting the hits, that would come down to my ability to repeat the sight picture, maintain it during trigger stroke, and followthrough. It would also be helpful to see the target!
@@Fudmottin I guess my take on the term expert, would be someone who has spent a lot of time doing what they are doing, and knows a lot about what they are doing from personal experience. Example would be, I am an expert at destroying water jugs, I know exactly what they will do when shot with said round. But at shooting deer, I am not an expert, as I have only slayed 3 in my life. At real world altercations, I also am not an expert, I may know statistics and watched videos of real defensive shooting, but I can't ever be an expert at personal defense without being there, and I really hope I never am an expert at that!
@@GunSam Sounds good to me.
There’s a big trade off with the Ruger trigger; and that’s short stroking it. If you shoot revolvers and are used to a good trigger return spring, you will have to get used to the Ruger. I personally wouldn’t carry it because under stress, I don’t want to have to worry about that issue.
Mind sharing what holster you're using for the Taurus?
I put a spring kit in my Taurus 856 and it made a huge difference. No more staging my trigger pull, it's super smooth, all the way through. It cost me $12, it took ten minutes.
Doesn't your Smith & Wesson j-frame have a pinned in front sight? Could you not get a different front end sight to make it shoot higher.?
I think it does, but to make it right the slight would have to be basically gone. I have so many handguns anymore I don't think about it lol. If I did want true point of impact just switching to 158 gr ammo fixes most of the problem.
With the S&W the 442 or 642 with the built in lock has an even harder pull. If you install an Apex spring kit the non built in lock comes down to about 6 lbs. from 10 lbs. This makes it significantly easier to shoot.
My 342 does not have a lock.
I was just commenting that the ones with the lock are even harder to pull than the standard one. My wife’s 442 has the lock and my 642 does not. Her 442 is probably about 50% harder to pull. After I did the spring kit on her 442 it felt the same as my 642 without the kit. I was also sharing that a spring kit greatly improves the performance.
S$W revolvers are regulated for the 158 gr bullet and will always shoot lightweights low. Been that way forever.
I enjoy your videos, and I just have a couple thoughts; I would rather see all revolvers using the same ammo. "This gun prnts low for me". When using light, higher velocity ammo, most revolvers, especially short barrel, will print much lower. Just physics. Testing two very different calibers is fine, but it isn' a valid comparison. But, keep up the videos!
You don't understand that 342 PD. It shoots low, way low, feet low. It's not as you describe, it's different.
I hated my LCR 5 shot trigger pull. Weirdly I loved my Charter Arms trigger pull.
PS I was trained not to "stage" a double action action.
I looked at the LCR when I was considering a .327 magnum but I think if I decided to pick up a .327 magnum it would be in another SP101. I just like my .357 magnum SP101 too much.
I am not a fan of the air weight revolvers i had the LCR and S&W 642 just cant shoot them well i prefer the all steel frame revolvers.
In all fairness this LCR is mostly steel and does pretty well.
I’ve heard the Ruger LCR trigger can be short stroked tying up the gun and taking you out of the fight until you reset it.
Yeah, I have had it happen when dry firing when just seeing how quick it is. I have not had it happen in live fire as I shoot live ammo slower. Overall not a big deal to me as even if it did happen, it can rotate back to it eventually.
In my experience, your concern is valid. And that said, I still carry my LCR38 80% of the time(and have for years) for all the same reasons Gun Sam advocates revolvers.(Spot on Gun Sam, thank you for making all these awesome informative videos on revolvers for carry). This is really the only thing that does concerns me with this revolver if faced with high stress situation and when seconds may count the most. I agree with Gun Sam’s comment in regards to dry firing quickly, BUT in a high stress situation, you may find yourself firing faster than you train. I do train for fast follow up shots, short stroking the trigger for me rarely happens, but does happen from time to time and the trigger must be reset. It does reset very easily, but when doing so, I also need to reset my sight picture(quickly) or recheck my “point and shoot” form. (Apologize if I not using correct terminology). Perhaps I simply need to train more with my LCR, and perhaps circumstances may catch me of guard or simply having a bad dad and I still end up short stroking it. With that being said, I still really like this revolver, and I am hope to be picking up second LCR in 327 very soon.
Mark Blaszak I was involved in three gunfights during my career (S&W and Colt revolvers) and don’t remember much about trigger reset. I just kept shooting until the suspect went down and I was sure things were over. That said I am still interested in the little Ruger LCR and may pick one up to test the reset thing on the range, live fire. Thanks for your input.
Old Cop
Check out this video, this guy demonstrates trigger issue at 4 minutes into video.
ruclips.net/video/d0ioFQkw-x8/видео.html
Mark Blaszak Thanks, I was considering the Ruger before seeing this. I don’t want any surprises if I’m attacked.
Personally, I'd take a Smith and Wesson Model 60 2.125" or Ruger SP101 2.25" or a Smith and Wesson Model 36 1.875" over any of the lightweight or airweight snubbles.
Good video 👍👌.ty
Is a hammer on a defensive revolver a liability?
I don't personally see why it would be. I supposed if you cocked it slow and told someone you're going to kill them, and then they survive they might tell that story. As far as cocking it to use defensively I highly doubt anyone would remember if you did or didn't. Not with the stress and all.
Sounds like you're really liking that .32 cal
Yes, and there really is some great advantages with it including capacity. While .327 Federal is not truly comparable to .357 Mag, its a nice in between with a light .327 Mag between the .38 Special and .357 Mag.
A lot of people down play the importance of "long rang" accuracy. First of all 15 yards is not long range. If you watch videos of actual self defense shootings (such as those on Active Self Protection) you'll see that 15, 20, even 25 yard shots are not uncommon in real world shootings. I personally don't feel there is any excuse to carry a gun today that can't deliver that type of accuracy on the fly. Not when a gun as small and light as a Kahr P380 can without any trouble. The LCR seems to be the winner here and more than accurate enough for serious use.
Yeah, I feel like what I saw today with the LCR is just the tip of the iceberg of what it's capable of. I really would like to get a backstop of some sort and make a long range range in the field above where I shoot. Aside from the larg-ish front sight, I feel like I could really get in tune with shots at 100 yards+, it just takes a few dozen rounds to really get a feel for that sort of thing. I really aught to try this!
@@GunSam I guess my point is, I don't think the lightweight j-frame Smith's are up the task. It's fine as a, get the heck off me, gun. But, there are just better choices today.
@@GunSam everything i have read about a fiber optic and the 327 LCR indicates the poa/poi will be low. That was from the Ruger factory website. To those ends, i went to the dollar store and bought some cheap orange nail polish and a bottle of clear nail polish. Cleaned the sight with alcohol, put on the orange, let dry, and applied the clear. Works well.
Recent would be mass shooting was stopped by a CCW from 40 yards. Very impressive shooting. And if you’re good at hitting distant targets, you’ll be that much better hitting close range.
Thinking seriously about Taurus 856 when I have the income again so very interested in this topic. :)
Would have been interesting to see results at 7 yards or so with normal defensive DA (i.e. just pull through fairly quickly with no staging).
Personally 1-LCR...2-S&W....3-Taurus.....I have each.
There is an entire industry of companies and gun smiths making money on S&W J frames. The reason; the trigger on a standard factory gun just sucks.
Much of the issue with J frame guns is within the coil spring based lock work. Companies make various kits to improve that platform.
S&W guy myself
newer colt cobra?
What about them?
@@GunSam have you compared one to these and your opinion
Use the SP101 much these days?
I actually traded it in about 3 years ago, but I made a deal with myself about a year ago that I will not sell or trade anything. Whatever you have seen me with this year I still have, and will still have in a year but hopefully more to come. I had two SP101's, 2.25" and 3.06". What I fool I was lol
@@GunSam Hahaha. I'm guessing you really liked the SP101.
I've handled both the SP101 and LCR at the store and I like them both. The SP obviously feels extremely stout, solid, well made. The 3" version probably would serve the .357mag better than any of the lighter models you have.
1/2 size targets bad choice , effects sight picture negatively
Wilson combat spring kit for jframe is amazing
I installed one on my S&W 360, but eventually removed it bc my trigger would not properly reset.
Looks like you want to take a file to the J frame front sight.
Not really worth it at the distance I shoot from with it. Longer range I can tilt the rear sight down and hit fine, however 158 gr rounds hit almost right so if I needed pinpoint accuracy for whatever reason i'd use 158.
@@GunSam I have a dozen or so different snubbies. I uses a label machine to put a label on each one which ammo shoots to POA.
Trigger goes back “farther.”
Sam, go here, buy the kit and have a gunsmith install it. while it's apart let the gunsmith polish the internals, www.tkcustom.com/products/s-w-j-frame-spring-kit-firing-pin .
this totally turned my S&W 637 into a shootable revolver. not much to do to the inside of an LCR. my gun store doesn't carry Taurus and won't order any.
Those would be pretty easy to do yourself, I have taken apart all those things before :) I don't know if I will or will not modify the J-frame as I kind of like simply carrying the LCR :)
LCR polymer ugly ... but I love’em
Detroit reload 😂😂😂